Is it true they may re-instate the draft?

[Sierra]

1. Is it true they may re-instate the draft?
2. Do you think it will be re-instated.
3. When will it be re-instated.

[HELEX]

Not 100% sure but possible, they were talking about it.

The when question is easy: When Bush is reelected, after the Election. Sure not before it.

[Sierra]

Not 100% sure but possible, they were talking about it.

The when question is easy: When Bush is reelected, after the Election. Sure not before it.If Kerry is elected (WHICH I HOPE HE IS NOT! I HATE HIM) Do you think he will re-instate it?

[cut]

no way, political suicide yada yada yada has all been said before do a search for draft and read it

[SeanR]

Great article that will answer all your questions:
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

[Dennis G]

Not 100% sure but possible, they were talking about it.

The when question is easy: When Bush is reelected, after the Election. Sure not before it.


Helex your not an American you don't have the right to vote in America, Shut the hell up on American Politics!! WHY IS HE NOT BANNED!!!!!


BTW, eat **** and die Helex

[HELEX]

Well, what Kerry will do is not exactely clear. That depends on what he achieves regarding UN and Europe and how Iraq developes. If he wont get more international help he will be forced to do it too. He cant stop this war now.

[usa320]

No. The military wont allow it. It means rushing troops into battle and it means horrible morale, and idiots like ****mus who dont want to be there. They lower morale and put their squads at risk...

[Caraway]

Helex your not an American you don't have the right to vote in America, Shut the hell up on American Politics!! WHY IS HE NOT BANNED!!!!!
BTW, eat **** and die Helex

Please, Dennis G. I think he still has the right to express his views on this. American politics are world politics nowadays. American politics has a global impact. Don't be surprised if you receive a respond from e.g. HELEX.

[Seoulstriker]

FUD!!! There is no reason for it, and people like HELEX are just spreading FUD.

[usa320]

with regards to HELEX, objectively stating his views and supporting them in an on-topic thread is one thing. But to hijack every other thread with crude, twisted and weak arguments of hate is another.

[HELEX]

FUD!!! There is no reason for it, and people like HELEX are just spreading FUD.


with regards to HELEX, objectively stating his views and supporting them in an on-topic thread is one thing. But to hijack every other thread with crude, twisted and weak arguments of hate is another.


You should not throw stones while sitting in a glasshouse. :lol:

[Jack Mehoff]

The only thing HELEX can do is whine and bitch because he CAN'T do anything in American's politic.

[Obergefreiter]

It won't happen. There is no need for it. The quality of the military would go to hell worse than it did when Klinton was in office.

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=HELEX+IS+A+%0D%0AHOMO

[DPGLAW]

It's a crying shame we can't send HELEX to Fallujah and let the Marines use his body for target practice.....no one would care if he was alive anymore, I am certain no one on here would care anyways....he is always hijacling threads, antagonizing people, and making inflammatory comments. Which, in turn, ruin the thread. Since kiolling him is not a realistic option, cant you mods just burn him, oops I mean ban him...lol

[Jack Mehoff]

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[Jack Mehoff]

HELEX (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=HELEX+killed+%0D%0Amy+father+%0D%0Aand+knocked+%0D%0Aup+my+sister%21)

[usa320]

Just add "with his crappy posts" to the end of that.

:lol:

[HELEX]

Nice one :lol:

But the writing is too perfect, nobody manages to write "my" or other chars exactely similar.

[Fintin]

thanks for the insite hackingcough....go away no one here likes you

[Airborneranger4israel]

Not 100% sure but possible, they were talking about it.

The when question is easy: When Bush is reelected, after the Election. Sure not before it.

NO way the need is not great enough. And most importantly a volunteer army is a hundred more times effective than that of one which has people the might not want to fight. It's been proved time and time again.

[Airborneranger4israel]

nice pic "jack mehoff" are u really there with those kids or did u just insert a digital image of a cardboard box and paste it over what the kids were holding?

[Sierra]

nice pic "jack mehoff" are u really there with those kids or did u just insert a digital image of a cardboard box and paste it over what the kids were holding?he is really with those kids.

[HELEX]

thanks for the insite hackingcough....go away no one here likes you

According to a Poll more than 30% of the Members like me: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12981

See? :lol:

[Fintin]

According to a Poll more than 30% of the Members like me: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12981

See? :lol:

well then take those people with you too....

[WolverineBlue]

Helex's remark was completely acceptable -- much better than that stupid one he made about the Israeli children at the military show reminding him of Palestinians marching in the street.

[Jack Mehoff]

Helex's remark was completely acceptable -- much better than that stupid one he made about the Israeli children at the military show reminding him of Palestinians marching in the street.

He made a lot of dumbass remarks. Which one are you referring to?

[Caraway]

NO way the need is not great enough. And most importantly a volunteer army is a hundred more times effective than that of one which has people the might not want to fight. It's been proved time and time again.
That's true. When it comes to professional army and conscript army, usually the conscript army has the best men to choose from. Look at British army e.g. usually loosers enter in there.

[Jack Mehoff]

NO way the need is not great enough. And most importantly a volunteer army is a hundred more times effective than that of one which has people the might not want to fight. It's been proved time and time again.
That's true. When it comes to professional army and conscript army, usually the conscript army has the best men to choose from.Look at British army e.g. usually loosers enter in there.

huh??

[WolverineBlue]

Helex's remark was completely acceptable -- much better than that stupid one he made about the Israeli children at the military show reminding him of Palestinians marching in the street.

He made a lot of dumbass remarks. Which one are you referring to?

Specifically, this one, Jack: This fatally reminds me on pictures showing palestinian children with suicide Belts and Guns....

[WolverineBlue]

And by the way, I welcome Helex's, Uninen's and the rest of the "dissenters'" opinions.

Good for the mind.

[Fintin]

but bad for the heart

[HELEX]

There is very much similarity.... Children should not handle weapons, there can be no doubt.

Can you read his mind? "Take that filthy palestinian...."

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3470650.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=57CB378AE55E7AC1DAE2F1ED48F65018

[HooyahCQB]

Rumsfeld Sees No Need For Draft
Associated Press
April 23, 2004


WASHINGTON - The Bush administration sees no need to reinstate the military draft, but it is pushing for improved Pentagon management of the 1.4 million-strong force in order to meet wartime needs, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.

"I don't know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Rumsfeld told the Newspaper Association of America's annual convention.

Some in Congress have questioned whether the long-term nature of the global war on terrorism might require a return to the system of military conscription that was abandoned in 1973.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., on Wednesday raised the possibility that compulsory military service might be necessary. The nation is engaged "in a generational war here against terrorism," Hagel said. "It's going to require resources."

"Should we continue to burden the middle class who represents most all of our soldiers, and the lower-middle class?" Hagel said. "Should we burden them with the fighting and the dying if in fact this is a generational - probably 25-year - war?"

Rumsfeld did not address the issue of burden-sharing, except to say the old system of conscription had "a lot of difficulties," including loopholes that permitted many to avoid being drafted.

He said the military simply does not need to abandon its all-volunteer approach.

"We have a relatively small military. We have been very successful in recruiting and retaining the people we need," he said. Although the military is strained by its commitments in Iraq and elsewhere, it is working on ways to get more combat power out of the existing force, he said.

The Army, for example, is reorganizing to increase the number of combat brigades from 33 to as many as 48 over the next several years. And the Pentagon is finding ways to pull troops out of jobs that could be done by civilian Defense Department workers or government contractors, thus freeing more troops for combat-related duties.

Sound Off...How would the American public react if the draft was re-instated? Join the discussion.

[WolverineBlue]

I call bull**** on Helex. Give it a rest -- I fondled weapons as a child too.

[Jack Mehoff]

There is very much similarity.... Children should not handle weapons, there can be no doubt.

Can you read his mind? "Take that filthy palestinian...."

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3470650.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=57CB378AE55E7AC1DAE2F1ED48F65018

What are you now? A ****ing mind reader? :roll:

I remember my uncle took me to the pistol range when I was 8 year old, and all I was thinking at that time was to shoot dumbass like you.

[Airborneranger4israel]

There is very much similarity.... Children should not handle weapons, there can be no doubt.

Can you read his mind? "Take that filthy palestinian...."

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3470650.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=57CB378AE55E7AC1DAE2F1ED48F65018

If u had a f***n brain you would realize those weapons were strapped to the table with steel cables and did not have any magizines in them. Unlike the ones that the palestinian children carry around (they use ones with reall bullet!). Finally weapons of the many armys including the US are able to be handled. I was 11 when i handled a m14, H&K mp5, and barreta 92, and others in washington DC during The US Army's 225 aniversary. so give it a rest

[Jack Mehoff]

NO way the need is not great enough. And most importantly a volunteer army is a hundred more times effective than that of one which has people the might not want to fight. It's been proved time and time again.
That's true. When it comes to professional army and conscript army, usually the conscript army has the best men to choose from.Look at British army e.g. usually loosers enter in there.

huh??

[Airborneranger4israel]

Actually i can read his mind he is saying that his dad in the IDF special forces is gonna come to HElix's house and kidnapp him. Then he is going to bring him to the bronx where a sign will be strapped to him saying i hate blacks.

PS: i have nothing agaisnt blacks or the bronx

[mocking_loudly_died]

That's true. When it comes to professional army and conscript army, usually the conscript army has the best men to choose from. Look at British army e.g. usually loosers enter in there.

What the f*ck are you talking about you c*ck smoker, the Brit Army is one of the most professional volunteer forces in the world.

Christ another **** that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

[Caraway]

What the f*ck are you talking about you c*ck smoker, the Brit Army is one of the most professional volunteer forces in the world.
Christ another **** that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
I'm not talking about the SAS, SBS, etc. The truth is that there is not enough capable recruits in UK to fill holes. AND I was compareing "professional" (i.e. looser army) to conscript army.
Do you really think that you have the best material to choose in to british army?

[mocking_loudly_died]

Do you really think that you have the best material to choose in to british army?

YES!

The British military may not have the shiny kit, but it consistently proves to be one of the foremost fighting nations on this earth - PROVE ME WRONG.

[Jack Mehoff]

Professional volunteer army like the British army > dope smoking conscripts like the Finnish army.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Professional volunteer army like the British army > dope smoking conscripts like the Finnish army.

Word. rofl

[bobdakilla]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=HELEX+IS+A+%0D%0AHOMO

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA how did u do that lol :lol:

[DPGLAW]

Jack Mehoff....those pictures are ****in' hilarious....

[SeanR]

"clone" tool makes the world go round...heheh :D

[seruriermarshal]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=HELEX+IS+A+%0D%0AHOMO

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

HELEX ......

[Jack Mehoff]

thanks (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=Thanks+guys%2C%0D%0Ap.s.+HELEX+%0D%0Ais+still+a+%0D%0Ahomo)

[Caraway]

Professional volunteer army like the British army > dope smoking conscripts like the Finnish army.
Get real, kids. Conscript armies do not have to choose from crap.

[DPGLAW]

thanks for the insite hackingcough....go away no one here likes you

According to a Poll more than 30% of the Members like me: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12981

See? :lol:


Yeah But you failed to notice that 67% of us want your "troll ass" gone. I must of missed that thread, but dont worry, I just added my vote to ban your ass

[Jack Mehoff]

Professional volunteer army like the British army > dope smoking conscripts like the Finnish army.
Get real, kids. Conscript armies do not have to choose from crap.

If they don't choose from crap, then wouldn't that make them a volunteer, professional army? :roll:

[bobdakilla]

thanks (http://www.ryano.net/iraq/img.php?t=Thanks+guys%2C%0D%0Ap.s.+HELEX+%0D%0Ais+still+a+%0D%0Ahomo)

rofl good call on the PS. helex is a homo part :lol:

[ash933]

Professional volunteer army like the British army > dope smoking conscripts like the Finnish army.
Get real, kids. Conscript armies do not have to choose from crap.

Well, since our forces are volunteers, that kind of suggests that they want to be there hence they're going to put some effort into what they do. Look how well tense situations have been handled by British forces in Iraq recently. Now, compare that to conscripts. These people might not want to be in the forces, therefore they're not going to have the same grit and determination to get the job done compared to a volunteer.

An example would be the Falklands/Malvinas War. Argentinian conscripts didn't stand a chance against 3 Commando Brigade and British Army units, which are volunteers.

See my point?

By the way, I mean no disrespect to any conscript forces. It's quite early in the morning and that was the best analogy I could come up with. :)

[Huck Mucus]

Professionals, volunteers and lifers are a good thing. They hold the line and train the newbies until conscription is required. However, the bulk of the heavy lifting has been, historically, done by the likes of the Greatest Generation, most of whom were your Tom-Hanks-Saving-Private-Ryan-type draftees.

That sad-sack, ****-bird-civilian who doesn't want to be "there" has often turned out to be the one who went up the hill and carried the day.

On another note, "conscription" has been defined as "taxation or confiscation of property for war purposes to impose equality of sacrifice on non-conscripts." Referencing Oxford Dictionary, from The Plot to Seize the White House, Jules Archer. By that definition one might argue that those who benefit the most from foreign adventures ought to pay the most. After all, according Smedley Darlington Butler, people are shedding blood whilst others line their pockets.

[radon]

I agree conscript armies are no random collection of every people without no selection at all. Pothead hippies will do civil service. Nutheads are hopefully sent away. The army is not stupid, they know some conscripts could care less about the army. And nobody can say volunteers for example for (conscript) special forces , not a single lazy , whiny fatass will never want or get there. Conscription is never fully random.

But what about the people who enlist in professional armies , that went there only because they could get only a job at Mc Donalds. This is also a issue with professional armies. [/code]

[Ichhabe]

You people who talk disrespectful of conscript armies have no clue on what you are talking about.

And the constant attacking on HELEX is getting really boring. Ban him, ban him. Well, booooohoooo. Cry babies.

[Caraway]

Volunteers, what do they volunteer for? For free college education, for ciziticenship, for pay?
In Finland we do not have so good picture about professional armies. We usually consider them as loosers that have no other chance than recruiting in to a army that feeds them.

[Jack Mehoff]

Volunteers, what do they volunteer for? For free college education, for ciziticenship, for pay?
In Finland we do not have so good picture about professional armies. We usually consider them as loosers that have no other chance than recruiting in to a army that feeds them.

And when was the last time Finland had a professional military? NONE

Do you actually believe your little country knows more about volunteer/concript armed forces than U.S.?? When was the last time U.S. had a conscript service? 29 years ago.

Sorry man, give me a volunteer to fight along side me anytime and keep that dope smoking hippy back home.

[Huck Mucus]

There is something to be said for sucking the federal tit. I had other people cook for me, wash and sew my uniforms/cammies, tell me what to do, when to do it, how to do it, took care of my pay checks and taxes and insurance and medical, and countless thousands of other things that I now do for myself and my employees.

There is a world of difference between people who have owned their own successfull business, on the one hand, and those who work for others, especially government, on the other hand. Nothing wrong with either, but, having been on both sides, the experiences are incomparable. When you have to fight for your food, and don't really know where it's coming from, and when you don't have the many protections of civil service, it's a different world.

When I joined, they'd take you if you had a pulse and we had a lot of folks in there to avoid the clink. I myself joined just to eat. Loved every minute of it. But it's got alot of security like you find in prison.

[Caraway]

Sorry man, give me a volunteer to fight along side me anytime and keep that dope smoking hippy back home.
That's USA's problem, not Finland's. We don't have dope so freely accessible as you have in the USA. We don't have dopeheads, that's partly why we can trust for the whole nation to defend us, unlike you.

[Jack Mehoff]

Sorry man, give me a volunteer to fight along side me anytime and keep that dope smoking hippy back home.
That's USA's problem, not Finland's. We don't have dope so freely accessible as you have in the USA. We don't have dopeheads, that's partly why we can trust for the whole nation to defend us, unlike you.



This is funny, if you Finnish can be trust to defend your nation, then why did your government make military service as mandatory for everybody??

p.s It's 100x easier to buy drugs in Europe than USA, you moron. Why? Because you'll rot in prison for possession a pound of drug.
Freely accessible drugs in America? I think you've been watching too much Bad Boys rofl

[AFG]

i dont think there is gonna be a draft. Last week they said something about there was a high reenlistment rate in the ranks and all the divisions cept for the 82nd made their goal or something.

[Caraway]

This is funny, if you Finnish can be trust to defend your nation, then why did your government make military service as mandatory for everybody??It is mandatory because we, the Finns, don't wan't crap to defend our country. It's a constitutional (conscience) thing. We wan't to choose our soldiers (mainly jaeger brigades.)


p.s It's 100x easier to buy drugs in Europe than USA, you moron. Why? Because you'll rot in prison for possession a pound of drug.
Freely accessible drugs in America? I think you've been watching too much Bad Boys roflIt's easier to get drugs in USA than in Finland. That's what I meant, moron. Read my post about it.

[mocking_loudly_died]

You're so delusional Caraway, when was the last time Finland was a world military power?, did your nation ever conquer the known world?

Name the recent wars that Finland has proven to be such a superior fighting machine, you know JACK **** about the British military history.

You know nothing about The Parachute Regiment, the Royal Marine Commandos, the Special Air Service, the Special Boat Service - or even what the average squadie does.

The British military has been at the forefront of ALL major combat operations since its birth as a collective entity.

What a complete **** head you are.

Read a book one day - YOU FRIGGING CONSCRIPT.

[Caraway]

Well, we conscripts very seldom get ourselves in a war.
My point was that professional armies get much more unwanted people to recruit than conscripts armies get, and conscript armies has something to choose from.
My point was not to say that professional armies are worse than conscript ones.
Professional armies get more from training their recruits longer than conscript armies. So, I guess that professional armies are more effective than conscript ones. It's not an offensive it's my opinion, OK?

But, still I "vote" for draft in USA. So that you would have more to choose from. And if I "vote" for draft, it just means that I want even more better army for USA (or for whatever professional army).