Self defense Question...

[HELEX]

I was thinking about doing more Sport(not only soccer) and less posting( :lol: ). There are many courses for self defense techniques at the University here and I first wanted to do Krav Maga, but its not available.
What in your opinion is the most usefull and effective if you perhaps really need it one day and not only doing it for competition?

Available are:

Karate(Different Styles)
Taekwondo
Aikido
Judo
Jiu-Jitsu
Ju-jutsu Do
Jeet Kune Do
Chinese Boxing
Wing Tsun
Escrima

Feel free to express your opinion.

[Haiw]

Most usefull = firearm training.

[HELEX]

I'm no really bad shooter, I own some Guns for Hunting. But carrying one concealed or open around in Public is not legal here. Even it would be legal to carry, there are Places where they are prohibited anyway.

So nothing about Knives, Tasers, Mace/Pepperspray.....

[Herrmannek]

I'm no really bad shooter, I own some Guns for Hunting. But carrying one concealed or open around in Public is not legal here. Even it would be legal to carry, there are Places where they are prohibited anyway.

So nothing about Knives, Tasers, Mace/Pepperspray.....

What about lots of rings and golden chains :)

[Haiw]

I know it's illegal in Germany, I was just joking. BTW when you put some home-made pepperspray/teargas in a 'camouflaged' can it should be possible to keep it around. :)

[HELEX]

I have some glass teargas ampoules from the seventies, impossible to detect. But im talking about totally unarmed selfdefense.

[Maine Finn]

I'm no really bad shooter, I own some Guns for Hunting. But carrying one concealed or open around in Public is not legal here. Even it would be legal to carry, there are Places where they are prohibited anyway.

So nothing about Knives, Tasers, Mace/Pepperspray.....

Where do you live? It's legal to carry a concealed firearm in the States if you have a permit for it. The same goes for knives, although I'm not sure what the specifics would be for the length of the blade and so on. I carry a pocketknife or a leatherman-style tool with me everywhere. When I'm out for a run, I carry my River Shorty.

As for unarmed self-defence, I can't advise you. I don't have any training in it except for what I've learnt through experience. If I had to, I can put somebody on the ground and make sure they stay there, but I'm not "trained" in any one sort of self-defence art.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I would go for Judo or Ju-Jitsu as I had a bit of a run in with a bloke that did both and he tossed me about like a ragdoll I was hurting for days afterwards. :lol:

[HELEX]

I'm no really bad shooter, I own some Guns for Hunting. But carrying one concealed or open around in Public is not legal here. Even it would be legal to carry, there are Places where they are prohibited anyway.

So nothing about Knives, Tasers, Mace/Pepperspray.....

What about lots of rings and golden chains :)

Im not that type of guy who wears such Things.... :lol:

[NcDeuce]

I was thinking about doing more Sport(not only soccer) and less posting( :lol: ). There are many courses for self defense techniques at the University here and I first wanted to do Krav Maga, but its not available.
What in your opinion is the most usefull and effective if you perhaps really need it one day and not only doing it for competition?

Available are:

Karate(Different Styles)
Taekwondo
Aikido
Judo
Jiu-Jitsu
Ju-jutsu Do
Jeet Kune Do
Chinese Boxing
Wing Tsun
Escrima

Feel free to express your opinion.

Stick to dodgeball and badminton. rofl

[Haiw]

I would go for Judo or Ju-Jitsu as I had a bit of a run in with a bloke that did both and he tossed me about like a ragdoll I was hurting for days afterwards. :lol:
Believe me, I've done Judo for several years, and unless you're stronger, heavier and bigger than your opponent it's pretty useless against someone that isn't using Judo as well.

[n_shanygin]

Krav Maga ;)

[HELEX]

I'm no really bad shooter, I own some Guns for Hunting. But carrying one concealed or open around in Public is not legal here. Even it would be legal to carry, there are Places where they are prohibited anyway.

So nothing about Knives, Tasers, Mace/Pepperspray.....

Where do you live? It's legal to carry a concealed firearm in the States if you have a permit for it. The same goes for knives, although I'm not sure what the specifics would be for the length of the blade and so on. I carry a pocketknife or a leatherman-style tool with me everywhere. When I'm out for a run, I carry my River Shorty.

As for unarmed self-defence, I can't advise you. I don't have any training in it except for what I've learnt through experience. If I had to, I can put somebody on the ground and make sure they stay there, but I'm not "trained" in any one sort of self-defence art.

Well, I live in Germany. Im allowed to buy Handguns or Long guns, but the use/carry is only allowed at the Range, in your Hunting district or in defending yourself against Intruders at Home.
The weapons are at my fathers house in a safe and not where I live.

So this is unarmed only thread.

[Jack Mehoff]

Throwing knives and nunchuck. I think I'll stick with knives.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2241/nun.jpg

[Herrmannek]

Try this its simmiliar/or even based on crav maga. Maybe someone teaches this in Germany
http://www.combat56.pl/

[HELEX]

Throwing knives and nunchuck. I think I'll stick with knives.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2241/nun.jpg

You are a true friend Jack, this is not exactely what I understand of unarmed self defense. :D

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Throwing knives and nunchuck. I think I'll stick with knives.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2241/nun.jpg
Have you cracked it yet Jack? They look a bit on the light side or is that just my perception.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

HELEX, I'm appalled that you would pursue such training in order to afford yourself a superior position over your neighbors. This is typical of the pattern of Western aggression used to oppress the weak. And yet you will doubtless claim that this superior power of yours would only be used in self defense?

We can hardly trust you with this kind of authority. If you wish to gain these new powers, the only acceptable course for you to take is to also provide for similar training for your enemies, so that they may be on equal footing with you. We will also need for you to coordinate all training with some kind of watchdog agency who will direct your activities since you cannot be trusted to act alone. If you follow through with this, without consulting others, you will gain an unacceptable advantage & be a threat to stability in your region.

[Uncle Sam]

HELEX, I'm appalled that you would pursue such training in order to afford yourself a superior position over your neighbors. This is typical of the pattern of Western aggression used to oppress the weak. And yet you will doubtless claim that this superior power of yours would only be used in self defense?

We can hardly trust you with this kind of authority. If you wish to gain these new powers, the only acceptable course for you to take is to also provide for similar training for your enemies, so that they may be on equal footing with you. We will also need for you to coordinate all training with some kind of watchdog agency who will direct your activities since you cannot be trusted to act alone. If you follow through with this, without consulting others, you will gain an unacceptable advantage & be a threat to stability in your region.

Yeah HELEX...Peace

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[HELEX]

Ok, that one was good...

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[California Joe]

I could carry a concealed weapon where I live and soon I'll probably be moving where I could carry any damned thing I want without a problem, but it's not necessary as I don't live in an area that has any muggings. I live in the boonies. I have never been accosted by the local soccer moms on my morning runs... Bow chica bow bow... no matter how hard I try to impersonate stoli.

[Jack Mehoff]

Throwing knives and nunchuck. I think I'll stick with knives.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2241/nun.jpg
Have you cracked it yet Jack? They look a bit on the light side or is that just my perception.

They are tiny, small enough for concealment.

[memphiz]

Throwing knives and nunchuck. I think I'll stick with knives.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2241/nun.jpg

You are a true friend Jack, this is not exactely what I understand of unarmed self defense. :D
Well throwing knives can be used as unarmed defence, because you throw them, so technically they're not in your hand ;) and you can throw nunchucks to. Throwing stuff is cool :D

[MEGR]

Don't do Tae Kwon Do.. That is probably the most crappiest martial arts you can take in terms of self defense.

[Jack Mehoff]

Don't do Tae Kwon Do.. That is probably the most crappiest martial arts you can take in terms of self defense.

Depends on your instructor, some instructors are more into traditional TKD while some instructors are more into realistic combat TKD.

[flickme]

I would say go for something like kickboxing.

[MEGR]

Martial arts are cool and all, but on the streets, if you are packing heat, that will get you leaps and bounds over doing kicks and such. Guns are more intimidating that doing a roundhouse kick, or a punch.

[Jack Mehoff]

Mui Thai + Brazilian Jujitsu is a great combo. 90% of street fights end up on the ground anyway.

http://www.lamermelculo.com/video.php?id=135

[Jack Mehoff]

Martial arts are cool and all, but on the streets, if you are packing heat, that will get you leaps and bounds over doing kicks and such. Guns are more intimidating that doing a roundhouse kick, or a punch.

This is why you don't pick fights with people on the street of America. The whole point of MA is to control violence, not initiate it. If you want to fight, do that on a ring.

[Abolith]

Mui Thai + Brazilian Jujitsu is a great combo. 90% of street fights end up on the ground anyway.

you could not be more right. I train in BJJ 2-3 times a week and lemme tell you Helex I now own all of my old buddies who used to beat on me for fun. ;)
heck, my sisters BF found out what an Armbar is all about when he got a bit rough with her last weekend.....
:bash:

[memphiz]

Martial arts are cool and all, but on the streets, if you are packing heat, that will get you leaps and bounds over doing kicks and such. Guns are more intimidating that doing a roundhouse kick, or a punch.
Yeah thats true.

like in the Indiana Jones movie were that Arab guy does all those fancy sword moves, then Indy just shoots him.
:D best part of that movie

[chauncy republicans]

A good karate program is probably what you want, Helex. I suggest if you have not had prior hand to hand combat experience to go with karate since it's a good balance balance between "wrestling" and striking. It's not very pretty at all, but will come in handy in almost ANY situation.

When it comes down to it though...the style of combat you study is not nearly as important as the quality of instructor. Make sure you enroll in a "combat" school, here in the states there are a lot of "sport" schools these should be disregarded, due to the fact they have no practical value.
kickboxing, mui tai, sanshou, styles like these are mainly for sport.

Practice, practice, practice...in a real confrontational situation you are not going to be able to "choose"or "think" how you are going to react, so you have to make your training instinct and natural. It's a lot like reprograming your reflexes, dont think just do. Kicking to the head is unrealistic and not very practical, so if your instuctor tells you otherwise I would recommend finding the door. Strech every day! Groin pulls are bitches!

Hope that helps you dude...I've been doing this (martial arts) for a while now, so if you have any questions contact me.

[Catch22]

HELEX - Im into the Krav Maga (IKMF not R. Douieb assoc.) for some time now - I wouldnt try starting with it as a "base system" - even in its "civilian" version it is a combat/selfdefence SYSTEM, not a Martial Art or Sport - it'll prove much more effective and aplicable when you have some 2-3 years experience in some classic MA or fighting sport.

From what I learned about you form your posts I'd recommend boxing or kickboxing as a basic "punching" system (TKD is not always applicable - as Jack mentioned its - you'll need to find a good section) - since you are tall your long arms may give you some advantage in range there. Along with that, practice also some "grappling" system - such as Ju-jitsu or its Brazilian version eventually classical wrestling. First things first - learn how to punch properly, how to act in parter - it takes lots of pain, time and practice. Do sparrings a lot - that's why I recommend boxing first. Devote 2-3 years to practice these - you'll have enough experience and stamina then to go for some more nasty things such as Muay-Thai or any of Combatives. I simply wouldn't recommend them for begginers.

Don't believe any stories and tales p-)

One of our World Champs in boxing said used to say: There are no unbeatable men - there are only those who haven't been hit properly.

@Herrmanek: Combat 56 ISNT related to KM anymore closer than just that these are both Combative Systems.

[USAF G]

My two cents, do the JKD and Escrima. Both can offer really usable skills for defending against armed (knife or stick) and unarmed attackers. Of course it depends on who's teaching you, but I think they are both very accessable to the newbie. And JKD and Escrima blend really well into eachother, just ask Guru Dan Inosanto ;) . My name is USAF G and I endorse this message. G p-)

[Ian H]

Several of my freinds do Aikido, and they all have said they find it very handy for up close combat +self defence, and your size relative to your attacker is unimportant.

Its up to you though, try a few and see which you find yourself best at, then work from there. Hopefully you'll never need it anyway.

[HELEX]

I only have been once in a fist fight, I had a broken Nose and my face was not so good looking. The stupid thing is, the attack came totally without warning and ended in me using the Flashlight I was holding like a Hammer or someting to knock on his Head. That stopped it and he ran away.

That was some years ago, so it has not really much to do with the Decision.

[Stavka]

I would recommend Ninjitsu. Becoming a ninja and wielding true ultimate power is really cool. You get to flip out alot and be totally sweet...


Other than that, Krav Maga is great. Did a stint of that during my army service. Good fun in training, effective IRL. Well, that depends a bit when you think about it.

Really, the martial art you choose is of lesser import. Ive practiced a few and what really matters is if you can adapt what you learn in the dojo/gym/backyard to a RL situation. It all depends on you, not the choice of martial art.

[SwissGrenadier]

Krav Maga
Combat Sambo
Muay Thai
Kyokushinkai Karate
BJJ
Filippino Martial Arts(Kali,Eskrima....)