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Resurrection
03-01-2007, 03:08 AM
How would the agenda of your "dream party" look like? I'll start.


Crime/law enforcement
Prisons ought to be made self-supporting (bottom line here is that the taxpayers should not be made responsible to pay for the criminals). Labour camps could be considered, at least for the inmates serving life-time sentences. The psychiatric ward should be better integrated with the correctional system seeing as how these two go hand in hand. Capital punishment should be reintroduced for obvious cases of murder, rape and treason. Deport foreigners who commit serious offences and let them serve their sentence in their home country. More effort should be focused on care for the crime victims.

A considerable amount of resources should be allocated for law enforcement. No coddling of stone-throwing leftist extremists.

Military
Should be provided substantially increased funds, primarily focusing on restoring the Armed Forces to a strong (pre-budget cut levels), efficient and respected military. In a relatively small country with lots of open space and scattered urban areas, coupled with a highly fragile/sensitive infrastructure, it is necessary for the state's functionality that every citizen that can contribute contributes. The armed defence of national interests therefore motivates a strong military based on conscription. The establishment of a Nordic defence alliance should be prioritized. All genus (http://www.mil.se/article.php?id=12437) (Gender Force), HBT/LGBT (http://www.mil.se/article.php?id=15312), minority/multicultural (http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=13220) projects and similar politically correct nonsense should be scrapped with immediate effect and forbidden. The military's task is to defend our democracy, not practise it.

Economy
Scrap the alcohol and pharmaceutical monopoly, but maintain the current age limits. Abolish the wealth tax. The public sector shall be put on a diet, rendering substantial tax cuts possible.

School/education
More discipline is desperately needed, which will be accomplished by providing the teachers with as much authority as they need to uphold a safe and orderly learning environment. Students will start recieving report cards in the 3rd grade. Schools will be built upon a Christian foundation and lectures about Christianity (kristendomsundervisningen) shall be reintroduced. Teaching will be carried out from a national perspective and great importance will be attached to learning about Swedish history and culture.

Immigration
Drastically reduce immigration levels to an absolute minimum. Immigration will only be allowed if the person in question has in advance arranged a job and a place to live. Immigrants who refuse to assimilate and/or comply with Swedish laws will be deported together with their family, no questions asked. Citizenship can be revoked if necessary. Repatriation of refugees should be actively encouraged, financial incentives can come in handy.

Foreign policy
Should be aimed at strengthening our ties to other Western democracies, especially those within the Nordic region. No financial support to dictatorships and terrorist organizations. We should also contribute more to the fight against terrorism/Islamism.

Social issues
Abandon the concept of multiculturalism, I can take a vacation if I want to experience foreign cultures. Re-establish the state church to make it clear to all foreigners what the Swedish norm has been since 1527. Demolish and forbid the construction of all mosques and synagogues. No to gay marriage, no to gay adoption and no to insemination.

Kant
03-01-2007, 03:15 AM
Wow.
My dream party would be one who's sole agenda is keeping you from voting.

ShotOver
03-01-2007, 03:19 AM
I am with Kant on this one, wow. That is a strange outlook on a political party. Your Education and Immigration, along with Social Issues remain questionable to say the least.
From what viewpoint is this, your Swedish right?

schwarz
03-01-2007, 03:20 AM
How bout one that does what they say....oh wait I guess they wouldnt be a political party then:cantbeli:

alfigel
03-01-2007, 03:52 AM
Social issues
Abandon the concept of multiculturalism, I can take a vacation if I want to experience foreign cultures. Re-establish the state church to make it clear to all foreigners what the Swedish norm has been since 1527. Demolish and forbid the construction of all mosques and synagogues. No to gay marriage, no to gay adoption and no to insemination.

Wow. I could tell you a party that did exactly that...

Besides that, I fully agree with Kant.

Thor
03-01-2007, 04:00 AM
Too many commies here..


My party would be the Libertarian-Conservative Party.

Loki77
03-01-2007, 04:32 AM
...My dream party would be a Right-wing Democratic with strong ecological standards to preserve my country...

XIE
03-01-2007, 04:47 AM
United Peoples Party - Australia

Crime/law enforcement

Harsh but fair. Focused on the cause and rehabilitation rather than on action-reaction based punishments. Strict punishments on capital offenses such as rape and murder.

Fraud shall be dealt treated on a relative scale. I don't feel that that someone from a poor socio-economic background who is a repeat offender of petty theft should be imprisoned for years when a university educated businessman that defrauds the government of thousands of dollars should get a slap on the wrist.

Military

Conscription for all high school leavers and those going to university. 6 Months for basic and trade training then during university they have further training during holidays. In turn the government accepts a greater burden of the university tuition costs.

Change of Army doctrine to a more amphibious focused Army that can deploy a entire Battalion + force on 5 days notice anywhere within SE Asian/Pacific area by air/sea.

Economy

Worker favored. Rights of workers made more realistic that accept that it is a open labor market that allows for competition between individuals.

Focus on the Asian market with the primary focus towards China and Japan. Resources are protected and sustained for the long term benefit of the nation.

Taxation would remain relatively the same for the time being. Reduced taxation of lower income earners would begin.

School/education

Greater discipline at the cost of greater teacher respect for students. It is a two way range in my books. Teachers will be given far reduced costs to study at university to attract more teachers into the sector. All students will receive a base level of funding from the government. If you choose and have the ability to add to that privately at a school of like minded parents, feel free.

Socially, the notion of anti-establishment, anti-crony ism and a lack of trust for authority until proven worthy of that trust will be encouraged.

Immigration

I am all up for qualified and resourceful immigrants into my country. It was started as a penal colony, why not encourage people with some entrepreneurial spirit?

Refugees will be welcome with open arms, no if's or buts. If you want to make a go of life free from persecution, you are welcome here. Feel free to return home when the persecution will/has ceased.

Foreign policy

My 2 Policy: Strategic Partnership in Two 'spheres' with 2 Nations
Global partnership = USA (social/democratic similarities)
Regional Partnership = PR China (economic benefits)

Social issues

Do what you want to do. If it does not allow others to go about their daily life without interruption then stop or I will make what you are doing illegal. Apart from that, if it is not affecting others in the community ie, religious practice in private/within that community, then please continue. In fact I will encourage those to continue.

Calanen
03-01-2007, 04:51 AM
Crime/law enforcement
Prisons ought to be made self-supporting (bottom line here is that the taxpayers should not be made responsible to pay for the criminals).


Regrettably impossible. Inmates cost like 80,000 US per year to watchover in a maximum security prison. None of these people would have earned 80k in their lives probably before they went to prison (maybe the drug dealers)

You could perhaps introduce chain gangs and make the prisons bid on contracts for quarrying or similar. Even so, the best you can do is subsidise some of the cost. You have to give people some incentive to work however, and I think that 1 day reduction from your sentence for every day worked is a good one. If people refuse to work, there is not much you can do. They will also sabotage things if forced.



Labour camps could be considered, at least for the inmates serving life-time sentences.

No, better to have people not serving life sentences on labour camps generally. The lifers have nothing to lose and are particularly dangerous.


The psychiatric ward should be better integrated with the correctional system seeing as how these two go hand in hand.

Not sure what you are getting at here - however, people who literally do not know what they are doing, ie insane are not criminally responsible.


Capital punishment should be reintroduced for obvious cases of murder, rape and treason.

Agreed, but I would include child molestation as one of the reasons to execute. Those guys (and they are nearly always guys) never get any better and molest 100s if not 1000s while alive. Kill them. I would however make sure that the jury needs to recommend the death penalty, and that if the judge is minded to issue this sentence, that it goes to a civilian panel of 3 who also must agree that this person should be sentenced to death.


Deport foreigners who commit serious offences and let them serve their sentence in their home country. More effort should be focused on care for the crime victims.


Most foreigners are citizens. Care for crime victims would be welcome, as many people who are injured from crime have no one to sue and are severely affected by their injuries.


A considerable amount of resources should be allocated for law enforcement. No coddling of stone-throwing leftist extremists.


In Australia at least, the law enforcement apparatus has enough resources, they are just directed to political goals and revenue raising activities, such as traffic. The hard stuff (serious crime) only a token effort is made.



Military
Should be provided substantially increased funds, primarily focusing on restoring the Armed Forces to a strong (pre-budget cut levels), efficient and respected military.


Agreed here - one thing I would like to see happen is have the soldiers polled as to what equipment they would need and want. Soldiers just have to shut up and take it if things are not up to scratch, and we really should find out what they want. I remember seeing soldiers going to Afghanistan buying up big in a disposal store before they went. Its not like they have a lot of money.

I would also remove taxation for soldiers. If you serve your country in the armed forces, you should not be taxed. Our reserves are already not taxed.



The armed defence of national interests therefore motivates a strong military based on conscription.

We should have conscription here, although it would be politically unpopular. 1 year straight out of school would be OK. They should get rid of YR 12 and make school go up to YR11 (you can already do TAFE courses for the HSC in one year, just make them do that) and have the last year in the military. Boys and girls.


Economy
Scrap the alcohol and pharmaceutical monopoly, but maintain the current age limits. Abolish the wealth tax. The public sector shall be put on a diet, rendering substantial tax cuts possible.


Dont understand these ones, some of them. I would reduce the public sector. I would also make welfare only payable to those who physically cannot work. If you cannot get a job after 6 months, you must work for the Civilian Worker Corps, a newly created agency where the unemployed must work 5 days a week to receive their benefits. They will also be trained with a skill while they are there at no charge. If they refuse to work, no benefit.





School/education
More discipline is desperately needed, which will be accomplished by providing the teachers with as much authority as they need to uphold a safe and orderly learning environment.

Yes. At the moment schools are bedlam, because students cannot hit students so they know they can do whatever they like. I would make it a civil penalty offence (like a traffic fine) to disobey the lawful direction of a teacher. That means that the children would have to do what they are told otherwise there are sanctions, including eventually he punishment is that they go to a boot camp type school where reasonable force can be used to get the children to comply.


Students will start recieving report cards in the 3rd grade. Schools will be built upon a Christian foundation and lectures about Christianity (kristendomsundervisningen) shall be reintroduced.

Disagree with the above. Separation of church and state for me. But no muslim rubbish either. And the kids can do a Christmas play, no matter who is offended.

Children will also be provided with free meals if they wish at school. Where I went to school, children were often hungry. They cannot learn if they cannot think because of hunger. The measure will be paid for by a tax on luxury items, like champagne, caviar, wines above a certain price. If you want those things, then you help the poor children eat.


Teaching will be carried out from a national perspective and great importance will be attached to learning about Swedish history and culture.


Agreed, the same for Australia. And none of this revisionist crap about how bad white Australians are and are responsible for all of the evils in the world, even though we created one of the best and safest places to live.



Immigration
Drastically reduce immigration levels to an absolute minimum. Immigration will only be allowed if the person in question has in advance
arranged a job and a place to live.


That's cool if you have sufficient labour force. We do not. I would sign a treaty with certain countries permitting their citizens to move here if they wanted. Treaties trump all other laws. So, a treaty with Sweden, that anyone who was born in Sweden can move to Australia and live here if they wish...born in Sweden.




Immigrants who refuse to assimilate and/or comply with Swedish laws will be deported together with their family, no questions asked. Citizenship can be revoked if necessary. Repatriation of refugees should be actively encouraged, financial incentives can come in handy.



Refugees I do not mind especially, there are so few of them. There are international treaty obligations for refugees which Sweden and Australia are signatories too.

I would make coming to Australia like a job interview. You must speak English unless you are a refugee seeking asylum, and then you must learn English to a sufficient standard within 5 years and unless you have a learning disability, you are going back. The standard would not be that high, just conversational English.


Foreign policy
Should be aimed at strengthening our ties to other Western democracies, especially those within the Nordic region. No financial support to dictatorships and terrorist organizations. We should also contribute more to the fight against terrorism/Islamism.

Most important thing to realise is that the fight against terror is everyone's fight.


Social issues
Abandon the concept of multiculturalism, I can take a vacation if I want to experience foreign cultures.

Agreed. Multiculturalism just means that the national culture and identity which made the country of destination such a great place to go to, is devalued and considered the same or less important than some other culture. The ties that bind the country together are unravelled by post modernist drivel about everything is relative and your culture that beats women and bans singing and dancing is just as valid as ours which respects freedom....bullsh***t

Multiculturalis is just plain wrong. You can dance, sing, where turbans on your head as much as you want...just dont try to subvert the Australian culture and identity with whatever weird beliefs you have about Sharia law.

Snoshi
03-01-2007, 05:09 AM
Abandon the concept of multiculturalism, I can take a vacation if I want to experience foreign cultures. Re-establish the state church to make it clear to all foreigners what the Swedish norm has been since 1527. Demolish and forbid the construction of all mosques and synagogues. No to gay marriage, no to gay adoption and no to insemination.
Why? What about the Swedish Jews who lived in Sweden their hole life? Are you trying to creat a Saudi Arabia?

Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-01-2007, 05:09 AM
I'll write mine up in Word and post it. It's gonna be ****ing huge.

ShotOver
03-01-2007, 05:16 AM
I'll wrote mine up in Word and post it. It's gonna be ****ing huge.

Oh dear god.

*unsubscribes*

Resurrection
03-01-2007, 05:26 AM
A couple of interesting posts, keep them coming. I'll reply to them when I have some more time.


Why? What about the Swedish Jews who lived in Sweden their hole life? Are you trying to creat a Saudi Arabia?

For the same reason I want to ban mosques. It's nothing personal against the Jews, I'm just being consistent.

XIE
03-01-2007, 05:51 AM
HAHAHAHAHA! I love that one......


I'm just being consistent

Aussie Sapper
03-01-2007, 06:11 AM
My "dream" party would be with Liz Hurley, Raquel Welch, Sophia Lauren and Kim Basinger on a yacht moored off some lovely Pacific Island with copious amounts of booze.

Bugger politics!! :)

Aussie Sapper
03-01-2007, 06:13 AM
Wow.
My dream party would be one who's sole agenda is keeping you from voting.

Kant,,, mate,,, have you had a "tiff" with Charlton,,,how come the Tony Abbot avtar,, that guy is a drongo.

alfigel
03-01-2007, 06:35 AM
For the same reason I want to ban mosques. It's nothing personal against the Jews, I'm just being consistent.

If you want to be consistent, either demolish all churches, too, or drop out of all the international treaties that regulate freedom of religion. But demanding to demolish all religious sites of all religions but yours is Talibanesque, at best.

cx2115
03-01-2007, 07:56 AM
Crime/law enforcement
I'd like to see an increased focus on everyday crime (B & E, car theft, etc). At the moment it feels like the only thing which gets followed up is murder, rape, tax evasion and speeding - speaking of which, I'd definitely like to see a reduction in to focus on tax gathering *ahem* "road safety".

Military
The on-going modernisation seems to working reasonably well, but it's patchy - the kit complaints just keep coming, the consistency indicates a problem.

Economy
I'd like to a massive boost in the R&D and tech fields. I'd also like to see a boost in specialised manufacturing. We simply cannot compete with the low costs of 3rd countries when it comes to the un- and semi-skilled manufacturing, but there is definitely room for specialist work. Think Singapore, but with advantage of also having our own resources. There is also money to be made in IP only fields, such as IT.

At the moment, the public sector seems to be the area of choice for those who can't take heat in the real world. I'd like to see the entire public service moved onto AWA's and a significant reduction in the amount of bureaucracy and bureaucrats. Going in to deal with any government agency should not have to be the living nightmare that it currently is.


School/education
I don't agree that it's a discipline problem. I think the core issue is that most (as in, the majority) of teachers today are only teachers because they're to god-damned stupid for anything else. Since firing the lot is probably out of the question, I'd like to see a significant boost in the pay and conditions to attract new recruits, and then a gradual elimination of poor performers. Additionally, I'd to see government money paid to private schools become subject to a means test. It seems absurd to me that schools charging 5-figure fee's for attendance are getting government top ups to fund 'sporting facilities' when some public schools can't afford new text books.

At a higher-education level, the re-introduction of technical schools for both school-leavers (including those exiting at year 10, for whom these schools could replace 11 & 12) and current workers would be good.

I'm not keen on the idea of mandatory military service. I don't see it bringing much value to the Armed forces, but I see some big expenses.


Immigration
Skilled migrants in fields we can't produce our own workers in + genuine refugees.


Foreign policy
I'd like to see the FTA with the US reviewed - if it's not bringing in the benefits for Australia, can it. Iraq is a dead-loss, but Afghanistan is winnable, I'd like to our commitments reflect this. Our ongoing investment in ASEAN might also be due for review.


Social issues
Multi-culturalism can take a hike, but I'm more in favour of integration then assimilation. I'd like to see the current ghetto-isation in some of the major cities broken up, though I'm not entirely sure how that could be achieved.

I'd like to see paternal rights in the work-place and domestically get similar recognition as maternal; particularly when it comes to leave and child custody, respectively.

I'm pro-nuke; although one of the R&D topics I'd like to see get attention is fusion - a much better energy source if we can get it to work.


My $0.02 worth.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-01-2007, 08:25 AM
Ok here we go. It's not everything because I can't be assed.

System of government.


Head of state will still be the Monarch with increased legislative powers
Federal Parliment's powers to be reduced to foreign, trade, corporations, and military.
States powers to be increased
The population to be allowed to petition the Monarch to call a referendum on certain issues.Economy


Collective enterpise agreements for all companies with a workforce greater then 20. Wether a unionised workforce or not
Abolisment of ALL individual workers contracts
Certain key industries to be heavily regulated where nationalisation will not work.
Increased power of the Industrial Relations Commission.
Tax incentives and other government subsidies for componies that maintain a 100% Australian product.
Tax penalties for importors of goods where it has been identified that the product can be manufactured locally
Higher Corporations Tax however sales and payroll taxes to be abolished
Minimum wage to be indexed to inflation and set at a rate where family of 2 can be supported in government assisted programs
Unfair dismissal laws to be tightened.
Offer tax concessions and incentives for foreign companies to set up manufacturing business.
Through incentives and other government grants and concessions diversify the economy to be less reliant on the mining sector.
Science and the Environment


Coal industry to be taxed higher to pay for incentives and concessions to increase the research and development on more renewable energy sources.
Offer the population rebates on installing energy saving devices
Tax concessions to the population when they use public transport
Double the budget of the CSIRO and encourege business to be more involved in the CSIRO's research activities through the CRC schemeEducation and healthcare


Compulsory from the age of 4 to 18. No iffs not buts
Free university education
Continue the current 2 tier health system. As it does work.Defence/Foreign Relations


Defence to maintain the capability to defend the mainland from incursion and to maintain the ability to be able to wage war against 2 of our neigbours concurrently.
Compulsory military training for school children.
The creation of a single economy with the Pacific and New Zealand should be our priority.
Discussions with New Zealand and Papua New Guinea to be undertaken with the hope of eventual re-unification.
Friendly relations with Indonesia short of any formal agreement should be maintained.
More interest should be directed towards the Commonwealth rather then the US and APECMore to follow

Durandal
03-01-2007, 08:39 AM
Dream Political Party

• Lower taxes/Flat tax
• A whole let less spending
• No corporate ¢ocksuckers
• Never increase their income without having a way to p[ay for it
• Decrease our military budget
• Focus on education and science grants
• Reduction in the size of government
• Strict Constitutionalists/Supporters of Freedom (i.e Libertarians for the most part)
• Keep your nose out of my business
• Lock box for social security and pensions
• The removal of the EPA as a political group and replace with a permanent group that is not politically oriented (more like the CDC)

The rest should work itself out.

Oh, and Resurrection I think most people want to avoid what you seem to want...


...thankfully.

Rictor
03-01-2007, 09:31 AM
How would the agenda of your "dream party" look like? I'll start.

So you do exist! For years I doubted the existance of the fabled "Swedish right-winger", believing it to be a creature of myth and legend. Say, you wouldn't happen to know where I can get a unicorn or a leprechaun, do you?

My ideal party would be libertarian-nationalist, although those two ideas don't really compliment each other very well. But hey, I can dream.

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 04:38 PM
Oh dear god.

*unsubscribes*

LOOOOOOOL my thoughts exactly!

Oh and sign me up for your party Durandal

Maskirovka
03-01-2007, 06:00 PM
How would the agenda of your "dream party" look like? I'll start.


Ivé got just the party for you Resurrection!
Here you go http://www.nd.se/. (It´s the swedish neo-nazi party homepage, but they may be to "soft" for you)

And instead of calling it "Labour camps", why not call it for its real name; concentration camp. And why stop at destroying mosques and synagogues? Let´s just ban all other religion, burn its literature, jail (or deport) all non-christian and cut off all ties with non-christian countrys. Hey! If you put all the jews and muslims in jail they would end up in these "Labour camps", or concentrations camps, and they could earn some money to sweden. Not to mention the fact they get a proper schooling in christianity!

I agree we should strengthen our ties with the Western democracies. I just wonder if any western democracy would want to have anything to do with us if your dream party came to power...


(Sorry Fritz, your born in the wrong century and the wrong country. If you would have been born in Berlin 75 years ago you would have seen that dream come true. Now you wont ever do it, din jävla nazist...)

Durandal
03-01-2007, 06:10 PM
LOOOOOOOL my thoughts exactly!

Oh and sign me up for your party Durandal

Sweet, we only need 100 million more...

D-gin
03-01-2007, 06:13 PM
Sweet, we only need 100 million more...

As long as your party gets rid of the "death tax" I'm in.

BadKarma26
03-01-2007, 06:18 PM
Dream Political Party

• Lower taxes/Flat tax
• A whole let less spending
• No corporate ¢ocksuckers
• Never increase their income without having a way to p[ay for it
• Decrease our military budget
• Focus on education and science grants
• Reduction in the size of government
• Strict Constitutionalists/Supporters of Freedom (i.e Libertarians for the most part)
• Keep your nose out of my business
• Lock box for social security and pensions
• The removal of the EPA as a political group and replace with a permanent group that is not politically oriented (more like the CDC)

The rest should work itself out.

Oh, and Resurrection I think most people want to avoid what you seem to want...


...thankfully.

ill vote for you when you tell me about the secret armies the mormons have been creating underground

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 06:20 PM
And so it begins here are three already and you know Geezah is a shoe in.

The revolution begins woot

D-Gin it's been bugging me who is the girl in your avatar?

BadKarma26
03-01-2007, 06:22 PM
oh **** its Geezah thats the Mormon huh?

D-gin
03-01-2007, 06:25 PM
D-Gin it's been bugging me who is the girl in your avatar?

Her name is Fractal, Shes a Suicide Girl.

http://www.myspace.com/fractalsuicide

Hellfish
03-01-2007, 06:26 PM
Dream Political Party

• Lower taxes/Flat tax
• A whole let less spending
• No corporate ¢ocksuckers
• Never increase their income without having a way to p[ay for it
• Decrease our military budget
• Focus on education and science grants
• Reduction in the size of government
• Strict Constitutionalists/Supporters of Freedom (i.e Libertarians for the most part)
• Keep your nose out of my business
• Lock box for social security and pensions
• The removal of the EPA as a political group and replace with a permanent group that is not politically oriented (more like the CDC)



You'd have my vote and political contributions.

Durandal
03-01-2007, 06:34 PM
oh **** its Geezah thats the Mormon huh?

Yeah, I am agnostic...

But Geezah is my good friend and we get along fine. Which is what my party is all about.

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Her name is Fractal, Shes a Suicide Girl.

http://www.myspace.com/fractalsuicide

A spitting image of my best buddies wife....wierd

BadKarma26
03-01-2007, 06:35 PM
i dont like the reduced military budget part

D-gin
03-01-2007, 06:36 PM
A spitting image of my best buddies wife....wierd

Lucky guy.....;-)

D-gin
03-01-2007, 06:37 PM
i dont like the reduced military budget part

If they spend smarter they won't need as much......In a perfect world.

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 06:38 PM
Yeah, I am agnostic...

But Geezah is my good friend and we get along fine. Which is what my party is all about.

Yeah Geezah is good people even if he belongs to a wacky religion :)

Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-01-2007, 06:42 PM
Yeah Geezah is a top bloke. Even with his gun fetish.

Durandal
03-01-2007, 07:05 PM
i dont like the reduced military budget part

If you look at the interest we need to pay each year on past military spending associated debt, historical non-budgeted spending levels (such as most of the war in Iraq), budgeted military spending, and spending on programs such as Veterans affairs (an obligation in my mind), then, all told, in 2006, it accounted for around 51% of the total U.S. budget (including non0budgeted emergency spending)...

Which comes in around something crazy, like 1.2 trillion or something like that.

Sorry, it needs to be cut.

Anyone who thinks it shouldn't be is a loon.

That doesn't include the actual debt we eventually need to pay back associated with military spending.

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 07:10 PM
If I asked the government for $800 million to create the greatest middle school in the world that would serve our country for centuries to come I would be called insane

However if I asked the government for the same amount to purchase a single radar evading bomber I would be called a patriot.

BadKarma26
03-01-2007, 07:15 PM
well take the B-2s but please don't cut any expenditures for Infantrymen's equipment your highness!

; )

Laworkerbee
03-01-2007, 07:25 PM
well take the B-2s but please don't cut any expenditures for Infantrymen's equipment your highness!

; )

Soldiers, Sailors and Marines are THE cornerstone of our military, if anything I'd prefer to see more spent on them IN and OUT of the service than whizz-bang goodies.

Elmo
03-01-2007, 07:39 PM
How would the agenda of your "dream party"

Your party need not to be a dream. Go on and establish one on your particular platform. Can I suggest a name for it?

"Gay disliking xenophobes with misconception about Christ's teachings, who like the idea about labor camps...party of Sverige"

XIE
03-01-2007, 09:27 PM
I was more thinking he should model it on the greatest party of the previous century. Mein Kampf was used as this new Sweedish parties ideological framework.

Seiyuuki
03-02-2007, 01:27 AM
I'll keep it unrealistically simple, bring back the dead, in particular, Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt and the Bull Moose.

Resurrection
03-02-2007, 03:39 AM
Ivé got just the party for you Resurrection!
Here you go http://www.nd.se/. (It´s the swedish neo-nazi party homepage, but they may be to "soft" for you)

www.nsfront.info (http://www.nsfront.info)

ND wants segregation, I want assimilation.


And instead of calling it "Labour camps", why not call it for its real name; concentration camp.

Because there's a difference? They might as well do something useful while they're serving time.


And why stop at destroying mosques and synagogues? Let´s just ban all other religion, burn its literature, jail (or deport) all non-christian and cut off all ties with non-christian countrys. Hey! If you put all the jews and muslims in jail they would end up in these "Labour camps", or concentrations camps, and they could earn some money to sweden. Not to mention the fact they get a proper schooling in christianity!

Nu drar du det hela till sin spets. Tråkigt, måste påstå att jag hade förväntat mig mer. You're overreacting.


(Sorry Fritz, your born in the wrong century and the wrong country. If you would have been born in Berlin 75 years ago you would have seen that dream come true. Now you wont ever do it, din jävla nazist...)

I may be way too conservative for your taste, but come on, now you're openly calling me a Nazi. :| Pointless, as I don't sympathize with them, and I doubt they would've sympathized with my ideas.

Was it the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve?

Mastermind
03-02-2007, 03:42 PM
The All or nothing party: 1) Strong national defense : mandatory military training for all males...all fit males between ages 17 and 45 are elegible for recall and mandatory (every five years 5 week training). 2) Strict adherence to Constitution. 3) Only citizens reap benefits of Citizenship - right to vote is strictly protected and reserved for legal citizens only. 4) Personal responsibility is paramout...citizens who fail to provide for their family, retirement, education, healthcare are not picked up by the state. No free rides! 5) No Federal responsibility other than protection of the nation and protection of the national borders and standardizations of monetary system. Federal trust is not available for any support of private citizens in any guize including disaster relief...that's what charity and other citizens are for. 6) No federal laws establishing a protection or relief of any organizations...including religous establishments, industrial organization, manufacturing, medical and labor unions. 7) Tort claims are strictly limted to relief of damages...any and all punitive damages go directly to the state...no lawyers or plaintifs can benefit from punitive damages. And no class action suits...persons wronged must file individually. 8) Equal taxation...and absolutely no income taxes...all taxes are consumer and user based. 9) health care, transportation, construction, trading, banking, utility and all other industries are regulated by private liability corporations which are the only regulated organizations...with state assurance they are properly funded.

Just a start...MM

Durandal
03-02-2007, 04:07 PM
1) Strong national defense : mandatory military training for all males...

Not too sure how I like your party man...

The one thing I'll comment on is the mandatory military training.

100% of the male population serving in the military is a waste of resources. Not everyone is a good fighter/soldier, regardless of the task required of them serving in that military organization AND the economic impact of taking half a generation each year into the military is fairly significant.

That said, I would approve of a mandatory service program that was split into three categories: military, nation (non-military), international (non-military. For both males and females, regardless of religion, race, and and/or ******ity.

Resurrection
03-02-2007, 04:17 PM
That said, I would approve of a mandatory service program that was split into three categories: military, nation (non-military), international (non-military. For both males and females, regardless of religion, race, and and/or ******ity.

What would international service entail? Unarmed humanitarian operations?

Durandal
03-02-2007, 04:25 PM
What would international service entail?

Similar to a Peace Corps project where, rather than dumping money into regions just to be wasted or lost and never seen by the people trying to be helped, young people would be used as both a labor pool and an educational source for impoverished areas that are friendly and willing...and want the help.

It would be far cost effective and far more successful than throwing money at a problem.

It would provide people who chose this option an outside the borders experience. In your case, you could stay in your own border helping your neighbors or opting for the military experience since it seems you both distrust and dislike people not like you. :|

The national program would not be unlike the work programs of the 30s, providing the nation with a cheap source of labor and provide kids with a a valuable experience they would not get simply jumping into college and changing majors 3 times.

And the military...which would allow for a military not unlike what we have today, filled with people that WANT to be there as opposed to a crappy conscription force (no offense intended MM).

Resurrection
03-02-2007, 04:29 PM
In your case, you could stay in your own border helping your neighbors or opting for the military experience since it seems you both distrust and dislike people not like you. :|

Well that's quite a simple way of looking at things. Thanks for the explanation.

Durandal
03-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Well that's quite a simple way of looking at things.

You know what gets me about people "like you"?

You think we over simplify things or do not give your opinion a chance. You are like the politician who says "We need to give up some freedoms to be safer" or the corporate CEo that claims a merger "will offer more choices", when in reality they both mean "We will control you now more than ever."

You claim that you are simply "treating everything equally" when in reality you are creating a nationalist state of religious hate.

This IS your dream party, and WE can ALL see it for what it is, as much as you might THINK we are persecuting you, your path of thought leads to VERY bad things...things the resemble a Christian version of Iran.

Not a good thing at all.

Maskirovka
03-02-2007, 07:09 PM
www.nsfront.info (http://www.nsfront.info)

ND wants segregation, I want assimilation.



Because there's a difference? They might as well do something useful while they're serving time.



Nu drar du det hela till sin spets. Tråkigt, måste påstå att jag hade förväntat mig mer. You're overreacting.



I may be way too conservative for your taste, but come on, now you're openly calling me a Nazi. :| Pointless, as I don't sympathize with them, and I doubt they would've sympathized with my ideas.

Was it the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve?

You want an assimilation so that everyone is christian and "swedish". That´s excactly whats the neo-nazis wants. What should we do with all non-christians and non-swedes that comes to sweden? Should we force them to change religion, eat ham at x-mas and drink massive amounts of alcohol every weekend? Send them to jail and those "Labour camps", kill them or just kick them out of the country?

You do know that Sweden is one of the most atheist-ish countries in the world. Yeah, people say their christian but only a few of them are religious. What should we do with these 80(?) % of the swedish white, "christian" population? Send them to the labourcamps aswell?

You want to destroy the mosques and synagogues, and force the children/teenagers in school to be taught Christianity. You do know that this means that jews and muslims will be forbid to practice their religion in sweden and their kids will forcebly be converted to christianity. This means you want to turn Sweden into a fundamentalist religious state (even more so than Saudi Arabia) and remove all the jews and muslims from sweden, even tough the wast majority of swedes does´nt even practise christianity!


No, I and everyone else here sees you exactly as you are. A dumbarse, racist, neo-nazi, christian fundamentalist homophobe. Your thread here really made you show your true colours, and its not attractive.

(Not to mention the fact that your dream of sweden would make sweden a paria in the world. It would make Sweden into a 3rd world country a´la Zimbabwe where everyone would try to escape from and no one would invest a dime. Hopefully other countries would´nt have your wiew in immagration-policy and would harbour us swedes.
BTW: I assume you think it was a misstake of sweden to accept thousands of fleeing finns, norwegians and danes during WW2. After all, they (specially not the 10´000s of finnish children) did´nt have any jobs when they came to sweden. Or was it OK because they were white?
And why the hell would you care if a couple of gay people got married? It´s their ****ing lives, not yours...)

No, it was not the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve. It was an increadible idiotic thread by you that did it. But that´s a good thing with you people. Since yours ideas and suggestions are so stupid and mean the ruin of this country no one will ever take you serious and keep lauging in your face...

Firetxmi
03-02-2007, 10:55 PM
You want an assimilation so that everyone is christian and "swedish". That´s excactly whats the neo-nazis wants. What should we do with all non-christians and non-swedes that comes to sweden? Should we force them to change religion, eat ham at x-mas and drink massive amounts of alcohol every weekend? Send them to jail and those "Labour camps", kill them or just kick them out of the country?

You do know that Sweden is one of the most atheist-ish countries in the world. Yeah, people say their christian but only a few of them are religious. What should we do with these 80(?) % of the swedish white, "christian" population? Send them to the labourcamps aswell?

You want to destroy the mosques and synagogues, and force the children/teenagers in school to be taught Christianity. You do know that this means that jews and muslims will be forbid to practice their religion in sweden and their kids will forcebly be converted to christianity. This means you want to turn Sweden into a fundamentalist religious state (even more so than Saudi Arabia) and remove all the jews and muslims from sweden, even tough the wast majority of swedes does´nt even practise christianity!


No, I and everyone else here sees you exactly as you are. A dumbarse, racist, neo-nazi, christian fundamentalist homophobe. Your thread here really made you show your true colours, and its not attractive.

(Not to mention the fact that your dream of sweden would make sweden a paria in the world. It would make Sweden into a 3rd world country a´la Zimbabwe where everyone would try to escape from and no one would invest a dime. Hopefully other countries would´nt have your wiew in immagration-policy and would harbour us swedes.
BTW: I assume you think it was a misstake of sweden to accept thousands of fleeing finns, norwegians and danes during WW2. After all, they (specially not the 10´000s of finnish children) did´nt have any jobs when they came to sweden. Or was it OK because they were white?
And why the hell would you care if a couple of gay people got married? It´s their ****ing lives, not yours...)

No, it was not the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve. It was an increadible idiotic thread by you that did it. But that´s a good thing with you people. Since yours ideas and suggestions are so stupid and mean the ruin of this country no one will ever take you serious and keep lauging in your face...

Aaaa-men!

This thread has been very telling about Resurrection, hasn't it.

akd
03-02-2007, 11:21 PM
How would the agenda of your "dream party" look like? I'll start.


Crime/law enforcement
Prisons ought to be made self-supporting (bottom line here is that the taxpayers should not be made responsible to pay for the criminals). Labour camps could be considered, at least for the inmates serving life-time sentences. The psychiatric ward should be better integrated with the correctional system seeing as how these two go hand in hand. Capital punishment should be reintroduced for obvious cases of murder, rape and treason. Deport foreigners who commit serious offences and let them serve their sentence in their home country. More effort should be focused on care for the crime victims.

A considerable amount of resources should be allocated for law enforcement. No coddling of stone-throwing leftist extremists.

Military
Should be provided substantially increased funds, primarily focusing on restoring the Armed Forces to a strong (pre-budget cut levels), efficient and respected military. In a relatively small country with lots of open space and scattered urban areas, coupled with a highly fragile/sensitive infrastructure, it is necessary for the state's functionality that every citizen that can contribute contributes. The armed defence of national interests therefore motivates a strong military based on conscription. The establishment of a Nordic defence alliance should be prioritized. All genus (http://www.mil.se/article.php?id=12437) (Gender Force), HBT/LGBT (http://www.mil.se/article.php?id=15312), minority/multicultural (http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=13220) projects and similar politically correct nonsense should be scrapped with immediate effect and forbidden. The military's task is to defend our democracy, not practise it.

Economy
Scrap the alcohol and pharmaceutical monopoly, but maintain the current age limits. Abolish the wealth tax. The public sector shall be put on a diet, rendering substantial tax cuts possible.

School/education
More discipline is desperately needed, which will be accomplished by providing the teachers with as much authority as they need to uphold a safe and orderly learning environment. Students will start recieving report cards in the 3rd grade. Schools will be built upon a Christian foundation and lectures about Christianity (kristendomsundervisningen) shall be reintroduced. Teaching will be carried out from a national perspective and great importance will be attached to learning about Swedish history and culture.

Immigration
Drastically reduce immigration levels to an absolute minimum. Immigration will only be allowed if the person in question has in advance arranged a job and a place to live. Immigrants who refuse to assimilate and/or comply with Swedish laws will be deported together with their family, no questions asked. Citizenship can be revoked if necessary. Repatriation of refugees should be actively encouraged, financial incentives can come in handy.

Foreign policy
Should be aimed at strengthening our ties to other Western democracies, especially those within the Nordic region. No financial support to dictatorships and terrorist organizations. We should also contribute more to the fight against terrorism/Islamism.

Social issues
Abandon the concept of multiculturalism, I can take a vacation if I want to experience foreign cultures. Re-establish the state church to make it clear to all foreigners what the Swedish norm has been since 1527. Demolish and forbid the construction of all mosques and synagogues. No to gay marriage, no to gay adoption and no to insemination.

Zieg Heil!!!
Zieg Heil!!!
Zieg Heil!!!

Kant
03-03-2007, 12:21 AM
You want an assimilation so that everyone is christian and "swedish". That´s excactly whats the neo-nazis wants. What should we do with all non-christians and non-swedes that comes to sweden? Should we force them to change religion, eat ham at x-mas and drink massive amounts of alcohol every weekend? Send them to jail and those "Labour camps", kill them or just kick them out of the country?

You do know that Sweden is one of the most atheist-ish countries in the world. Yeah, people say their christian but only a few of them are religious. What should we do with these 80(?) % of the swedish white, "christian" population? Send them to the labourcamps aswell?

You want to destroy the mosques and synagogues, and force the children/teenagers in school to be taught Christianity. You do know that this means that jews and muslims will be forbid to practice their religion in sweden and their kids will forcebly be converted to christianity. This means you want to turn Sweden into a fundamentalist religious state (even more so than Saudi Arabia) and remove all the jews and muslims from sweden, even tough the wast majority of swedes does´nt even practise christianity!


No, I and everyone else here sees you exactly as you are. A dumbarse, racist, neo-nazi, christian fundamentalist homophobe. Your thread here really made you show your true colours, and its not attractive.

(Not to mention the fact that your dream of sweden would make sweden a paria in the world. It would make Sweden into a 3rd world country a´la Zimbabwe where everyone would try to escape from and no one would invest a dime. Hopefully other countries would´nt have your wiew in immagration-policy and would harbour us swedes.
BTW: I assume you think it was a misstake of sweden to accept thousands of fleeing finns, norwegians and danes during WW2. After all, they (specially not the 10´000s of finnish children) did´nt have any jobs when they came to sweden. Or was it OK because they were white?
And why the hell would you care if a couple of gay people got married? It´s their ****ing lives, not yours...)

No, it was not the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve. It was an increadible idiotic thread by you that did it. But that´s a good thing with you people. Since yours ideas and suggestions are so stupid and mean the ruin of this country no one will ever take you serious and keep lauging in your face...

x2 mate.
Give some people enough rope, and they'll hang themselves.

alfigel
03-03-2007, 03:54 AM
You want an assimilation so that everyone is christian and "swedish". That´s excactly whats the neo-nazis wants. What should we do with all non-christians and non-swedes that comes to sweden? Should we force them to change religion, eat ham at x-mas and drink massive amounts of alcohol every weekend? Send them to jail and those "Labour camps", kill them or just kick them out of the country?

You do know that Sweden is one of the most atheist-ish countries in the world. Yeah, people say their christian but only a few of them are religious. What should we do with these 80(?) % of the swedish white, "christian" population? Send them to the labourcamps aswell?

You want to destroy the mosques and synagogues, and force the children/teenagers in school to be taught Christianity. You do know that this means that jews and muslims will be forbid to practice their religion in sweden and their kids will forcebly be converted to christianity. This means you want to turn Sweden into a fundamentalist religious state (even more so than Saudi Arabia) and remove all the jews and muslims from sweden, even tough the wast majority of swedes does´nt even practise christianity!


No, I and everyone else here sees you exactly as you are. A dumbarse, racist, neo-nazi, christian fundamentalist homophobe. Your thread here really made you show your true colours, and its not attractive.

(Not to mention the fact that your dream of sweden would make sweden a paria in the world. It would make Sweden into a 3rd world country a´la Zimbabwe where everyone would try to escape from and no one would invest a dime. Hopefully other countries would´nt have your wiew in immagration-policy and would harbour us swedes.
BTW: I assume you think it was a misstake of sweden to accept thousands of fleeing finns, norwegians and danes during WW2. After all, they (specially not the 10´000s of finnish children) did´nt have any jobs when they came to sweden. Or was it OK because they were white?
And why the hell would you care if a couple of gay people got married? It´s their ****ing lives, not yours...)

No, it was not the "synogogue" part that hit a nerve. It was an increadible idiotic thread by you that did it. But that´s a good thing with you people. Since yours ideas and suggestions are so stupid and mean the ruin of this country no one will ever take you serious and keep lauging in your face...

x3. Thanks, that's the best and clearest abstract about Resurrection's ideology.

Lefty
03-03-2007, 04:37 AM
FERRARI CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!11111


....oh, wrong type of party...damn

Fredrik
03-03-2007, 07:24 AM
You want an assimilation so that everyone is christian and "swedish". That´s excactly whats the neo-nazis wants. What should we do with all non-christians and non-swedes that comes to sweden? Should we force them to change religion, eat ham at x-mas and drink massive amounts of alcohol every weekend? Send them to jail and those "Labour camps", kill them or just kick them out of the country?This might be nitpicking but: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Assimilation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation

Pvt.Anderson
03-03-2007, 07:47 AM
I think Resurrection's ideas are a little 1940s , though you should also see the negative aspects about multiculturalism like parallel society (turks in berlin) and non integration , abuse of social claims and so on . This non integration leads to tensions between the youth and so on you all know it

Group9
03-03-2007, 08:18 AM
My dream party would consists of the 51 per cent most conservative Democrats and the 51 per cent most liberal Republicans. Leaving the radicals on both sides to try and form their own party.

Loki77
03-03-2007, 09:11 AM
x3. Thanks, that's the best and clearest abstract about Resurrection's ideology.
Well, I think Resurrection doesn't have a real “ideology”...
...Resurrection reflects the frustration and anxieties of many young europeans(or swedes), about rapid demographic change, postindustrial economic malaise, and fear of competition for welfare benefits. Many young in Austria are like Resurrection. I was 16 years old, but i remember Joerg Haider's political campaign in Austria. Haider won disillusioned voters attracted to his populist demagogy.

Zarathustra
03-03-2007, 09:17 AM
Well, I think Resurrection don't have an real “ideology”...
...Resurrection reflects the frustration and anxieties among young europeans(or swedes), about rapid demographic change, postindustrial economic malaise, and fear of competition for welfare benefits. Many young in Austria are like Resurrection. I was 16 years old, but i remember Joerg Haider's political campaign in 2000 in Austria. Haider won disillusioned voters attracted to his populist demagogy.

So was Le Pen in France...

Calling ressurection a "neo-nazi" (over-used term from people that don't even know the meaning of the word anymore) is somewhat over the top though.

I like MasterMind party, and Durandal on some points.

DaGreatRV
03-03-2007, 01:59 PM
Crime/law enforcement

It should mainly be based around rehabilitating people back into society.
Making sure that people who can't rehabilitate stay in prison. (unlike current policy)


Military

Increase the budget to about 2% of GDP, lose the F-35, buy a european product(Gripen/Typhoon/Rafale).
The navy needs to be expanded, more frigates and one 'strategic projection vessel' (licence built from Spain)
Taking good care of our veterans.
Seperate operational expenses from the main defence budget. (this will prevent selling material to maintain operations)
Maintain volenteer military, everyone can serve in any position as long as they fullfill the requirements. (that means regardless of gender(identity), ****** preference, relgion, external features, etc..)
No gender segregation. Hairdress code will be the same.
Only differences in uniform between males and females will be accomodation for anatomical differences. (breasts, hips)


Economy

Utility companies(gas, electricity, water) should be state controlled. This is because private enterprises cut back on service and infrastructure, wich is not good.
The rail network needs to be state run, operators can be private. (damn you ProRail :fork:)
Combat poverty. Educate them, motivate them, get them a job. If they can't work society will care for them.
Universal healthcare, pretty much as it is now.


School/education

Because practicly all schools are public the education standards are the same I like that the way it is.
There are schools (elementry) wich are part of a religion. Because they are public they should remove the religous part and substitute it with general education about (major) religions. This is similar to middle/highschool currently.
Teachers should have a higher standard, that means better educated, paid and motivated.
Education standers can be upped by giving students less freedom and keeping them motivated. This will give them the satisfaction that their time was well spent and that they've actually learned something. (wich today is a letdown)
School books will be paid for by the gouvernment.


Immigration

If you are a member of the EU, or can provide skills, or you are a real refugee you are welcome.

Foreign policy

Closer EU coorperation. Doing less what the US tells us to do.

Social issues

Gender equality, no gender segregation.
Tabacco should be rated as soft drug, allong with Hemp based drugs. However it should be legalised, in short making less people smoke.
Marriage will be less bonding, renewing the contract after 4 years. No common bank account. No alemony. Divorcing will be easy.
Concenting adults can marry, there will be no limit to the amount of people you can marry. If you marry a person who is allready married, you will marry those persons aswell.
Adoption will not be limited to hetero****** couples.
Public nudity will be allowed p-), as is having *** publicly.

Roids
03-03-2007, 03:51 PM
Neolibertarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolibertarianism

I also believe death penalty should be reformed so we don't pay for people who deserve to be punished, whether or not if they are "sorry". As of now, death penalty isn't worth it if we have to pay more then if we just keep them alive.

Maskirovka
03-04-2007, 04:36 PM
I think Resurrection's ideas are a little 1940s , though you should also see the negative aspects about multiculturalism like parallel society (turks in berlin) and non integration , abuse of social claims and so on . This non integration leads to tensions between the youth and so on you all know it

"Multiculturalism" may be a silly word. I, myself preferr to use the word "swedish culture" when describing sweden. But multiculturalism is actually a correct word when describing swedish (and most of the other nation) cultur.
I only speak for Sweden now but this can most likely be used to most contries represented on this board.
What is "swedish culture"?. As long ago as the viking (and probably before that) our culture has been influenced and formed by people abroad. Whether it be the christian religion the vikings introduced, along with the germanic language and latin writing 1000 years ago. Or the german immigration to sweden during the 15th and 16th century, to the dutch immigration in the 17th century and the influence of the french court. These culture influences keep on going to the immigration of asian/african/south american immigration and the massive influence of mostly american popculture in the later half of the 20th century.

So what is the swedish culture? It´s offcourse a mix of different culture influences during the last +1000 years that have formed our culture. All those combined have made sweden to what it is today and our swedish culture is still being influenced by others, it´s only natural.

Even most of the most "swedish" customs are´nt certainly swedish. The midsummer-festivities can be traced back to germany, the vodkadrinking is from the east, swedish meatballs and potatoes, along with the coffe, is only just a couple of hundred years long. The celebration of St. Lucia is offcourse a heritage from the time we were catholics. I can´t really think of one single thing that is an truely unique swedish culture event.
So when does a custom become swedish? Potatoes with herring and a snaps or swedish meatballs are two of the things everyone in sweden considiring to be the most swedish as you get. But these things are only about 100 years old. The Lucia-celebrations we see today is not even about 80 years old. The pizza and chinese reastaurants is over 30 years old, when do they become a part of swedish culture?
How many years and how established does a new culture has to be before its considered to be "swedish culture"?

Every little village in sweden today has a pizzaplace and an asian restaurant. I consider that fact as be a part of the the swedish culture.

If you were growing up in sweden in the 70´s or 80´s it was kinda like growing up in east-germany. There were no fast-food restaurants (no hamburgers, no pizza, no kebab (gyro) no anything). The only thing you could get was a hot dog and french fries. And there were no cabel-TV, no free radio-channels (you had to listen to Radio Luxemburg or Radio America), offcourse not internet. Actually, the only thing you could do on a weekend was to eat your hotdog, go to the cinema (at least we got the same movies) and then go to the disco.
Personally I think its great today, only 20 years later, with all the asian, african, mexican, american and middleeast-restaurants and the pubs, bars etc wich I have in my smalltown in sweden thanks to the influence of foreign culture....

Firetxmi
03-04-2007, 05:39 PM
Give some people enough rope, and they'll hang themselves.

The best part was that he bought the rope himself (he started this thread).

As far a multiculturalism. If you look at Chicago you will see a city that has very distinct neighborhoods (Asian, Hispanic, Greek, etc) but they all come together in the end to get things accomplished. This is how I view multiculturalism- Everyone retains bits and pieces of their former homeland, yet comes together as Americans to get to the final goal.

Maskirovka
03-04-2007, 05:50 PM
The best part was that he bought the rope himself (he started this thread).

As far a multiculturalism. If you look at Chicago you will see a city that has very distinct neighborhoods (Asian, Hispanic, Greek, etc) but they all come together in the end to get things accomplished. This is how I view multiculturalism- Everyone retains bits and pieces of their former homeland, yet comes together as Americans to get to the final goal.

Speaking of multiculturism (yeah, I know its a silly word). Is´nt USA the fatherland of that word? I thougth USA was built on immigration, from all over europe, to southafrica, to the slaves from africa, to asia and the rest of the world. Not to forget the people living there before the europeans started invading the place.
I would imagine one country in the world being the most influenced and basicly started by multiculturism it would be USA. Since it lacks it "owns" history and culture (besides the natives) the whole country is founded on multiculturism. And it grew and became so strong it in later half of the 20´th century (and still today) exported it and now it dominates most of the world.

Even tough I don´t like the word ; "multicultur" it´s still the word that explains how our culture looks like....

Loki77
03-04-2007, 10:05 PM
So was Le Pen in France...

...The real neo-Nazi groups are very, very small. In voting for Le Pen, the French are simply demonstrating their anger against establishment parties.


I think anger and pessimism within large sections of the population with combination of high unemployment have the potential for bringing far-right parties to power in many European countries.

Pvt.Anderson
03-05-2007, 05:59 PM
...The real neo-Nazi groups are very, very small. In voting for Le Pen, the French are simply demonstrating their anger against establishment parties.


I think anger and pessimism within large sections of the population with combination of high unemployment have the potential for bringing far-right parties to power in many European countries.

very right unfortunately