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LaoSexMachine
03-19-2007, 08:44 PM
High Court Hears "Bong Hits" Case



(CBS/AP) A high school principal was acting reasonably and in accord with the school's anti-drug mission when she suspended a student for displaying a "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner, her lawyer told the Supreme Court Monday.

"The message here is, in fact, critical," the lawyer, former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, said during a lively argument about whether the principal violated the constitutional rights of the student.

On the other side, attorney Douglas Mertz of Juneau, Alaska, urged the justices to see the case as being about free speech, not drugs.

The dispute between Joseph Frederick, who in 2002 was a high school senior, and principal Deborah Morse has become an important test of the limits on the free speech rights of students.

Justice Stephen Breyer, addressing Mertz, said he is struggling with the case because a ruling in Frederick's favor could encourage students to go to absurd lengths to test those limits.

A ruling for Morse, however, "may really limit free speech," Breyer said.

The Bush administration, backing Morse, wants the court to adopt a broad rule that could essentially give public schools the right to clamp down on any speech with which it disagrees.

Scores of students waited outside the court early Monday for a chance to listen to the arguments.

"I would never do it, but at the same time, it's free speech," said Chaim Frenkel, 17, of Silver Spring, Md. Frenkel was one of 13 seniors and their teacher from the Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy who arrived at the court at 4:30 a.m. EDT.

Natasha Braithwaite, 20, a junior at Columbia Union College in Takoma Park, Md., got in line at 7 a.m. with a definite opinion about the case. "In every possible way, his First Amendment rights were violated," Braithwaite said.

Frederick was a high school senior in Juneau when he decided to display the banner at a school-sanctioned event to watch the Olympic torch pass through the city on its way to the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City.

Morse believed his "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner was a pro-drug message that schools should not tolerate. She suspended Frederick for 10 days. Frederick sued Morse, and that case now is before the court.

Frederick acknowledged he was trying to provoke a reaction from school administrators with whom he had feuded, but he denied that he was speaking out in favor of drugs or anything other than free speech. A bong is a water pipe that is used to smoke marijuana.

"I waited until the perfect moment to unveil it, as the TV cameras (following the torch relay) passed," Frederick said.

Morse and the Juneau school district argue that schools will be powerless to discipline students who promote illegal drugs if the court sides with Frederick. The Bush administration, other school boards and anti-drug school groups are supporting Morse.

Frederick, now 23, counters that students could be silenced if the court reverses the appellate ruling. A wide assortment of conservative and liberal advocacy groups are behind Frederick.

"What we've seen is schools overextending their power over students through zero tolerance policies," said John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute. "And what's happened is it has completely decimated our First Amendment."

CBS News correspondent Barry Bagnato reports it is a fascinating case that gives the high court a chance to revisit rulings that grew out of the protest years of the 1960s. In a Vietnam War-era case, the court backed high school student anti-war protesters who wore armbands to class. Since then, though, the court has sanctioned curtailing student speech when it is disruptive to a school's educational mission, plainly offensive or part of a school-sponsored activity like a student newspaper.

National School Boards Association lawyer Francisco Negron said he felt the key question is how come the principal is facing a lawsuit. "We think its rather severe to punish them personally for just acting in good faith and doing their job," said Negron.

A federal appeals court called Frederick's message "vague and nonsensical" in ruling that his civil rights had been violated. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also said Morse would have to compensate Frederick for her actions because she should have known they violated the Constitution.

Frederick, who teaches English and studies Mandarin in China, was not expected at the court for the argument. Two years after the banner incident, Frederick pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of selling marijuana, according to Texas court records.

The case is Morse v. Frederick, 06-278.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/19/supremecourt/main2584372.shtml

Miles.
03-19-2007, 08:49 PM
Public school students have zero de facto free speech protections.

I'm not sure they should, either.

JQ24
03-19-2007, 09:12 PM
Hahaha. Wow this small town I live in is getting some media attention. I still remember that incident. I was a couple of yards away and across the street from the sign. Nobody really thought much about it at the time, except for our principal, until the Olympic torch had long passed by.

Calanen
03-19-2007, 11:36 PM
I'm predicting that this will be determined on the basis that this goes too far as free speech, because it promotes illegal conduct, and that it will be valid for public schools to take steps to prevent speech which promotes illegal activity. That's where I think they are going to be stuffed. If the banner said, Change the Law, Legalise Marijuana - they would probably be OK. But inciting or promoting anything illegal makes your case for it being considered as protected free speech very difficult to win.

Lefty
03-20-2007, 12:47 AM
the street side is public property though, despite the fact it was a school "sanctioned" event, that doesn't make it a school "sponsered" event. If he "signed his life away" to watch the event (making it sponsered for the purposes of this arguemnt), then he was technically in school at the time and under the protection and administration of the school district.

If he had just shown up, the school has ZERO power, teachers can barely intervine when they know a student is being abused at home except through official channels, so a ruling in favor of the principal would show a serious lack of prioritizing and a dangerous precedent to overrule the first amendment for anyone under 18.

Calanen, I would agree with you, but in the past the court has ruled that anything not "obscene or threatening" is protected, this is neither really. If the message was deemed "vague on nonsenscial" by a lower court I doubt the supreme court would see much differently.

PPSH41
03-20-2007, 02:13 AM
the street side is public property though, despite the fact it was a school "sanctioned" event, that doesn't make it a school "sponsered" event. If he "signed his life away" to watch the event (making it sponsered for the purposes of this arguemnt), then he was technically in school at the time and under the protection and administration of the school district.

If he had just shown up, the school has ZERO power, teachers can barely intervine when they know a student is being abused at home except through official channels, so a ruling in favor of the principal would show a serious lack of prioritizing and a dangerous precedent to overrule the first amendment for anyone under 18.

Calanen, I would agree with you, but in the past the court has ruled that anything not "obscene or threatening" is protected, this is neither really. If the message was deemed "vague on nonsenscial" by a lower court I doubt the supreme court would see much differently.

Though i think the kid's parents should give him a swift kick in the behind, I guess I have to agree with you. Mainly I suppose it depends on through what means he was at the event. If it was specifically a school event, meaning he was there under supervision of the school, then the school would be responsible for what he does and has every right to punish/restrict his actions under its code of conduct. But if he just showed up there, not specifically with the school, then theres not a whole lot the school can do.

alfigel
03-20-2007, 09:32 AM
I can't recognize how "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" is a pro-drug statement of any kind. It's not even a complete sentence. What does it mean anyway? That a true Christian should take hits from a bong? That Jesus himself should take hits from a bong? (maybe the THC from the incense wasn't enough...)

Kaplanr
03-20-2007, 10:54 AM
I bet after lots of prevarication about responsibility and abuse of priviledges that they find for the student. "Bong Hits..." just doesn't meet the Holmes test of shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater. I'd bet if it had said "Bong hits for Britney" no one would have cared.

High School students do have protected rights, unless the court overtuerns "Tinker v. Des Moines."

2Sheds_Jackson
03-20-2007, 01:18 PM
I think the case will turn on what the nature of the event is determined to be. If it's determined to be essentially a "school function" - the school should be permitted to discipline him for breaking school rules while at school. It seems to me, that since the douche went there for the express purpose of antagonizing the school officials, he's standing on very shaky ground.

Herrmannek
03-20-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't get "Bong hits for Britney" at all. But I would agree on schools having right to remove content, clothes, banners etc from location. Of course if they ask student for his opinion, for example in a form of paper, they should be prepared students will have right to sport their constitutional rights and they will be able to give **** about that.