American Beslan

[Mr. JOSHUA]

An American Beslan?

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:20
PM PT

Homeland Security: As Democrats hold more silly hearings to embarrass Republicans, the FBI is warning local police to be alert for Muslim extremists hijacking school buses. Reality check, please.

We wonder if any of the grandstanding politicians on Capitol Hill are thinking in terms of one of these nuts driving a fertilizer-filled yellow bus up to a government building — or, easier yet, a school. Of course not.

They're too busy swooning over Valerie Plame to even notice we're still under threat from the Islamic terrorists they say we shouldn't be spying on.

The FBI and Homeland Security Department last week sent out a bulletin to law enforcement across the country warning that Muslims with "ties to extremist groups" are signing up to be school bus drivers. They also noted "recent suspicious activity" by foreigners who drive school buses or are licensed to drive them.

Recent events come on top of several other school bus-related incidents involving Mideast men that raise suspicion of terror activity.

They include last year's surprise boarding of a school bus in Florida by two Saudi men dressed in trench coats. Authorities suspect they were making a dry run to see how easy it would be to hijack or blow up a school bus filled with American children.

Previously, an Arab man from Detroit was caught trying to obtain a job as a school bus driver in New York using fake Social Security documents.

Authorities fear the school massacre that took place in Beslan, Russia, in 2004 may be a dress rehearsal for what al-Qaida plans to do here.

Chechen terrorists tied to al-Qaida seized a building in Beslan on the first day of school and slaughtered 338, including 172 kids.

Three years later, schools and local police in this country are still unprepared to deal with such an assault. Most don't have response plans for handling a single active shooter, let alone a cell of trained terrorists.

Yet terror cells secreted inside America may be planning to use buses as a Trojan horse to infiltrate school campuses and murder students and teachers. Floor plans for schools in Virginia, Texas and New Jersey have been recovered from terrorist hands in Iraq. Videotapes confiscated in
Afghanistan show al-Qaida terrorists practicing the takeover of a school.

Simultaneous attacks on schools in multiple states would follow Osama bin Laden's goal of crippling the U.S. economy. If multiple schools were hit, parents would drop out of the work force en masse to protect their children.

A prolonged labor disruption would cost businesses billions of dollars in lost revenue.

It's a grim picture. But don't think for a moment that al-Qaida is above targeting school children. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said in his Gitmo confession that while he may not like killing kids, they're fair game in jihad.

He claims U.S. forces bombed and killed the children of bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, and arrested and "abused" his own children.

These people have nothing better to do than sit around and think of ways to kill us and our most precious resource, our children. They have many helpers placed inside U.S. cities who canvass targets and perform other logistics for such attacks. And these people will stop at nothing to pull them off. They're just waiting for the right time, when our guard is down.

Are we witnessing with Muslim men trying to obtain bus licenses what some alert (but ignored) agents witnessed before 9/11 when they noticed a number of Muslim men training to obtain pilot's licenses? Are schools and children the target of the next wave of terror attacks?

Parents should be outraged that Washington would continue to play politics with national security. Instead of using hearings to score partisan points, Congress would best serve constituents by using that power to investigate the terror threat to schools and how best to protect our children from attack.

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[Backwoodshunter]

I'm surprised their just thinking of this now

[FillTheVoid]

They're too busy swooning over Valerie Plame to even notice we're still under threat from the Islamic terrorists they say we shouldn't be spying on.

QFT ..........

[usa320]

The democratic controlled congress is a complete and utter joke. They are having these stupid hearings for one to embarass the republican party and for two its the only thing any of them planned on doing once in office... Its easier for them to go on a witchunt than introduce new legislation. Quite frankly, the congress is failing to do its job.

[Dasein]

So, while the Democrats investigate more corruption in the White House, the Republicans try and distract people with some unfounded threat about terrorism. Sounds like typical Bush tactics - when things get a bit too hot, just rachet of the fear factor. People aren't buying it, and can see the desperation in Bush's moves.

[houdakye]

Recommend that Congress catch up on some reading: "Terror at Beslan" by John Riduck.
And take in a movie: "Obsession, Radical Islam's War on the West".

[Mr. JOSHUA]

So, while the Democrats investigate more corruption in the White House, the Republicans try and distract people with some unfounded threat about terrorism. Sounds like typical Bush tactics - when things get a bit too hot, just rachet of the fear factor. People aren't buying it, and can see the desperation in Bush's moves.

I suppose the Beslan Siege was a Bush conspiracy aswell to put the spotlight on something else? :roll:

[Firetxmi]

I know as a libertarian my sole goal in life is to embarrass the Republican Party.

To me this is just another one of Joshua's persecution paranoia threads.

[offers Josh another cup of Koolaid]

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The democratic controlled congress is a complete and utter joke. They are having these stupid hearings for one to embarass the republican party and for two its the only thing any of them planned on doing once in office... Its easier for them to go on a witchunt than introduce new legislation. Quite frankly, the congress is failing to do its job.Well if you "f*ck up" you get "f*cked over", law of the jungle.

[Dasein]

I suppose the Beslan Siege was a Bush conspiracy aswell to put the spotlight on something else?

What does this have to do with anything?

[Firetxmi]

The democratic controlled congress is a complete and utter joke. They are having these stupid hearings for one to embarass the republican party

The irony almost eluded me!


Think back, who tried oh so hard to embarrass who?

[Laworkerbee]

Simultaneous attacks on schools in multiple states would follow Osama bin Laden's goal of crippling the U.S. economy. If multiple schools were hit, parents would drop out of the work force en masse to protect their children.

I don't buy that for a second....

I do get shivers thinking about what the American peoples response would be to an attack of this sort.

Dasein the threat is not unfounded, Beslan is a good example and Iraqi insurgents are now using children as decoys to get VBIED through checkpoints and then detonating the children inside the vehicles....

[dangerclose]

Why do they hate us?

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I know as a libertarian my sole goal in life is to embarrass the Republican Party.

To me this is just another one of Joshua's persecution paranoia threads.

[offers Josh another cup of Koolaid]

Wow, this from the intellectual liberal, instead of giving a well thought out post on how the entire congress should make an effort to investigate "real" suspicious activity instead of grandstanding, you put a juvenile one shot jab........... I will no longer acknowledge you.......


What does this have to do with anything?


You implied that bringing up a real and present threat is nothing more than a ploy by Bush to take the attention off his own misgivings........

So then I ask you, was the Beslan seige a covert operation conceived by Bush to take the attention off whatever misgivings were happening at the time?

[Firetxmi]

Wow, this from the intellectual liberal, instead of giving a well thought out post on how the entire congress should make an effort to investigate "real" suspicious activity instead of grandstanding, you put a juvenile one shot jab........... I will no longer acknowledge you.......

I'm crying. No really. :lol:

[WARPIG]

So, while the Democrats investigate more corruption in the White House, the Republicans try and distract people with some unfounded threat about terrorism. Sounds like typical Bush tactics - when things get a bit too hot, just rachet of the fear factor. People aren't buying it, and can see the desperation in Bush's moves.

Funny.. I thought that the gloom and doom tactics were a liberal thing.

Partisan or not.. the democrats aren't doing anything but sharpshooting the Republicans. Republicans are just as good at dirty pool but I see things a bit one sided right now. Every aspect of our War on Terror is being torn apart by the same democrats that supported it just a few years ago. I hate to rehash this cliche but this whole defeatist campaign dems are running is really damaging to the country. We can debate until we're blue in the face about how the Republicans F'ed things up.. but dems not only had a part in the foul ups.. but continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution.

Really disappointing to see. We really need some leadership from the Dems rather than this current popularity contest.

[Dasein]

We have no evidence of any clear threat, merely a single incident where some 'mideastern types' got on a bus. Hyping this as a huge security threat, and doing so now, while the Bush adminsitration is coming under real fire, as opposed to last year, when the cited event occured, is obviously a tactic to draw attention off Bush's corruption.

[Firetxmi]

Meanwhile Joshua:


Members of suspected extremist groups have signed up to drive school buses nationwide, federal authorities said yesterday in a law-enforcement bulletin, but the FBI said there was no reason for parents or children to be concerned.
"There is no threat, there is no plot," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko told The Washington Times. "Parents and children should feel safe in riding the nation's school buses. They have nothing to fear." He said the FBI had no information leading it to conclude "there is any reason for concern."
Mr. Kolko said the bulletin was sent only as part of an ongoing program by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to inform the nation's 18,000 law-enforcement agencies on possible terrorist scenarios. He described the bulletin as an educational tool to help local police officers identify and respond to any suspicious activity.
School buses long have been a concern to federal law-enforcement authorities and others regarding potential terrorist threats and the government has sought to educate and train schools, bus drivers and others to be alert to them.
It was not clear yesterday what actually prompted the school bus bulletin and also why it did not reach several local officials.
Police officials in Prince George's County, Montgomery County and the District's Metropolitan Police Department had no information yesterday that they had received such a bulletin.
John White, a Prince George's County schools spokesman, said he was not aware of the bulletin. He said the system's bus drivers are required to pass a criminal background check as a condition of employment with the county.
According to law-enforcement authorities familiar with the document, the bulletin noted "recent suspicious activity" by foreigners who either drive school buses or are licensed to drive them, although it did not elaborate. First reported by the Associated Press, the bulletin did not include information on how often foreign extremists had sought to acquire licenses to drive school buses or in what states, cities or counties.
The bulletin also said foreigners under recent investigation including "some with ties to extremist groups" have been able to "purchase buses and acquire licenses," but noted that the FBI and Homeland Security had "no information" showing that foreign nationals were involved in a terrorist plot.
It also said, according to the authorities, that most attempts by foreign nationals in the United States to acquire school bus licenses to drive them "are legitimate."
Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke told reporters there was no information of any immediate threat to the country and no credible information to suggest terrorists were "involved in buying school buses or seeking licenses to drive them."
Homeland Security has funded a $21 million program for the American Trucking Association known as the Highway Watch. The program trains commercial truck and bus drivers, school bus drivers, highway maintenance crews, bridge and tunnel toll collectors and others highway professionals to identify and report safety and security concerns on the nation's roads.
The program provides information and communications infrastructure to prepare hundreds of thousands of transportation professionals to respond in the event they or their cargo are the target of a terrorist attack and to share valuable intelligence with Homeland Security if they detect potential threats.
Link:http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070316-113247-6432r.htm

All I can think of:

"Paranoia, Paranoia everybody's coming to get me" -Greenday; "Paranoia"

[Mr. JOSHUA]

We have no evidence of any clear threat, merely a single incident where some 'mideastern types' got on a bus. Hyping this as a huge security threat, and doing so now, while the Bush adminsitration is coming under real fire, as opposed to last year, when the cited event occured, is obviously a tactic to draw attention off Bush's corruption.


You can't answer my question can you?

[WARPIG]

We have no evidence of any clear threat, merely a single incident where some 'mideastern types' got on a bus. Hyping this as a huge security threat, and doing so now, while the Bush adminsitration is coming under real fire, as opposed to last year, when the cited event occured, is obviously a tactic to draw attention off Bush's corruption.

I don't know who the "we" you are referring to is, but my guess is just you. I can't divulge anything specific due to OPSEC, but there are more than a few threats that have come up recently. I just got a bullet today about a possible change to our threatcon due to the intel coming down. Nothing substantial but definately more than just some single incident in hopes of drawing attention away from "teh evil bush".

Is it common for libs to respond to everything with conspiracy theory?

[Dasein]

You can't answer my question can you?

What exactly were you asking?

[Laworkerbee]

So, while the Democrats investigate more corruption in the White House, the Republicans try and distract people with some unfounded threat about terrorism.

ONCE AGAIN ITS NOT UNFOUNDED..

and god forbid it would happen you would jump up and scream "it's Bush's fault"

[Mr. JOSHUA]

What exactly were you asking?


uuugghh, look on the previous page.................

[Zarathustra]

We have no evidence of any clear threat, merely a single incident where some 'mideastern types' got on a bus. Hyping this as a huge security threat, and doing so now, while the Bush adminsitration is coming under real fire, as opposed to last year, when the cited event occured, is obviously a tactic to draw attention off Bush's corruption.

I don't think so. There are tons of warnings from the secret service all around the world about terrorism that come to the Western Govn't office, each of them taken very seriously.

It's not all about politics, the 9/11 would have happened with Clinton in the WH.

[Firetxmi]

"There is no threat, there is no plot," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko told The Washington Times. "Parents and children should feel safe in riding the nation's school buses. They have nothing to fear." He said the FBI had no information leading it to conclude "there is any reason for concern."

Link:http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070316-113247-6432r.htm

[shocker1]

"There is no threat, there is no plot," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko told The Washington Times. "Parents and children should feel safe in riding the nation's school buses. They have nothing to fear." He said the FBI had no information leading it to conclude "there is any reason for concern." Well considering past performance, I will take that with a grain of salt.

Still though why compare a fearful thought to a terrible tragedy? Those kids did die there and using the name to evoke hysteria is low down. We could discuss this without that.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

We have no evidence of any clear threat, merely a single incident where some 'mideastern types' got on a bus. Hyping this as a huge security threat, and doing so now, while the Bush adminsitration is coming under real fire, as opposed to last year, when the cited event occured, is obviously a tactic to draw attention off Bush's corruption.

Nobody has hyped it as a huge security threat - in fact, the news release was specifically worded to indicate there was no specific threat. But, hey, this is America, and you're free to pretend it means whatever you like, and free to pretend that somebody somewhere has evidence that Bush is "corrupt" (whatever that means).

But for the rest of us, the real world remains - a world which is dangerous, and in which we must be constantly on our guard - and yet the Democrats have chosen to expend their energy, time, and resources in solidifying their power rather than defending the nation.

Take the latest Democrat circle jerk - the investigation into the lawyer firings. Anybody know what it's about? It's about nothing. These are political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the President. They are appointed in order to carry out the administration's agenda, and to give the administration the power to dismiss them if they don't. And so apparently there was a plan to dismiss some - so what? That's the system working exactly as designed. Clinton fired a bunch of them, including one who was investigating him and his business partner's dealings in Arkansas. But there the Democrats sit, in a circle, in front of the cameras, with the hand cream, investigating nothing to great effect.

It's enough to almost make you wish that something significant would happen, to snap these goddamn self-important twits out of their obsession with power,and maybe avoid a bigger disaster down the road. Hey assholes - the enemy is outside the beltway.

[Laworkerbee]

Clinton fired a bunch of them, including one who was investigating him and his business partner's dealings in Arkansas. [/I]

I thought Old Bill purged all of them which of course was his right as the president.

So why the boo-hoo now from the Left?

[California Joe]

The Democrat held congress, which has been in control for what? a couple of months? WTF were the Republicans doing about all these scary security threats when they held congress for the previous 6 f*cking years of W's presidency? Jack sh*t. Reality check please?

[shocker1]

The Democrat held congress, which has been in control for what? a couple of months? WTF were the Republicans doing about all these scary security threats when they held congress for the previous 6 f*cking years of W's presidency? Jack sh*t. Reality check please?
We are doomed, one speaks from the toothless one while the other does not know what the other hand is doing. All the while in backrooms they plot together world domination and subjugation of America.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

The Democrat held congress, which has been in control for what? a couple of months? WTF were the Republicans doing about all these scary security threats when they held congress for the previous 6 f*cking years of W's presidency? Jack sh*t. Reality check please?


Not a damn thing, but the majority of them were not going around undermining W every step of the way either...........

[California Joe]

You're right pal, and the price of ammo is going up. :)

Let me clarify, Nancy Pelosi and company are by and large acting like vindictive pricks but maybe they wouldn't seem so rabid if there had been some semblance of checks and balances for the last 6 years.

Joshua, maybe he needed a little "undermining" and by that I mean someone with a backbone in Congress besides Bernie frigging Sanders to disagree with him once in a while before he stepped on his ****.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

OK, OK, he needed someone with an opposing view to balance him out, but the fact is, that majority of naysayers were just grandstanding and the ones who where legitamately arguing the case against the invasion had their sides of the story cherry picked to meet the "War Mongering Republican" quota.....

[Hydro]

....you're talking to shocker, aren't you???



Man you sounded like a jealous husband there p-) (Damn you, and damn your editing.)


As soon as any studies by the powers that be regarding terrible events get leaked, you can expect a reaction like this; people assume that they're acting on immediate intel rather than preparing for the worst. Here a study and exercise was undertaken a few months back by the security and intelligence services dealing with just that; a school mass hostage taking.

[Laworkerbee]

Man you sounded like a jealous husband there p-) (Damn you, and damn your editing.)

rofl My immediate thought as well

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Man you sounded like a jealous husband there p-) (Damn you, and damn your editing.)


As soon as any studies by the powers that be regarding terrible events get leaked, you can expect a reaction like this; people assume that they're acting on immediate intel rather than preparing for the worst. Here a study and exercise was undertaken a few months back by the security and intelligence services dealing with just that; a school mass hostage taking.


rofl My immediate thought as well


.......thought he was praising me there for a second, was leaning towards hell no, but had to ask to see............

......got my answer on the edit.............

.........pretty sure he'll have more delightful praise for me..............

[California Joe]

OK, OK, he needed someone with an opposing view to balance him out, but the fact is, that majority of naysayers were just grandstanding and the ones who where legitamately arguing the case against the invasion had their sides of the story cherry picked to meet the "War Mongering Republican" quota.....

I completely agree. There are only a few that stood up and said "This is retarded" that meant it. I have no respect for people like Hillary that now parse every damned thing they say regarding their reasoning for their votes to abdicate their power to declare war.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I completely agree. There are only a few that stood up and said "This is retarded" that meant it. I have no respect for people like Hillary that now parse every damned thing they say regarding their reasoning for their votes to abdicate their power to declare war.


........you shouldn't agree with me............

you're libel to be called paranoid, extreme rightwinger...................

regardless, that is a good statement on how certain politicians on both sides of the aisle get to flow with the wind regardless of whichever direction its blowing............

[shocker1]

What the hell is this? :) Did I bust a bubble?


Originally Posted by Mr. JOSHUA http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2384233#post2384233)
....you're talking to shocker, aren't you???

[WARPIG]

........you shouldn't agree with me............

you're libel to be called paranoid, extreme rightwinger...................

regardless, that is a good statement on how certain politicians on both sides of the aisle get to flow with the wind regardless of whichever direction its blowing............

Exactly. As a rightwinger.. I tend to give Dubya more benefit of the doubt than he deserves..but his mangled presidency isn't excuse enough for hack work the dems are running right now. The damn YES MAN administration managed to exclude the very people that could have kept them out of hot water while the dems managed to do f*ck all. It's like the entire Dem party is nothing more than a gang of idiot savants at contridiction. The Republican party has no one to speak of leadership wise because anyone with a pair got pushed out of the yes man club. Powell tried to call bull**** more than once and he magically found the door out.

So, even the War on Terror is billed as some imaginary threat that the warmongering neocons are dreaming up to keep the focus off of George Bush. For what? What does hammering Dubya do for the dems? Just more material for them to make asses of themselves. Dubya stepped on his own d*ck for sure.. but he sure is taking heat for a lot of crap that Dems are equally responsible for. I think this "misdirection" tactic is just to take focus off of the Dems lack of leadership and the fact that the liberals have managed to screw up that political party.

[Firetxmi]

I tend to give Dubya more benefit of the doubt than he deserves..but his mangled presidency isn't excuse enough for hack work the dems are running right now. The damn YES MAN administration managed to exclude the very people that could have kept them out of hot water while the dems managed to do f*ck all.

I think a lot of them Dems. gave him the benefit of the doubt and were at the very least subtle "yes men."

[Mr. JOSHUA]

What the hell is this? :) Did I bust a bubble?

Nothing.........Now get that silly notion out of your head.........


Exactly. As a rightwinger.. I tend to give Dubya more benefit of the doubt than he deserves..but his mangled presidency isn't excuse enough for hack work the dems are running right now. The damn YES MAN administration managed to exclude the very people that could have kept them out of hot water while the dems managed to do f*ck all. It's like the entire Dem party is nothing more than a gang of idiot savants at contridiction. The Republican party has no one to speak of leadership wise because anyone with a pair got pushed out of the yes man club. Powell tried to call bull**** more than once and he magically found the door out.

So, even the War on Terror is billed as some imaginary threat that the warmongering neocons are dreaming up to keep the focus off of George Bush. For what? What does hammering Dubya do for the dems? Just more material for them to make asses of themselves. Dubya stepped on his own d*ck for sure.. but he sure is taking heat for a lot of crap that Dems are equally responsible for. I think this "misdirection" tactic is just to take focus off of the Dems lack of leadership and the fact that the liberals have managed to screw up that political party.

Well said.......

[Firetxmi]

Ugh. Anyone else tiring of Joshua's excessive and inappropriate use of periods? :D

[shocker1]

Ugh. Anyone else tiring of Joshua's excessive and inappropriate use of periods? :D
I was always taught that was an expression of blank thought.:)

Just messin with ya Joshua, I agree with you most of the time.

[Laworkerbee]

Ugh. Anyone else tiring of Joshua's excessive and inappropriate use of periods? :D

Once again another perfect example of Lefties muzzling free speech of which ..............................is a protected form :backhand:

[Firetxmi]

Once again another perfect example of Lefties muzzling free speech of which ..............................is a protected form :backhand:

................sorry......................

.............................I must hate America.......................

:lol:

[Laworkerbee]

................sorry......................

.............................I must hate America.......................

:lol:

Firetxmi Why do you hate Jesus...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................

[usa320]

Exactly. As a rightwinger.. I tend to give Dubya more benefit of the doubt than he deserves..but his mangled presidency isn't excuse enough for hack work the dems are running right now. The damn YES MAN administration managed to exclude the very people that could have kept them out of hot water while the dems managed to do f*ck all. It's like the entire Dem party is nothing more than a gang of idiot savants at contridiction. The Republican party has no one to speak of leadership wise because anyone with a pair got pushed out of the yes man club. Powell tried to call bull**** more than once and he magically found the door out.

So, even the War on Terror is billed as some imaginary threat that the warmongering neocons are dreaming up to keep the focus off of George Bush. For what? What does hammering Dubya do for the dems? Just more material for them to make asses of themselves. Dubya stepped on his own d*ck for sure.. but he sure is taking heat for a lot of crap that Dems are equally responsible for. I think this "misdirection" tactic is just to take focus off of the Dems lack of leadership and the fact that the liberals have managed to screw up that political party.

This notion, i do second.

[Firetxmi]

Firetxmi Why do you hate Jesus...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Wow! Your creative use of periods made the bottom scroll bar on my window appear! :D

[Laworkerbee]

LOOOOL man I wish we could all go get beers together

[vryhpyammoadded]

It's enough to almost make you wish that something significant would happen, to snap these goddamn self-important twits out of their obsession with power,and maybe avoid a bigger disaster down the road. Hey assholes - the enemy is outside the beltway.
Sad thought but truly well said! But, if an American Beslan or a bunch of busses brew up, I’m certain “the most honest congress ever” and the “unbiased” media will make sure we get an earful of whose fault they say it is.
The more I watch Pelosi’s “Most honest congress ever” do the same dam corrupt old Hill replay thing and then listen to the gullible doom and gloom, media induced, ignorant knee jerk melodrama ditto heads in the company snack bar, the more I worry about the future.
Sure Joe, Bush has pulled a few ***** moves; much agreement here. I’d just be happy if the people wise up and see all the power elite for what they truly are. Shocker describes them well.

Hell, I’m beginning to think like x-tab that this country has become some absurd joke.

By the way, the US Beslan and Bus "dreams" have always been popular chatter among the bad guys way back.

Excellent rant Warpig! woot

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Hell, I’m beginning to think like x-tab that this country has become some absurd joke.


Well, our politics and policy making sure is. It's very disheartening. Our new Bestest Congress Ever™ has kicked off it's Let's All Run Away war policy by pimping out a porkbarrel war funding bill which, for some reason includes;



$74 million for peanut storage
$25 million for spinach growers
$100 million for citrus growers.
$16 million to convert the old Food and Drug Administration building in southwest D.C. into more office space for the Capitol. That "emergency" expenditure comes at a time when taxpayers already shell out $600 million "more than double the original estimate" for a mammoth expansion of the Capitol, which includes 160,000 feet of new office space.


Huzzah. How many vests or up-armored vehicles would that $215 million in pork buy? Way to buy the votes there, Nancy.

[Lefty]

The War on Terror isn't an empty threat IMO, and both congresses feel like playing vote roulette with it, then however the spinner lands on is going to get a nasty surprise when a suicide bomber hit somewhere...

I think congress honestly doesn't realize it's playing with fire when it comes to terror, I think they've taken the entire thing for granted for the last 6 years.

Pork, legislative bickering, winning votes is just part of the business of politics, that will never end, regardless of how many empty promises they make. The severe lack of legislative oversight, and the likely reactionary standpoint of the current congress, hunting for scandel, is the most dangerous thing this country faces in terms of terrorism, and you can damn well bet that doesn't have party lines. The presidency is bungled right now, but Bush is gone in a year, rather than trying to pin the guy with something, let him go, and work to fix all the stuff that has gone wrong over the past few years.

what congress should be doing:
-Cutting the Federal Deficit
-Alternate Energy funding, the economic killer in the Mid-East race
-Reinvigorating American's to restart the war on terror, making them aware that it isn't won because you put a flag on your SUV
-not ****ing around with obscure social issues rather than running the nation
-Getting back some of that respect we had in the world
-Might want to get on that globabl warming thing too, can't hurt just to check it out right?

[gaijinsamurai]

...and what did the Republican-controlled Congress focus on when Clinton was president? BJs from interns? Making "Whitewater" a mountain out of a molehill"? Shutting down the government in a childish gesture to show what happens when someone doesn't get their way?

[noname]

It's like the entire Dem party is nothing more than a gang of idiot savants at contridiction.


I find that offensive - comparing idiot savants to democrats. Idiot savants can atleast kick major ass on Jeopardy and recall airline schedules.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I was always taught that was an expression of blank thought.:)

Just messin with ya Joshua, I agree with you most of the time.

No, it was specifically created to annoy those who disagree with me........
....heres more......................................and more.........................................those who despise me should be pulling their hair out right about now.........................................at this stage the seizures start to kick in............................




Once again another perfect example of Lefties muzzling free speech of which ..............................is a protected form :backhand:

Ohhh the hypocrisy.................


LOOOOL man I wish we could all go get beers together

Id say wait till a friday or any other particular day that we know we are all off and just drink a beer in front of the computer and yak away about things we can't do anything about.......................

[Firetxmi]

No, it was specifically created to annoy those who disagree with me........
....heres more......................................and more.........................................those who despise me should be pulling their hair out right about now.........................................at this stage the seizures start to kick in............................



To take a page from your playbook: "I will ignore you now." [Storms off like a little kid]

Oh, and your not coming to my birthday party! :lol:

Hope everyone is having a good day, I know I am!

Keep smiling!

[phoilme]

Let's quote Greenday! They "won" a Grammy. When it happens again, the gutless democrats can feign concern for a while. That's what they do. All about presentation and nothing about legitmate substance.

[phoilme]

New Thread: What would it take for you to sell out our troops? Look at the pork spending in that so called Iraq budget and you will see. They support the troops my arse! What do you democrats care about the war? You want to keep it going. You want what the media keeps reporting to continue. This is the only way you can project concern to your sorry, gutless, hypocritcal, lying, hedonistic, worthless, pathetic and spineless arses! Civil War II. I'm planning a 20 to one kill ratio.

[California Joe]

Do you honestly believe there was less pork in a Republican controlled Congress than now? If you do I have some beautiful swampland in Florida to sell you and the good news is you may qualify for one of those new Democrat sponsored grants for retards.

[shocker1]

Do you honestly believe there was less pork in a Republican controlled Congress than now? If you do I have some beautiful swampland in Florida to sell you and the good news is you may qualify for one of those new Democrat sponsored grants for retards.
Well the pork changed hands and most went out West. They are right now delaying the new lock at the Chickamgua Dam. Takes 20min to get through that thing, taking up fishin time. Spend pork on dam's, roads and studies into more realistic breast implants.

[phoilme]

Oh, I believe, and I think a similar bill if sposored by Republicans were intorduced you would still see the pork. what does that have to do with the fact that right now this is so. The Dems are in control and the Dems are selling out in order to get perks for their cut off of a situation they are condemming when they should be supporting. Why not support this war? You scum democrats voted for it. Is that your pathetic defense? Because the republicans added pork to past bills? I'm jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, care to join me?

[California Joe]

Oh, I believe, and I think a similar bill if sposored by Republicans were intorduced you would still see the pork. what does that have to do with the fact that right now this is so. The Dems are in control and the Dems are selling out in order to get perks for their cut off of a situation they are condemming when they should be supporting. Why not support this war? You scum democrats voted for it. Is that your pathetic defense? Because the republicans added pork to past bills? I'm jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, care to join me?


Nice talk there Hannity.

No my point is that there is no frigging difference between the two of them when it comes to self interest. Big surprise, the Democrats have a hard on for the current administration. That never happened in previous administrations or anything. Most of the spineless Democrat pricks that voted to give W carte blanche did so because they were afraid of being labeled as terrorist sympathizers and now they own congress so it's payback time. Either that or they have defense contractors in their districts and they saw the windfall coming, just like their Republican colleagues. They are all exactly the same.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Well the pork changed hands and most went out West. They are right now delaying the new lock at the Chickamgua Dam. Takes 20min to get through that thing, taking up fishin time. Spend pork on dam's, roads and studies into more realistic breast implants.

LOL.............retard........rofl


Oh, I believe, and I think a similar bill if sposored by Republicans were intorduced you would still see the pork. what does that have to do with the fact that right now this is so. The Dems are in control and the Dems are selling out in order to get perks for their cut off of a situation they are condemming when they should be supporting. Why not support this war? You scum democrats voted for it. Is that your pathetic defense? Because the republicans added pork to past bills? I'm jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, care to join me?


Don't stoop to name calling like them, look, I know where you're coming from, but the fact is, republicans have had their pork too, Dubai Ports deal was a good example of that aswell as the Texas Trans Corridor, both of these issues pissed off alot of conservatives.............

If Bush was so willing to disband the Iraqi army after the main conflict without regard for what would happen after that, then I say we should pressure him to disband the entire congress and senate and let new people run for seats, none of the old guard, none at all.

This way, we'll finally remove the ticks that have been embedded in our skin for years and years, just sucking the life out of the country.....

[shocker1]

LOL.............retard........rofl




Don't stoop to name calling like them, look, I know where you're coming from, but the fact is, republicans have had their pork too, Dubai Ports deal was a good example of that aswell as the Texas Trans Corridor, both of these issues pissed off alot of conservatives.............

If Bush was so willing to disband the Iraqi army after the main conflict without regard for what would happen after that, then I say we should pressure him to disband the entire congress and senate and let new people run for seats, none of the old guard, none at all.

This way, we'll finally remove the ticks that have been embedded in our skin for years and years, just sucking the life out of the country.....
Oh the irony, why call me a retard? I thought I was making a funny in a witty way.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Oh the irony, why call me a retard? I thought I was making a funny in a witty way.


I was showing my blatent hypocrisy...... fuel for my enemies............

Oh and yes, it was witty.

[California Joe]

Remember, I never called you a retard when I try to get my Triumph Spitfire running this summer and I ask you 937 "retarded" questions OK pal?

[phoilme]

So, no vote to do the right thing? Why support terrorists now then? Fake "torture" in GITMO, questioning the absence of rights for terrorists, past history of supporting terror, questioning our actions, supporting leaders who denegrad the Bush administration. I just wish democrats would stop treating Iraq like a lost cause and more like a Branch-Dividian compound.

[shocker1]

Remember, I never called you a retard when I try to get my Triumph Spitfire running this summer and I ask you 937 "retarded" questions OK pal?
What he hell are you talking about? You have not yet because it is not summer? How can I remember something from the future? So you are assuming this summer you will ask retarded questions. No matter I will help and treat your questions like a paying customer.

[Miles.]

I'm fairly certain that if you disagree with Mr. JOSHUA, you're a hostile retard.

[California Joe]

So, no vote to do the right thing? Why support terrorists now then? Fake "torture" in GITMO, questioning the absence of rights for terrorists, past history of supporting terror, questioning our actions, supporting leaders who denegrad the Bush administration. I just wish democrats would stop treating Iraq like a lost cause and more like a Branch-Dividian compound.

Nobody in either party, including the Baker Commission can figure out what the "right thing" to do is pal. It's a clusterf*ck. Who's supporting terrorists? The absence of rights for terrorists? How about the abrogation of rights for all Americans under some of the bullsh*t Patriot act? Something real Conservatives hate. If all it takes to imprison you without trial or any rights at all is to call you a terrorist then you're done. Personally I don't give a rats ass if most of those jokers that are at Gitmo get chucked in the Atlantic but the precedents that are being set will effect us all sooner or later. Nothing Liberal about that. You seem surprised that the opposing party is denigrating the current administration. Someone should have "denigrated" the Bush administration from the inside a long time ago. Then it wouldn't be an issue now. Your solution to the Iraq conflict is to burn it down?

[Mr. JOSHUA]

I'm fairly certain that if you disagree with Mr. JOSHUA, you're a hostile retard.


Agreed.......

Man Law?

[California Joe]

What he hell are you talking about? You have not yet because it is not summer? How can I remember something from the future? So you are assuming this summer you will ask retarded questions. No matter I will help and treat your questions like a paying customer.

It currently is in my driveway under a cover. It has a few issues that need adressing before it will run correctly. I'm just giving you fair warning that I shall be doing a mechanic impression when the weather is a bit warmer and I may need some of your earthy homespun southern wisdom.



You retard.

[Laworkerbee]

Nice talk there Hannity.

No my point is that there is no frigging difference between the two of them when it comes to self interest. Big surprise, the Democrats have a hard on for the current administration. That never happened in previous administrations or anything. Most of the spineless Democrat pricks that voted to give W carte blanche did so because they were afraid of being labeled as terrorist sympathizers and now they own congress so it's payback time. Either that or they have defense contractors in their districts and they saw the windfall coming, just like their Republican colleagues. They are all exactly the same.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

well said

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Politics is politics, and money buys votes. The difference is in what is being voted for. In this case, all that pork just bought us a 2008 deadline to withdraw from Iraq, which was included in the bill. It's bad enough that the Bestest Congress Ever has already picked up exactly where the old one left off, but at least, on balance, the last one was pulling in the right direction. We now have all the graft, corruption, underhanded deals, but all to advance an agenda that will turn into an even bigger mess.

[California Joe]

Maybe Rudy can sort them out.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Maybe Rudy can sort them out.



GO RUDY!!!!

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/tristar_pictures/rudy/sean_astin/rudy.jpg

[phoilme]

Take Rudy G. for a walk. The man flips more than a Chinese frog.

[Mastermind]

It is the natural way...when people feel safe they let their guard down. All the funky balony that is going on in Washington...on both sides of isle and in the White House, for that matter, is a result of security luxury. Our soldiers made a very good point about their complaints of how at home no one has a clue that we really are in a war. Our soldiers are being murdered every day and that seems to go right over most folks heads...our folks get more excited over Britney Spears shaving her idiotic head, for crying out loud.

Something will have to happen, regretfully...probably much worse than the Beslan event, to wake our people up to the stark threat we are facing.

I am astonished that some folks right here in this forum mock Mr. Joshua and others for even bringing attention to the threat the terrorists pose to this country.

I hate it that people are so "group stupid" that this has to be the case...many innocent people will have to pay the price. But, that seems to just be the natural way of things. MM

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Something will have to happen, regretfully...probably much worse than the Beslan event, to wake our people up to the stark threat we are facing.We Brits took years to convince the American people and their government that it was wrong to harbour and fund terrorists, it took an act of terror to finally convince you guys to do something but I sincerely hope it does not take another to keep you on track.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

It is the natural way...when people feel safe they let their guard down. All the funky balony that is going on in Washington...on both sides of isle and in the White House, for that matter, is a result of security luxury. Our soldiers made a very good point about their complaints of how at home no one has a clue that we really are in a war. Our soldiers are being murdered every day and that seems to go right over most folks heads...our folks get more excited over Britney Spears shaving her idiotic head, for crying out loud.

Something will have to happen, regretfully...probably much worse than the Beslan event, to wake our people up to the stark threat we are facing.

I am astonished that some folks right here in this forum mock Mr. Joshua and others for even bringing attention to the threat the terrorists pose to this country.

I hate it that people are so "group stupid" that this has to be the case...many innocent people will have to pay the price. But, that seems to just be the natural way of things. MM

Its alright MM, the people who respond maturely to the actual subject are the ones you should have a debate with, after all, not everyone agrees on everything, the ones who pop up sniping and haul ass while laughing are the ones who will regret the day that brings about "do or die".....

Call me paranoid or whatever, but I feel a lil peace of mind knowing that when I put "controversial articles" like this one, others think like me, not entirely like me, but they know whats going on and are not being hoodwinked by the media that after 9/11, life goes on, life goes on, but with a new twist.

You should go about your lives but also never forget what happened and the fact that is way far from over, the terrorist may have had a small victory in knocking down the towers, but their main goal of bringing down the "The Great Satan" was not achieved.

Always good to hear from ya MM.

[Mastermind]

Yes...you are so right, Mr. J.

But, what worries me is, on 9/11 ten times more Americans were killed than Russian citizens at Beslan....the acts were as bloody cold as any at Beslan...yet....we continue to nod off. Our leaders have no concept of unity in the face of a determined murderous adversary....our borders are wide open and we jail those who defend it...we allow people to mock our dead heros and their families.

What kind of people are we now? I wonder what it is going to take to get folks back into reality. If 9/11 didn't do it...I shudder to think what will.MM

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Yes...you are so right, Mr. J.

But, what worries me is, on 9/11 ten times more Americans were killed than Russian citizens at Beslan....the acts were as bloody cold as any at Beslan...yet....we continue to nod off. Our leaders have no concept of unity in the face of a determined murderous adversary....our borders are wide open and we jail those who defend it...we allow people to mock our dead heros and their families.

What kind of people are we now? I wonder what it is going to take to get folks back into reality. If 9/11 didn't do it...I shudder to think what will.MM


Dare I say that our leaders on both sides of the aisle rubbed their hands together and pondered on how to make money out of this rather than figuring out how to end this before it got out of hand.

[California Joe]

I may disagree with Joshua on several of his numerous conspiracy theories because he's mental and lets face it, it's fun. :) But I would never disagree with the fact that we are woefully underprepared for the next 9/11. I don't believe that much if anything has been done to make our borders more secure than they were before and the new, partisan bickering will do little to change that. Truth is we as a nation do not act like we are in a war. It's not WW2 and Starbucks are still serving coffee and we are still afforded the luxury of hanging out here posting on the internet.

[phoilme]

Look around in America. I don't see concern. All I see is misguided hate towards Bush and Cheaney. I see the media manipulating the reason why we need border security. I see the "real" problems in our country being so called Global Warming and dogs dying from bad food. I see nine out of ten people knowing the daily on Brittney and Angelena, but some how making an "informed" generalization of the Bush administration. I see an American public who sees this war as a distraction promigated by Bush in order to facilitate his natural deviousness and lust for money. I see a bunch of fat, stupid, lazy idiots who see it more honorable to reject a public education while learning good work values in order to pretend they are "playa's" living completely outside their very minor circumstances. I see a large population of losers on the dole who will fight having to take responsibility for their plight while a political party reenforces these illigitimate beliefs. I see a population that demands support with hands out while not taking any responisbility for the bed they made. I see casinos everywhere. I see the myth that the left loves children when our education system ranks well below 3rd world countries and abortion is on demand and violence is acceptable. I see a country where a person achieving Eagle Scout is rideculed, but a teen fathering three kids by three different mothers is louded.

[California Joe]

Put down the razor.....

24 hour news requires ratings and advertisers to succeed. Think about it. I would assert that news has become entertainment and the various news agencies and channels pander to their core audience. They do not shape public opinion but react to it and garner ratings by giving their viewers what they want.

By the way, historically speaking, no one ever got laid by being a f*cking Eagle Scout.

[Firetxmi]

Look around in America. I don't see concern. All I see is misguided hate towards Bush and Cheaney. I see the media manipulating the reason why we need border security. I see the "real" problems in our country being so called Global Warming and dogs dying from bad food. I see nine out of ten people knowing the daily on Brittney and Angelena, but some how making an "informed" generalization of the Bush administration. I see an American public who sees this war as a distraction promigated by Bush in order to facilitate his natural deviousness and lust for money. I see a bunch of fat, stupid, lazy idiots who see it more honorable to reject a public education while learning good work values in order to pretend they are "playa's" living completely outside their very minor circumstances. I see a large population of losers on the dole who will fight having to take responsibility for their plight while a political party reenforces these illigitimate beliefs. I see a population that demands support with hands out while not taking any responisbility for the bed they made. I see casinos everywhere. I see the myth that the left loves children when our education system ranks well below 3rd world countries and abortion is on demand and violence is acceptable. I see a country where a person achieving Eagle Scout is rideculed, but a teen fathering three kids by three different mothers is louded.

I see someone who blames all the problems of our nation on one political party or another.

If you were to look at it objectively, instead of what the media (Fox and WND?) wants you to see, you'd see it is a bipartisan issue not left or right, Republican or Democrat. Then again it is easier to blame all of life's woes on one group of people or another.

[Limeyfellow]

We Brits took years to convince the American people and their government that it was wrong to harbour and fund terrorists, it took an act of terror to finally convince you guys to do something but I sincerely hope it does not take another to keep you on track.

It hasn't really changed that much. You got terrorists who blown up Cuban airliners with offices just down the corridor from the president and protection in Florida. You got marxist terrorists bombing Iran getting protection from US forces in Iraq and numerous other cases. The only thing that has changed is the name and the groups. Way too many of these nutjobs were brought into fight war by proxies in the Cold War and they come back to bite us in the arse. The same will continue with the new generation. Its just strange that we used to train islamic extremists and others to fight communists and marxists. Now we train the later to fight the former.