Children To Receive "Gay" Education At School

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school


by LAURA CLARK - Last updated at 22:00pm on 11th March 2007

Schools are teaching children as young as four about same-*** relationships to comply with new gay rights laws, it emerged yesterday.
They are introducing youngsters to homo******ity using a series of story books in preparation for controversial regulations coming into force next month.
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Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in a £600,000 Government-funded study aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian relationships.

The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on national websites to help all schools use the books in their literacy lessons.

It also revealed it is leading workshops for local councils across the country which are asking how to implement new laws banning discrimination on grounds of ****** orientation.

The academics working on the study say showing children that homo******ity is part of everyday life helps reduce homophobic bullying in the playground.
They claim schools need to ensure they are serving the needs of gay pupils and parents to comply with the Equality Act.

However the scheme sparked alarm among Christian groups who fear the legislation could leave schools open to lawsuits if they refuse to use books with gay characters.

One story being used in the research project, headed by academics at Sunderland University, is a fairytale about a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in love with one of their brothers. They marry in a book titled 'King & King'.

In another book, 'Spacegirl Pukes', the main character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee. She is about to set off on a space mission when she falls ill, requiring her mothers to nurse her back to health.

Another called 'And Tango Makes Three' features two male penguins, Roy and Silo, who fall in love at a New York zoo.

The latter has sparked fierce debate in the U.S. where some schools already use it.

The use of the books in England prompted claims that repealing Section 28 - the law banning the promotion of homo******ity in schools - has increased the use of inappropriate teaching materials.

There are also claims that new gay rights laws, coming into force on April 6, will allow schools to be sued if they do not use homo****** texts.
The Government insists that schools will still be able to decide what they teach.

A spokesman said existing guidance already made clear schools must "meet the needs of all young people whatever their family circumstances or developing ******ity", and in a way that is "age appropriate".

However Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at Sunderland University, said: "The purpose of the project is to support schools in meeting their requirements under the Equality Act, which will require all public institutions to meet the needs of gay and lesbian users.

"There's very little out there at the moment to enable them to meet the needs of all pupils."

The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland jointly with Exeter
University and London's Institute of Education.

It has been launched in 14 schools across the North East, the South West, London and the Midlands.

Dr Atkinson added: "We are already finding that books like these are changing attitudes around homo******ity. Pupils are more willing to understand issues of discrimination."

However Simon Calvert, spokesman for the Christian Institute, said: "The predictions of those who said the repeal of Section 28 would result in the active promotion of homo******ity in schools are coming true."

His insitute is also warning that the new equality laws would lead to schools being "compelled" to provide books with gay themes and risk litigation if they do not.

Meanwhile the Christian Voice group has vowed to track down the books and organise a protest to ban them.

Director Stephen Green said: "The arrogance of people like Elizabeth Atkinson, using children as guinea pigs is outrageous and thoroughly wicked.
"I am astonished at this project and we are trying to find out where these schools are to empower parents to put pressure on them to remove the books."

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[futurepilot2004]

Are you actually trying to be the new Blackrain???

[theholeinthedonut]

PC is killing the world....

[usa320]

grosss...... not so much the whole gay thing.... just the whole stuffing it on little kids part....

[Jobu]

I, for one, welcome our new gay overlords.

[Ordie]

Mr. Joshua,

Welcome back.
Let's see how long this thread will last.
Next time you're in West Hollywood, stop by have have some beers at Studs bar.

Have a good day...

[Firetxmi]

Are you actually trying to be the new Blackrain???

Damn, I almost forgot about Blackrain!

Blast from the past....

[Doublethinker]

Kinda reminded me of that South Park episode "Getting gay with children".

[CPLHUNTER]

I guess my question is why does this need to forced on kids before regular *** education even occurs?

It's call brainwashing, plain and simple. Not to say the word brainwashing is used in a bad context, it depends on your position in this matter.

I for one when I have kids do not want the public school bringing a political battle in the classroom.

[Hydro]

which will require all public institutions to meet the needs of gay and lesbian users


How do gay users have needs that are different to the needs of hetero****** users? Aside from the obvious large supplies needed of garishly coloured linen shirts and sandals.


Oh, and the Christian Voice group, and Stephen Green in particular, are total nutjobs. I've met the man, and he's a few rounds short of a full magazine.


Why do some gay people think they're some kind of special case (even worse when straight people patronise gay folk into becoming special cases)? They're just normal folk that stick it in a different hole and pick a different type of pube out of their teeth, and possibly (just possibly) have their fingers on the pulse in the busy metropolitan world of fashion. Get over yourselves, you pains in the arses. Pun intended.

[FillTheVoid]

I'm telling you this country is falling apart.

[dangerclose]

Mr. Joshua,

Welcome back.
Let's see how long this thread will last.
Next time you're in West Hollywood, stop by have have some beers at Studs bar.

Have a good day...


My condolences.

[KingoftheHill]

Disgusting.inhumane.sickening.

I try to avoid W.Hollywood for those very reasons.

[Dasein]

What's being 'forced' on kids? That homo******s exist? Why is that any worse than the overwhelming references to hetro******ity found in most material that is presented to kids?

How, for example, should a teacher and schools in general, approach a child who's parents are homo******? What about homo****** employees?

Overall, is the problem people have with ******ity being mentioned, or which homo******ity specifically?

[Kaapeli]

Gay penguins. :)
Do people actually think that some four year old will even notice and understand the gay aspect of some bedtime story.
I remember when some people were worried how the Teletubbies would make babies gay because one of them had the gay-symbol triangle on his head, one carried a purse and one was pink (or was it the same tubbie?). Like the kids would understand symbols like that.

[Atlantic Friend]

Bloody Hell. Between toy stores being closed by the police because they sell gollywogs and this, I ust say my heart bleeds for good old England. What on Earth has become of our best enemies ?

[dangerclose]

Gay penguins. :)


And you lick your own ********s?

nevermind, don't answer that.

[Laworkerbee]

Mr. Joshua,

Welcome back.
Let's see how long this thread will last.
Next time you're in West Hollywood, stop by have have some beers at Studs bar.

Have a good day...

I prefer Revolver woot

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I prefer Revolver woot


What the hell are you guys talkin' bout, are these some sorta' assless chaps type joints?

[Hydro]

This sort of makes me rememeber the exam questions we had in school. They had to be so totally PC, multi ****** and multi ethnic they set up almost totally unrealistic scenarios.

"Fred, Bob and Steve went to the shop" became "Fred, Sandra and Prakesh went to the shop" - I mean honestly, who gives a ****?

Don't get me started on the BBC's Educational Programming either! Oh OK, you twisted my arm.

The Educational series "Balamory". Supposed to be set in a quaint remote Scottish fishing village in the North of Scotland, and has various "fun" residents all tied in with the local school, and the kids have fun and learn with these hilariously hijinks characters. Now either I'm totally blind, but the last time I was in a North Scottish fishing village, I do not remember seeing a single person that didn't have 6 fingers and red hair let alone a perfectly multicultural paradise that had an Asian family, a black bloke, a disabled woman and a faintly camp man that lived in a freakin' PINK CASTLE for Gods sake!

[Mr. JOSHUA]

This sort of makes me rememeber the exam questions we had in school. They had to be so totally PC, multi ****** and multi ethnic they set up almost totally unrealistic scenarios.

"Fred, Bob and Steve went to the shop" became "Fred, Sandra and Prakesh went to the shop" - I mean honestly, who gives a ****?

Don't get me started on the BBC's Educational Programming either! Oh OK, you twisted my arm.

The Educational series "Balamory". Supposed to be set in a quaint remote Scottish fishing village in the North of Scotland, and has various "fun" residents all tied in with the local school, and the kids have fun and learn with these hilariously hijinks characters. Now either I'm totally blind, but the last time I was in a North Scottish fishing village, I do not remember seeing a single person that didn't have 6 fingers and red hair let alone a perfectly multicultural paradise that had an Asian family, a black bloke, a disabled woman and a faintly camp man that lived in a freakin' PINK CASTLE for Gods sake!

Thats f*cked up Hydro, I keep trying to get any info out of my daughter regarding anything and everything that has political overtones, the only problem is, how do I keep going on asking these roundabout questions without tipping her off that i'm prying into to what they teach her at school, right now she loves school, has straight A's and excellent conduct, I obviously don't want her indoctrinated by some 60's child and I don't want her to lose trust in her teachers either. I tell myself, she's too young for me to explain to her all the problems in the world, but if I wait till she's older, will she have already been influenced by some biased teacher or naive friends.

[Dasein]

I keep trying to get any info out of my daughter regarding anything and everything that has political overtones

Why would she see political overtones in any of this?

[Snoshi]

And why waste money on this crap?

[Laworkerbee]

What the hell are you guys talkin' bout, are these some sorta' assless chaps type joints?

Yep............woot

Oh and Mr Joshua congrats on your kids grades its nice to hear when a kid actually enjoys school

[Hydro]

And why waste money on this crap?


...and there is the kicker. It does frankly bewilder me that there are whole departments of the Government (funded by the taxpayer), and whole sections of Universities (that should be producing future captains of British industry and finding novel cures to disease) that are paid to do nothing else but make mountains out of molehills and tack agendas onto things that no sane person could give a **** less about, and generally ****ing things up for the rest of us.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Why would she see political overtones in any of this?


She wouldn't, she's just a lil girl, she'd take it as standard curriculum and reality.

[hauptman]

And why waste money on this crap?

Maybe because the State has the task to defend allowed minorities and don't allow discrimination against them.
If homo******ity is not a crime than homo****** people have basically the same rights as any other. So, if there are discriminations towards this group the State has to regulate.

Simple as that.

[Dasein]

She wouldn't, she's just a lil girl, she'd take it as standard curriculum and reality.

God forbid she grow up thinking the reality is gay people can lead normal, productive lives, or that Fred, Sandra and Prakesh might actually go to the store together.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Yep............woot

Oh and Mr Joshua congrats on your kids grades its nice to hear when a kid actually enjoys school

.....you guys are crazy.......

Thank you very much, I of course cannot take the credit, Momma and my daughters own common sense take it all.

She has so much common sense, it baffles the mind, I think its some sort of rare phenomenom.

[Silver Cup]

I have nothing against the homo****** community, but I do not believe ****** preferences should be taught at schools.

[hauptman]

.....you guys are crazy.......

Thank you very much, I of course cannot take the credit, Momma and my daughters own common sense take it all.

She has so much common sense, it baffles the mind, I think its some sort of rare phenomenom.

Seems like a good childhood education from your Wife and you. Something which is very important nowadays. :)

[Hydro]

that Fred, Sandra and Prakesh might actually go to the store together.



It's not the question of whether they can go to the store, but that there's a very dull man in an office who notices that damn exam questions don't "include people" and "may cause offence", whereas no-one, black, white, Asian or orange gives a toss.


These extremely uninteresting and witless individuals (who, I can almost guarantee are white and middle class) are starting to run our lives and dictate to us that we must abide by their "acceptable" standard of life that we must all live up to and unfortunately they have the ear of some rather powerful idiots that tend to make this crap law.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

God forbid she grow up thinking the reality is gay people can lead normal, productive lives, or that Fred, Sandra and Prakesh might actually go to the store together.

Well, therein lies another argument, you said God forbid, what God, the god that the same liberals banished from school and any other public place?

The same god that forbids the act of homo******ity?

The same god whose words I wish to preach to my daughter only to have her school have her believe that god does not exist and that this particular behavior is acceptable?

Liberals will will have you know that god is not acceptable in any public place because they feel this is one groups idealogy and should not be imposed on anyone else, but on the other hand, they are more than willing to push the homo****** agenda even though it is one group with one ideology that is being pushed on everyone else.

[Dasein]

I have nothing against the homo****** community, but I do not believe ****** preferences should be taught at schools.

Does this include hetro******ity?

[hauptman]

Liberals will will have you know that god is not acceptable in any public place because they feel this is one groups idealogy and should not be imposed on anyone else, but on the other hand, they are more than willing to push the homo****** agenda even though it is one group with one ideology that is being pushed on everyone else.

You compare two very different things.
Religion is a groups ideology because it's an opinion towards something.
But discriminating against homo******s (or saying that they are not normal) violates the equality axiom.

[Dasein]

Well, therein lies another argument, you said God forbid, what God, the god that the same liberals banished from school and any other public place?

The liberals did all this? I suppose you tihnk the Constitution is just part of the liberal agenda, too?


The same god that forbids the act of homo******ity?

Some do, some don't. As the Constitution prohibits the establishment of any religion, this would include all Gods, both those that objec tto and do not object to homo******ity.


The same god whose words I wish to preach to my daughter only to have her school have her believe that god does not exist and that this particular behavior is acceptable?

You are confusing prohibition on establishment with atheism.


Liberals will will have you know that god is not acceptable in any public place because they feel this is one groups idealogy and should not be imposed on anyone else, but on the other hand, they are more than willing to push the homo****** agenda even though it is one group with one ideology that is being pushed on everyone else.

Ah, the gay agenda. What is this gay agenda? Who set it?

[Hydro]

You compare two very different things.
Religion is a groups ideology because it's an opinion towards something.
But discriminating against homo******s (or saying that they are not normal) violates the equality axiom.



You shot who in the what now? I'm not entirely convinced I said that.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

The liberals did all this? I suppose you tihnk the Constitution is just part of the liberal agenda, too?

Well, gee, seeing as how those wacky christian right wingers faces are plastered all over this legislation, I guess they are the ones behind this.:roll:


Some do, some don't. As the Constitution prohibits the establishment of any religion, this would include all Gods, both those that objec tto and do not object to homo******ity.

Liberalism is a religion, they're always preaching and lecturing you on this and that.



You are confusing prohibition on establishment with atheism.

ummm....ok.........


Ah, the gay agenda. What is this gay agenda? Who set it?

The gays.

[Fox2]

As a polygamist, I demand a story about a penguin who gets it on with 26 other penguins simultaneously. And then marries all of them.

And then maybe has *** with a car.

It's only fair. You wouldn't want to discriminate against me, would you? Would you?!

[Silver Cup]

Does this include hetro******ity?

I said ****** preference should not be taught in schools, didn't I? :roll:

[Dasein]

I said ****** preference should not be taught in schools, didn't I?

So no material should include married couples?

[noname]

...........

[noname]

So no material should include married couples?


Being that a man and a woman is the basis for the continuation of society what good is it to confuse kids with two gay people being together other than to hide things in their cornholes?p-)

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The Educational series "Balamory". Supposed to be set in a quaint remote Scottish fishing village in the North of Scotland, and has various "fun" residents all tied in with the local school, and the kids have fun and learn with these hilariously hijinks characters. Now either I'm totally blind, but the last time I was in a North Scottish fishing village, I do not remember seeing a single person that didn't have 6 fingers and red hair let alone a perfectly multicultural paradise that had an Asian family, a black bloke, a disabled woman and a faintly camp man that lived in a freakin' PINK CASTLE for Gods sake!

rofl That's awesome. Reminds me of a lot of US TV shows that I find unwatchable. I've drawn the conclusion that what is going on is that the Illuminati have given up on art imitating life - now it's to be the other way around. All media, TV, educational materials etc. must provide a template for their perfect vision of the world of tomorrow - where certain ideas, races, and sexes are sufficiently marginalized.

[DaGreatRV]

I think it should be included into regular *** education.

The thing about age is that when you normally get *** ed at school, around 10 - 11 years old, you most likely have heard most about it from your classmates, the internet and your family. So whats the use of givving *** ed at an age when kids allready know about it? Ofcource they may have misconceptions, wich may be explained in class.


BTW, When I was little I didn't think of it as strange that my two uncles were living together. It just was no big deal.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

So far as I'm concerned, the state's interest in *** education is limited to messages relating to safety...i.e. if you have *** you risk getting the clap or getting/making someone pregnant. Messages about what kind of family is acceptable, and what kind of *** is normal has no place in a governmental setting - that's a value judgment that parents alone are entitled to pass on. This kind of bullsh*t is just one more step towards the nanny state, in which the state becomes the parent/god to all citizens.

[Herrmannek]

****** education in schools is as needed as fifth well on the cart, everything crucial person should know can learn from the biology lessons, everything else is or totally natural or to be thought by parent's.

[phoilme]

MAD TV had a great skit on "Gay Office Relations." Basically it reinforced the truth that homo****** *** is natural and comes over a person like any natural urge. And the best part is after gay *** there's no awkward feeling. I strive to be a gay illegal alien.

[Abolith]

So no material should include married couples?

I dothink he is saying that there should be no materials of this sort at all.

[BCE_CYKU]

grosss...... not so much the whole gay thing.... just the whole stuffing it on little kids part....

i'd say its rediculous on both accounts, the fact that they allow homo******ity and even worse they will teach it to children, wtf is this world coming to? :bash:

[DevilDogHopeful]

Most kids regardless of some program will leave it saying stuff like "fvcking fags"... don't waste your time.

My 2 cents.

[California Joe]

Jesus, I wish it was actually closer to the election. If this keeps up I'm going to have to change this section to Gay Discussions and Rants.....

[Xaito]

It would be ok to explain homo******ity during *** education but I think its disturbing if homo******ity is advertized to children in form of fairy tales etc.

[Durandal]

rofl

No $hit, and Joshua seems, again, to the master of ceremonies of this Pride Parade...one again.

You telling us something?





















To be honest, I find it both bizarre and a little disconcerting that there is both this much dislike and this much conspiracy theory regarding gays.

Seriously, its like gays are the new jews or something.

[LaoSexMachine]

The gay sky is falling! The gay sky is falling!

[Aerosoul]

I don't remember learning how to like boys while I was in school.
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[Firetxmi]

So far as I'm concerned, the state's interest in *** education is limited to messages relating to safety...i.e. if you have *** you risk getting the clap or getting/making someone pregnant. Messages about what kind of family is acceptable, and what kind of *** is normal has no place in a governmental setting - that's a value judgment that parents alone are entitled to pass on. This kind of bullsh*t is just one more step towards the nanny state, in which the state becomes the parent/god to all citizens.

I think thats a statement I can agree to.

[noname]

It would be ok to explain homo******ity during *** education but I think its disturbing if homo******ity is advertized to children in form of fairy tales etc.

Dammit jim. You just made a great observation. They are in fact "fairy" tales.

[Markus69]

I have nothing against the homo****** community, but I do not believe ****** preferences should be taught at schools.

Silver these stories are not about the act of ******ity at all. Furthermore you talk as if ******ity is taught and not an attribute one is born with. If a child is gay or straight is completely independent of any teachings. Using that logic thats like saying a straight man/woman would/could be converted to be homo******. From personal experience I could read all the literature possible about homo******ity it would not change the fact that I am straight.

Just an opinion

[Calanen]

The State should not have a role in teaching about homo******ity, except to this extent, that there are currently laws which prohibit discrimination against homo******s. High school children need only learn about that, its not appropriate for elementary school kids.

There is so little time to teach kids a lot of things. PC values about alternative lifestyles should not be part of the core curriculum. What about teaching about how to buy shares, how to get a mortgage, how to run a business. They are all skills kids never get taught, and are expected to learn on the run. Or what about what the law says about various things, how bad prison is go to and what sentences you can receive for being involved in drug crime. Much more important than fairy tales about two men who love each other very much....

[Doublethinker]

I'm already beginning to feel envious. We in Russia were never taught anything about homo******ism at school at all.

And the only lessons we had on ******ity at school were in 10-th grade (we were 15 and 16 year olds), when everybody knew everything already.

Seems to me, that family should take responsibility at least for SOMETHING, when it comes to their children's education Personal belifs and one's ******ity is a subject better left at home.

[Masai]

i dont care who puts what where...

but this is getting rediculoooooos

[Superking]

Hmmm....nuthin' against the gay community but wtf do 3-4 year olds have to do with same *** rights? Should we not teach them not to eat leadbased paintchips first? Or not to pet the dead hippie on the front lawn?

PC gone ape-excrement....I sense a total "tolerance" backlash in the coming generations.

[Xaito]

I'm already beginning to feel envious. We in Russia were never taught anything about homo******ism at school at all.

so you think there is a need to be taught about homo******ity?
why?
In my school in germany homo******ity was not on the curriculum - but we still discussed it a few times during biology and religious education (I was on a private catholic school) because of personal agendas of the teachers - especially the agenda of our teachers in religion - I got a human rights activist as a teacher who taught us to respect homo******ity etc (man I still remember my debates with her everytime when I told her my opinion on anything - it always contradicted hers ;) ) while an other teacher in another class was a nun (our school had a monastery and church on its schoolgrounds - or better the other way around) the nun always taught more "catholic" values ;)

[vrb]

Wow....

The newspaper that supported Hitler before the war picks up an article from the BNP website.

[Markus69]

Most of the movies/stories whatever that are directed at that young age group are to instill lessons, i.e. sharing, acceptance etc. and ya go ahead and try to teach a child in grade one about how to attain a mortgage lol

[Freedom-Fries]

I, for one, welcome our new gay overlords. good for you
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[nullterm]

What do 4 year olds need to know about homo******ity? Next thing you know, they'll be teaching kindergarten that there is no Santa or Easter Bunny.

... don't worry kids. They do exist.

[Kant]

The State should not have a role in teaching about homo******ity, except to this extent, that there are currently laws which prohibit discrimination against homo******s. High school children need only learn about that, its not appropriate for elementary school kids.

There is so little time to teach kids a lot of things. PC values about alternative lifestyles should not be part of the core curriculum. What about teaching about how to buy shares, how to get a mortgage, how to run a business. They are all skills kids never get taught, and are expected to learn on the run. Or what about what the law says about various things, how bad prison is go to and what sentences you can receive for being involved in drug crime. Much more important than fairy tales about two men who love each other very much....

That sums up how I feel.

[Xaito]

good for you
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hahaha Haado Gay - I love that guy (not in a homo****** way though ;) )