Funny spetsnaz pics

[Caraway]

I'm sorry if these have been posted here before.


Are they really serious about this?
http://desantura.ru/4images/data/media/2/06.jpg

http://desantura.ru/4images/data/media/2/08.jpg

See you later!
http://desantura.ru/4images/data/media/11/Av6.jpg

[CannibalSquirel]

wow... woot

[Saranof]

Photoshopskij ;)

[J-10]

Wow! Great :D

[cut]

Photoshopskij ;)

not likely

[American Patriot]

Those are VDV, I think. The first two pics are of an instructor showing off and the third one is self explanatory.

[shrek]

And I thought we were nuts?

[memphiz]

Yeah these are real, Russians are crazy ass cool :D

[He219]

Crazy Ivan!
:D


1st Russian Airborne Brigade, BiH

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/119/p12a/b01p121f.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081b.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081i.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081g.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166e.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121f.jpg

[fdt]

Do they let them LO jump over the Piter?

[Russian Texan]

Do they let them LO jump over the Piter?
Why not?

The picture was taken during " VDV day", August 2 - it is their holliday.
Everytime I see them, I wish I chose a different life path...

http://sdokin.narod.ru/vdv.gif

Тот, кто ни разу в жизни не покидал самолёт,
откуда города и сёла кажутся игрушечными,
кто ни разу не испытывал радости и страха
свободного падения, свист в ушах, струю ветра
бьющего в грудь, тот никогда не поймёт
чести и гордости десантника...
В.Ф. Маргелов

[Caraway]

One more.

http://desantura.ru/4images/data/media/2/05.jpg

Is this really very practical training? Seems like they are training for Rambo XII.

[Russian Texan]

Is this really very practical training? Seems like they are training for Rambo XII.

No, they are training to fight Finland's Lotas' ;)

Can you imagine what this guy will do to you in the hand to hand combat?

[Caraway]

Can you imagine what this guy will do to you in the hand to hand combat?
He WOULD kill me. That's why I'm training myself, even in reserve, to shoot accurately with assault rifle and pistol. I wish to kill him before he is arm's reach of me.

You knew Lottas! Good! woot

[2SARPQ]

In Portugal (Paratroopers) we don't have such a radical "training method"....we replaced the sticks, bricks and knifes with a 5.56mm Galil.... :D

Seriously.....respect is due to those guys....no question on that....

[fdt]

Do they let them LO jump over the Piter?
Why not?


Because its fockin' dangerous and can't be properly controlled. It looks like 300 m, not more. Over the plain OK, even 100 m is controlable (but hard) but over the center of the city?
Hopefully it was not the group drop... :P

[Jack Mehoff]

Try these. Those Asian people with their kung-fu
http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_143623.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_143804.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_143914.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_143955.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144131.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144251.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144514.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144727.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144820.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_145107.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_145257.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_145357.jpg


http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_145437.jpghttp://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_145522.jpg

[2Sheds_Jackson]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

[Marmot1]

Do they let them LO jump over the Piter?
Why not?


Because its fockin' dangerous and can't be properly controlled. It looks like 300 m, not more. Over the plain OK, even 100 m is controlable (but hard) but over the center of the city?
Hopefully it was not the group drop... :P

It is much higher than 300m...

look at this it is 520m and buldings still look closer than on this paratrooper photo. I bet it is something around 600-700m
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7629/chicago.JPG

[Catch22]

rofl Nice one 2Sheds

Jack - it doesn't look as KF for me - those guys are form Taiwan, and even this Alfred Wang guy mentioned they're in TKD/JJ rather than KF. There it says "chikwondo" (like some local mutation of TKD) on one of these guys doboks or whatever you call it... :roll:

[RomanS]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

hahahah

Accept when your ammo runs out, you call for help and cry.

They will put on their bayonets.


If their bayonets break, they prepare their fists.
After breaking bricks, boards, and glass, the human flash is like butter for them.

nothing is wrong with being jelaous about our guys.

[memphiz]

My question is, when a Russian soldier gets it trouble....how the hell are you suposed to punish him???
What havent they had done to them.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/119/p12a/b01p121f.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081b.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081i.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081g.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166e.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121f.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

I'm having a hard time to believe that every conscript soldier in the Russian military can perform like those guys in the pictures, because it takes years after years of martial art training to do that.

[RomanS]

I'm having a hard time to believe that every conscript soldier in the Russian military can perform like those guys in the pictures, because it takes years after years of martial art training to do that.

the photos and the topic is about Spetsnaz, and Elite Airborne of Russia.

[Undo]

I'm having a hard time to believe that every conscript soldier in the Russian military can perform like those guys in the pictures, because it takes years after years of martial art training to do that.

They are not. These are not your average conscripts, these are VDV, probably a special unit/Spetznas. Sambo is mean.

[Jack Mehoff]

I'm having a hard time to believe that every conscript soldier in the Russian military can perform like those guys in the pictures, because it takes years after years of martial art training to do that.

the photos and the topic is about Spetsnaz, and Elite Airborne of Russia.
So? Russian armed forces go to martial art dojos and recruit 18 year-old 2nd degree black belts for Spetsnaz training?

[Undo]

I'm having a hard time to believe that every conscript soldier in the Russian military can perform like those guys in the pictures, because it takes years after years of martial art training to do that.

the photos and the topic is about Spetsnaz, and Elite Airborne of Russia.
So? Russian armed forces go to martial art dojos and recruit 18 year-old 2nd degree black belts for Spetsnaz training?

Sometimes. Most Russian Spetznas are like Green Berets or Navy Seals, it is a calling that attracts people who are highly motivated. It is highly competative and some of the units require you to re-apply annually. Also, most of the guys are a bit older.

[ibstolidude]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

hahahah

Accept when your ammo runs out, you call for help and cry.

They will put on their bayonets.


If their bayonets break, they prepare their fists.
After breaking bricks, boards, and glass, the human flash is like butter for them.

nothing is wrong with being jelaous about our guys.
I am not worried. I will win on account of their exhaustion from climbing over the mountians of dead, to get to me, from my application of effective fire discipline - only to be shot by my secondary or that bayonet/gun-job that I certainly would steal the first chance I got.

Sorry but one statement is about as retarded as the next/other.

Nice pictures none the less.

[RomanS]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

hahahah

Accept when your ammo runs out, you call for help and cry.

They will put on their bayonets.


If their bayonets break, they prepare their fists.
After breaking bricks, boards, and glass, the human flash is like butter for them.

nothing is wrong with being jelaous about our guys.
I am not worried. I will win on account of their exhaustion from climbing over the mountians of dead, to get to me, from my application of effective fire discipline - only to be shot by my secondary or that bayonet/gun-job that I certainly would steal the first chance I got.

Sorry but one statement is about as retarded as the next/other.

Nice pictures none the less.

yeah tell this to Khattab's man who survived the height 776 near Ulus Kert

[StukaJr]

Also, one of the "positive" effects of dedovshina (hazing of the new recruits) forced many to pick up martial arts and strength training long before the conscription time - there is defenitely an insentive to be able to hold your own and gain respect, instead of going through the more than a year of having the floor wiped with you.

[Jack Mehoff]

"hazing" new recruits in Russian defintion is making new recruits stand still and beat the **** out of them. I really don't see how a martial art skill is going to help in that situation.

Besides, you might want to learn some fighting skill in any armed forces, because living with 50+ testosterone, ******-frustrated men is going to earn you a few fist fights.

[StukaJr]

Discipline and strong mind is one of the most important benefits of martial arts - that aspect alone helping through the hazing makes it worth it to take up - taking a two by four to the mid-section without a flinch will earn you respect very fast. Fear of "dedov" was kinda like a boogieman growing up - but more of a challenge to live up to if anything.

[usa320]

I tihnk its good Physical training, but its a waste of time and money. How often will they ever have to perform hand to hand combat...

The only account ive heard of in the past decade was a marine who got ina rummble with some talibans near khowst. He either stabbed em or hit them with a blunt object, i forget.

[koster]

I tihnk its good Physical training, but its a waste of time and money. How often will they ever have to perform hand to hand combat...

The only account ive heard of in the past decade was a marine who got ina rummble with some talibans near khowst. He either stabbed em or hit them with a blunt object, i forget.
like Permski said:

yeah tell this to Khattab's man who survived the height 776 near Ulus Kert

[Sergei]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

hahahah

Accept when your ammo runs out, you call for help and cry.

They will put on their bayonets.


If their bayonets break, they prepare their fists.
After breaking bricks, boards, and glass, the human flash is like butter for them.

nothing is wrong with being jelaous about our guys.
I am not worried. I will win on account of their exhaustion from climbing over the mountians of dead, to get to me, from my application of effective fire discipline - only to be shot by my secondary or that bayonet/gun-job that I certainly would steal the first chance I got.

Sorry but one statement is about as retarded as the next/other.

Nice pictures none the less.

Who told you that they will directly assault you? The airborne usually appears when you least expect them, and you wouldn't be able to scream for help nor draw your weapon before it is too late.
http://www.vrazvedka.ru/obrspn5/exercise/images/photo_01b.jpg

[oldsoak]

The Russians want to build self confidence and endurance. Western SF units attempt to do much the same thing, they just approach it differently.
rgds

[flickme]

man those russians scare me.

[droopy]

Just for the show those bricks and wood boards are specialy arranged.
Do you think that the human body is capable of more power than a jackhammer or a tank round to smash bricks 30-40cm wide plus it would break every bone in you hand.

It`s just for show/intimidating oponents and AFAIK only in the chines martial arts i don`t remeber brick smashing in samurai or ninja.
As for hand to hand combat i don`t know how many of you were in a seriuos street fight but i can tell you from personal experience that stones,bottles,wire evrething can be used as a weapon i remeber that once i was hit by a piece of brick in my right eye i couldn`t see with it for hours :fork:

You are never short of "weapons" and you will never fight with your bare hands in peace or in war if you are smart.

[ghost_33]

Martial arts training builds confidence and aggressiveness and is very
useful for that.We do the same in the US.

As for Russian soldiers on the pics, it's a parade and a show but also can
tell you what those people can do when they are serious.

Good pictures!

[Jack Mehoff]

True, martial art training is a good tool to build confidence and agressiveness. If I ever get into a situation in combat where i have to use h2h, I think I'd stick with my knife, gun, kevlar and etool to hack my opponent to death than my high flying TKD kicks.

[Rnagerrick]

Whats a 1950s era West German soldier doing with an AK74??? lol
Those soviets are nuts, awesome though.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with tough physical training...and it is kind of cool to watch.

But it all has a very homo-erotic overtone to it..what with the big sweaty mens with their shirts off, aggressive posturing etc. Freud could have a field day with these guys...something about "overcompensating"...

[Sergei]

Just for the show those bricks and wood boards are specialy arranged.
Do you think that the human body is capable of more power than a jackhammer or a tank round to smash bricks 30-40cm wide plus it would break every bone in you hand.

It`s just for show/intimidating oponents and AFAIK only in the chines martial arts i don`t remeber brick smashing in samurai or ninja.
As for hand to hand combat i don`t know how many of you were in a seriuos street fight but i can tell you from personal experience that stones,bottles,wire evrething can be used as a weapon i remeber that once i was hit by a piece of brick in my right eye i couldn`t see with it for hours :fork:

You are never short of "weapons" and you will never fight with your bare hands in peace or in war if you are smart.

What if they send you on a recon mission where stealth and quietness is important? Shooting and giving your location is not the way to do it, so what will you do then?

[Hugh Jorgan]

http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144727.jpg

See anything funny here? Lower left.

[ibstolidude]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

hahahah

Accept when your ammo runs out, you call for help and cry.

They will put on their bayonets.


If their bayonets break, they prepare their fists.
After breaking bricks, boards, and glass, the human flash is like butter for them.

nothing is wrong with being jelaous about our guys.
I am not worried. I will win on account of their exhaustion from climbing over the mountians of dead, to get to me, from my application of effective fire discipline - only to be shot by my secondary or that bayonet/gun-job that I certainly would steal the first chance I got.

Sorry but one statement is about as retarded as the next/other.

Nice pictures none the less.

Who told you that they will directly assault you? The airborne usually appears when you least expect them, and you wouldn't be able to scream for help nor draw your weapon before it is too late.
http://www.vrazvedka.ru/obrspn5/exercise/images/photo_01b.jpg
Seeing how I speak fairly fluent russian and ukranian (taught by native speakers and spoken with or so my russian friends have told, me a ukranian accent), have worked extensively with both russian and ukranian forces to include their airborne and Spetnaz (Not to mention other former soviet union states) - who says they'll even find me?

What I posted was MEANT to be a joke - what you guys posted just ended up being jokes. - but don't worry if I like the man posted in your picture ever wander around on my own looking around casually and call it guarding, I will be certain to be afraid - however it is not likley I would ever do that.

Perhaps rather than telling me how I will be killed (yea -sure - hasn't happened, not going to happen) you could take a minute to re-read the responses that prompted my comment. You are wasting your time trying to pick on the wrong guy.

[Jack Mehoff]

http://funimg.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/PLANE/a/l/20040425_alfred1980_144727.jpg

See anything funny here? Lower left.


They all wearing white pajamas.

[Jack Mehoff]

But it all has a very homo-erotic overtone to it..what with the big sweaty mens with their shirts off, aggressive posturing etc. Freud could have a field day with these guys...something about "overcompensating"...

Hey!!! http://www.nick5768.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[droopy]

About that picture i can say 69.

About a silent take down i would use a supressor or a arrow or a ninja sword or tranquilizer dart or ...

[DE_Six]

What if they send you on a recon mission where stealth and quietness is important? Shooting and giving your location is not the way to do it, so what will you do then?

Never heard of suppressed weapons? What's more, the Russian arsenal is ripe with special purpose suppressed weapons, like the AS Val, the VSK-94, the VSS, the APSB...I think the spetsnaz probably rely more on such weapons than on martial arts for silent take down.

Cheers

[Saranof]

What if they send you on a recon mission where stealth and quietness is important? Shooting and giving your location is not the way to do it, so what will you do then?

Never heard of suppressed weapons? What's more, the Russian arsenal is ripe with special purpose suppressed weapons, like the AS Val, the VSK-94, the VSS, the APSB...I think the spetsnaz probably rely more on such weapons than on martial arts for silent take down.

Cheers

For sure, but it's not about that. What if you run out of ammo?
More importantl,y it's for building their self confidence. If you can chop bricks in half with yer bare hands, it would make you a tad bit more confident in killing enemys ;)

[DE_Six]

I know it's for building self-confidence and aggressiveness, and I'm sure it does a very good job at that.

I just find it dubious when someone suggests that such skills be purposefully used in an offensive manner (such as taking down a sentry, for example) when better alternatives, like suppressed weapons, exist.

If you're out of ammo and about to be overrun, silence is the least concern, isn't it? And if you are not in such a desperate situation as to resort to bare hands in a firefight, evasive maneuvers (ie, sneaking out) is preferable to taking on the enemy unarmed.

[RomanS]

STOP THE MADNESS !!!

[Undo]

I know it's for building self-confidence and aggressiveness, and I'm sure it does a very good job at that.

I just find it dubious when someone suggests that such skills be purposefully used in an offensive manner (such as taking down a sentry, for example) when better alternatives, like suppressed weapons, exist.

If you're out of ammo and about to be overrun, silence is the least concern, isn't it? And if you are not in such a desperate situation as to resort to bare hands in a firefight, evasive maneuvers (ie, sneaking out) is preferable to taking on the enemy unarmed.

Taking prisoners. Often done using H2H skills, and done by Russian troops more often than most other armies at the present time, I think.

I can personally attest that having your ass beat H2H by Russian recon troops is no fun.

[DE_Six]

Taking prisoners. Often done using H2H skills, and done by Russian troops more often than most other armies at the present time, I think.

Interesting. I didn't know that. I read a few things about prisoner snatch in Vietnam, and I remember reading somewhere that some Spn soldiers during the Cold War were specially trained in west-european languages, and should the war go hot, they would infiltrate NATO countries to capture officers and high-profile personnel. However, I envisioned they would probably use weapons and tranquilizers to subdue their target, not a karate chop to the head.



I can personally attest that having your ass beat H2H by Russian recon troops is no fun.
I have no doubt about that, none. p-)

[StukaJr]

Oy! This gotta stop!

Never in my life have I heard anyone complain about having too many options available in combat - having an extra weapon in your arsenal that requires minimal maintanance and is always readily available can't be too bad of a thing. This is a demonstration of person's fitness and abilities - such feats would equally translate to soldier's excellence in combat situation using weapons and make them a lot more deadly than just those relying on weapons alone.

These pictures show dedication and intensive training - just think how they train in more common military arts.

[RomanS]

I can personally attest that having your ass beat H2H by Russian recon troops is no fun

but you never said NO when they asked.

Commander was impressed, he said you're the man. 42 seconds with their best. I WAS FREAKIN RPOUD MORE THAN THEM about you UNDO. I was representing you all to them.

Everyone got their wings that night. Even Groza went one on one.

[Undo]

Groza won that bout. Three chipped teeth and a busted lip for that left-handed guy.

[RomanS]

Groza won that bout. Three chipped teeth and a busted lip for that left-handed guy.

no videos !

no photos !

[droopy]

Groza won that bout. Three chipped teeth and a busted lip for that left-handed guy.
wow now that`s training ... for the dentist

[csqnsas]

No use in combat???

Try reading the book "The Devils Brigade" about the UK designed, US and Canadian manned First Special Service force.

they were taught H2H by an ex Shanghi policeman! Called O'Brion I think.

Anybody have a commando knife? Based on the original Shanghi fighting knife - Sykes-Fairbairn Commando Knife


http://home.att.net/~lai.r/sykes.htm


Read the book to find out how they [/quote]I killed tht Kraut with an O'Brion to the balls


For fun some of the Force used to challenge US Marines to a fight.

The leatherneck could use his knife/bayonet, the Forceman his bare hands.

The Force men had a fine collection of Marine knives!

[ibstolidude]

STOP THE MADNESS !!!
Finally a lone voice of reasons speaks up from the crowds.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

But it all has a very homo-erotic overtone to it..what with the big sweaty mens with their shirts off, aggressive posturing etc. Freud could have a field day with these guys...something about "overcompensating"...

Hey!!! http://www.nick5768.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

rofl

Hey, I'm just bein' a jackass. But then, that pic with the dudes chin wedged in the other dude's crevice didn’t help things...

[Rebel 7]

One more.

http://desantura.ru/4images/data/media/2/05.jpg

Is this really very practical training? Seems like they are training for Rambo XII.

:lol: I think he's venting frustration. He should have tried professional boxing, his head is immune to hits.....

[Rebel 7]

That's good, the way they are able to jump and kick and such.

This will come in handy if they're ever attacked by stationary piles of strategically stacked cinderblocks, or if a battle depends upon quickly breaking several small wooden squares held steady by the enemy.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hahaha.....

[Rebel 7]

My question is, when a Russian soldier gets it trouble....how the hell are you suposed to punish him???
What havent they had done to them.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/119/p12a/b01p121f.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081b.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121a.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081i.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/b02081g.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166e.jpg

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/b02121f.jpg


My question is, when a Russian soldier gets it trouble....how the hell are you suposed to punish him???

Use American torture tactics....lock them up in a room and force them to watch 2 hours of Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman....

[RomanS]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

[Rebel 7]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

[RomanS]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ?

[DE_Six]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ?

Weren't you the voice of reason calling for us to stop the madness, mate? ;)

We did, please do so, too. Don't bite.

[Rebel 7]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ?

Rusty Ak-47's dude! Last time I checked it was made by some Russian named Kalashnikov who now makes umbrellas.lol
Here, do a little research and stop talking so much ****....find out how many stingers were actually sent to Massoud and how many were used by Massoud?! Most of them were shipped to Gulbudeen and were used by his men in the south. In Panjshir, your hinds were as effective as a Kalashnikov umbrella on a windy day.....since the Panjshir valley is mountainous and the Hinds had difficulty manuevering......
Enough of your hinds were shot down to embarrass your impotent leaders....but how would you know since at the time the USSR barred freedom of press......
Some of your tank corpses are being used as toilets in the south (what they really should be used for!) and the russian cargo plane turned truck was also another embarrassment.....

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........
Tell me, how embarrassed was the Soviet Union, that they didn't even allow their Afghan KIAs to be buried alongside their soldiers KIAed during WW2?
Sending home empty coffins to weeping Russian mothers (who were told they could not open the coffin) and killing and displacing hundreds of thousands of Afghans and sending the country into a civil war is the result of this war that your so-called brave soldiers took part in.....
Do you ever wonder what your country helped achieve after the Afghan war besides it own demise and the near destruction of a society and people......

[RomanS]

I stoped untill this Rebel showed up with his bad breath

[LJK]

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A suppressed pistol could be better for those jobs... Or try to do those things with a full combat gear. ;)

[RomanS]

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........


Of course, when you start loosing you all turn into this bull**** with civilians, and terrorism.

[Rebel 7]

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........


Of course, when you start loosing you all turn into this bull**** with civilians, and terrorism.

Bull****? Dude, millions of Afghans were displaced. That is a fact. If you don't believe that, then you are smoking something really good. Today, the country is dealing with Afghans returning in huge numbers from Pakistan, Iran, India, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan (in the millions). All these people didn't leave the country because the Russians came with maps for new roads and bridges, or with plans to help build the country and work towards a better relationship with the Afghans. They left because a Russia came in with some of the most lethal weapons on earth to force their control of the Afghan government even at the cost of millions of lives. Villages were destroyed, and families killed, crops and irrigation systems purposely destroyed to force the Afghans through hunger into submission. This is a fact. Even the Spr Obn guy clearly stated in one of his previous posts that the Russian Army DID use TERROR to strike fear among the population and resistance. What the hell do you think terror is? It isn't giving candy to the children of villagers, its using brutal measures to scare people into not resisting. If the Russian soldiers were as humane as the Americans are, why the hell did millions of Afghans leave the country when the Soviets invaded and yet millions are returning now that the Americans are there. Surely, there has to be something wrong here since you claim that your Russian soldiers were as humane to the Afghan population as the American soldiers are. Why aren't millions of Afghans displaced now that the Americans are there uh? Care to explain that?!

What did the Afghans do to the Russians before we were invaded? We didn't terrorize your nation for you to have a legitimate excuse to invade the country, we didn't have any bin ladens or gulbudeens or talibs or mullah omars. These all came after the Soviet-Afghan war as a RESULT of the Soviet-Afghan war. Before that, none of the bacteria (ie. Talibs, mullah omar, bin laden) existed. We kept to ourselves and actually had a good relationship with the Soviet Union government, that is until you guys invaded us. Do you know that some Pashtun Afghan generals (ie. General Tanai, etc.) you guys trained were fighting in the Taliban and were resposible for the Taliban being trained in things such as driving tanks, helicopters, etc that were left for these generals as a gift by the Soviets. Do some research on General Tanai and you'll know what I am talking about. If these generals you guys trained weren't there, the Taliban would have just been a bunch of Madrassa dropouts who couldn't fire a water pistol let alone a gun. The sad thing is that today, the chechen terrorists giving your country so much ****, the Tailbs and Al Qaida who are giving the US so much **** is not the result of Afghanistan attacking the Russians, but the Russians invading Afghanistan. Bin Laden, Gulbudeen, the Taliban, Mullah Omar, crazy Chechen terrorists, were the result of this war and we have you, your army, your soldiers, and your country to thank.

Oh, and no hard feelings.....

[RomanS]

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........


Of course, when you start loosing you all turn into this bull**** with civilians, and terrorism.

Bull****? Dude, millions of Afghans were displaced. That is a fact. If you don't believe that, then you are smoking something really good. Today, the country is dealing with Afghans returning in huge numbers from Pakistan, Iran, India, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan (in the millions). All these people didn't leave the country because the Russians came with maps for new roads and bridges, or with plans to help build the country and work towards a better relationship with the Afghans. They left because a Russia came in with some of the most lethal weapons on earth to force their control of the Afghan government even at the cost of millions of lives. Villages were destroyed, and families killed, crops and irrigation systems purposely destroyed to force the Afghans through hunger into submission. This is a fact. Even the Spr Obn guy clearly stated in one of his previous posts that the Russian Army DID use TERROR to strike fear among the population and resistance. What the hell do you think terror is? It isn't giving candy to the children of villagers, its using brutal measures to scare people into not resisting. If the Russian soldiers were as humane as the Americans are, why the hell did millions of Afghans leave the country when the Soviets invaded and yet millions are returning now that the Americans are there. Surely, there has to be something wrong here since you claim that your Russian soldiers were as humane to the Afghan population as the American soldiers are. Why aren't millions of Afghans displaced now that the Americans are there uh? Care to explain that?!

What did the Afghans do to the Russians before we were invaded? We didn't terrorize your nation for you to have a legitimate excuse to invade the country, we didn't have any bin ladens or gulbudeens or talibs or mullah omars. These all came after the Soviet-Afghan war as a RESULT of the Soviet-Afghan war. Before that, none of the bacteria (ie. Talibs, mullah omar, bin laden) existed. We kept to ourselves and actually had a good relationship with the Soviet Union government, that is until you guys invaded us. Do you know that some Pashtun Afghan generals (ie. General Tanai, etc.) you guys trained were fighting in the Taliban and were resposible for the Taliban being trained in things such as driving tanks, helicopters, etc that were left for these generals as a gift by the Soviets. Do some research on General Tanai and you'll know what I am talking about. If these generals you guys trained weren't there, the Taliban would have just been a bunch of Madrassa dropouts who couldn't fire a water pistol let alone a gun. The sad thing is that today, the chechen terrorists giving your country so much ****, the Tailbs and Al Qaida who are giving the US so much **** is not the result of Afghanistan attacking the Russians, but the Russians invading Afghanistan. Bin Laden, Gulbudeen, the Taliban, Mullah Omar, crazy Chechen terrorists, were the result of this war and we have you, your army, your soldiers, and your country to thank.

Oh, and no hard feelings.....

Rebel, i'd check your facts first though.

You are accusing Russians for creating Ben Laden, Mula Omar, and taliban? My friend, come on. Its like saying Russia is responsible for Hitler, and a bomb on Hiroshima.

Do you remember Kabul in the 70's? They had civilization. Movie theaters, museums, universities, female didnt have to cover their faces and were treated eually. Afganistan was actually civil. Untill the assholes came down from the mountains and threw a monkey wrench into the beautiful cities.

Tell me I'm wrong, come on. What was the Afghanistan like before the mudjahadeens came down from the mountains? And I remember Afghani government asking Soviets for help.

We made 2 mistakes.

1. We went there

2. Since we did, we should of never get out, and finish the mujaheds there. Maybe Ben Laden would of never organized the 9-11, because he would of been dead.

Sure the Soviet Union would of collapsed no matter what, but look at the countries where Soviet Rule was installed. What happened to them after the wall went down?

I can only think of good things. I don't see them complaining how bad the new democratic way of life is. Most of the Soviet bloc countries are now industrilized, edcuated, and living the new way of life on their own.

What happened in Afganistan? Taliban, Al-queda- Russia's fault? I guess we should of stayed and finished them all, huh?

[ibstolidude]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ? few american arms were shipped to the Muj in a-stan during the soviet occupation - the bulk were non-us weapons from other previous engagements and from "deals"

[RomanS]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ? few american arms were shipped to the Muj in a-stan during the soviet occupation - the bulk were non-us weapons from other previous engagements and from "deals"

I heard rumors that US tried to field test the new M16 A2s in Afghanistan, by giving some to the mudjaheds. Can anyone confirm this?

[Rebel 7]

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[Rebel 7]

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........


Of course, when you start loosing you all turn into this bull**** with civilians, and terrorism.

Bull****? Dude, millions of Afghans were displaced. That is a fact. If you don't believe that, then you are smoking something really good. Today, the country is dealing with Afghans returning in huge numbers from Pakistan, Iran, India, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan (in the millions). All these people didn't leave the country because the Russians came with maps for new roads and bridges, or with plans to help build the country and work towards a better relationship with the Afghans. They left because a Russia came in with some of the most lethal weapons on earth to force their control of the Afghan government even at the cost of millions of lives. Villages were destroyed, and families killed, crops and irrigation systems purposely destroyed to force the Afghans through hunger into submission. This is a fact. Even the Spr Obn guy clearly stated in one of his previous posts that the Russian Army DID use TERROR to strike fear among the population and resistance. What the hell do you think terror is? It isn't giving candy to the children of villagers, its using brutal measures to scare people into not resisting. If the Russian soldiers were as humane as the Americans are, why the hell did millions of Afghans leave the country when the Soviets invaded and yet millions are returning now that the Americans are there. Surely, there has to be something wrong here since you claim that your Russian soldiers were as humane to the Afghan population as the American soldiers are. Why aren't millions of Afghans displaced now that the Americans are there uh? Care to explain that?!

What did the Afghans do to the Russians before we were invaded? We didn't terrorize your nation for you to have a legitimate excuse to invade the country, we didn't have any bin ladens or gulbudeens or talibs or mullah omars. These all came after the Soviet-Afghan war as a RESULT of the Soviet-Afghan war. Before that, none of the bacteria (ie. Talibs, mullah omar, bin laden) existed. We kept to ourselves and actually had a good relationship with the Soviet Union government, that is until you guys invaded us. Do you know that some Pashtun Afghan generals (ie. General Tanai, etc.) you guys trained were fighting in the Taliban and were resposible for the Taliban being trained in things such as driving tanks, helicopters, etc that were left for these generals as a gift by the Soviets. Do some research on General Tanai and you'll know what I am talking about. If these generals you guys trained weren't there, the Taliban would have just been a bunch of Madrassa dropouts who couldn't fire a water pistol let alone a gun. The sad thing is that today, the chechen terrorists giving your country so much ****, the Tailbs and Al Qaida who are giving the US so much **** is not the result of Afghanistan attacking the Russians, but the Russians invading Afghanistan. Bin Laden, Gulbudeen, the Taliban, Mullah Omar, crazy Chechen terrorists, were the result of this war and we have you, your army, your soldiers, and your country to thank.

Oh, and no hard feelings.....

Rebel, i'd check your facts first though.

You are accusing Russians for creating Ben Laden, Mula Omar, and taliban? My friend, come on. Its like saying Russia is responsible for Hitler, and a bomb on Hiroshima.

Do you remember Kabul in the 70's? They had civilization. Movie theaters, museums, universities, female didnt have to cover their faces and were treated eually. Afganistan was actually civil. Untill the assholes came down from the mountains and threw a monkey wrench into the beautiful cities.

Tell me I'm wrong, come on. What was the Afghanistan like before the mudjahadeens came down from the mountains? And I remember Afghani government asking Soviets for help.

We made 2 mistakes.

1. We went there

2. Since we did, we should of never get out, and finish the mujaheds there. Maybe Ben Laden would of never organized the 9-11, because he would of been dead.

Sure the Soviet Union would of collapsed no matter what, but look at the countries where Soviet Rule was installed. What happened to them after the wall went down?

I can only think of good things. I don't see them complaining how bad the new democratic way of life is. Most of the Soviet bloc countries are now industrilized, edcuated, and living the new way of life on their own.

What happened in Afganistan? Taliban, Al-queda- Russia's fault? I guess we should of stayed and finished them all, huh?

I don't claim Russia directly created the Taliban, the fact is they didn't. What they did was set the stage for these people to come and take over. I did say it was the result of this Soviet-Afghan war. I think if that war hadn't happened, both our countries would be doing better than it is now. What happened once the Soviet-Afghan war broke out is something that I doubt could ever have been avoided. But it was that initial invasion that set the stage. Are Russian soldiers some of the toughest badasses out there? Yes! Is Russian military hardware some of the most lethal weapons on earth? Yes! However, with that said, the Soviet Union made two huge mistakes that caused the country (Afghanistan) to rise against them.

1) At the time (late 70's) the government of Taraki and later Hafizullah Amin were brutalizing the population even before the Soviet invasion and when the Soviets invaded, they supported this government (but killed Amin and replaced him with Babrak) which was already brutalizing its own people...thus the Soviets became the bad guys to Afghans at the start of the war.

2) The Khalqis and Parchamis (the name the communist groups in Afghanistan were called) forced communism upon the population. The people of Afghanistan did not know much about communism aside from the fact that it didn't allow freedom of worship. The Afghans begin devout Muslims felt this as a threat to their beliefs. The Soviets were communists and thus seen as Godless and add the fact that they were supporting a government that was brutalizing its own people and you have planted the seeds for a revolt and resistance.

There is an old saying that goes, "Oppression is the seed of revolts." When a government oppresses its own people, a foreign nation is entering its own doom to think that they can support that brutal government and not have the people of that nation rise against them.

Yes, you are right, Kabul in the 70s was well developed. The Russians and Afghans had very good relations but the invasion destroyed that. Today, for the fact that both Afghans and Russians, and Americans share a common enemy (the Taliban, Al Qaida, and even the Chechens are hated by Afghans since they were in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban), all three have united to fight terrorism in its respective regions and beyond.

To me, nowadays, I see Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as the greatest threats to Afghanistan. They were the ones who funded the madrassas that trained the Taliban, the Chechens to go into Afghanistan and terroize it, to go into Russia and brutalize it and to go into the States and attack it. Time brings change and the evidence of the Russians and Americans and Afghans fighting a common enemy is evidence of that.

btw....I originally made the mistake of bringing the issue of the Soviet war on this forum when I should have been more focused on current politcial issues rather than something that happened 20+ years ago......I tried not to bring it up again since I realized it was pointless.....however my reply now and bringing up the issue again was in response to your disrespect of a man (Massoud) who fought the same enemies (chechens) who are now brutalizing your people, the same enemies that attacked and killed 3000 Americans, and the same enemies who almost turned Afghanistan into a permanent nest for terrorists.......

[Rebel 7]

Rebel

the guy in your avatar is sure familiar with those who wear the blue berets.

His poopshoot always got smaller when our Airborne came to fight his mudjahadeens.

Yeah, I guess that explains why your fruity blue beret guys couldn't take Panjshir uh! Tell me, how many offensives was it again bud?! Seems like the impotent commies couldn't take over a valley guarded by men shooting rusty AK's taken from dead Russian soldiers......

Rusty AKS? I remember Afganies rejecting the American weapons. The only American weapon they admired was the stinger. Because our Hinds kept sending your people back to your GOD faster than you were born.

And as for the casualties, shall we compare ? few american arms were shipped to the Muj in a-stan during the soviet occupation - the bulk were non-us weapons from other previous engagements and from "deals"

The irony is that most of those weapons never reached the resistance. Today in Pakistan, you can viist a weapons shop and find crates of guns labelled for the Afghan resistance being sold there. The Pakistani intelligence service agency, the ISI, wasn't being monitored and did as they wished with both the weapons and the money meant for the resistance. Most of the money was either pocketed, used as funds for (yep you guessed it) madrassas used to train the Taliban, or used to buy new weapons for the Pakistani army. The shiny new guns were given off to the Pakistani soldiers while the Pakistanis sent their rusty guns to the Afghan resistance. The money and weapons were not as properly distributed as it is claimed in the West. Advice to the US the next time they decide to funnel money through a third party.....make sure that third party isn't a country that can barely feed its own people......cuz if it is....don't expect the money to arrive to the intended client.....

[Rebel 7]

Casualties of course were greater on the Afghan side dude, because you invaded us and ended up killing more civilians than you can count........


Of course, when you start loosing you all turn into this bull**** with civilians, and terrorism.

Bull****? Dude, millions of Afghans were displaced. That is a fact. If you don't believe that, then you are smoking something really good. Today, the country is dealing with Afghans returning in huge numbers from Pakistan, Iran, India, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan (in the millions). All these people didn't leave the country because the Russians came with maps for new roads and bridges, or with plans to help build the country and work towards a better relationship with the Afghans. They left because a Russia came in with some of the most lethal weapons on earth to force their control of the Afghan government even at the cost of millions of lives. Villages were destroyed, and families killed, crops and irrigation systems purposely destroyed to force the Afghans through hunger into submission. This is a fact. Even the Spr Obn guy clearly stated in one of his previous posts that the Russian Army DID use TERROR to strike fear among the population and resistance. What the hell do you think terror is? It isn't giving candy to the children of villagers, its using brutal measures to scare people into not resisting. If the Russian soldiers were as humane as the Americans are, why the hell did millions of Afghans leave the country when the Soviets invaded and yet millions are returning now that the Americans are there. Surely, there has to be something wrong here since you claim that your Russian soldiers were as humane to the Afghan population as the American soldiers are. Why aren't millions of Afghans displaced now that the Americans are there uh? Care to explain that?!

What did the Afghans do to the Russians before we were invaded? We didn't terrorize your nation for you to have a legitimate excuse to invade the country, we didn't have any bin ladens or gulbudeens or talibs or mullah omars. These all came after the Soviet-Afghan war as a RESULT of the Soviet-Afghan war. Before that, none of the bacteria (ie. Talibs, mullah omar, bin laden) existed. We kept to ourselves and actually had a good relationship with the Soviet Union government, that is until you guys invaded us. Do you know that some Pashtun Afghan generals (ie. General Tanai, etc.) you guys trained were fighting in the Taliban and were resposible for the Taliban being trained in things such as driving tanks, helicopters, etc that were left for these generals as a gift by the Soviets. Do some research on General Tanai and you'll know what I am talking about. If these generals you guys trained weren't there, the Taliban would have just been a bunch of Madrassa dropouts who couldn't fire a water pistol let alone a gun. The sad thing is that today, the chechen terrorists giving your country so much ****, the Tailbs and Al Qaida who are giving the US so much **** is not the result of Afghanistan attacking the Russians, but the Russians invading Afghanistan. Bin Laden, Gulbudeen, the Taliban, Mullah Omar, crazy Chechen terrorists, were the result of this war and we have you, your army, your soldiers, and your country to thank.

Oh, and no hard feelings.....

Rebel, i'd check your facts first though.

You are accusing Russians for creating Ben Laden, Mula Omar, and taliban? My friend, come on. Its like saying Russia is responsible for Hitler, and a bomb on Hiroshima.

Do you remember Kabul in the 70's? They had civilization. Movie theaters, museums, universities, female didnt have to cover their faces and were treated eually. Afganistan was actually civil. Untill the assholes came down from the mountains and threw a monkey wrench into the beautiful cities.

Tell me I'm wrong, come on. What was the Afghanistan like before the mudjahadeens came down from the mountains? And I remember Afghani government asking Soviets for help.

We made 2 mistakes.

1. We went there

2. Since we did, we should of never get out, and finish the mujaheds there. Maybe Ben Laden would of never organized the 9-11, because he would of been dead.

Sure the Soviet Union would of collapsed no matter what, but look at the countries where Soviet Rule was installed. What happened to them after the wall went down?

I can only think of good things. I don't see them complaining how bad the new democratic way of life is. Most of the Soviet bloc countries are now industrilized, edcuated, and living the new way of life on their own.

What happened in Afganistan? Taliban, Al-queda- Russia's fault? I guess we should of stayed and finished them all, huh?

Oh and to answer your last question....what you should have done was invade Pakistan, and **** that rotting roach nest. It would have eased some of the problems both our countries are facing. Where do you think the chechen terrorists got their training, funding and brainwashing? Yep, the Pakistani madrassas. What region do you think the Taliban would have advanced on had they gained 100% control of Afghanistan? They would have advanced and attacked the Central Asian republics and would have caused greater problems for Russia. I have a video clip of a Pakistani soldier caught in Afghanistan fighting on the Taliban side being interrogated and when asked what they would do if they took full control of Afghanistan, the Pakistani soldier replies, "Adance and attack Tajikistan. This is what my superiors in Pakistan told us to do." I believe they also found a map on this Pakistani soldier comfirming his claim since the map had routes into Tajikistan from inside Afghanistan. I'll see if I can find the clip and quote him word for word......

[Sergei]

Here we go again,
this **** is getting old and tiresome.