AK 47 forward scope mount (?)

[sergey31]

I would like to know what some of you think or had experience in this area. In regards to aftermarket AK 47 scope mount. In particular scout type scope mount/setup. Traditional side rail is not of interest.

Scout Scopes http://www.scoutscopes.com/
http://161.58.206.244/store/graphics/00000004/ak1b.jpg
The main drawback is that iron sights can't be used if need be. I know what they say but I don't think its that fast of a transition as they state and you still need to use tools.

Or more popular UltiMAK http://ultimak.com/BuyAK.htm
http://ultimak.com/gallery/SH-1inst.jpg
With this one you can use iron sight if red dot is mounted on low profile ring(s).
Its more expensive and the drawback is that you can't really remove gas tube for proper cleaning.
I know that some say you don't have to remove the gas tube. I think that there will be a time where you will have to remove it sooner or later to properly clean it.

Millett use to make scout type mount but I think they discontinued.

[MEGR]

I have an Ultimak M1B on my WASR-10. I mounted an Eotech 551 on it which greatly improved the overall accuracy of the poorly sighted rifle. The Ultimak is a rock-solid mount that uses screws and U-brackets to form a tight fit. I tried a TDI mount, but it rattled and threw off my accuracy big time.

Overall, get an Ultimak if you plan on forward-mounting optics. TDI is a cheaper alternative (maybe more suited for a handguard replacement), but not nearly as good.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I would like to know what some of you think or had experience in this area. In regards to aftermarket AK 47 scope mount. In particular scout type scope mount/setup. Traditional side rail is not of interest.

Scout Scopes http://www.scoutscopes.com/
http://161.58.206.244/store/graphics/00000004/ak1b.jpg
The main drawback is that iron sights can't be used if need be. I know what they say but I don't think its that fast of a transition as they state and you still need to use tools.

Or more popular UltiMAK http://ultimak.com/BuyAK.htm
http://ultimak.com/gallery/SH-1inst.jpg
With this one you can use iron sight if red dot is mounted on low profile ring(s).
Its more expensive and the drawback is that you can't really remove gas tube for proper cleaning.
I know that some say you don't have to remove the gas tube. I think that there will be a time where you will have to remove it sooner or later to properly clean it.

Millett use to make scout type mount but I think they discontinued.


If you use the Ultimak scout mount, go with an Aimpoint, they are just as expensive as the Eotechs with the exception of the latest one.

On Ultimaks website, there are picture from the shooters view with the red dot placed on the front sight and above the front sight using an Aimpoint.

Hope this helps.

[SMGLee]

I ran a complete Ultimak setup with the toprail and short rail handguard.

The top rail for optics are a nice touch, Ultimak is only company make the rail low enough for you to actually co-witness an Aimpoint with the irons.

BUT..the drawback is the optic is resting on the gas tube since the rail is machine right into the gas tube. the heat build up could be bad on the electronics.. in theroy. I have not run into any trouble with my Aimpoint M3

If you are looking for a quality top rail for your AK. I highly recommend the Ultimak.

try blackjack buffer, he usually sales the Ultimak at a discount.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-001.jpg


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-003.jpg


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-028.jpg


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-014.jpg


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-008.jpg


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/AK-017.jpg
[img]

[KillerBD]

http://www.tdi-arms.com/store.php?pid=250
I always thought this was a nice rail system for the AK-47, AK-74, and AK-10X series.
http://www.tdi-arms.com/images/large.php?id=250&num=1
another web site: http://www.impactguns.com/store/CAA-X47.html

[sergey31]

Thanks for reply guys, I guess UltiMAK it is then.

I like Aimpoint but to me it looks a bit bulky, I'm thinking about reflex sight.
Maybe this one.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/opticsplanet_1940_290407283

Or this one if it can be mounted low enough.
http://www.gunaccessories.com/Trijicon/Reflex/reflextriji.jpg

But then again thanks SMGLee for that info, I would need some metal ring and plastic sight could melt sitting on top of a gas tube. Didn't even think of that.

[jcareaga]

If you use the Ultimak scout mount, go with an Aimpoint, they are just as expensive as the Eotechs with the exception of the latest one.

On Ultimaks website, there are picture from the shooters view with the red dot placed on the front sight and above the front sight using an Aimpoint.

Hope this helps.

not trying to make anyone mad and this IS my opinion.........but why the h3ll would you want a forward mount on an AK!

[sergey31]

Better low light shooting and over all more accurate shooting. Iron sight are good but red dot or reflex is better. Technology/times have changed.
Side mount requires 2 much work (drilling receiver/mount) and overall bulkier gun.

[equilibrium37]

is there any other scope mounts that allows u to install ur scope further backk ? its just my opinion but isnt it a bit too far forward ?

[SMGLee]

the weapon is a bit front heavy, but nothing to be of concern.

the forward mounting actaully opens up the field of view.

[SMGLee]

Thanks for reply guys, I guess UltiMAK it is then.

I like Aimpoint but to me it looks a bit bulky, I'm thinking about reflex sight.
Maybe this one.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/opticsplanet_1940_290407283

Or this one if it can be mounted low enough.
http://www.gunaccessories.com/Trijicon/Reflex/reflextriji.jpg

But then again thanks SMGLee for that info, I would need some metal ring and plastic sight could melt sitting on top of a gas tube. Didn't even think of that.

not a big fan of neither, but the Reflex is a better option, at least more battle proven and more durable.

anytime you have multiple reticle selector, it becomes a technology nightmare. those type of sight are for range use at best. because the inability for this type of sight to maintain parallex free.

Reflex is an older technology that just makes the sight a bit less desireable. you can find plenty of post on it.

I would suggest a low mount Pride-flower or a doctor sight mounted inside a LaRue iron dot. it will be compact, durable and lightweight.

[ZoneOne]

I've have limited use of an AK w/ a Fobus handguard. However, the company has branched off to form Command Arms Accessories.

The link below is just the upper half. It's all polymer but very durable.

http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=16&cID=44

[JJ_BPK]

is there any other scope mounts that allows u to install ur scope further back ? its just my opinion but isn't it a bit too far forward ?

Yes, but they present other problems,, The traditional AK mount off a side plate tends to put the scope very high over the top cover,, this allows you to open the cover for cleaning,, but also forces poor cheek-eye coordination.. If it's mounted lower,, you need to take the scope off for maintance..

The scout mount allows you to have both eyes open, one sees the red dot & target,, the other only the target. This allows a much quicker aim.

Just about all the eotech, Aimpoint, & Docter "dot" scopes are 1x,, zero magnification.. Which is fine for must combat ranges under 200 yds.

Over 200 yds is where 3x & 4x power scopes come in real handy.. BUT the AK family is not a sniper weapon,, with some exceptions..

Another dot that is very small but very high quality in the Docter series.. Talk about small,, I think they are under 1 oz,, about 1" x 1" x 1"..

http://www.opticsplanet.net/docter-red-dot-sight-third-gen-35-moa.html#

Here is a pic of an Aimpoint Comp series mounted on an AK,, You can see how it allows you to co-wittiness the iron sites..

http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/167571886/352/null/image.jpg

Here is a side view of my Romy G,, the frame on top is a AMD-65 kit,, in process..

http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/207618095/512/null/image.jpg

[sergey31]

I would suggest a low mount Pride-flower or a doctor sight mounted inside a LaRue iron dot. it will be compact, durable and lightweight.

Is this what you mean?
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=99

[Durandal]

http://img.clubphoto.com/jerboa/207618095/512/null/image.jpg

Nice SBR but come on, TAPCO?

[JJ_BPK]

Nice SBR but come on, TAPCO?

That's how it came to me,,
Looking to get one of the new UTG Quad Rails,,
Heard nothing but good about them..

[Jippo]

Yes, but they present other problems,, The traditional AK mount off a side plate tends to put the scope very high over the top cover,, this allows you to open the cover for cleaning,, but also forces poor cheek-eye coordination.. If it's mounted lower,, you need to take the scope off for maintance..



So what is the problem with taking the sight of for cleaning the gun? It'll keep zero when you put it back on.

When I had optics on an AK I simply attached the optics when ever I needed them, and kept them in my bag when they were not needed. Mounts are quick detach ones you know.



-jippo

[Kocur]

Hmm... Do Valmets or Galils produce any sighting problems? I mean both have rear sight on that receiver cover, being taken off and back on in every cleaning and yet that design was accepted for military (ab)use. I dont think Finnish army would accept a design, that would make their primary rifle inaccurate by nature. So I would think, that it is possible to design that cover rigid enough and with mounting of it repeatable enough to have sights, iron or optical, in their "natural" position, i.e. closer to the eye? That is naturally largely irrelevant for the question of mounting optics on commercial, 'standard design' AKs.

[Jippo]

There are no problems with iron sights, but mounting optics on the top cover doesn't work.

Optics weigh much more (ten times or more) than iron sights, and the weight will shift POI in recoil. It has been tried and it didn't work. IMHO the side mount is still the best alternative for mounting optics on an AK.

-jippo

[JJ_BPK]

So what is the problem with taking the sight of for cleaning the gun? It'll keep zero when you put it back on.
-jippo

Won't argue with you,, about where to mount,, It's a matter of personal choice..

As to the original 1st post:
I would like to know what some of you think or had experience in this area. In regards to aftermarket AK 47 scope mount. In particular scout type scope mount/setup. Traditional side rail is not of interest.

I think a non-magnifying 1x imaging unit (not a scope),, improves target acquisition, both time to acquire/fire and peripheral vision. And it need not be mounted where traditional scopes have been.

I like the balance of my AK with an Aimpoint on the scout rail. The aluminum gas tube rail wrights about the same as a normal steele tube. The Aimpoint weights about 6 oz. I have heard from several people that sustained rapid fire (20 mags in one afternoon shot) does not alter POA nor damage the sights using the scout rail.

If I felt I needed a magnified sight for an AK, I would look at using one of the Beryl sight rails. But Beryl parts and the US look-a-likes, are rare and expensive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Polish/NewBeryl4.jpg

[yiorgo]

if your looking at red dots...I would say you have 3 good choices and small too.....a zeiss red dot....DOC optics.....and Aimpoint is making a very small red dot not maybe smglee has a pic from shot show he can post

[SMGLee]

If I felt I needed a magnified sight for an AK, I would look at using one of the Beryl sight rails. But Beryl parts and the US look-a-likes, are rare and expensive.

Krebs custom makes a similiar version.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss2007/huge/Vltor009.jpg

[JJ_BPK]

Krebs custom makes a similar version.

You Sir have too many toys..

I suggest you send them to me, before Nancy P and her Gestapo pay you a visit.. You witnessed what they did to that poor man with a couple extra battle pack in his garage??

WE of the Conch Republic do not have Kalifornicate's disdain for Weapons of Mass Collection..

JJ

[KillerBD]

is there any other scope mounts that allows u to install ur scope further backk ? its just my opinion but isnt it a bit too far forward ?

I had 2 links you could have followed in a previous post, but here one is again.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/CAA-X47.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/caa/caa_x47_2.jpg