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nu4idf
03-14-2007, 07:43 PM
IDF shows flaws in Peace Now report
By AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF (editors@jpost.com)
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A military database released to the left-wing anti-settlement organization Peace Now under court pressure shows that very little private land was seized from Palestinians to build Israel's largest West Bank settlement, the watchdog group reported on Wednesday.
The new numbers are vastly smaller than numbers Peace Now issued in a November report based on leaked information.
In November, Peace Now claimed that 86 percent of Ma'aleh Adumim was built on private Palestinian land. After successfully petitioning the court to see the database, the group reported Wednesday that data show that only 0.5% of the settlement was built on private land.
Read Peace Now general secretary's JPost blog (http://blogcentral.jpost.com/index.php?blog_id=65) "The first report they released had major mistakes," said Capt. Zidki Maman, spokesman for the Civil Administration in the West Bank.
Israeli settlements are one of the most contentious issues between Israel and the Palestinians. In 1979, the Supreme Court outlawed the seizure of privately owned Palestinian land for settlement purposes.
Dror Etkes, Peace Now's settlement expert, said that if the original information it published was inaccurate, then the IDF was to blame for refusing to release the database until the court ordered it to do so after the November report.
The original report said that 130 settlements were constructed either entirely or partly on approximately 60 thousand dunams of private Palestinian land, thus rendering them illegal according to the 1979 court ruling.
According to the report, Palestinian land accounts for 40 percent of the land used for settlements.
"The claim by the State and settlers that the settlements have been constructed on state land is misleading and false," the group said on its Web site. "The vast majority of settlement construction was done against the law of the land and the Supreme Court ruling and therefore unauthorized."
The organization also claimed that the State of Israel had been aware of these facts for years, but hid them "for fear that the revelation of these facts could damage its international relations."
The Civil Administration sent an official letter in response, saying that "the report mentions the fact that prior to 1979, some of the settlements had indeed been established as the result of injunctions that allowed for the seizure of land for military purposes, and for the most part, this was privately held land. However, it is important to point out that at some point in time it was made clear that a large section of this land was State land and the issue of those court orders had not been necessary at all."
The Civil Administration noted that the Peace Now report was full of inaccuracies, and implied that it had included in its figures outposts that the state considered illegal.
"There are only 120 settlements in Judea and Samaria," the letter said.
"For a number of years, the Civil Administration routinely examined the status of land prior to approving planning procedures and/or prior to allocating land," the letter stated. "This is done carrying out an in-depth re-examination of the status of the land in order to ensure that no harm comes to or use is made of privately held Palestinian land for the needs of Israeli settlement."
I can honestly say that these Peace Now aka APEASEMENT NOW activist have got it all wrong, just look at gaza and southern lebanon. Look at the This article, they can finally shut them up!

Mr.Flint
03-14-2007, 07:46 PM
Bah those arseholes wont shuddup ever... and sadly theyll never learn...

Mr. Nielsen
03-14-2007, 10:01 PM
Whoever bought the land it is still palestinian along with East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank.

NimDod
03-15-2007, 03:16 AM
Whoever bought the land it is still palestinian along with East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank.

does that include the areas in Hebron that used to belong to jews and were waken from them in the 1929 riots by force?
or when "Palestinians" took land by force it was okay?

nu4idf
03-15-2007, 06:48 AM
does that include the areas in Hebron that used to belong to jews and were waken from them in the 1929 riots by force?
or when "Palestinians" took land by force it was okay?

ZING!!!:bash:

Mr. Nielsen
03-15-2007, 07:13 AM
does that include the areas in Hebron that used to belong to jews and were waken from them in the 1929 riots by force?
or when "Palestinians" took land by force it was okay?
The descendents of those that lived there in 1929 then should have a right to return and/or compensation for lost property. Just like the 10.000 jews and 750.000 palestinians that became victims of etnic cleansing in 1948.

However the present fundamentalist settler gang in Hebron doesn't have much to do with the jews that originally lived there. So no right of return for them.

* As an afterthought I'm not sure that international law of 1929 would give the jews of Hebron a right of return. International law was stiffened after ww2, so perhaps it's only then refugees and victims of etnic cleansing were given the right to return.

NimDod
03-15-2007, 10:38 AM
* As an afterthought I'm not sure that international law of 1929 would give the jews of Hebron a right of return. International law was stiffened after ww2, so perhaps it's only then refugees and victims of etnic cleansing were given the right to return.

cute.
start a war, lose it, and call it an etnic cleansing.
while the 1929 massacres were simple "loss of property"
youre double standards never fail to amaze me.

I wonder if one would fight in such passion for other populations whp lost their homes in other conflicts...

by the way, even though I dont like the Hebron's Jewish population's behavior (at least as it reflects by Israeli TV), some of them are descendants of the original jewish Hebron rightful inhabitants.

Mr. Nielsen
03-15-2007, 12:10 PM
cute.
start a war, lose it, and call it an etnic cleansing.
while the 1929 massacres were simple "loss of property"
youre double standards never fail to amaze me.
Exactly who started the war. It wasn't the palestinian that started taking over someone elses land.

Besides the etnic cleansing of the palestinians had been ongoing for half a year before the arab states intervened.



I wonder if one would fight in such passion for other populations whp lost their homes in other conflicts...
In the balcans there have been put some effort (including the 1999 Kosovo intervention by NATO) into having the victims of etnic cleansing returning to their homes.

Hollis
03-15-2007, 12:13 PM
Exactly who started the war. It wasn't the palestinian that started taking over someone elses land.

Besides the etnic cleansing of the palestinians had been ongoing for half a year before the arab states intervened.


In the balcans there have been put some effort (including the 1999 Kosovo intervention by NATO) into having the victims of etnic cleansing returning to their homes.


wow someone actually believes Hamas' propaganda.

Palmach
03-15-2007, 02:59 PM
wow someone actually believes Hamas' propaganda.

What do you mean, "believes"? People like Nielsen actally produce the propaganda Hamas puts to use.

Snoshi
03-15-2007, 03:29 PM
Nielsens commnets would fit perfecltly in some Iranian forums

Mastermind
03-15-2007, 04:40 PM
Yoiks! Here we go .... I just wonder what it is going to take for the Western world to awaken. I quite honestly don't think it will in time to stop these lunatics. MM

IsraDani
03-15-2007, 05:18 PM
Peace now lying, what a newsp-)
Now: who is really creating hatred?

Palmach
03-15-2007, 05:23 PM
Peace now lying, what a newsp-)
Now: who is really creating hatred?

Big surprise - an organisation fiananced by foreign powers not entirely friendly to the state is falsifying information in order to cast the policy of the state in a negative light. Wow. Impossible.

In a normal coutry they'd have to register as agents of influence, but in Israel - where PM's wife is a member of the organization in question, PM's son is a draft-dodger, and PM's daughter is a member of a group who's explicit perpose is to interfere with the security measures of the IDF - well, in Israel they can operate with impunity.