Taiban Elites traning camp

[gulogulo]

Taliban traning camp, 2001:

http://www.*******.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=19201

rofl rofl rofl :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :fork: :fork: :fork:

[MoFo]

Thats right, raise your legs higher when your in a line. Cause' your going to be dancing your arses off dodging them 30mm A10 rounds.

[Col. Psycho]

i have to lol at thier "training" habits. and the way they prance around. xD and the manor in which that first guy goes ****e, as if he's performing some oriental bloody dance.

[John_J]

Very interesting.....but it doesnt show too much of their training habits..

[Zerodivider]

Why is this funny? Interesting yes, but funny...? I have done stranger exercises during my military time...

[Eggy]

Too bad them suicidebombers don't train as they "fight".

[JDZ]

Those guys are doing real hard stuff! By the way I think I know them from somewhere…
http://www.herner-netz.de/Zwerge-121104/7Zwerge-4.jpg

[Hutz]

I'm sure that hand to hand training will come in real useful when they get the business end of the bushmaster. Enjoy the virgins.

[gulogulo]

Why is this funny? Interesting yes, but funny...? I have done stranger exercises during my military time...

I hope they wasn't as ill performed as the excersices they did in the start of the video... Looked really stupid, and funny...

[gulogulo]

I'm sure that hand to hand training will come in real useful when they get the business end of the bushmaster. Enjoy the virgins.

Right on...woot

[PaulClift]

Them all prancing around in circle reminds me of monty python for some reason.

[Groove]

I bet guys who fought against them dont think they training is funny.

But hey, being an internet delta force member its easy to lol about them.

Hahaha, look at this retards ;)

[lightfire]

dangerous bearded clouns from Taliban circus...

[gulogulo]

This traningcamps isn't what make taliban dangerous, it's their retarded religios believe/commitment...:roll:

[Ubar]

I'm glad you can make such intelligent and well informed comments gulogulo.....

[gulogulo]

I'm glad you can make such intelligent and well informed comments gulogulo.....

You mean me..?? I didn't mean muslims in general, but taliban which read the koran in their own retarded way.. I have quit a few muslim friends... Including afghans...:roll:

[freedom_of_speech]

This stuff is terrorist propaganda!
I wonder why the administrator doesn't take action

[freedom_of_speech]

You mean me..?? I didn't mean muslims in general, but taliban which read the koran in their own retarded way.. I have quit a few muslim friends... Including afghans...:roll:

Yeah, call the Taliban retards and the innocent civilians they killed must be a bunch of fools! What a stupid logic, you retard!

[kawaiku]

This stuff is terrorist propaganda!
I wonder why the administrator doesn't take action
Well, there is no annoying music. Their training seems rather week(my soccer/football training is helluv intense compared to that!). And they are not shooting at Coalition forces. Seems rather basic cannon fodder to me, but what the hell do I know:|

Are you being sarcastic??

[kosse]

Wow. You sure make a lot of conclusions about their training based on a 2min vid. I doubt that stupid looking hopping around is any different from many armies for example as a warm-up. At least in my country finding the most retarded way of doing it seemed more like a rule than an exception.

As for not going ****e in hollywood style..would you if you were training on that kind of rocky ground. The scary thing is that they actually shoot controlled single shots unlike most monkeys in vids like this that cry for allah while shooting full auto their rifle stock up their ass.

[digrar]

This stuff is terrorist propaganda!
I wonder why the administrator doesn't take action

Whinging about it in the thread isn't going to achieve anything, use the post report button, it looks like this http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/report.gif.

:bash:

[playtym]

I’ve seen training just like that going on here is South Africa as well. I'm not making accusations against them, as I have no concrete proof, but there's a shooting range here that was started up by a bunch of rich Muslim business owners. These guys have built ranges, shooting houses, obstacle courses, the whole nine yards. You often see groups of Muslims there receiving training.

I’m not saying they’re Al Qaeda or anything, but they’re definitely not your run of the mill civilian shooting range. They could just be doing the same sort of training that the militias in the US do, or it could be more sinister. South Africa has been identified as a potential location for harbouring AQ terrorists. The South African Muslim organisation PAGAD has been put on the US’s terrorist watch list, and the US recently made accusations against a South African dentist and his brother, claiming that they were supporting AQ.

This range has just won a contract to host the new SAPS Street Survival Course that’s being introduced. So the South African government is indirectly, and hopefully, inadvertently, funding what could very well be a ‘training camp.’

As I said, I have no proof against these guys, nor am I making any accusations against them, I’m just relaying to the members of this forum what I’ve observed going on here.

[Nano]

The video is actually showing improvement in their basic training over previously released videos. Al Qaeda fighters are quite capable when they have gone through all their training. Chechens are probably the best example of Al Qaeda's ability to produce a complete grunt. Spring is going to be very telling as to how much Taliban/Al Qaeda's training programs and recruitment have progressed. The video is misleading at best and I would not underestimate my enemy one bit even if they seem to act like clowns on videos they released.

[Nano]

I’ve seen training just like that going on here is South Africa as well. I'm not making accusations against them, as I have no concrete proof, but there's a shooting range here that was started up by a bunch of rich Muslim business owners. These guys have built ranges, shooting houses, obstacle courses, the whole nine yards. You often see groups of Muslims there receiving training.

I’m not saying they’re Al Qaeda or anything, but they’re definitely not your run of the mill civilian shooting range. They could just be doing the same sort of training that the militias in the US do, or it could be more sinister. South Africa has been identified as a potential location for harbouring AQ terrorists. The South African Muslim organisation PAGAD has been put on the US’s terrorist watch list, and the US recently made accusations against a South African dentist and his brother, claiming that they were supporting AQ.

This range has just won a contract to host the new SAPS Street Survival Course that’s being introduced. So the South African government is indirectly, and hopefully, inadvertently, funding what could very well be a ‘training camp.’

As I said, I have no proof against these guys, nor am I making any accusations against them, I’m just relaying to the members of this forum what I’ve observed going on here.

It probably serves as dual use. It is quite a common way to hide a facility's other use by having it serve a community function. I am sure given that the U.S. placed some South African organizations on their watch list they are already if not will be soon aware of this facility and check out its legitimacy. Thanks for the info and stay safe.

[playtym]

It probably serves as dual use. It is quite a common way to hide a facility's other use by having it serve a community function. I am sure given that the U.S. placed some South African organizations on their watch list they are already if not will be soon aware of this facility and check out its legitimacy. Thanks for the info and stay safe.

It sounds as if they're already operating here. There's a big palaver going about a Pakistani national that was snatched in the dead of night in Escourt with the co-operation a specially trained SAPS unit and apparently loaded onto a US aircraft at Waterkloof airforce base.

The SA government is saying he was deported back to Pakistan, but his family recon he never pitched up on that end.

They've got a human rights lawyer taking the government to court over the whole deal.

I suspect he may have become a resident of Guantanamo Bay.

[freedom_of_speech]

Whinging about it in the thread isn't going to achieve anything, use the post report button, it looks like this http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/report.gif.

:bash:

John Kimble: Stop whining! You kids are soft. You lack discipline

[Deftoner]

John Kimble: Stop whining! You kids are soft. You lack discipline

Bye Bye........:roll:

[Groove]

The scary thing is that they actually shoot controlled single shots unlike most monkeys in vids like this that cry for allah while shooting full auto their rifle stock up their ass

x2

but for the armchair delta force members they are just cannon fodder ^^

[JDZ]

The scary thing is that they actually shoot controlled single shots unlike most monkeys in vids like this that cry for allah while shooting full auto their rifle stock up their ass.


x2

but for the armchair delta force members they are just cannon fodder ^^
Bro’ you don’t think the stuff they’re doing is not ridiculous? Well they are firing single shots, wow! So they must be the real delta force! But presenting their marksmanship one guy nearly falls while dropping a knee and there’s a lot of other funny stuff, too. Actually nobody said they can’t fight or their training in general is bad. This video is just a poor propaganda effort which is ridiculous because of their silly performance.
But we are lucky that there are always real Deltas on the watch who remind us that we shouldn’t laugh about that, because those homevideo Taliban are single-shot firing expert marksmen.

[Zerstoerer]

lol.

these guys are elite indeed. they wear sneakers instead of flip-flops.

[Hutz]

Bro’ you don’t think the stuff they’re doing is not ridiculous? Well they are firing single shots, wow! So they must be the real delta force! But presenting their marksmanship one guy nearly falls while dropping a knee and there’s a lot of other funny stuff, too. Actually nobody said they can’t fight or their training in general is bad. This video is just a poor propaganda effort which is ridiculous because of their silly performance.
But we are lucky that there are always real Deltas on the watch who remind us that we shouldn’t laugh about that, because those homevideo Taliban are single-shot firing expert marksmen.

Well put.

Armchair delta out!

[kosse]

Bro’ you don’t think the stuff they’re doing is not ridiculous?
No. Firearms and terrorists are hardly "ridiculous". Running around in circles and shooting is no different from any standing army.


Well they are firing single shots, wow! So they must be the real delta force! Nobody has said they are delta. I just pointed out the fact that they are not as awful as in most of the similar videos.


But presenting their marksmanship one guy nearly falls while dropping a knee and there’s a lot of other funny stuff, too. Many guys fall over in army exercises and a lot of funny stuff happens all the time.


Actually nobody said they can’t fight or their training in general is bad. Umm..and point being?


This video is just a poor propaganda effort which is ridiculous because of their silly performance.
Silly or not, I rather not be in the receiving end of that "ridiculous" enemy.


But we are lucky that there are always real Deltas on the watch who remind us that we shouldn’t laugh about that, because those homevideo Taliban are single-shot firing expert marksmen.
What's with the hostility?

[CPLHUNTER]

Taliban dance academy...did anyone else notice the figure that runs behind the large boulder about 1.12 minutes into the film?

[JDZ]

Wasn’t against you! It was just that everybody thinking this is funny was called “armchair delta”.
As you said we also did strange warming up before hand-to-hand-combat or sport but we didn’t film it. If you had seen it you would also laugh your ass off. You also said that funny stuff happens in every army all the time. But why aren’t the Talibs here funny then?
I personally think you can laugh about terrorist issues. I also laugh about diseases, accidents etc. so why not terrorists?

It’s only so ridiculous because they try to show off but actually only do stuff you normally don’t want other people to see it. As another example: I personaly don't want to meet an Iraqi insurgent in some dark corner but I also laugh about them when they're hit by their buddy's RPG and tape that on on video.

[Lt. James Anderson]

Video or no video, they know what they are doing.
Anyone who was exchanging bullets with them can confirm that. Let's just say it ain't fun.

One thing that suprises me to this they is how good they are with mortars. No GPS or other hightech BS ... putting rounds on target in a minute.

[Guggenmauer]

Them all prancing around in circle reminds me of monty python for some reason.


"Run awaay!"

[constantinople]

when ever i see "click click's" running they are always throwing their knees up high. it kinda reminds me of this.....
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MG/189693~The-Wizard-of-Oz-Posters.jpg

its also kinda funny, this picture also relates to them is another way,
the "click click's" lack hearts, brains, and courage.

[Sebastian]

Video or no video, they know what they are doing.
Anyone who was exchanging bullets with them can confirm that. Let's just say it ain't fun.

One thing that suprises me to this they is how good they are with mortars. No GPS or other hightech BS ... putting rounds on target in a minute.

I would agree some of the Canucks coming back said there solid fighters. As much as you think those drills may be stupid, they might just be starting off. The fact that they have knowledge in general tactiques and aiming with controlled shots is scary enough, seeing videos of insurgents usually involves a PKM firing at the waist hitting jack ****.

[BCE_CYKU]

would be nice to know where that is, and send some GRADs there or something similar

[Francois]

Them all prancing around in circle reminds me of monty python for some reason.

Exactly my thoughts.rofl moving like John Cleese in the "banana sketch".

[Pete031]

I was waiting for Stewie Griffen to jump in. Would have been nice to see a JDAM hit right in the middle of it all, but Oh well.

[tuffaznalz]

...did anyone else notice the figure that runs behind the large boulder about 1.12 minutes into the film?
he heard the Cobras' rolling in

[freedom_of_speech]

Bye Bye........:roll:

freedom of speech banned suspended! How sarcastic

[Deftoner]

freedom of speech banned suspended! How sarcastic

There is no "freedom of speech" here mate ;)



PS...I didn't suspend you....im not a mod.

[digrar]

freedom of speech banned suspended! How sarcastic

You would do well to pull your head in.

[gustavski]

taliban... known for their toughness.. even u.s let n.alliance handle those guys... sure u.s dont want to end up like russian did previously..

[Pete031]

taliban... known for their toughness.. even u.s let n.alliance handle those guys... sure u.s dont want to end up like russian did previously..

????? We are fighting them everyday over there. Most of the ACM's are either Taliban or Former Taliban. Yes they are tough, but that doesn't matter.

[Sabre]

when ever i see "click click's" running they are always throwing their knees up high. it kinda reminds me of this.....
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MG/189693%7EThe-Wizard-of-Oz-Posters.jpg

its also kinda funny, this picture also relates to them is another way,
the "click click's" lack hearts, brains, and courage.

And you can say that having resisted their attacks whilst cut off in a platoon house, or meeting them at bayonet point in their trench systems in Helmand, can you?

These guys have plenty of courage and heart and indeed brains. Unfortunately, their actions are directed by a strong belief in their cause and by an unrelenting desire to kill us ungodly westerners and our Afghan allies.

Go back to watching Team America, I'll wake you up once we've killed the lot of them. :roll:

[Sypher209]

freedom of speech banned suspended! How sarcastic

I would seriously shut my mouth if I were you numpty..

[constantinople]

And you can say that having resisted their attacks whilst cut off in a platoon house, or meeting them at bayonet point in their trench systems in Helmand, can you?

These guys have plenty of courage and heart and indeed brains. Unfortunately, their actions are directed by a strong belief in their cause and by an unrelenting desire to kill us ungodly westerners and our Afghan allies.

Go back to watching Team America, I'll wake you up once we've killed the lot of them. :roll:

hey man, you know they make douches to get the sand out of your pussy. if you dont have the money to buy one just ask.

[thunderbird84]

I would rather see this video as a "message" than focusing on its content, if you look close at it, you notice that they are still quite numereous, still well-armed and well-regrouped and they even allow themselves to train in the day while allied aircrafts fly like crazy to spot their positions.
Understimating them would be a dangereous thing and I'm sure allied troops on the terrain wouldn't laugh at such videos.


regards,
TB

[LRPV]

Over the last 2 years of watching such video I have noted more of the use of aimed shots. I can recall much earlier videos of insurgents firing on full auto from the instinctive. The training might not be to standards many of us are familiar with, but it does seem to be improving. That to me is the most noteworthy element.

[el_kab0ng]

Kinda reminds me of this chap..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfhvfHBGos

[Mountain Man]

No, they didn't carry around the snappy music like he did.

Did anyone notice they mystery guy running between the rocks at about 1:09?

[Lt. James Anderson]

No, they didn't carry around the snappy music like he did.

Did anyone notice they mystery guy running between the rocks at about 1:09?

What about him?
There's two guys .

[Sabre]

hey man, you know they make douches to get the sand out of your pussy. if you dont have the money to buy one just ask.

Cheers mate, do they make them for that really fine afghan sand? That shyte gets everywhere.

[constantinople]

Cheers mate, do they make them for that really fine afghan sand? That shyte gets everywhere.
yes they do. since you "asked", it probably in the female hygiene section of your local store.

[VanLeeuwen]

Calling Sabre a pussy is easy, admitting he's right isn't isn't it??
Call him a pussy, but at least he does not underestimate our enemy..

Call the Taliban, fools or couregeous or whatever, that doesn't change the fact that they are motivated fighters.. motivation pushes them to the edge and that is what makes them so dangerous..
And yes they are motivated by wrong ideas, but that doesn't make them any less lethal.. to my regret

[Mountain Man]

What about him?
There's two guys .

Nothing, I just noticed it and thought it was funny.

[playtym]

Here are scans I made of an interesting article that appeared in the Sunday Tribune yesterday (25/03/2007).
My apologies for the poor quality of the scans.

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The following article was published in the Sunday Argus yesterday.


State aware of 'terror-linked' training camps
March 25 2007 at 11:47AM
By Chiara Carter

South African and foreign intelligence agencies have been monitoring an alleged training camp linked to Muslim fundamentalists in the Eastern Cape and have information about several other such activities in other provinces.

According to one intelligence source, however, the Greenbushes camp near Port Elizabeth that they had been watching was no longer operational - for the time being, at least - possibly because of botched surveillance.

This has come to light after top intelligence official Barry Gilder was last week reported as saying South Africa was keeping an eye on visitors suspected of having links to international terror, and that there could possibly be some small-scale training grounds within the country. Gilder has since denied that he referred to training camps.

Now, a new magazine has published an exposé on an alleged paramilitary training camp allegedly linked to a well-known Muslim family in Port Elizabeth.

The report - including photographs of the training grounds - is the cover-story in Molotov Cocktail, a magazine edited by James Sanders, author of a recently published history of SA's intelligence services.

The features editor is Ronald Suresh Roberts, a controversial commentator and author with close links to the presidency. According to the magazine, the camp outside Port Elizabeth has existed since the mid-1990s.

While known as a "recreation camp", it reputedly included an assault course and rifle range and was the venue for training youngsters in combat skills and firearms. Several local and foreign intelligence agencies have been aware of the camp.

The magazine suggests that the camp was allowed to continue because authorities saw it as a valuable means of gathering information on Muslim fundamentalists. While most ex-trainees lead normal lives unconnected to militant activities, some trainees reportedly went on to visit trouble-zones such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

A document available on the Internet and purportedly drawn up in 2001 by the National Intelligence Agency outlines a visit by a Hamas representative to the camp in 1996.

The article, described by intelligence officials as "not entirely correct", says while there might be an element of self-delusion to activities at the Greenbushes camp, South African authorities had been lax not to intervene.

Moreover, there are other camps rumoured to be based at Vaal Dam, Camperdown in KwaZulu-Natal and Schaapkraal in the Western Cape, and even a suggestion that the Sri Lankan rebel movement, the Tamil Tigers, sponsors some form of training in SA. Gilder declined to comment on the claims.

Intelligence spokesperson Lorna Daniels said on Saturday: "We cannot comment on media speculation about a matter of this nature. The intelligence community would obviously, as part of their routine work, monitor any illegal activities, including paramilitary training, if such were seen as a threat to security."

Daniels said while senior intelligence sources had confirmed that the authorities were aware of the Greenbushes camp, they were "at pains to point out the activities were not dissimilar to training for local neighbourhood watch groups". Some trainees had gone on to become involved in the local Pagad organisation, which was heavily infiltrated by police.

The sources said an infamous apartheid-era police spy had, some years back, provided "faulty information" about the camp - including a bizarre claim involving a non-existent dirty bomb.

The spies said of more interest were two alleged training grounds in the Kwazulu-Natal Midlands area, claims of a resurgence in militancy in the Western Cape and the activities of some foreigners, suspected of terror links, who came to South Africa.

At the time, Gilder acknowledged that there was some concern about foreigners with suspected terror links who had entered the country.

He said that not all Muslims or people from certain countries were terrorists and that there was also a need to distinguish between those who came from countries with legitimate causes, such as Palestine. SA was not likely to be a target, given its stance on a range of foreign policy issues.

Nevertheless, Gilder's reported comments evoked protest from the Media Review Network and the Muslim Judicial Council, who were concerned that unsubstantiated accusations could fuel Islamophobia and set up Muslim organisations for scrutiny and harassment.

The US recently placed two South Africans on its international terror list, and an official subsequently suggested that more people and organisations were in line to be listed.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20070325094101977C266049



A thread has also been started on MyPE.co.za regarding the article:

http://www.mype.co.za/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1385

[playtym]

2007-3-27 07:50
Johannesburg - South African and foreign intelligence agencies have been monitoring an alleged training camp linked to Muslim fundamentalists at Greenbushes, Port Elizabeth, The Herald Online reported on Tuesday.
According to an intelligence source, the camp is no longer operational because of possible botched surveillance activities.

Senior intelligence official Barry Gilder was recently reported as saying South Africa was keeping an eye on visitors suspected of having links to international terror, and that there could possibly be some small-scale training grounds inside the country.
Although Gilder has since denied that he referred to "training camps", his reported comments have evoked protest from the Media Review Network and the Muslim Judicial Council.

'It's all nonsense'
They are concerned that such unsubstantiated accusations could fuel Islamophobia and set up Muslim organisations for scrutiny and harassment.
A magazine has published a report on an alleged paramilitary training camp, allegedly linked to a well-known Muslim family in Port Elizabeth.
The report - including photographs of the training grounds - is the cover story in Molotov Cocktail, a magazine edited by James Sanders, author of a recently published history of South Africa's intelligence services.
However, Port Elizabeth Muslim leader Samuel Panday on Monday dismissed the report, saying the National Intelligence Agency (NIA) was trying to increase its budget allocation through making claims of a military camp.
"There is no such camp - it is all nonsense; rubbish," said Panday.
"They (the NIA) said I was running a camp for terrorists four years ago. They must start spending their time and energy on fighting crime in places like Central (Port Elizabeth)."
There are other alleged camps in Gauteng, KwaZulu-Natal, and the Western Cape, and even a suggestion that Sri Lankan rebel movement the Tamil Tigers sponsors some form of training in South Africa.
Intelligence spokesperson Lorna Daniels said senior intelligence sources had confirmed that authorities were aware of the Greenbushes camp. But she said they were "at pains to point out the activities were not dissimilar to training for local neighbourhood watch groups".

http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=464641