Hr 1022 Assault Weapon Ban Update***

[joelz]

The bill now has 26 co sponsors. Keep writing your reps guys.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.01022:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01022:@@@P

Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-23] - 3/9/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 3/9/2007
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 3/7/2007
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] - 3/13/2007
Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] - 3/13/2007
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-14] - 3/9/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/7/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 3/7/2007
Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/13/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/7/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/7/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] - 3/13/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 3/13/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] - 3/9/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-8] - 3/13/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 3/7/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 3/7/2007
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 3/9/2007

[Sir Zach of R.]

I contacted Kansas Rep Todd Tiarht a little over 3 weeks ago and asked about his opinions on 1022. I just got a letter back saying he would NOT support the bill.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Sheila Jackson Lee............what does this tell you about her, she doesn't want the US to build fighter jets because she's anti-war, but yet, she's more than willing to lobby on behalf of Venezuela for sharing information how to build our fighter jets and to have parts sent to the region........

Term limits anyone?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Term limits are not democratic.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Term limits are not democratic.



........says you!

[Erik2a4]

Term limits are not democratic.

This isn't a democracy. It's a republic.

Although the irony is that the first US president to enter office solely by the power of the people, Andrew Jackson, was fully in favor of term limits.

In his view, it prevented cronyism.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm against term limits for members of congress. If our local representative is doing a good job and represents his district well, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to vote to keep him in office. As far as I'm concerned, my representative (Peter DeFazio, D-OR), can keep his job.

But yeah, we need to try to do what we can to support whoever is running against these 26 gun-grabbers.

[ag05]

Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/7/2007

This bitch isn't a Texan, shes a goddamn New Yorker.

I hope to God I don't have to move to her district.

[Durandal]

Wrong, just plain wrong.

These people live in fear of an armed population because the want to control it.

That is the ONLY issue here.

[ZaakM433]

No-one is a real citizen without the ability to legally own firearms!

[Durandal]

No-one is a real citizen without the ability to legally own firearms!

THen you have no issues with this law, siince it does not prevent a citizen from owning firearms, just certain firearms not suitable for sporting purposes (of course the law ignores the fact that the largest number of sporting target rifles out there are all based on the XM-15 and M14).


Bah...

[remo williams]

So how long do I have to get and build my 3 project rifles?

[Backwoodshunter]

THen you have no issues with this law, siince it does not prevent a citizen from owning firearms, just certain firearms not suitable for sporting purposes (of course the law ignores the fact that the largest number of sporting target rifles out there are all based on the XM-15 and M14).


Bah...

Although I agree with you somewhat wouldnt you admit its kind of a slippery slope? I personally don't feel they have any right to remove any of our fire arms from the legal list.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Where the hell is Geezah?

He's usually all over these kinds of threads.

[Durandal]

Although I agree with you somewhat wouldnt you admit its kind of a slippery slope? I personally don't feel they have any right to remove any of our fire arms from the legal list.

It was sarcasm.

I hate it when pro-gun types actually help the anti-gun crowd. The argument I replied to was an open one that could easily be argued and the anti-gun loon doing so would appear rational in front of a crowd.

They nut jobs should never be given a free pass.

That said...

I would like to see our government go in the opposite direction and repeal the National Firearms Act.

Yeah, Ted Nugent is my President...bitches.

This house resolution (its not even a bill yet) is simply more attempts to remove liberties from American's and waste tax payer's money. The arguments made for this resolution are done by the same people we always see yammering about how evil these firearms, firearms that have no more or less capability of killing or hurting someone than a 5 round bolt gun, and how there is no need for them.

There is a need for them.

Prior to the Revolutionary War, and few Americans actually know this, there was a series of low grade clashes between the British and the Colonials around the Boston area. They were called the "Powder Alarms". Most resulted in no violence, but all of them were a deliberate attempt to remove black powder reserves and arms (including the 1 or 2 older cannon some had) from the local towns in an attempt to control them.

This, ultimately is no different.

The Congressmen and women on this list of co-sponsors are, literally, enemies of freedom, through deliberate act or sheer ignorance.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

........need to keep this thread alive so that others can write their reps........



not that it will help, some of these f*cks already have their minds made up and view your mail or emails as spam or junk mail.

[Geezah]

Where the hell is Geezah?

He's usually all over these kinds of threads.

I've been abit behind the last few weeks, I'm currently training in a new position for a new employer, so it's taken me away from what I love................a little anyway. I should be done soon.

This is a load of bs though, notice the majority of those supporters live in areas that are, well a little liberal ;)

[LaoSexMachine]

Sheila Jackson Lee is a race baiter. Worthless bitch who plays the race card to stay elected while being one of the most corrupted. I'll be damn if these fvckers take my guns away.

[JJC]

Sheila Jackson Lee is a race baiter. Worthless bitch who plays the race card to stay elected while being one of the most corrupted. I'll be damn if these fvckers take my guns away.


One thing I did notice is why these race baiters like Sharpotn, Mcinley, Jackson and this princess are all anti-gun and are pro- gun control nuts. All these people grew up in their neighborhoods where gun violence is extremely high and one can get killed over a bottle of cocke. So they have a fear of guns and what they do in their communities, but they don't understand that you must change communities because taking guns away won't stop people from killing.

[Hollis]

One thing I did notice is why these race baiters like Sharpotn, Mcinley, Jackson and this princess are all anti-gun and are pro- gun control nuts. All these people grew up in their neighborhoods where gun violence is extremely high and one can get killed over a bottle of cocke. So they have a fear of guns and what they do in their communities, but they don't understand that you must change communities because taking guns away won't stop people from killing.


JJC, your right, the issue of gun violence is Violence. The gun is just the vehicle. The violence must be dealt with. Banning gun will only remove guns from the scene, but not the violence, it will just appear in another form.

[Durandal]

JJC, your right, the issue of gun violence is Violence. The gun is just the vehicle. The violence must be dealt with. Banning gun will only remove guns from the scene, but not the violence, it will just appear in another form.

That's been the core of my argument for years now.

[gaijinsamurai]

I totally agree. People love to point to Japan (where I live) as an example of a country that is supposedly safer due to the difficulty in obtaining firearms. BUT, what these people fail to grasp is that there are far more issues than the availability of guns, such as the fact that illegal drugs are rare, families tend to be stronger, education is valued to a greater extent, and there is less disparity in incomes.
And, there are still murders and assaults. People just use other means, such as strangling, arson, poison, etc.

[-stk-]

Honestly what are the chances of this bill actually passing? Im also with the firingline and ar15.com so Im hearing alot of fuss about it, alot of the guys are taking it very seriously. It does feel quite reminiscent of what we had to deal with in the 90's, so I do hope it ends up all good for you guys, and this bill goes know where.

[Hunterhr]

Honestly what are the chances of this bill actually passing? Im also with the firingline and ar15.com so Im hearing alot of fuss about it, alot of the guys are taking it very seriously. It does feel quite reminiscent of what we had to deal with in the 90's, so I do hope it ends up all good for you guys, and this bill goes know where.

This probably doesn't have a chance in hell of passing, this bill comes up almost every year and never goes anywhere.

Still, it's always nice to exercise our republican system.

[noname]

I don't think this bill will be seriously put forth until the results of the next presidential election have been certified. I say that because like posted above this HR is put forth every year by this insance mcarthy bitch, and it is cosponsered every year by the same leftist retards. However, with a slim majority in the senate, and an electorate that is (hopefully) closely watching what is going on in the house, we probably won't see a concerted effort of disarming the population until the democrats have a more solid hold on all three branches of government. Remember they want to seem like they are actually going to turn things around in DC and become the most ethical congress or whatever to make the public feel comfortable. Also I doubt the sleezy whore pelosi will have the stomach for this fight yet, so she will probably put this bill on the back burner until they have some more political equity to burn up. So you probably have about a year and a half to complete your builds. Just make sure you have plenty of spare parts, ammo, etc. Because those will become hard to get once the workers party begins their final push.

[8thidpathfinderpower]

Sheila Jackson Lee............what does this tell you about her, she doesn't want the US to build fighter jets because she's anti-war, but yet, she's more than willing to lobby on behalf of Venezuela for sharing information how to build our fighter jets and to have parts sent to the region........

Term limits anyone?

Heck with term limits for her...how about criminal prosecution and punishment for treason?????????

[Durandal]

Honestly what are the chances of this bill actually passing? Im also with the firingline and ar15.com so Im hearing alot of fuss about it, alot of the guys are taking it very seriously. It does feel quite reminiscent of what we had to deal with in the 90's, so I do hope it ends up all good for you guys, and this bill goes know where.

Well, hopefully, this time, we won't have Republican and conservative Democrats (there are a lot this time) Congressional members sell gun owners out.

We know the Dems, as a party, love to screw over the 2nd Amendment, but when you look at the AWB passed in '94 its really amazing how many Republicans voted for it...hell Bush Sr. started the ball rolling on the whole thing.

That said, comments like these:


Heck with term limits for her...how about criminal prosecution and punishment for treason?????????

Are simply silly...and do more harm than good to the defense of freedom.

[8thidpathfinderpower]

JJC, your right, the issue of gun violence is Violence. The gun is just the vehicle. The violence must be dealt with. Banning gun will only remove guns from the scene, but not the violence, it will just appear in another form.


Removing guns stop violence? Thats a good one...next thing they will be selling us all bridges across the Wabash river....

As this guy has mentioned, you cannot take and end violence by taking away someones toys...they just go get something else to hurt with. If you are ever going to stop violence in these high crime neighborhoods, lets start by doing this...

More cops on the street. Start to get communities involved in keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Start having tougher sentences for drug dealers. (includes those in congress, the mayors office and the police departments) Stop sending jobs to countries like India, China, or any other country that has a vasltly underpaid labor market.(more jobs at home=less crime) Start building more places for kids to go and have funafter school and on weekends, and last but not least, start holding people accountable for their own actions, and quit having uncle sam fix the problems for us.

[gaijinsamurai]

Agreed.........

[Durandal]

As this guy has mentioned, you cannot take and end violence by taking away someones toys...they just go get something else to hurt with. If you are ever going to stop violence in these high crime neighborhoods, lets start by doing this...

Yeah, I LOVE guns, I collect them, but I also respect them. They are not toys. This is NOT airsoft.


More cops on the street.

Police state! More taxes!


Start to get communities involved in keeping their own neighborhoods safe.

Difficult to do at best, especially when funding issues for schools are wacked and we bus kids OUT of neighborhoods to balance racial numbers in public schools.


Start having tougher sentences for drug dealers. (includes those in congress, the mayors office and the police departments)

We already do that. As a result, we have severely over crowded jails, bursting at the seams. So serious offenders, like rapists and killers...TRUE felons get out early or get light sentences.

Nor does that change the fact that people will WANT to sell drugs because people want to USE drugs.

Make alcohol illegal (no reason why it should not be after all...pot is illegal) and it'll be the 1920s all over again.

Legalize your most commonly used light drugs and watch the market drop.

You can even get tax dollars from it to directly fund law enforcement.


Stop sending jobs to countries like India, China, or any other country that has a vasltly underpaid labor market.(more jobs at home=less crime)

While this theory works in 3rd world nations that have a lot of violence as a result of 25 to 60% unemployment, this is not a factor here. Half the murders are spouse on spouse killings and a majority of the other half are crime related. There are PLENTY of low income jobs that would provide enough income and stability for most of these people. A good chunk fo the jobs leaving the country are high skilled blue collar and low skill white collar. Neither of which is major player in the crime rates in this country.


Start building more places for kids to go and have funafter school and on weekends, and last but not least, start holding people accountable for their own actions, and quit having uncle sam fix the problems for us.

Which leads to more parks and more eminent domain. The local County park board just purchased 75 acres of FLOOD PLAIN. For 7500.00 an acre.

They are going to let it go wild.

Its screwed up land values and wasted tax payer dollars.

It was using money that COULD have been used for an inner city play park or youth program.

As to Uncle Sam staying out of our business you just supplied us with (all of them but one...) solutions that involve government actions and tax payer money.

[Hollis]

Durandel, the term "toys", IMHO is often used in a tongue and cheek expression for Guy's stuff... It may not be the best way to express what a fire arm is. Maybe goes with the other expression, "the boy with the most toys win".

Probably something a married man would used. you know, "Honey why do you need another GUN??"

[Durandal]

Durandel, the term "toys", IMHO is often used in a tongue and cheek expression for Guy's stuff... It may not be the best way to express what a fire arm is. Maybe goes with the other expression, "the boy with the most toys win".

Probably something a married man would used. you know, "Honey why do you need another GUN??"

Oh, I know that man, hell I use it some time too...but you have to use every tool in the arsenal and one of those tools is showing the "enemy" that you respect your "toys" by not calling them toys, but "firearms" or "tools".

Never as toys, weapons, or guns.

Just like you NEVER use the term "assault weapon" or "high capacity".

I need to start hold lectures or something: "How to properly argue your 2nd Amendment Rights"

[Hollis]

Oh, I know that man, hell I use it some time too...but you have to use every tool in the arsenal and one of those tools is showing the "enemy" that you respect your "toys" by not calling them toys, but "firearms" or "tools".

Never as toys, weapons, or guns.

Just like you NEVER use the term "assault weapon" or "high capacity".

I need to start hold lectures or something: "How to properly argue your 2nd Amendment Rights"


I had your reply in the back of my mind. Some gun owners fall into the trap of anti-gun people, Like Zumbo(SP).

I am also hesitant to fall into one of the "PC language for Gun owners" promoters. Even though it is a excellent idea

[Calanen]

JJC, your right, the issue of gun violence is Violence. The gun is just the vehicle. The violence must be dealt with. Banning gun will only remove guns from the scene, but not the violence, it will just appear in another form.

It doesn't even reduce guns from the scene, it just reduces them in the hands of the law abiding population. The people that use guns in street warfare couldn't give a monkeys about what the gunlaws are.

[gaijinsamurai]

Interesting comments, Durandel and Hollis. I usually try to watch my terminology when talking about my firearms to people who I suspect might be "anti-gun". I usually tone-down the testosterone-laced vocabulary, and stress stuff like "safety", etc., in order to present an image of a mature, responsible gun owner.

[Durandal]

I know Hollis might consider it PC, but I like to think of it as giving them less avenues to attack.

Its not so politically correct as it is clean cut and simple.

I would think the PC of referring to this stuff would be Assault Weapons.

As soon as you label something in the negative (regardless of how YOU interpret it) some WILL interpret it in the negative...and its a whole lot harder to gain back ground when they already have a negative in their mind.

That's while I always use the terms:

Rifle, Shot Gun, Class III, NFA, Firearm, Pistol, Longarm/Short Arm, target, sport, and recreational.

And never use:

Toy (associated child use and utmost danger)
Weapon (implies single use, threat)
Gun (alone implies a non-sporting use, negative)
hand gun (commonly used by the VPC and Brady group as the sole killer of children and Americans)
Assault (immediate negative inference)
Clip (more than one and hi-cap is a bad thing)
Hi-capacity (implies that firearm is capable of mowing down LOTS of people, implies that 30 rounds is not a NORMAL capacity, and automatically implies an unnecessary item....why would a guy NEED 30 rounds instead of 8?)
Machinegun, silencer, sawed off shotgun (automatic "WTF" squirreled up face look and confusion over AWB which they thought was limiting such weapons (not semis) and then more confusion when they learn that ANYONE that can legally purchase a firearm can legally purchase these as well

Shot gun you can get by with because most people, for some reason equate it to "less bad" or "less lethal"...not too sure why.

Never call gun safes and trigger locks bad. Never claim that an unloaded gun in a safe is less valuable in home defense than a loaded gun by the bed.

Never claim the use of high velocity jacketed rifle and pistol rounds are excellent use in home defense...

Focus on the reduction of rape in arguing the claim that CC reduces crime...

Just some tid-bits I have gleaned over the years...

[gaijinsamurai]

...to go a bit further, DON'T say stuff like:

"My Smith & Wesson M29 with an 8" barrel compensates for my having a small *****."

"I keep a cache of AKs, extra magazines, and ten cases of ammo, for when the blue-helmeted UN troops invade."

"Yeah, I pack all the time, and anyone who I deem a threat will get a barrage of hydra-shocks."

"I DARE the cops to try to take my guns."

"Hillary should be shot."

The gun control advocates just love it when gun owners act like idiots and hot-heads. It makes their jobs easier.

[Hollis]

...to go a bit further, DON'T say stuff like:

"My Smith & Wesson M29 with an 8" barrel compensates for my having a small *****."

"I keep a cache of AKs, extra magazines, and ten cases of ammo, for when the blue-helmeted UN troops invade."

"Yeah, I pack all the time, and anyone who I deem a threat will get a barrage of hydra-shocks."

"I DARE the cops to try to take my guns."

"Hillary should be shot."

The gun control advocates just love it when gun owners act like idiots and hot-heads. It makes their jobs easier.


we should not forget those posters too, "trespassers will be shot, suriviors will be shot again"

[Geezah]

Hey, I just want to add "clip" to the collection of words that should never be used by any gun owners that want to be taken seriously, unless it is in reference to M1 clipsp-)

[gaijinsamurai]

On a related note, there used to be a gun shop in my hometown (Eugene, Oregon), in which the proprietor allowed an 18 year old idiot to sit behind the counter and wave his Polytech M-14 around at customers, and tell them the rifle was going to be used against blue helmets. (I found this offensive, having worn UN blue in El Salvador).
Later, the proprietor's FFL was revoked, after he sold an SKS to skinheads who used it to shoot up a synagogue. The proprietor was to blame for not submitting the paperwork as required. Evidently, he had received many warnings from the ATF, and that was the last straw.
He had the best prices in town. I bought my L1A1, Enflield No4, and Russian SKS from him. But, I really wasn't that sorry to see him go out of business.

[Durandal]

Hey, I just want to add "clip" to the collection of words that should never be used by any gun owners that want to be taken seriously, unless it is in reference to M1 clipsp-)

But, Geezah you have "clips" of 5.56 Radway.

Ooops. :)

Oh, and thanks for helping move buddy. It helped out a whole lot. Turns out my new neighbor is a member of Fairfield Sportsmen Club. Purely recreational, but its nice to know that I am on the back porch cleaning guns and drinking a beer or two he won't call the cops.

[Kant]

But, Geezah you have "clips" of 5.56 Radway.

Ooops. :)

Oh, and thanks for helping move buddy. It helped out a whole lot. Turns out my new neighbor is a member of Fairfield Sportsmen Club. Purely recreational, but its nice to know that I am on the back porch cleaning guns and drinking a beer or two he won't call the cops.

Forgive me, but is that a good move.
I always thought that guns and grog were a no no?

[Durandal]

Forgive me, but is that a good move.
I always thought that guns and grog were a no no?

Shooting, loaded, guns and grog is a no-no...

Relaxing on the porch on a clear sunny, sunday afternoon, with a beer and a disassembled rifle that your are cleaning is relaxing.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

...to go a bit further, DON'T say stuff like:

"My Smith & Wesson M29 with an 8" barrel compensates for my having a small *****."

"I keep a cache of AKs, extra magazines, and ten cases of ammo, for when the blue-helmeted UN troops invade."

"Yeah, I pack all the time, and anyone who I deem a threat will get a barrage of hydra-shocks."

"I DARE the cops to try to take my guns."

"Hillary should be shot."

The gun control advocates just love it when gun owners act like idiots and hot-heads. It makes their jobs easier.


Hmmmm, coulda sworn these were official "backwoods" words to live by....

[Geezah]

But, Geezah you have "clips" of 5.56 Radway.

Ooops. :)

Those are "stripper clips" p-)



Oh, and thanks for helping move buddy. It helped out a whole lot. Turns out my new neighbor is a member of Fairfield Sportsmen Club. Purely recreational, but its nice to know that I am on the back porch cleaning guns and drinking a beer or two he won't call the cops.

No problem, anytime, I actually had good fun and Steve is a good guy, we worked good together that day.

Glad you're finally getting settled in and the porch is a great spot to chill out.

[gaijinsamurai]

Actually, Joshua, I say most of those things too! I just watch who I say it around!! (wink)

[11 Bravo]

Those are "stripper clips"


Actually if you want to be proper it's "chargers" and not that goofy stripper clipper balogna.
I hate when sods call magazines "clips" and loathe as much when some call chargers "stripper clips". If I want to see some "stripper clits" I'll go to the local ***** bar. If I want to load a 30 round AR magazine or two I'll pull out a bandolier of 5,56 on 10 round chargers.
Now if you have a Mannlicher rifle like say a gew88 or a M95 staright puller they are loaded with clips that contain ammo. Same goes for an M1 Garand which uses ammo loaded in clips - ammo and clip are an integral part of the rifle's magazine to make the magazine function. Rifles like the Enfield , mauser and SKS use chargers - to load , aka charge the magazine.
Anyhow I am likely wasting my breath on this point(s).

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Actually, Joshua, I say most of those things too! I just watch who I say it around!! (wink)

Oh yeah, you guys are probably the only people I talk to about any firearms......

I never like talking about my firearms to my friends or in public, too many cases of friends having a big mouth or a stranger eavesdropping, later leading to theft or robbery.

Nevermind the fact it can come back to bite you in the ass if you ever have to defend yourself or property.

Overzelous prosecutors or local media spin can kill you if you are a so called "gun nut", (sorry Geezah) things like having a suped up carbine or rifle, suped up handgun, certain ammunition, training, amount of firearms you own, all these things can and have been used before to hang people in a court of law, all because of prosecutors who are naive and ignorant or because of a prosecutor with a politcal agenda.

I have a magazine with an article on how to defend yourself in these situations and it does not involve getting rid of these "things" or certain lifestyles.

[Geezah]

Actually if you want to be proper it's "chargers" and not that goofy stripper clipper balogna.
I hate when sods call magazines "clips" and loathe as much when some call chargers "stripper clips". If I want to see some "stripper clits" I'll go to the local ***** bar. If I want to load a 30 round AR magazine or two I'll pull out a bandolier of 5,56 on 10 round chargers.


A stripper clip or charger is a speedloader that holds several cartridges together in a single unit for easier loading of a firearm's magazine. A stripper clip is used only for loading the magazine and is not necessary for the firearm to function. It is called a 'stripper' clip because, after the bolt is opened and the stripper clip is placed in position (generally by placing it in a slot on either the receiver or bolt), the cartridges are pressed down, thereby 'stripping' them off the stripper clip and into the magazine. After the magazine is loaded, the stripper clip is often discarded, but some can often be reused many times, depending on the total cumulative wear on the stripper clip in question. Depending on the firearm, magazine, and cartridge, stripper clips come in a variety of shapes, some quite complex, though most are either straight or crescent-shaped pieces of stamped metal, which are often blued.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripper_clip)



Anyhow I am likely wasting my breath on this point(s).

I'm glad you put so much value in your own written words.......

[Hollis]

It maybe that stripper clip (as I know it) or a Charger could be a European/USA thing. Like charging handel.

Funny thing 11 Bravo, is a US Army term. OH well where is my Gunny now that I need him.

[gaijinsamurai]

Good point, Mr. Joshua!
In fact, I've had back-stabbing co-workers (when i was a parole officer) use the fact that I am a veteran, collector of militaria (some of which is WWII German), did WWII reenacting, and own a bunch of firearms to try to convince people I was some kind of a nut.
My best friend's ex-wife used the fact that he was a gun owner and WWII buff to try to convince the judge he'd be an unfit father during a custody battle. The bitch's attorney even showed the judge a photo of me, in werhmacht uniform, holding a Walther P38 and Luger, to try to portray us as "Nazis".
In the end, my friend got custody, so it didn't work.

Never underestimate the willingness of some people to be sly and dishonest to get what they want, whether it be politics, the court system, or work.

[Geezah]

Oh yeah, you guys are probably the only people I talk to about any firearms......

I never like talking about my firearms to my friends or in public, too many cases of friends having a big mouth or a stranger eavesdropping, later leading to theft or robbery.

Nevermind the fact it can come back to bite you in the ass if you ever have to defend yourself or property.

Overzelous prosecutors or local media spin can kill you if you are a so called "gun nut", (sorry Geezah) things like having a suped up carbine or rifle, suped up handgun, certain ammunition, training, amount of firearms you own, all these things can and have been used before to hang people in a court of law, all because of prosecutors who are naive and ignorant or because of a prosecutor with a politcal agenda.

I have a magazine with an article on how to defend yourself in these situations and it does not involve getting rid of these "things" or certain lifestyles.


No need to apologise, I sometimes think I'm too open about my enjoyment of shooting sports, but the up side is the fact, the more I talk about it, the more it becomes acceptable to those that I work with or hang out with(non gun nuts).

It's not something we should hide or feel ashamed of, the Liberal Left Media have already painted guns owners are lunatics, well I want to prove them wrong.

As far as who I tell, I aree with you there when it comes to possible break ins but if they can get the safe out of the house they worked hard to get it out..

[Durandal]

Hell I talk about shooting sports and collecting to almost everyone.

I'm trying to get a range opened up no later than 2010, and I need all the word of mouth I can get...good or bad.

[Kant]

Hell I talk about shooting sports and collecting to almost everyone.

I'm trying to get a range opened up no later than 2010, and I need all the word of mouth I can get...good or bad.

I've got lots of space in my backyard.
You're welcome to shoot in it if you want.

[Backwoodshunter]

Durandal is this a private business venture, or a backyard/friends local group thing

[Durandal]

Durandal is this a private business venture, or a backyard/friends local group thing

Private business...

Private club...50 to 300 yard center fire rifle, 4 to 6 50x50 yard 180 degree ranges for pistol, subgun, IPSC/IPDA/Cowboy Action, and class room/training, with 24 rifle positions under cover, one firing line in the smaller ranges under cover, and a club house with lounge and stone fireplace/deck...

[Freibier]

That sounds really, really cool!

[Backwoodshunter]

Private business...

Private club...50 to 300 yard center fire rifle, 4 to 6 50x50 yard 180 degree ranges for pistol, subgun, IPSC/IPDA/Cowboy Action, and class room/training, with 24 rifle positions under cover, one firing line in the smaller ranges under cover, and a club house with lounge and stone fireplace/deck...

Thats cool to hear, I like to see such a pursuit mixed with business, how far into planning are you?

[Durandal]

Waiting on the gravel company that we sold the aggregate rights to reclaim the property we would be using. This sloping the sides of the gravel pit to a 2.5 to 1 slope, raise the bottom of the hole, about a meter, control runoff, and plant grass. The Ohio Department of Natural Resource simply signs off two years after reclamation is complete and then we have a a 45 acre hole with no residential neighbors nearby, a 120ft hill behind the main impact area, and hole with 70ft side walls of clay (which fixes lead).

We are ready to build now, but won't actually start the permitting process till we are ready to break ground. Because its a private club and not public, it makes things a whole lot easier (i.e. difficult not next to impossible).

Meanwhile, I have been to the NRA's Range Development Conference and have been talking to several local, respected, FFLs to handle the retail side of things (I want to focus on the shooting experience not the firearm related sales...which are not as profitable or as fun...to me).

[Backwoodshunter]

Very interesting, are you the main backer in your proj or how are you supplying the cash, and I'm guessing theres a big interest in shooting in your area?

Sorry for all the questions, Im a bus major so its all pretty interesting to me.

[Durandal]

Very interesting, are you the main backer in your proj or how are you supplying the cash, and I'm guessing theres a big interest in shooting in your area?

Sorry for all the questions, Im a bus major so its all pretty interesting to me.

Lot of details there...and a lot to type out. Anything specific you would like to know? The range is partly funded right now. Depending on costs a loan can be secured if necessary. You can PM we if you want for more details.

That said, you are looking at a year membership fee of 2 to 3 hundred dollars and about 1000 shooters estimated to join.

[11 Bravo]

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripper_clip)



I'm glad you put so much value in your own written words.......

And your point ?. When I went through OSUT at Ft Benning in the mid 1980's as a grunt - those little gray metal strips were called chargers , my rifle was my weapon , my shovel was an E-Tool. Maybe somewhere along the line the language/lingo was dumbed down since then , but alas the vast majority of my references regarding military firearms history addresses those little five cartridge "holders" as chargers. Only the more recent written bilge from magazines like Guns & Ammo use phraseology like clip for magazine and stripper clip for charger ad nauseum.
Lock and load your first 20 round magazine,set your selector swithc from safe to semi , beware of the Zero monster ... Firer's watch your lane......

[Hollis]

And your point ?. When I went through OSUT at Ft Benning in the mid 1980's as a grunt - those little gray metal strips were called chargers , my rifle was my weapon , my shovel was an E-Tool. Maybe somewhere along the line the language/lingo was dumbed down since then , but alas the vast majority of my references regarding military firearms history addresses those little five cartridge "holders" as chargers. Only the more recent written bilge from magazines like Guns & Ammo use phraseology like clip for magazine and stripper clip for charger ad nauseum.
Lock and load your first 20 round magazine,set your selector swithc from safe to semi , beware of the Zero monster ... Firer's watch your lane......


1980's you say, and they dumb down the lingo sence then. Humm I was in Marine Boot camp in 1968, and the term was stripper clips even in RVN in 1969. I can not speak for the Army. I guess we were dumbed down way before you. I will ask my Gunny about that.

So I check with my google fooo, on Stripper Clips, 37,500............


Ok now google Charger or "charger" + "Ammo"

How ever you want to call them, works for me. I just prefer to call 'em as I was told.

[bthest86]

I believe a charger is a stripper clip used to load detachable magazines.

http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/assets/images/st2.jpg
http://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac12.jpg

Stripper clips load integral magazines.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Sks4.jpg/250px-Sks4.jpg

Either way they pretty much descripe the samething. Both terms are used. There is no correct answer.

[Hollis]

I believe a charger is a stripper clip used to load detachable magazines.

http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/assets/images/st2.jpg


Stripper clips load integral magazines.



Either way they pretty much descripe the samething. Both terms are used. There is no correct answer.

That can be correct the "charger" maybe the the adapter to beable to use stripper clips in single magazines.

as in your abover picture, Magazine, Stripper clip w/ammo and "charger".

Not sure, I will ask a friend this after noon. Somehow, I am thinking it has another name, but I am not sure.

Did some looking around, it is called a magazine charger, or magazine filler. The M1 Carbine each stripper clip came with one. Later they cut cost by not making the "charger" apart of the stripper clip. Such as for the M14 and M16.

[Geezah]

That can be correct the "charger" maybe the the adapter to beable to use stripper clips in single magazines.

as in your abover picture, Magazine, Stripper clip w/ammo and "charger".

I have seen those refered to as "Spoons"????

[akd]

I usually see those referred to as "stripper clip guides."

[Hollis]

I have seen those refered to as "Spoons"????


I asked a friend, was over for dinner last night, he was a Army Ranger and he stated the other name they used was "Spoons".

I still can not for the life of me, remember what we called them. The came with the bandoliers of ammo. Probably never asked for one, Oh well, I will blame it on those cute hippy chicks that help me to forget.

[Sigfan]

Wrong, just plain wrong.

These people live in fear of an armed population because the want to control it.

That is the ONLY issue here.

Amen brother!

[Sigfan]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348?ltl=1175782168 (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348?ltl=1175782168)

[remo williams]

I didn't want to start another thread as I think this pertains to this thread. In my city they are proposing a law that would require all gun owners within the city limits, to additionally register their firearms with the chief of police. I just saw this today on the news, and there seems to be alot of opposition. The reason they are trying this, is that there have been alot of shootings recently. They want to , of course, stop the flow of illegal guns. It's interesting that the NY Post ran an article the day before, saying that the majority of guns used in the shooting of police officers/citizens were obtained and smuggled illegally. It was also interesting that they recovered a .45 used in a shooting that was reported missing by the USN back in the 80's. Yet only 150mi north this mayor proposes this. I'm going to be staring a project rifle and I'm sure this isn't going to be beneficial to me to have to register with the police after I've already gone through background checks etc. One man said this is the first step to confiscation, any thoughts?

[Durandal]

My first thoughts are "If I were Remo I would be, like, what firearms?"

If they aren't registered now they should not be later on.

Be smart about it.

I am not a lawyer, this is in no way smart LEGAL advice.

I'd be so pissed man. I'd move.

[Hollis]

One man said this is the first step to confiscation, any thoughts?

I think the answer would have required speculations some time back, but following the arguments and basic goals of the anti-gun coalition I would say that is probably the goal here.

You can not confiscate them, if you don't know where they are are. If the original statement was to confiscate, no one (maybe a few) would register them.

Also stats are gun most often used in crimes where not obtain through "legal" means.

Under Federal law a person can make their own firearm as long as it adheres to the Firearm act. On many home made firearms there is no "paper" trail or even numbers to registered.

With the recent decision in removing the Washington D.C. ban as unconstitutional, these laws may be consider not worth passing until the court changes it's opinion of the 2nd amendment rights. Which would require some less than honest maneuvering.

[Beowulf]

stripper clip, charger, etc... who gives a sh*t?

I've always heard em called stripper clips