Belgrade Rejects "Revised" Ahtissari Plan

[AK-Lover]

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Belgrade rejects modified plan
8 March 2007 | 09:30 -> 20:26 | Source: B92
BELGRADE -- Serbia’s high officials rejected UN Envoy Martti Ahtisaari’s amended plan for Kosovo's status.

Belgrade negotiating team (Beta)


The national negotiating team concluded that none of Belgrade’s amendments pertaining to the preservation of Serbia's sovereignty and territorial integrity entered the revised version of Ahtisaari’s plan. The team added that the adapted plan was essentially similar to the original draft, meaning that the basic principles of the document have remained intact.

The meeting of Belgrade negotiating team was held at the Serbian Governmet’s headquarters, chaired by Serbian PM Vojislav Koštunica. Serbian President and team’s co-chairman Boris Tadić also attended the meeting, alongside foreign minister Vuk Drašković and the rest of the team members.

The report on the talks held in Vienna February 21 – March 2 has been adopted. It read that “Serbia constructively participated in Kosovo status talks in Vienna”.

The delegation that will represent Belgrade at the meeting in Vienna on March 10 will be headed by Boris Tadić, Vojislav Koštunica and Vuk Drašković.

The negotiators are set to meet with caucus chiefs and present their conclusions, touching on the contents of the amended Ahtisaari's plan. There will be no press releases following the meeting.

According to B92’s sources, Ahtisaari made the most notable changes to provisions about the adoption of a new constitution for Kosovo, where he accepted suggestions made by the team from Priština that will make this procedure easier.

The Serbian PM’s advisor Slobodan Samardžić told Radio Television Serbia earlier today that Ahtisaari essentially did not consent to any of the suggestions put forward by Belgrade. "He accepted several technical amendments, those that we cannot regard as very important. Our amendment proposals and remarks that pertain to Kosovo’s status, namely that counter the notion of establishing Kosovo as a new independent entity or state, were not accepted”, Samardžić said.

„We could say that the amended document is, more or less, of no significance from our point of view. It contains only a few trivial corrections to the first draft. Although I did not count them, my impression is that Ahtisaari has accepted more suggestions from Priština that from Belgrade“, he said.

In a guest appearance on TV B92, Vuk Jeremić, advisor to Serbian President Boris Tadić, conveyed president Tadić’s words to the European Troika in Brussels that Serbia would never recognize the independence of Kosovo.

"EU officials expressed understanding for this position. They also said that they supported the process lead by Marti Ahtisaari, essentially repeating the conclusions from the latest EU Minister’s Council meeting, where support was given to the phase of the process that will come after the negotiations mediated by Ahtisaari, which is a debate in the UN Security Council. The EU says that the future status of Kosovo can only be defined through a process that is concluded by a new UN Security Council resolution and this is something we agree with“, Jeremić said.

Priština satisfied

Kosovo president Fatmir Sejdiu said the negotiations team would take an official stand on Marti Ahtisaari’s amended plan today.

“The new proposal does not contain any substantial changes, which I think is very important”, he said.

Opposition leader Hasim Taqi reacted positively to the proposal, claiming that Ahtisaari’s amended plan contained the germs of a new Kosovo state.

UNMIK chief Joachim Ruecker said he only had time to skim through the text, adding that he thought it was still a good document that opened a path for Kosovo’s future and said we should soon expect a new phase in the status process.

“The focus of the international community will switch from Vienna to New York in the next few weeks, leaving behind the Vienna phase”, Ruecker said.

[INAT]

Nothing new about that.Serbia will NEVER accept giving away Kosovo-Metohija.How many times is this going to be reported as news.

[Fullaut0]

The major benefit of this revision is that no foreign troops will be attacked by Albanians and no Serbs will be lynched - at least not as a result of the contents of the document.

[Doublethinker]

We need to make a stand, somewhere. Better Serbia today, than Germany tomorrow.

Muslims aren't to be toyed with - too bad many europeans still don't understand it.

[Fullaut0]

We need to make a stand, somewhere. Better Serbia today, than Germany tomorrow.

Muslims aren't to be toyd with - too bad many europeans still don't understand it.

It might be too late. A great deal of Europe is already lost. It's a numbers game.

[Doublethinker]

It might be too late. A great deal of Europe is already lost. It's a numbers game.

True.

With Fortyne dead, Heider out of power and Le Pen just a mere shadow of his former self, I don't know if there's any chance to prevent a violent muslim overthrow of western civilization at all.

[shadower]

UCK fighters in Kosovo are regruping in South towards Albanian border and in East/North East toward border with Macedonia and South East Serbia.NATO ordered it's soldiers not to get in contact with them and if they are spoted imediately to return to secure area/base.Former UCK & ANA leaders met in hotel Alexsandar Palace in Skopje Macedonia UCK leaders requesting help if Serbia atacks or plan to protect Serbs in KiM or Serbian refuge konvoys wich are going to be atacked by Albanians to provoke Serbian Army to react so they can ask for help from UN/NATO to protect Albanians against Serbian Army atack.Serbian inteligence sais huge loads of veapons and amunition are being smugled across border into Novi Pazar/Raska area in South Serbia wich have big muslim population and into areas of Presevo Medveda & Bujanovac with big Albanian population.

[apm]

True.

With Fortyne dead, Heider out of power and Le Pen just a mere shadow of his former self, I don't know if there's any chance to prevent a violent muslim overthrow of western civilization at all.

better with a hard but fair campaign of the civil camp - there would hardly ever a majority in other political camps, except the more far right ones which i do not support - but please not with those morons heider and le pen.

@shadower
i guess the source of your statement lies also in the shadow...nevertheless i am disappointed by those stupid bunch of albanian nationalists who continue to pour oil into the fire with claiming that the un envoys plan would not go far enough.

@topic
i saw it coming, nevertheless it´s sad somehow. the serbians lost every chance to present a compromise plan, a fact which also seems to becoming public in the serbian society where the existence of other possibilites was supposed.
well what i wanted to say was that unfortunately now the world community will again force serbia to live with something new. and even if russia puts a veto on the plan in the security council, the west will start the recognition of kosovo as an independent state.

[R.D.]

With Fortyne dead, Heider out of power and Le Pen just a mere shadow of his former self, I don't know if there's any chance to prevent a violent muslim overthrow of western civilization at all.
I hope that's sarcasm because otherwise I feel REALLY bad for you buddy. Trust me Albanians are the last "muslims" you will have to worry about, since they're more western the Serbs themselves.


UCK fighters in Kosovo are regruping in South towards Albanian border and in East/North East toward border with Macedonia and South East Serbia.NATO ordered it's soldiers not to get in contact with them and if they are spoted imediately to return to secure area/base.Former UCK & ANA leaders met in hotel Alexsandar Palace in Skopje Macedonia UCK leaders requesting help if Serbia atacks or plan to protect Serbs in KiM or Serbian refuge konvoys wich are going to be atacked by Albanians to provoke Serbian Army to react so they can ask for help from UN/NATO to protect Albanians against Serbian Army atack.Serbian inteligence sais huge loads of veapons and amunition are being smugled across border into Novi Pazar/Raska area in South Serbia wich have big muslim population and into areas of Presevo Medveda & Bujanovac with big Albanian population.


What's up with all this made up BS? What are you sources? Serbian intelligence? They share information with you don't they? Dude please...


and even if russia puts a veto on the plan in the security council, the west will approve the recognition of kosovo as an independent state.

That's true, tough for the Serbs who still think Kosova is going to be part of Serbia, even though I fail to see the logics behind their great ideas.

[apm]

somehow i can understand their way of thinking. but even serbian president tadic admitted that every chance to find a solution with advantages for serbia was gambled away because serbia rejected the entire plan due to prinicple matters and not made a real compromise.

[AK-Lover]

I hope that's sarcasm because otherwise I feel REALLY bad for you buddy. Trust me Albanians are the last "muslims" you will have to worry about, since they're more western the Serbs themselves.



What's up with all this made up BS? What are you sources? Serbian intelligence? They share information with you don't they? Dude please...


That's true, tough for the Serbs who still think Kosova is going to be part of Serbia, even though I fail to see the logics behind their great ideas.

Seems like we got a bunch of comedians here. You are as misinformed as the next person so don't jump to any conclusions. And nice job trying to start a flamewar their buddy, it's KosovO not Kosova. Leave the topic to people who want to seriously discuss it.

[R.D.]

I don't really care what you call it...




EU backs Ahtisaari's intention to submit Kosovo plan to UN Council


The European Union (EU) welcomed on Saturday UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari's intention to submit his final proposal on Kosovo's status to the UN Security Council for approval.

Saturday's high-level talks in Vienna concluded the negotiations held over the last 14 months over the issue between Ahtisaari's team and the concerned parties.

Kosovo, a Serbian province, was put under UN administration in 1999 after NATO's airstrikes drove Serbian troops out of it.

"I wish to thank President Ahtisaari for his untiring efforts and leadership throughout this process. I fully support his intention to present his final proposal to the UN Security Council in the course of this month," said EU enlargement commissioner Olli Rehn in a statement.

"President Ahtisaari's settlement proposal is a realistic compromise, given the parties' irreconcilable positions on Kosovo's status. It provides a framework for a future stable, democratic and multi-ethnic Kosovo."

A sustainable solution of Kosovo's status is needed, without further delay, said Rehn.

He said the European Commission, the executive body of the EU, remains fully committed to helping bring the process through to completion during the next phase in the United Nations.

Ahtisaari's plan, which opens way for ultimate independence of Kosovo, is welcomed in the West. But Russia (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/russia.html), which has veto power in the UN Security Council, has voiced concern that such a settlement might have adverse effects on many other breakaway regions in Europe.

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/11/eng20070311_356373.html


I guess this means GAME OVER! rofl

[AK-Lover]

I don't really care what you call it...



I guess this means GAME OVER! rofl
Obviously unlike some people here you haven't been following the whole "process" very well. It's far from "game over" **** stirrer, it hasn't even reached the security council yet.

[R.D.]

Obviously unlike some people here you haven't been following the whole "process" very well. It's far from "game over" **** stirrer, it hasn't even reached the security council yet.
LOL what's with all the anger and the insults dude? I didn't say anything. :)

PS. Stop flaming and say something constructive.

[apm]

but in this point he is right. still many things can happen regarding to the kosovo question. how i feel the plan will be handed over to the unsc during the next weeks. probably russia will put a veto on it, so it is up to the west to recognize the kosovo as an independent state. but this step is everything but not a solution of the problem as it hardly will have influence on serbias policy.

[Wodan]

so you americans know what that means??


Kosovo:

part of serbia, flooded by illegals (albanians), now they want to overtake it literally



California:
....
(replace albanians with mexicans)

[R.D.]

so you americans know what that means??


Kosovo:

part of serbia, flooded by illegals (albanians), now they want to overtake it literally



California:
....
(replace albanians with mexicans)
You obviously have no clue of "Kosovo's" history, and if you want to prove your point through history then you better start from where it all started and call it Dardania. You totally make no sense since the Illyrians (Dardhanians) were the first inhabitants of modern Kosova. As you know the descendants of Illyrians were the Albanians (in that region). So tell your grandpa to tell you some better and more belivable urban legends.

[shadower]

There is absolutely no arkeological writen or any other proof that dardanians/ilirians=albanians.There is no more ilirian blood in one albanian that there is in serbian bosnian croatian montenegrin etc,...

[Vuk1389]

You obviously have no clue of "Kosovo's" history, and if you want to prove your point through history then you better start from where it all started and call it Dardania. You totally make no sense since the Illyrians (Dardhanians) were the first inhabitants of modern Kosova. As you know the descendants of Illyrians were the Albanians (in that region). So tell your grandpa to tell you some better and more belivable urban legends.Might as well just say that europe is part of roman empire :S

[R.D.]

There is absolutely no arkeological writen or any other proof that dardanians/ilirians=albanians.There is no more ilirian blood in one albanian that there is in serbian bosnian croatian montenegrin etc,...

Maybe not in Serbia (for obvious reason) but we have plenty of "arkeological", writen and any kind of proof you want in Albania. Just go to the National Museum in Tirana, and you'll find what you're looking for. Most bosnians, croats and montenegrins are mostly slavic, only a small percantage of them are descandants of illyrians, which is not the case with Albanians.



Might as well just say that europe is part of roman empire :S

I don't see your logics since the Romans conquered Europe and weren't the first inhabitants known to live all around Europe. The closest thing in this situation is that in this case Serbs are the Roman Empire since Serbs(slavic tribes) came later (6th century) after the original inhabitants had been living there for centuries. Again your statement lacks common sense.

[Vuk1389]

So they were teh very very very very first people to live there? You cant really prove it.....The world belongs to bacteria? :S. We are all humans in the end.

[R.D.]

So they were teh very very very very first people to live there? You cant really prove it.....The world belongs to bacteria? :S. We are all humans in the end.

Well then since we can't use history (too bad for Albanians) to satisfy you, then the only thing left is to use the current status of "Kosova" and the Albanian population there which is more that 94%. The way I see it, it's purely social darwinism. :)

[Knez Eru]

:fork:


Everybody just STFU. Learn to use the "ignore user" feature in the member profile. It's there for a reason.

[shadower]

Maybe not in Serbia (for obvious reason) but we have plenty of "arkeological", writen and any kind of proof you want in Albania. Just go to the National Museum in Tirana, and you'll find what you're looking for. Most bosnians, croats and montenegrins are mostly slavic, only a small percantage of them are descandants of illyrians, which is not the case with Albanians.

Nope no writen because they did not have alphabet.
I have two friends arkeologists who are dying to find someething more than bunch of stones that mark ilirian graves in wich you can find some pottery and bronze speer here and there.I have been in expeditions[as they called them] many times but nothing.Once we found greek pottery in cave wich they think ilirian used as religious site.

[R.D.]

Nope no writen because they did not have alphabet.
I have two friends arkeologists who are dying to find someething more than bunch of stones that mark ilirian graves in wich you can find some pottery and bronze speer here and there.I have been in expeditions[as they called them] many times but nothing.Once we found greek pottery in cave wich they think ilirian used as religious site.

Say what?

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9539/debry09dv8.jpg

Tell your friends to get a new job, and you should try making better atempts at lying.

[perdurabo]

True.

With Fortyne dead, Heider out of power and Le Pen just a mere shadow of his former self, I don't know if there's any chance to prevent a violent muslim overthrow of western civilization at all.
we can allways lend you some Giertych family or Giertych-jugend members
you like younger one?
http://www.ojczyzna.pl/Politycy/Giertych-R-Europejczyk.jpg
or maybe older one?
http://www.mwslask.boo.pl/lpr/news/nimgs/mauejprop.jpg
or maybe this young active G-jugend guy?
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/3077/z3077491N.jpg
or virgin g-jugend one?
http://www.lpr.pl/grafa_prop.php?nazwa_obrazka=_pic/serwis/3419.jpg
we have looots of them it will be enough for next 3 or 4 Vienna victories p-)

[Lokos]

Tell your friends to get a new job, and you should try making better atempts at lying.

1) Herodotus is about as reliable, generally, as Tacitus. Be extremely careful when using him as a general reference. Archeologists do not rely on his accounts exclusively for some very obvious reasons.

2) What is the alphabet on the bottom? Its structure - as well as the chirilitza inspired font - bear more than a passing resemblance to the Serbian azbuka. I am referring, of course, to the A, B, (V) ('V' being present at this point of the alphabet sequence in Serbian, but not present here), G, D etc. structure of the alphabet.

3) Do not use some sort of pseudo-historical reasoning to claim rights over Kosovo. Your only right stems from the de facto situation in the province. Whether or not Albanians are wholly or in part descendants of the Illyrians is pure speculation. The reason why there is so much debate is because nobody can prove anything. If you sincerely believe that the Slavic tribes who arrived in 7th century AD did not incorporate great quantities of what-was-then-considered Illyrian blood within a fairly short period, you are beyond help.

Who has more of this blood, then? The Albanians, or the Serbs? Maybe the Croats? Maybe even the Bulgarians? What institution will be responsible for quantifying this 'historical heritage'? In the same token, how much of the Albanian genetic pool is Slavic? Or Greek? Or Turkish? Would you like to specify which genes predominate?

It's an exercise in futility.

In this world, folks, a man's 'right' to anything is decided by his ability to take and to hold. When that ability vanishes, don't be surprised by the disappearance of the right, too. In other words, Kosovo is yours for as long as you can hold it. How long that is, exactly, neither you nor I can tell.

Lokos

[DaDaddy(Fin)(UK)]

Maybe we all should just try to get along :cantbeli:

-Tr.

[apm]

i gained a lot of experience here: topics about

balkanese issues
american iraq strategy
and global warming...will lead to nothing. that must be the often quoted 'learning by doing'.

[R.D.]

i gained a lot of experience here: topics about

balkanese issues
american iraq strategy
and global warming...will lead to nothing. that must be the often quoted 'learning by doing'.
You're soo right... Nobody will change their view about anything soo it's useless to say anything.

[shadower]

First one is Gljagoljica old croatian alphabed.
http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~zox/glagoljica.html

[shadower]

This proves what I wrote the other day in this discution!

Police raid Wahhabi terrorist camp
18 March 2007 | 10:26 | Source: B92
NOVI PAZAR -- Police have arrested four people in connection to a Wahhabi terrorist camp discovered near Novi Pazar Saturday.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=03&dd=18&nav_category=113&nav_id=40192

[apm]

This proves what I wrote the other day in this discution!

Police raid Wahhabi terrorist camp
18 March 2007 | 10:26 | Source: B92
NOVI PAZAR -- Police have arrested four people in connection to a Wahhabi terrorist camp discovered near Novi Pazar Saturday.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=03&dd=18&nav_category=113&nav_id=40192

not really, sorry. problems with islamistic thoughts, more or less ready to use violence, do exist everwhere where major islamic communities can be found. nothing special about serbia also getting affected by this now.

[shadower]

You are sick!

[apm]

thanks for the diagnosis, uncle doc! you may explain why you think this now..?

[shadower]

Report damns West's revival of Kosovo
By Bojan Pancevski, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 2:37am GMT 19/03/2007



A confidential study warns that Kosovo faces a violent and chaotic future after the failure of nation-building efforts by the international community.

The study, commissioned by the German government, accused Western governments, including Britain, of the "ostrich politics" of denial and found that Kosovo faced a decline into "violent riots and even revolution-like development" after the expected declaration of independence.

It claimed that the United Nations administration and the Nato-led peacekeeping mission had been infiltrated by organised crime syndicates, and accused the international bodies of mismanagement, corruption and organisational chaos.

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Talks on the future of Kosovo ended in stalemate last week and have been referred to the UN Security Council, which is expected to grant limited independence according to a proposal drafted by Martti Ahtisaari, the former Finnish president.

Britain was widely regarded as the driving force behind the 1999 Nato air strikes against the regime of Slobodan Milosevic, the former Serbian president, which led to the separation of the province, with its majority Albanian population, from the Serbian state. Since then, Kosovo has been a UN-administered protectorate secured by an international military presence.

But a study by the Institute for European Politics, a Berlin think-tank, says the severely impoverished territory has little prospect of democratic progress because the building of a functioning multi-ethnic society has failed and does not exist "outside the bureaucratic phrases of the international community". The study describes the European Union's security strategy for an independent Kosovo as flawed. The authors accuse Nato and the UN of creating a culture of systematic repression of critical reports in order to present Kosovo as a success story.

The study claimed the population's belief in the advantages of independence was pushing expectations for economic prosperity to unrealistic heights. This would eventually cause a backlash and a confrontation with the international administration.

A spokesman for the Kosovo Force (KFor), the Nato-led international unit responsible for establishing and maintaining security, said: "We are aware of the study and the allegations made in it regarding KFor but we will not comment on them. The situation in Kosovo is not stable but we have a clear mission and we are sticking to it."

The authorities in Belgrade have offered Kosovo home rule and wide-ranging autonomy but have refused to accept the creation of a sovereign state, arguing that it would set a dangerous precedent and further destabilise the region.

For their part, Kosovo's Albanian leaders are not willing to engage in any kind of union with Serbia and maintain that full independence is the only possible solution.