Javalin misfire

[artinist]

i haven't seen this one yet. i can't tell if its old or new. sorry if its a repost

http://www.break.com/index/failed_missle_launch.html

[zulu261]

Wuhh, good thing that these things have a minimum security distance to fly before the warhead arms.

[Hydro]

Thank the good Lord this isn't the damn Eryx video again.


That's an expensive balls up. I hope they kept the receipt from Raytheon.

[PaulClift]

Is the Eryx one with the Candians?

[Hydro]

Yes. Don't post it, else I'll come and blow up your house.

[PaulClift]

I take it that its been reposted once or twice then? :D

[artinist]

just to clarify. THIS IS NOT THE FRENCH/CANADIAN video that we have all seen posted 10000000000000 times

[Groove]

Haha, no bashing replies from our friends from the US of A ? :)

[Herrmannek]

Haha, no bashing replies from our friends from the US of A ? :)
it still went 20 times further than the french thing :)

[inarguable]

Nice video (well, kinda scary actually, but you get the point).

Any idea what went wrong? A fin deployment failure? It almost looked like the missile was wanting to climb for a top-attack mode strike and then something let go in a bad way.

[xEDGEx]

Wow that sucks.

Nice vid.

[mas-36]

Haha, no bashing replies from our friends from the US of A ? :)

No, because the thread would get locked, but it would be fair though.

[Sabre]

it still went 20 times further than the french thing :)

Aye, just far enough for it to arm! :lol:

[Hypno85]

Saw this couple of months ago.

[Kilkenny]

Does the Javelin have a launch and flight motor? if so looks like the flight motor never kicked in.

[Kilkenny]

I think it's safe to say that the ERYX's sucks. With a Max. effective range of 600m who whould go up against a MBT at that range with it. Only thing I could see is in an Urban environment. Still the Bofors NLAW is better situated in this situation, Flat out the ERYX's blows.

[Kilkenny]

(http://www.mocovideo.ip/movie_detail.php?KEY=W-MXql7bYkc)

[SAS73]

I never seen this video, very dangerous situation. what made that heppened?

[artinist]

i would say one of the fins must have stayed at an angle

[Groove]

I think it's safe to say that the ERYX's sucks. With a Max. effective range of 600m who whould go up against a MBT at that range with it. Only thing I could see is in an Urban environment. Still the Bofors NLAW is better situated in this situation, Flat out the ERYX's blows.

Hey i will give you just one hint:

Try to shoot a Javelin from inside a building, and AFTERWARDS an Eryx. Wait, i think you would be dead. So first shoot the ERYX and then the Javelin ;).

Eryx is top in urban areas. And the Javelin dont have a starter motor afaik.

[Hydro]

Eryx is top in urban areas. And the Javelin dont have a starter motor afaik.



Wrong I'm afraid. Javelin has a soft launch capability.

[Groove]

Thx for the info.

[Brute]

Looks like its rocket motor fizzled out.

[roland]

Wrong I'm afraid. Javelin has a soft launch capability.

I'm suprised the Javelin is soft launch and I'm suprised I didn't knew it. Good job.
Anyway the Eryx entered service in 1994 and is afaik the first soft launch AT missile.
Can't understand how the Javelin can be soft launch without thrust vectoring though.

[Brute]

I'm suprised the Javelin is soft launch and I'm suprised I didn't knew it. Good job.
Anyway the Eryx entered service in 1994 and is afaik the first soft launch AT missile.
Can't understand how the Javelin can be soft launch without thrust vectoring though.

First give your definition of 'soft launch'. For me it's when the main motor ignites after clearing the tube and under that definition, RPGs and MANPADs are all 'soft launch'. AFAIK none of them have thrust vectoring.

[roland]

First give your definition of 'soft launch'.

being able to fire it from inside building.
That requires first ejection at low speed then lighten the main engine at safe distance.
Since at low speed the aerodynamic parts of the missile are unoperant, I though it required thrust vectoring like the Eryx (witch have 3 little engines on the side to sustain it the time it reach its speed)
But probably soft launch missiles aren't all soft the same and the Javelin, if fireable from inside building, requires more room behind than the Eryx. Just a supposition, I don't know in fact.

[Kilkenny]

Would that be similar to a TOW missile where a launch motor kicks it out to a certain distance than a flight motor burns for a short period of time to guide the missile in?

[the_recruit]

just to clarify. THIS IS NOT THE FRENCH/CANADIAN video that we have all seen posted 10000000000000 times


funny, I havent seen that video. lol

[Robbee]

It could be an old video.

"The reliability of another weapons system, the Javelin Missile, also was greatly aided by Director of Operational Test and Evaluation intervention. DOT&E insisted that the system undergo additional operational testing prior to a full-rate production decision in 1997 because over 50 design changes had been made to the system since initial operational test and evaluation in 1993. This subsequent operational testing ultimately led to a missile assembly design change that eliminated missile launch failure problems that had occurred when tested under realistic combat conditions testing."

From http://www.pogo.org/p/defense/do-020701-bmd.html

[Ratamacue]

Hey i will give you just one hint:

Try to shoot a Javelin from inside a building, and AFTERWARDS an Eryx. Wait, i think you would be dead. So first shoot the ERYX and then the Javelin ;).

Eryx is top in urban areas. And the Javelin dont have a starter motor afaik.You know, it helps to be educated on a topic before shooting your mouth off.

[CanAT]

being able to fire it from inside building.
That requires first ejection at low speed then lighten the main engine at safe distance.
Since at low speed the aerodynamic parts of the missile are unoperant, I though it required thrust vectoring like the Eryx (witch have 3 little engines on the side to sustain it the time it reach its speed)
But probably soft launch missiles aren't all soft the same and the Javelin, if fireable from inside building, requires more room behind than the Eryx. Just a supposition, I don't know in fact.

Eryx does not have three little engines on the side. It has a launch motor on the rear of the missile and a main motor that is stituated in the centre of the missile with the venturi (2 of them) in the centre of the misssile. Thrust vector control has abosolutely no effect on the flight of Eryx until the main motor fires.
Javelin does have thrust vector control, and aerodynamic controls. See here http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/antiarmor/Javelin.html
A missile does not have to be ejected very far to allow the main or flight motor to ignite, around five metres is good enough. So you do not need TVC to do this, a small fast burning motor that will kick out the missile is all you need.

[Martel]

I think it's safe to say that the ERYX's sucks. With a Max. effective range of 600m who whould go up against a MBT at that range with it.
I think it's safe to say that your comment sucks.
Eryx is for use on close area, like in urban combat.
For longer distance there is the Milan (2000m+ et 3000m soon in the ER version).

[roland]

Eryx does not have three little engines on the side. It has a launch motor on the rear of the missile and a main motor that is stituated in the centre of the missile with the venturi (2 of them) in the centre of the misssile. Thrust vector control has abosolutely no effect on the flight of Eryx until the main motor fires.
Javelin does have thrust vector control, and aerodynamic controls. See here http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/antiarmor/Javelin.html
A missile does not have to be ejected very far to allow the main or flight motor to ignite, around five metres is good enough. So you do not need TVC to do this, a small fast burning motor that will kick out the missile is all you need.

you're correct. Well I didn't know how to say ventury that's why I said little engine, but they depend on the main engine of course. And there is two of them like you said, NOT 3, thank you to correct me.
Now those ventury do help control of the missile at low speed.
Also thank you for the link about the Javelin and other informations.