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Firetxmi
03-25-2007, 02:51 PM
Gay man’s death may change hate laws
72-year-old's death a symbol in the federal, state campaign to protect gays
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:32 p.m. ET March 22, 2007

DETROIT - Andrew Anthos had many passions in life, including old movies, legendary Hollywood screen sirens and a 20-year campaign to illuminate the state Capitol dome in red, white and blue one night a year. While he never hid that he was gay, he was no gay rights activist.

But after dying of injuries suffered last month in what witnesses portrayed as a gay-bashing, the 72-year-old Anthos has become a powerful symbol in a campaign to amend federal and state hate-crime laws to protect gays.

“The whole point is making sure that people have equal rights in the legal system, people aren’t picked on or threatened just because they look or act differently,” said state Sen. Hansen Clarke, who plans to introduce legislation to amend Michigan’s Ethnic Intimidation Act.

According to police and family members, the Detroit man was riding a city bus home from the library on Feb. 13, singing along quietly to Spanish music on his headphones. A young man asked him if he was gay and called him a “faggot.” Anthos ignored him.

The man followed Anthos off the bus, confronting him again. Anthos told the man he was gay as he helped a wheelchair-bound friend who was stuck in a snowbank, witnesses said. The man struck Anthos in the back of the head with a pipe, stood over him as he lay on the ground and ran off after Anthos’ friend yelled for him to stop.

Anthos fell into a coma on Feb. 21 and died two days later.

'Strictly a hate crime'
Police have no suspect but released a composite sketch of the attacker. The department is investigating whether it was a hate crime.

“He wasn’t robbed. Nothing was touched,” said Anthos’ cousin Athena Fedenis. “It was strictly a hate crime.”

Fedenis, 45, said Anthos told her what happened from the hospital and she took notes because she “wasn’t going to let this get thrown underneath the rug and let it be forgotten about.”

Anthos touched the lives of many people. He struck up an improbable friendship with Ava Gardner in the late 1960s after going to a New York hotel where he learned she was staying, his cousin says. His campaign to light the state Capitol dome in honor of police officers, veterans and others put him in contact with countless lawmakers, reporters and others in Lansing.

Fedenis said Anthos asked her before he died to promise that she would work to realize his goal of lighting the Capitol dome. She established a nonprofit foundation called Andrew’s Light to take contributions. Money that doesn’t go to the effort will be donated to the Triangle Foundation, a gay rights advocacy group.

The federal and state legislative efforts have been around for at least a decade and picked up some support after the fatal beating of gay Wyoming college student Matthew Shepard in 1998. Now, advocates hope, Anthos’ death adds some urgency.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., introduced legislation in the House this week, and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., cited Anthos on the Senate floor earlier this month when he said he would soon help reintroduce a bill that would expand the definition of hate crimes to include gays and allow the federal government to help local law enforcement investigate hate crimes.

Anthos went from job to job when he was younger but apparently was not working at the time of his death. He was on state disability; Fedenis said he was diagnosed as mentally ill in the 1950s.

A drifter
He often traveled, scrubbing the stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and laying flowers at Marilyn Monroe’s crypt. When he met Gardner, he gave the actress pictures he had collected from magazines and later was invited to her home, his family says. She later wrote a letter supporting his dome-lighting crusade.

Julie Cook, who befriended Anthos in the late 1980s and remained close to him, said he put up with apathy and outright hostility in his dome campaign.

“He would stand on corners and people would throw things at him,” Cook said. “It didn’t matter. He would research the busiest corner to stand on where he could be seen the most.”

While Anthos aggressively sought support for the idea, he wanted to be in the background, not in the limelight, Fedenis said.

“He wanted all the attention to be strictly on the dome for the veterans, the doctors, the police officers, the firefighters, the less fortunate,” she said.

Link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17745016/

bryanleu2002
03-25-2007, 06:57 PM
I am not going to comment on this thread, NOW!... However as soon as the prosecuter decides to file charges of a hate crime on this case http://www.komotv.com/news/6677087.html

Which should be tommorow I will be Loud about what really happened, atleast what i heard thru a small grapevine and personal experience.

2MCDC

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EVERETT - Everett Police are investigating a possible hate crime after three teens allegedly beat a hair stylist with a baseball bat.

On Tuesday, the teens walked into Antonio Melani Salon in downtown and asked for an appointment.

As Clay Hernandez told them he was waiting for his next client, a 17-year-old allegedly pulled out a baseball bat our from under his coat.

"They hit me in the head with it," said Clay, "you're kind of stunned at first and you don't how to react."

Bleeding and disoriented, Clay scrambled out of the way before the next swing and escaped through a side door.

"It was definitely premeditated," he said.

Clay now wears a hat to hide dozens of stitches and staples from one side of his head to other.

"This is not a random incident," said Sgt. Robert Goetz of the Everett Police department, "We have reason to believe the 17 year old knew this individual through another source."

Police caught the teens a few blocks away. Turns out one of them is the son of another stylist who worked in the salon. The teen reportedly told police he "didn't like gays."

"I realize it does happen," said Clay of hate crimes, "But I always thought it would happen to someone else, or somewhere else."

Two of the teens were arrested on suspicion of assault. Snohomish County Juvenile Prosecutors will decide if they have enough evidence to also charge the teens with a hate crime.

But amazingly Clay says he's not angry at the boys.

"We've all made mistakes. I just hope they get the education they need," he said, "It's the only thing that's going to save them."

justagoodolboy
03-25-2007, 08:23 PM
Beating an old man with a lead pipe. It makes me sick to the stomach. Gay or not, he has done nothing to harm anyone. I'd like to find these guys and give them a piece of my mind, and when I say mind I mean give them a piece of my fists in their mouths.

California Joe
03-25-2007, 08:33 PM
I think for the most part "hate crimes" are bullsh*t semantics. I don't give a rats ass why this asshole hit an old man with a pipe. Fact is, his motivations and latent desires or deep seated hatreds don't matter to me. He hit an old man in the head with a pipe and intended to kill him. That is at least murder 2. Maybe he can explain his motivations to the guys in prison while they assrape him.

justagoodolboy
03-25-2007, 08:34 PM
I think for the most part "hate crimes" are bullsh*t semantics. I don't give a rats ass why this asshole hit an old man with a pipe. Fact is, his motivations and latent desires or deep seated hatreds don't matter to me. He hit an old man in the head with a pipe and intended to kill him. That is at least murder 2. Maybe he can explain his motivations to the guys in prison while they assrape him.

Oh sweet Irony.

Nano
03-25-2007, 08:41 PM
Oh sweet Irony.
I'm probably reading too much in between the lines, but it almost seems like you're into the assraping business. You should have said "Oh the Irony" I think it should be taking into a man-law discussion about making comments that can be taken as being about one's affection for a man's ass or delight of such an act. What do you think California Joe?Man Law?

Hollis
03-25-2007, 09:21 PM
I think for the most part "hate crimes" are bullsh*t semantics. I don't give a rats ass why this asshole hit an old man with a pipe. Fact is, his motivations and latent desires or deep seated hatreds don't matter to me. He hit an old man in the head with a pipe and intended to kill him. That is at least murder 2. Maybe he can explain his motivations to the guys in prison while they assrape him.


We can only hope he gets it, in the end.......:hug:

Cell mates forever.

Happy
03-25-2007, 11:13 PM
I have never understood why this is more of a crime then someone murdering me, or someone not gay. Murder is wrong, and I would suspect almost all of them have some sort of hate involved. if it's first degree murder, than it's first degree murder, who cares what the politics of it is? if it turns out to be just plain non-hate crime murder, does it really make it better?

Hollis
03-25-2007, 11:19 PM
I have never understood why this is more of a crime then someone murdering me, or someone not gay. Murder is wrong, and I would suspect almost all of them have some sort of hate involved. if it's first degree murder, than it's first degree murder, who cares what the politics of it is? if it turns out to be just plain non-hate crime murder, does it really make it better?


I agree murder is murder, BUT, in law, there is degrees and degrees of punishment. For the victim and the family is the same. (in a simple way of putting it)

justagoodolboy
03-25-2007, 11:24 PM
I'm probably reading too much in between the lines, but it almost seems like you're into the assraping business. You should have said "Oh the Irony" I think it should be taking into a man-law discussion about making comments that can be taken as being about one's affection for a man's ass or delight of such an act. What do you think California Joe?Man Law?

That was an inadequate anaylsis of my manliness, and an inappropriate use of man law, which automatically calls into account your manliness and your fondness for assraping.

Durandal
03-26-2007, 08:31 AM
I think for the most part "hate crimes" are bullsh*t semantics. I don't give a rats ass why this asshole hit an old man with a pipe. Fact is, his motivations and latent desires or deep seated hatreds don't matter to me. He hit an old man in the head with a pipe and intended to kill him. That is at least murder 2. Maybe he can explain his motivations to the guys in prison while they assrape him.

I agree completely, but then we also live in a society where few murders are executed or even get life in prison.

You kill someone and with the overcrowding and the there is a chance of you getting 15 to 25 and then out on good behavior.

These laws were made so they did not get an early parole.

The hate crime laws are more of a product of an over all broken justice system than any need to punish someone MORE. A murder is a murder, whether the person murdered was black man or the husband of the woman the murderer coveted. They are both equally as dead.

Klatuu
03-26-2007, 07:53 PM
"Hate crime" is the criminalization of thoughts and feelings.

Start with things everyone agrees are unpalatable, then the envelope gets pushed until.....

There's no conspiracy, if anything it's an "anti-conspiracy", where events take on a mind of their own, with every little self interest group adding its own contribution until all, or at least a goodly chunk of, human thoughts and emotions carry a legal penalty.

There are already too many people in the world that can't tell an emotion from a fact , I don't trust the legal system to figure out what is what on that score.

Only our actions are completely subject to our will, and only they should be the basis of legality.

1st degree murder, which is intentional, pre-mediated (with "malice aforethought), is hatred for another individual, and whatever socio/economic/racial/whatever group he or she belongs to is immaterial. Whether we fire up Old Sparky or toss them down the deepest hole we have, the maximum penalty allowable by law is what should apply.

loganinkosovo
03-26-2007, 08:22 PM
Wait a minute....a person of color did the attack..... and if you ask Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakahn or John Conyers they will tell you that a person of color can't be Prejudiced......... and hence can't commit a "Hate Crime"!

All the minority leaders say that only a "White Person" can commit a hate crime!

So it's just a plain murder......and he should be hung as such.

Durandal
03-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakahn or John Conyers...

Every single one of these men is both a bigot and a misogynist to boot...

But I get your point and agree completely.

Funny how some of the black Civil Rights leaders do a 180 when it comes to same *** ***.

WKD
03-26-2007, 09:33 PM
Who ****ing care why they murdered him? Why should it make any difference to a murder charge if he was gay or not?

This bull**** pisses me off.


I agree completely, but then we also live in a society where few murders are executed or even get life in prison.

You kill someone and with the overcrowding and the there is a chance of you getting 15 to 25 and then out on good behavior.

These laws were made so they did not get an early parole.

The hate crime laws are more of a product of an over all broken justice system than any need to punish someone MORE. A murder is a murder, whether the person murdered was black man or the husband of the woman the murderer coveted. They are both equally as dead.

Nice post.