Request: Cadet Training rifle ID help.

[kangur]

Hello,

Can anyone tell me something about those training rifles:

http://www.specops.com.pl/images/forum_images/HJ1.JPG.JPG
http://www.specops.com.pl/images/forum_images/HJ2.JPG.JPG
http://www.specops.com.pl/images/forum_images/HJ3.JPG.JPG

They are made from wood, no moving parts, about 3/4 "real" size. They look similar to Hitler-Jugend rifle I once had....

Any ideas?

Thanks for help,

K.

[Hutz]

Converted Enfield? .303 to .22

[DeltaWhisky58]

It's not even remotely like any Enfield.

[Hollis]

Looks something like the one used by the Germans. Navy Arms had a bunch of repros of them about 13 years ago.

I would look there first.

[GeraldDuval]

the stock and buttplate look russian. Like a dummy M38 Nagant carbine

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7594/mn1ax2.jpg

It's probably a training rifle for soviet boyscouts, or whatever their youth group is called...

[kangur]

the rifles are in Poland, the are quite simple - no moving parts, the don't seem to copy any real gun.

I am betting on HJ cadet rifles.

K.

[GeraldDuval]

I know that it'd be cool if it was an HJ rifle because that'd fetch more money. But it's a post-war communist polish training rifle baised off of the M38 carbine. Look again at the similarities

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/459/image1he3.jpg

[Hutz]

It's not even remotely like any Enfield.

Good thing I'm not in the Army. :-)

[simple jumper]

HJ used a k98 in .22 cal. This is def not German, most likely what it's been compared to above.

[pascalywood]

i also first thought of the Enfield.

[Lerch]

From someone who's done drill with and fired the Lee Enfield...no.

My guess, as suggested above would be a Mosin Nagant replica for cadets.

[kangur]

hmmm... now taht you pointed out the differences, it does look like a simplifee Nagan model...

HJ also had similar ones - I will try to find a icture somewhere.

Thanks!

K.

[Freibier]

German training rifles looked like this:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3600/mauserrhsxo7.jpg
no similarities with the rifles posted above

[punchinout]

i think Gerald is the closest to the truth. straight bolt, the stock looks like a M38 or a M44, front and rear sights look like sights you'd find on the mosins, overall aesthetically they look very close.

[TacoDelRio]

I think it's a Polish Trainer, as basically stated before. I've seen them for sale before, even as firing/functioning rifles. Miniaturized M38 Karabin.

[East Scout]

Polish get my vote too..

[kangur]

thanks for help! :-)