Why is Trijicon ACOG so expensive?

[flex]

What exactly makes this sight so expensive? Yes, it does not require batteries, also has tritium reticle and looks spretty rugged, still, what is there worth almost 1000 dollars?

Many thanks for any input.

Flex

[schwarz]

You get what you pay for.

[flex]

You get what you pay for.
What exactly do I get?

[Laworkerbee]

A rugged, accurate scope that doesn't require batteries :)

[schwarz]

A rugged, accurate scope that doesn't require batteries :)

and remeber scopes are not cheap in the first place

[JoaMei]

Actually its not that expensive, for example a Schmidt and Bender Short Dot Scope costs $2250:

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/images/prodimages/SBSHORTDOT.jpg

You usually get what you pay for, the ACOG is a good and affordable choice.

[flex]

A rugged, accurate scope that doesn't require batteries :)
Is that all? Pretty disappointing, I must say.

[flex]

You usually get what you pay for, the ACOG is a good and affordable choice.You are free to think that but a scope priced as high as cheaper 2nd gen night vision monoculars is light years from affordable, IMHO.

[Niels]

Is that all? Pretty disappointing, I must say.
We of mp.net are sorry we could not convince and you regret your disappointment. We shall contact Trijicon first thing in the morning and let those wankers there know they've done a **** job at making a scope. Our apologies once again.



So, what makes a Mercedes expensive? It's just a moving chunk of metal with a dashboard, wheels and a motor. What else do I get for my money?

[Hunterhr]

Better let the Army and USMC know that they should switch to Tasco...

I mean do you seriously have any concept of what goes into producing a rugged, accurate optic?

[pascalywood]

dont be so rude Niels. 1400$ is very expensive for a scope i must say. maybe it is because it is rare? If more people would buy them maybe the price would drop a bit

[Sparky]

Its housing is made of aircraft aluminum alloy, its equiped with BAC so you can aim with both eyes open while having a magnified zoom, waterproof to 50 meters, has dry nitrogen in it to eliminate fogging, automatically adjusts the brightness level and contrast of the recticle to the light conditions, has multi coated lenses to provide better clearity and light gathering capabilities so there is zero distortion, does not need batteries, and comes with a lifetime warranty.

That doesnt come cheap.

[schwarz]

dont be so rude Niels. 1400$ is very expensive for a scope i must say. maybe it is because it is rare? If more people would buy them maybe the price would drop a bit

Yea I guess the Army and Marines dont give them enough business. Doesnt work like that.

[justagoodolboy]

I'm sure you could find a Chinese copy for like 600. You just have to be a smart shopper duh.

[flex]

We of mp.net are sorry we could not convince and you regret your disappointment. We shall contact Trijicon first thing in the morning and let those wankers there know they've done a **** job at making a scope. Our apologies once again.



So, what makes a Mercedes expensive? It's just a moving chunk of metal with a dashboard, wheels and a motor. What else do I get for my money?
I deeply regret that I am not stupid enough to fork out one grand for a stupid aluminium tube with a red dot pojector.

[LaoSexMachine]

I deeply regret that I am not stupid enough to fork out one grand for a stupid aluminium tube with a red dot pojector.

Have you used one?

[Niels]

I deeply regret that I am not stupid enough to fork out one grand for a stupid aluminium tube with a red dot pojector.
Nobody is telling you to buy the damn thing, is there?

If you think it's too expensive and not worth it, then don't buy it. It's that simple.

[LaoSexMachine]

Nobody is telling you to buy the damn thing, is there?

If you think it's too expensive and not worth it, then don't buy it. It's that simple.


and start a thread to bitch about the price.

[ShakesFIST]

You are free to think that but a scope priced as high as cheaper 2nd gen night vision monoculars is light years from affordable, IMHO.

I've seen them going from $700-1200. That seems pretty affordable to me and I don't make that much. What would you consider affordable for a pretty much top of the line rifle scope?

Why get a Harley when you can get a moped? Why get an Alienware when you can get a Palm for 1/10th the price? :roll:

[Macs.]

Nobody is telling you to buy the damn thing, is there?

If you think it's too expensive and not worth it, then don't buy it. It's that simple.

Exactly.

And if you only intend to use it on a Airsoft-Rifle its a waste anyway...

[Jsjoholm]

Is that all? Pretty disappointing, I must say.


I am curious as to what you thought would be included except for something thats accurate, will do the job, and will survive in some of the roughest field conditions that most of us have put them through, what more did you expect it to deliver?

[Aerosoul]

I am curious as to what you thought would be included except for something thats accurate, will do the job, and will survive in some of the roughest field conditions that most of us have put them through, what more did you expect it to deliver?

Auto-aim, enemy-homing device.

[schwarz]

Exactly.

And if you only intend to use it on a Airsoft-Rifle its a waste anyway...

rofl

I dont hear anyone bitching about Eotech redots going for 800+.

[Sloppy Joe2]

i dont know if we will be able to give you an explanation worthy to your standards. all i know is i bought my ACOG and dont regret it.

[Chops]

I deeply regret that I am not stupid enough to fork out one grand for a stupid aluminium tube with a red dot pojector.

I deeply regret you've chosen to post on our boards. Learn to spell and learn that maybe, just maybe, the ACOG is worth every cent...

And why would you buy a real deal ACOG for your airsoft anyway son? I'm sure there are plastic copies for your ball bearing shooters.

[JoaMei]

You are free to think that but a scope priced as high as cheaper 2nd gen night vision monoculars is light years from affordable, IMHO.

Maybe thats only a german point of view, but paying 1000$ for a Scope is nothing unusual.

Its the minimum Price for a decent scope, and it will work for your whole lifetime.

If you buy a cheap scope, you will need about three or four of them...

[Flagg]

Maybe thats only a german point of view, but paying 1000$ for a Scope is nothing unusual.

Its the minimum Price for a decent scope, and it will work for your whole lifetime.

If you buy a cheap scope, you will need about three or four of them...

Agreed....often, but not always...you only have to pay once for quality

[amazing kg3]

rofl

I dont hear anyone bitching about Eotech redots going for 800+.

their getting ripped. i can pick up a 552 for 600 canadian.

[goose36]

I deeply regret that I am not stupid enough to fork out one grand for a stupid aluminium tube with a red dot pojector.



" a closed mouth gathers no foot"

piss off and play with your toys!

[thomas93190728]

Auto-aim, enemy-homing device.

woot then would be better to play some first-person shooting computer games, set the aim mode to AUTO AIM. Much cheaper and comfortable.

I got a 4x32 ACOG with Doctor red dot sight. Expensive? Almost $1700. I never regreted to buy it. Only disappointed is I found this web site has a special offer now....
http://www.opticsplanet.net/trijicon-ta31doc-acog-4x32-bac-sight-red-dot-optic-ta51-mount.html :-(

[LKSXXX]

Their expensive because a lot of work and technology goes into making them, this goes for all high technology equipment, actually.
Dealing with "light" isn't as easy as dealing with mechanical stuff.
Try making such a device yourself. This should give you an answer why some things are such a rip off!p-)

LKS.

[ZoneOne]

What exactly makes this sight so expensive? Yes, it does not require batteries, also has tritium reticle and looks spretty rugged, still, what is there worth almost 1000 dollars?

Many thanks for any input.

Flex

You just don't have any idea of what a good optic is, that's the problem.
Not the price.

There are 35$ BSA Red-Dots out there for people like you.

[Thor]

A rugged, accurate scope that doesn't require batteries :)
It's a great thingie

However the battery argument is kind of flawed. The factory installed batteries in the Aimpoint lasts for 10 years - with daily use.

[Exer]

a 1000 dollars for a scope might be expensive for a "joyshooter" but when it comes to actually going to combat with it its probably worth its weight in gold.

[Freibier]

A rule of thumb from my neck of the woods:
A good scope+mount costs as much or more than the rifle you mount it to

[schwarz]

Yep thats usualy the case anywhere, especially if its meant for combat.

[flex]

Nobody is telling you to buy the damn thing, is there?

If you think it's too expensive and not worth it, then don't buy it. It's that simple.
This is exactly what I have done.. I have written was that it is rather disappointing, nothing more.

All that bitchin and bickering was started by you and similar individuals who think that anything that US military uses must automatically be the ass of the world everything else is turning around.

I think it is too expensive and not worth it and I don't buy it. Yes, it's that simple.. If you want to spill your rage about that, make my day..

[flex]

You just don't have any idea of what a good optic is, that's the problem.

There are 35$ BSA Red-Dots out there for people like you.

Ahh, let me guess, and you are the one that knows it so frickin well.. I wonder if you do better than use the most primitive criteria, the more expensive, the 'better'.

My suggestion would be the Hensoldt-Wetzlar Reflex thingie made for Heckler&Koch's G36. It hass full Mil-Spec for German military and also does not require batteries. Goes for less than 300 EUROs.
Or some kind of HoloSight..

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q35/flex297/Tragebgel013.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q35/flex297/Tragebgel015.jpg

[flex]

I am curious as to what you thought would be included except for something thats accurate, will do the job, and will survive in some of the roughest field conditions that most of us have put them through, what more did you expect it to deliver?
I for one don't think EOTechs are too expensive. They offer something much more innovative and still cost 60% less.

[Seraphim]

I for one don't think EOTechs are too expensive. They offer something much more innovative and still cost 60% less.

Your comparing a 1x reflex sight to a scope...

[szr]

You're comparing reflex sights to an ACOG? ACOG not innovative? Your head is in the clouds.

[JoaMei]

Ahh, let me guess, and you are the one that knows it so frickin well.. I wonder if you do better than use the most primitive criteria, the more expensive, the 'better'.

My suggestion would be the Hensoldt-Wetzlar Reflex thingie made for Heckler&Koch's G36. It hass full Mil-Spec for German military and also does not require batteries. Goes for less than 300 EUROs.
Or some kind of HoloSight..


Honestly, the G36 standard optics are not very good. They are better than Iron sights and are ok for conscripts.

The ACOG or EOTechs are much better.

You cant see this by looking at them but by looking through them.

[thomas93190728]

Your comparing a 1x reflex sight to a scope...

Even EO Tech also made a 1 x 4 magnifier to supplement the Holo sight currently. When 2 plus together, the price is almost the same as one ACOG.

[Chops]

This is exactly what I have done.. I have written was that it is rather disappointing, nothing more.

All that bitchin and bickering was started by you and similar individuals who think that anything that US military uses must automatically be the ass of the world everything else is turning around.

I think it is too expensive and not worth it and I don't buy it. Yes, it's that simple.. If you want to spill your rage about that, make my day..

I sincerely think you should run back to airsoft forum before you get your mouthy little ass banned

[flex]

I sincerely think you should run back to airsoft forum before you get your mouthy little ass banned
I hope you have issued infractions to the other guys, too..
Is this forum about that I don't have a right to be disappointed because it is US made?

[Freibier]

An Acog can take a beating, won't fog up, etc.
As you a referring to the G36 optics: They fog up, the reticle isn't always centered, the scope part consists of a tiny tube with plastic lenses, you often have visible dustlike particles in it, the reddot has a too small field of view, etc.
The only reason that it's fielded with the Bundeswehr is that it's dirt cheap when ordered in several hundred thousands. Oh and even the Bundeswehr reckond it's ****ty: All new G36 have an updated scope part with Pica rail on top and the awful reddot is replaced by a separat unit (Hensoldt RSA)

[digrar]

I think the threads initial question has been answered, even if the annoying little **** doesn't agree with the masses.

[Chops]

Here's knob jockey cooking his dinner. From the loadout thread in airsoft. FFS :fork:

[Hunterhr]

Tacticlol all the way.

[JVeld]

Quite simple really......you get what you paid for ! and in this case I think you get your moneys worth, I have an Acog with the JPoint piggy back ontop and a LaRue mount......and simply love it, is the best sight for me.
now if you wanna go cheapper get a Aimpoint or EOTech, those are pretty good too and at a fraction of the cost !
*just my two cents.

[oldsoak]

Its expensive because fat old gits like me fall on them, smash them against walls in OBUA/MOUT, fall into rivers and lakes, get stood out all night in the pouring rain without benefit of a hot brew etc - in short we abuse them to f**k and expect them to work. Dont do that to a replica.

[Hydro]

Its expensive because fat old gits like me fall on them, smash them against walls in OBUA/MOUT, fall into rivers and lakes, get stood out all night in the pouring rain without benefit of a hot brew etc - in short we abuse them to f**k and expect them to work. Dont do that to a replica.



You'll find out soon enough. ACOG's on the slate to replace SUSAT...The fancy pants fibre optic version too.

[oldsoak]

They've already got some for the blades plus others. Hope to get to play with one shortly.

[Hydro]

Indeedy, had a look at a couple in the summer. Very very nice little things they are.

[Beowulf]

...what a f-in toolbox.

hey Hydro, what's cracking?

[Paulinski]

I got a 31F. It almost cost as much as the AR that is mounted on it. The only thing I changed was to install Larue mount for it.

Would I get another ACOG sure I would they are great scopes.

[Hydro]

Word, Beo. Aeroplanes and Space Shuttles, that's whats up ^^^.

[Pook2]

I've found that the price of the ACOG is well worth it, considering its uses. Not only have I been able to hit targets extremely accurately out too 500 meters, but I've also found that the ACOG lends itself perfectly to rectal insertion. The only part you have to get around is the mount, but with a little practice, it'll fit.

[Jippo]

I'm thinking to put one on AK side mount. It's very sizey, so do you think it would cause problems and be painful?

On the other people do say that I'm an arse(I guess they mean from top to bottom). I think it'd make it easier to accept.


-jippo

[Sabre]

Word, Beo. Aeroplanes and Space Shuttles, that's whats up ^^^.

...and Paras...


...I'll get me coat...oh, I'm wearing it already...I'll just go...:|

[Hydro]

...and Paras...


...I'll get me coat...oh, I'm wearing it already...I'll just go...:|



Leave by the back door please, hands on reserve coat, one thousand, two thousand and all that, check coat...

[Sabre]

Leave by the back door please, hands on reserve coat, one thousand, two thousand and all that, check coat...

What coat?!?! AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

Pop out my reserve shell suit top...

...steer away, I look like a chuckle-brother!! :lol:






No? :|

[ZoneOne]

Ahh, let me guess, and you are the one that knows it so frickin well.. I wonder if you do better than use the most primitive criteria, the more expensive, the 'better'.

My suggestion would be the Hensoldt-Wetzlar Reflex thingie made for Heckler&Koch's G36. It hass full Mil-Spec for German military and also does not require batteries. Goes for less than 300 EUROs.
Or some kind of HoloSight..



The reason people are bitching at you is your post seems very immature and childish. Whether you agree with it or not, the Trijicon ACOG is a very well made, qaulity optic that people HAVE BET THEIR LIFE ON, and will continue to do so.


I use an EoTech. They are relatively low cost compared to other quality optics out there. I'm a big fan of them. But an Eotech is a lot different then the ACOG

You are missing the point when you compare a normal (non-magnified) red dot reflex optic to the ACOG, The ACOG is not a non-magnified reflex red dot. It's a magnified scope. It's like comparing an apple to an orange.

Do some research and then you might get a little idea of why it is the price it is.

We don't have any bias b/c of its country of origin, we have bias because a lot of people on this forum KNOW from FIRST hand experience that an ACOG is worth every cent and they are tired of trying to convince someone like you.

[ShakesFIST]

Hey Flex, I will build you a sight (just for you though) for $5. You need to supply the scotch tape, red marker, and a small pipe though. Also, if you don't already have a mount you need to supply the duct tape. I guarantee it will meet or exceed your standards.

[Paulinski]

Hey Flex, I will build you a sight (just for you though) for $5. You need to supply the scotch tape, red marker, and a small pipe though. Also, if you don't already have a mount you need to supply the duct tape. I guarantee it will meet or exceed your standards.


Don't forget about quick detach mount.

[ShakesFIST]

Don't forget about quick detach mount.

In order for me to electrical tape a razor blade to the scope it would cost another $5.

[schwarz]

Lock it...the clown is gone now.

[Seraphim]

Is this thread worthy enough to be archived in the invite section?

[Laworkerbee]

Is this thread worthy enough to be archived in the invite section?

Only for laughs

wait!

I'm not included in the invite section though Hellfish nominated me and DW said I was in....I just checked :|

[Seraphim]

Only for laughs

wait!

I'm not included in the invite section though Hellfish nominated me and DW said I was in....I just checked :|

Thats because you're not invited! *sticks out tongue*

[LKSXXX]

I read on the site they have the "Biadon Aiming concept", which allows you to aim with both eyes open.
I'm gonna sound stupid, I know it, but I'm gonna ask it anyway: You aim with both of your eyes, or, you still aim with only one and can leave the other one open?
I know it probably the former... it's just that I got really interested after you guys told me about this feature. Indeed, this device seems to be worth every penny you pay for it!

LKS.

This is what I'm asking:
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00279_sight_122_51lo.JPG

[Seraphim]

I never used an ACOG before but with reflex sights you look through the optic and look at your target, not at the dot/sight.

Close range = both eyes open
Long range = one eye

[ABNINF]

The ACOG is hard to use rapidly, up close IMO at least. I've seen people do it, it's just hard for me. That's why I like the new ACOG's with the Doc Optics on the back. Really good set-up for a rifle.

[Commander Shepard]

The ACOG is hard to use rapidly, up close IMO at least. I've seen people do it, it's just hard for me. That's why I like the new ACOG's with the Doc Optics on the back. Really good set-up for a rifle.

My TA31F is real easy to use up close, never had a problem with BAC.


LKSXXX, the picture you drew is all wrong. One eye looks through the scope and watches the bright red chevron (as found in my ACOG), while the other looks at your target normally, by looking past the scope. You then superimpose that bright red chevron your right eye sees over the target as seen by your left eye, and pull the trigger. Some people simply can't do this, their right eye gets focused on the magnified target image in the scope. You have to learn to ignore it, and instead only focus on the bright red reticle.

[oldsoak]

fair comment. We use a 4x SUSAT on our SA80's and I prefer the iron sights for anything close. I find I spend too much time trying to aquire the target with a magnifying sight, but then thats probably age related !

[Commander Shepard]

fair comment. We use a 4x SUSAT on our SA80's and I prefer the iron sights for anything close. I find I spend too much time trying to aquire the target with a magnifying sight, but then thats probably age related !

Unless your SUSAT has an illuminated reticle, you can't use it up close with the Bindon Aiming Concept (BAC). Thats the beauty of these fiber optic illuminated ACOGs, the early ones didn't have it (ie. TA01NSN and such).

Basically you're not acquiring the target with your scope at all, you just place that illuminated reticle over the image presented by your left eye, and fire away.