new italian aircraft carrier Andrea Doria

[irra!]

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria01.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria02.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria03.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/doria01.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA02.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA03.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA04.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA05.JPG
http://www.fincantieri.it/images/fromlwe/num.jpg
http://www.fincantieri.it/images/fromlwe/num2.jpg

[Operation Ivy]

looking good :D how many does Italy have now?

anyone know when the our new AC is coming into service?

[irra!]

looking good :D how many does Italy have now?

anyone know when the our new AC is coming into service?

now we have only one air carrier ( Garibaldi )

[Deed]

looking good :D how many does Italy have now?

anyone know when the our new AC is coming into service?

now we have only one air carrier ( Garibaldi )

Garibaldi...bad and old :|

[Midav]

Pretty cool!

Will it be using the AV-8's as the Garibaldi is using now, or will other aircraft be used?

[Dennis G]

Andrea Doria looking good.


How many Aircraft Carriers are in the US Navy?

[Dennis G]

Andrea Doria


Whats that mean?

[HELEX]

Andrea Doria


Whats that mean?

Thats a Name. ;)

[SeanAshi]

How many Aircraft Carriers are in the US Navy?We got like 15 Carriers! Best ****ing Navy in the world! woot

[Dennis G]

Andrea Doria


Whats that mean?

Thats a Name. ;)



Does it have any significance?

Someone of a royal status?

[He219]

Wasn't there another Andrea Doria, a luxury liner that got rammed by the SS Stockholm and sank off the Eastern United States?

Interesting selection; Just sayin'

:)

[Apogee]

Andrea Doria


Whats that mean?

Thats a Name. ;)



Does it have any significance?

Someone of a royal status?

Thats an unlucky name man

[Dennis G]

How many Aircraft Carriers are in the US Navy?We got like 15 Carriers! Best f*** Navy in the world! woot

Yeah that’s a lot of carriers, most other countries only have a few right? What other counties come close?

[gorg]

When will the new carrier enter service?

[GrantT]

Wasn't there another Andrea Doria, a luxury liner that got rammed by the SS Stockholm and sank off the Eastern United States?

Yeh, I thought it rang a bell.

[SeanAshi]

American carriers, some of these I'm sure are retired
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Enterprise
John F. Kenndy
Nimitz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Carl Vinson
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Georg Washington
John C. Stennis
Harry S. Truman
Ronal Reagan
George H. W. Bush

[SeanAshi]

Russian Carrier, It looks as if it really needs to be put out of its misery
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Russian+Aircraft+carrier/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.tribulation.com/images/kuznetsv.jpg

[Tengu]

no catapult??

[M1A2U2]

I know india has comes in second with most amount of carriers

[USMarine3521]

American carriers, some of these I'm sure are retired
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Enterprise
John F. Kenndy
Nimitz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Carl Vinson
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Georg Washington
John C. Stennis
Harry S. Truman
Ronal Reagan
George H. W. Bush

i believe the kitty hawk was very recently retired and the George W. Bush is still in development.

[scott]

CV-63 Kitty Hawk
CVN-65 Enterprise
CV-67 Kennedy

CVN-68 Nimitz
CVN-69 Eisenhower
CVN-70 Vinson
CVN-71 Roosevelt
CVN-72 Lincoln
CVN-73 Washington
CVN-74 Stennis
CVN-75 Truman
CVN-76 Reagan (All except Nimitz are actually the full names ie Dwight D. Eisenhower)

George HW Bush (CVN-77) is building (keel laid Sept 2003)

Of these I only have the George Washington as being deployed, with the Stennis deploying this May and Kitty Hawk predeployed, can anyone confirm?[/quote]

[Marsuitor]

What's the name of the new class carriers the US is building/thinking of building? Also is there som info on them somewhere?

[scott]

Constellation was stricken this past August
Maybe you mistook it for Kitty Hawk?
Anyhow, US navy, like it or not- the most powerful in the world

[scott]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvx.htm

ive gotta get out more...
there should be a link to the CVN 77 (THE BUSH!!) which is also new and hot

[Mark Sman]

Yea, the ocean liner was the first thing I thought of too. The name of course pre-dates the ships that have carried it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Doria

http://www.evesmag.com/andreadoria4x.jpg
One source says 46 people died in the accident.

[Operation Ivy]

CVN-77 aka George HW Bush, very American looking ;)

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/027701.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/027702.jpg

[FallenAngel]

There are currently 12 active US carriers.

THe nine nimitz carries, Enterprise, John F. Kennedy and Kitty Hawk.

CVN77 George W. Bush is under construction.

CVN-21 (formerly CVNX) is due to begin construction in 2007-ish

[FallenAngel]

Oh, and Andria Doria?

What's next? A British carrier named "Titanic" ?!?

[Dave the Dawg]

By the standards of the Andrea Doria, the US has many more than 12 carriers. The Andrea Doria will displace 26,700 tons and carry 8 Harriers or 12 EH-101s. The Giuseppe Garibaldi displaces 13,850 tons.

Nimitz class carriers, of which we have 9 with one under construction, displace 97,000 tons and carry up to 85 aircraft. The John F. Kennedy class, of which 1 is in service, displaces 83,000 tons. The Enterprise class (also 1 in service) displaces 93,300 tons. With the decommissioning last year of the Constellation, the USS Kitty Hawk is the only one left of its class. It displaces 82,000 tons. Like the Nimitz class, each of these also carry around 80 aircraft.

That is 12 large carriers in service and 1 under construction.

However, add to that 7 Wasp class amphibious assault ships. These displace 40,530 tons and carry up to 2,000 Marines and a mix of 35-40 SH-60B helicopters and AV-8B Harriers.

Add also 5 Tarawa class amphibuous assault ships: 40,000 tons, 1,900 Marines, up to 35 helicopters and Harriers.

That is 12(+1) true aircraft carriers and 12 ships that are effectively aircraft carriers. All 25 of these are larger than any other aircraft carrier in the world except the Kuznetsov (67,000 tons) and the Charles de Gaulle (41,000 tons).

[foxtrot023]

American carriers, some of these I'm sure are retired
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Enterprise
John F. Kenndy
Nimitz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Carl Vinson
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Georg Washington
John C. Stennis
Harry S. Truman
Ronal Reagan
George H. W. Bush
I think the first two are retired. The US only has nuclear powered CVs now.

[He219]

I don't think this thread was intended as a ***** comparison contest. ;)

Go get some Italy! Right on.
:D

Also, the USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) Strike Group departed the port of Fremantle, Australia, on April 27 after participating in Australia's annual ANZAC Day.

The Kitty Hawk Strike Group, commanded by Rear Adm. James Kelly, is comprised of the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, CVW-5, Destroyer Squadron 15 and other embarked units.

Kitty Hawk, which operates out of Yokosuka, Japan, is America's oldest active warship, and the world's only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier. She is powered by Eight boilers; four geared steam turbines; four shafts; 280,000 shaft horsepower.

For more information on USS Kitty Hawk and Carrier Air Wing 5, visit their Navy NewsStand page at www.news.navy.mil/local/cv63.

[Dave the Dawg]

Not a ***** size contest, just noting the not-well-known but fun fact that if the US Navy were to mothball every true aircraft carrier in the fleet, it would still have the largest carrier fleet in the world.

BTW, most of the world's aircraft carriers are around 20,000 tons or smaller. The only other carriers in the world remotely close to the Charles de Gaulle and the Wasp and Tarawa class amphibious assault ships are Brazil's Sao Paulo, at 32,780 tons (formerly the French Clemenceau), and India's Viraat, at 28,706 tons (formerly the HMS Hermes)

Not an aircraft carrier, just a little old amphibious assault ship:

USS Wasp:
http://www.wasp.navy.mil/gallerynew/ships/images/lhd1%20uss%20wasp205.jpg
http://www.wasp.navy.mil/gallerynew/ships/images/lhd1%20uss%20wasp206.jpg
http://www.wasp.navy.mil/gallerynew/aircraft/images/av8b-013.jpg

USS Bataan, Wasp class :
http://www.bataan.navy.mil/Images/BATAAN%20With%20Harrier%20landing%20homepage.jpg

Also not an aircraft carrier:

USS Saipan, Tarawa class:
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040405-N-8606T-008.jpg

INS Viraat:
http://indiannavy.nic.in/picture_gallery/viraat_lengthy.jpg

A-12 Sao Paulo:
http://www.saorbats.com.ar/GaleriaSaorbats/MBSantos/images/A-12%20.jpg

[scott]

too right he219
ive always been curious though about whether or not countries like italy, spain and hell in some cases even france need carriers.
the traditional aircraft carrier (say the nimitz) is a flagship, and the ultimate symbol of maritime power projection.
american carriers give the US navy a global reach with air to air and air to ground capability.

why invest in fixed wing capabilities? when for the purpose of peacekeeping and humanitarian missions a country could invest in a helicopter carrying HMS Ocean or Jeanne D'Arc type.

am i missing something (rhetorical question) or is the systems capabilities of these countries not jiving with their foreign policy objectives...

just my thoughts (btw the andrea doria looks fantastic and im by no means attacking the italian or any other navy)

[Operation Ivy]

I don't think this thread was intended as a ***** comparison contest

well we all know He219 is the biggest

What?

[foxtrot023]

too right he219
ive always been curious though about whether or not countries like italy, spain and hell in some cases even france need carriers.
the traditional aircraft carrier (say the nimitz) is a flagship, and the ultimate symbol of maritime power projection.
american carriers give the US navy a global reach with air to air and air to ground capability.

why invest in fixed wing capabilities? when for the purpose of peacekeeping and humanitarian missions a country could invest in a helicopter carrying HMS Ocean or Jeanne D'Arc type.

am i missing something (rhetorical question) or is the systems capabilities of these countries not jiving with their foreign policy objectives...

just my thoughts (btw the andrea doria looks fantastic and im by no means attacking the italian or any other navy)

It is an understandable question, but the reason these countries want carriers is the same the US wants them, namely:

1. a flagship
2. the ultimate symbol of maritime power projection
3. global reach with air to air and air to ground capability

Sure, most of the foreign policies of the 3 are not in line with power proyection, but if the economics are there why not? A carrier gives ANY fleet a quantum leap in term of capabilities and power proyection, even with VSTOL carriers, and you never know when you are going to need a CV.

Right now the tendency in Europe is towards bigger carriers, as the UK proyect (weighting some 50,000 Tn), the Italian AD mentioned above, and the spanish new LHD (27,000 Tn) and a proyected new carrier (30,000 to 35,000 Tn).

These reflect new policies and threats.

Regards

[cut]

The two UK and one French aircraft carriers on order will displace about 60,000 tons. and carry about 60 aircraft.

If the Indian navy are the next biggest in terms of aircraft carriers they have 3 old british ones and one old Kiev class russian one.

ATM we brits have 3 invincible class carriers and one amphibious carrier (HMS Ocean) which is bigger then the current carriers, so if India does have the next biggest carrier fleet then the British one is definately the 2nd best after the US.


This new italian aircraft carrier not set to enter service before 2007 is going to be the replacment for the Garibaldi


listen (http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Sounds/yowz.wav) <=americans :roll: p-)

[usa320]

Yeah, we have way more than 12 carriers, because we have about a dozen Amphibeous assault ships that are capable of carrying Harriers and helicopters.

[J-10]

The new italian aircraft carrier Andrea Doria will use JSF, cool!

[Romulus]

USS Kitty Hawk <------ Best damn carrier in the fleet.


Italy your carrier is coming along nicely! woot [/quote]

[Ian H]

Just a correction: The Brazilian Sao Paulo used to be the FNS Foch, not the Clemenceau as stated earlier.

[sethen]

The andrea doria looks like a copy of the British carriers I have seen.

[scott]

i could see the similarities (ski ramp, long island)
but say its a copy of the invincible class (this is what youre referring to right?) could be abit of a stretch
lets just say the basic shape of this type of aircraft carrier (conventional power vstol/helicopter) well generally be the same and this one represents a far more advanced ship than invincible and truly is soemthing for italy to be proud of

[sethen]

i could see the similarities (ski ramp, long island)
but say its a copy of the invincible class (this is what youre referring to right?) could be abit of a stretch
lets just say the basic shape of this type of aircraft carrier (conventional power vstol/helicopter) well generally be the same and this one represents a far more advanced ship than invincible and truly is soemthing for italy to be proud of

Are the Italians going to replace the harriers with the new Joint strike fighter VTOL?

[navylt]

American carriers, some of these I'm sure are retired
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Enterprise
John F. Kenndy
Nimitz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Carl Vinson
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Georg Washington
John C. Stennis
Harry S. Truman
Ronal Reagan
George H. W. Bush
I think the first two are retired. The US only has nuclear powered CVs now.

The Kitty Hawk, Constellation and JFK are all conventionally powered ships. I served on the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) from 97-99.

[Mark Sman]

What is the smallest population country in the world with an aircraft carrier?

[cold0]

Andrea Doria


Whats that mean?

Thats a Name. ;)



Does it have any significance?

Someone of a royal status?

The Doria is a noble house from Genova; Andrea Doria was a very capable admiral of the 16th century. It's like to call a carrier Nelson for the English I think.

[Deed]

i could see the similarities (ski ramp, long island)
but say its a copy of the invincible class (this is what youre referring to right?) could be abit of a stretch
lets just say the basic shape of this type of aircraft carrier (conventional power vstol/helicopter) well generally be the same and this one represents a far more advanced ship than invincible and truly is soemthing for italy to be proud of

Are the Italians going to replace the harriers with the new Joint strike fighter VTOL?

Yes. :roll:

[foxtrot023]

What is the smallest population country in the world with an aircraft carrier?

Spain- 40 Mil. pop.

[foxtrot023]

American carriers, some of these I'm sure are retired
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Enterprise
John F. Kenndy
Nimitz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Carl Vinson
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Georg Washington
John C. Stennis
Harry S. Truman
Ronal Reagan
George H. W. Bush
I think the first two are retired. The US only has nuclear powered CVs now.

The Kitty Hawk, Constellation and JFK are all conventionally powered ships. I served on the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) from 97-99.

Thanks. I`ve read that they retired all conventional CVs, and only left the CVNs, but thanks for the clarification.

Regards

[fdt]

What is the smallest population country in the world with an aircraft carrier?

Spain- 40 Mil. pop.That's quite a new "status". Argentina had also a carrier but they scrapped it not so long ago...

BTW why someone wonders what need carriers for such countries like France or Spain??? As they have their territories overseas they simply need them to defend those! Canary isl. (S), Guyana (F) etc... Remember falklands? How would Brits regain them without carriers?

[irra!]

looking good :D how many does Italy have now?

anyone know when the our new AC is coming into service?

now we have only one air carrier ( Garibaldi )

Garibaldi...bad and old :|

better than one kick in the ass ;)

[irra!]

good news and pics :

the name is not Andrea Doria but Cavour (the name of first italian premier in 1860)

next tuesday it's going to be launching

pics:
http://www.panorama.it/media/020001024002.jpg
http://www.panorama.it/media/020001024001.jpg
http://www.panorama.it/media/020001024003.jpg
http://www.panorama.it/media/020001024004.jpg
http://www.panorama.it/media/020001024005.jpg
http://www.panorama.it/panorama/statici/homegenerale/img/cavourstat.jpg


Rivoluzione nel mare d'Italia. Arriva la Cavour


di Stefano Vespa
14/7/2004





La portaerei Cavour. Il nome Cavour è una decisione del presidente Ciampi quale omaggio a uno dei padri della patria, lo statista piemontese che all'indomani dell'unità d'Italia si rese conto dell'urgenza di dare alla nazione una Marina davvero funzionale.
Tecnologie ultrasofisticate a bordo, autonomia di 7 mila miglia, alloggi degni di un transatlantico. Costo: 900 milioni di euro. Tutti i segreti della prima portaerei della Marina. Che ora, con questo varo eccellente, può finalmente puntare a missioni internazionali a largo raggio.



Sarà l'ultimo varo con il metodo tradizionale, lo scivolo in acqua. E l'occasione non poteva che essere eccezionale: il battesimo della prima portaerei della storia d'Italia, la Cavour.
Martedì 20 luglio sarà una data importante per la Marina militare e lo dimostrerà la presenza del presidente della Repubblica, Carlo Azeglio Ciampi, alla cerimonia in programma alla Fincantieri di Riva Trigoso, nel Genovese.
Qui stanno ultimando gran parte della nave, circa 180 metri su 242: dopo il varo verrà trasportata a Muggiano, nello Spezzino, dove sarà assemblata la prora e vi saranno montati i sistemi da combattimento.

Panorama ha visitato in anteprima la Cavour, un gigante del mare che alla fine del 2007, data di consegna alla Marina, sarà un gioiello tecnologico grazie a sofisticate apparecchiature elettroniche e di telecomunicazione e al più potente impianto di propulsione non nucleare del mondo, con 88 mila kW generati da quattro turbine.
Disporre di una portaerei fa compiere alla Marina un balzo in avanti: «Sarà possibile guidare gruppi internazionali in operazioni più complesse grazie a un comando di 140 persone» spiega compiaciuto a Panorama il capo di stato maggiore, ammiraglio Sergio Biraghi.
«Una portaerei che ci mette allo stesso livello delle principali nazioni».

L'attuale unità maggiore, come la chiamano i marinai, è l'incrociatore portaeromobili Garibaldi: più corto di una sessantina di metri e con un dislocamento a pieno carico di circa la metà rispetto alle 26.700 tonnellate della Cavour.
«Quando il Garibaldi è in manutenzione» dice Biraghi «l'Italia non può partecipare a determinate operazioni. Con due grandi unità cambierà tutto».

La portaerei è motivo di vanto anche per la Fincantieri, reduce da un 2003 significativo. Spiega l'amministratore delegato, Giuseppe Bono: «La nostra direzione navi militari l'anno scorso ha consegnato quattro unità alla Marina militare e tre pattugliatori alla Guardia costiera.
Stiamo intensificando anche l'attività all'estero, ottenendo tra l'altro una commessa per motore, sistemi ausiliari e impianti della nuova portaerei della marina indiana».

All'inizio degli anni Novanta la parola portaerei sembrava a molti politici quasi una bestemmia, un'esagerazione per l'Italia. Poi il quadro internazionale è cambiato, l'area di intervento per la Marina italiana si andava allargando dal Mediterraneo a tutti i mari del mondo e si corse ai ripari.
La Cavour ha un'autonomia di 7 mila miglia che consente di raggiungere senza scalo il Golfo Persico utilizzando il 50 per cento del combustibile imbarcato.

E l'equipaggio starà comodo: la Fincantieri ha utilizzato l'esperienza delle navi da crociera per allestire alloggi da quattro persone e cabine singole per gli ufficiali superiori. La portaerei può contenere ogni tipo di elicotteri in dotazione alla Marina.
Come aerei, otto Av-8B Harrier II e in futuro il Joint strike fighter.
Il decollo può avvenire verticalmente oppure utilizzando la linea di volo di 186 metri oltre allo «ski-jump», il trampolino di lancio. L'atterraggio è solo verticale. Inoltre possono essere caricati molti mezzi terrestri, da 100 veicoli leggeri a 24 carri armati Ariete da 60 tonnellate.

Il nome Cavour è una decisione del presidente Ciampi quale omaggio a uno dei padri della patria, lo statista piemontese che all'indomani dell'unità d'Italia si rese conto dell'urgenza di dare alla nazione una Marina davvero funzionale.
Alla famiglia Cavour, attraverso i visconti Venosta, è legata la madrina del varo, Augusta Antonella San Martino di San Germano, moglie del presidente della Fondazione Cavour, l'architetto Ippolito Calvi di Bergolo.

La portaerei (che prende il nome della corazzata consegnata alla Marina nel 1915) doveva chiamarsi Andrea Doria, ora invece i nomi dei grandi ammiragli sono destinati alle due fregate della classe Orizzonte.
La Doria, appunto, sarà consegnata dalla Fincantieri nel 2007 e la Duilio l'anno successivo. A fine 2004, invece, è previsto il varo del sommergibile Scirè, gemello del Salvatore Todaro varato in novembre, dotati di tecnologie avanzatissime.

Non basta.

L'equipaggio starà comodo: la Fincantieri ha utilizzato l'esperienza delle navi da crociera per allestire alloggi da quattro persone e cabine singole per gli ufficiali superiori. La portaerei può contenere ogni tipo di elicotteri in dotazione alla Marina.

La Marina ha esigenze operative indifferibili e Biraghi spera di avere il via libera politico entro l'anno per il Fremm (Fregate multimissione), progetto italo-francese di 27 navi di cui dieci italiane da tempo all'attenzione delle autorità dei due paesi. L'ammiraglio non ha dubbi: «Nel 2008 dobbiamo avviare la costruzione: le fregate sono la spina dorsale della Marina e quelle attuali andranno necessariamente sostituite con nuove unità multiruolo».

Ogni fregata costerà 350 milioni di euro, la Cavour vale 900 milioni escludendo i sistemi missilistici ed elettronici.
La portaerei ha sistemi di sicurezza d'avanguardia, può operare in ambiente contaminato da agenti nucleari, batteriologici o chimici e ha un sistema di smagnetizzazione automatizzato che riduce le anomalie magnetiche generate dalla nave stessa riducendo di conseguenza il rischio dovuto alle mine.

Il varo avrà una curiosità in più. Mancando la prora, la Cavour sarà «vestita» con un enorme tricolore di ben 700 metri quadrati con al centro un gigantesco stemma della Marina, opera delle Velerie San Giorgio di Casarza Ligure. Una bandiera da record: il minimo, per una nave così


woot
from www.panorama.it

[easyand]

From 9:30 am you can watch the lauching on RAI1 woot
PS:the article said that this is the first italian carrier but the first italian carrier is Garibaldi! :fork:

[oldsoak]

Looks a lovely boat - Italian warships have always been good to look at.

[perdurabo]

So where i can find list of all cariers from first to last with data and pics?(Landing ships that can serve as cariers like Tarawa too) CV are only ships that i'm intrested :P
not only american but japanese russian etc...

[Luxembourger]

FRance and the UK are soon going to build together an aircraft carrier , the aircraft carrier when assembled will then go to the French navy.

source : I saw that report a month agon on TF1 french television.

[szr]

Congratulations on the new Carrier, Italy! Looking good! woot

[FB]

From 9:30 am you can watch the lauching on RAI1 woot
PS:the article said that this is the first italian carrier but the first italian carrier is Garibaldi! :fork:

yes and no :lol: :

When the Garibaldi was launched it was classified as an Incrociatore Portaeromobili (Cruiser "flying means carrier"). At this time Italian Navy did not (and could not by law) even have fixed wing fighting planes. That's why the Garibaldi was launched with such a strange classification: it was an escamotage to bypass the existing laws, waiting for their modification. It was only after several years from the entrance in service of Garibaldi that the Parliament voted the law that authorized the Navy to form its own Air Force and buy the Harriers. After the Harriers were bought and entered into service the Garibaldi was reclassified in Portaerei-Portaeromobili.

That is the reason why, technically speaking, the Cavour is the first carrier.

Best regards

[Pille1234]

FRance and the UK are soon going to build together an aircraft carrier , the aircraft carrier when assembled will then go to the French navy.

source : I saw that report a month agon on TF1 french television.
Soon? I wish they really would start soon. But this is about much money, influence, pride and politics. No good mixture. Let's wait and see... :(

[DPGLAW]

I would think that naming that Aircraft carrirer after a ship that sank is probably a bad idea. I saw a show about an Italian cruise liner named Andrea Doria that sunk a long time ago....I don't think that I would want to go on this new one, it will proabably sink too...

[J-10]

When the Garibaldi was launched it was classified as an Incrociatore Portaeromobili (Cruiser "flying means carrier"). At this time Italian Navy did not (and could not by law) even have fixed wing fighting planes. That's why the Garibaldi was launched with such a strange classification: it was an escamotage to bypass the existing laws, waiting for their modification. It was only after several years from the entrance in service of Garibaldi that the Parliament voted the law that authorized the Navy to form its own Air Force and buy the Harriers. After the Harriers were bought and entered into service the Garibaldi was reclassified in Portaerei-Portaeromobili.

That is the reason why, technically speaking, the Cavour is the first carrier.

Best regards

I am waiting for the pic of Cavour launching. :D

[Durandal]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/andreadoria.jpg
A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg
A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

[FB]

I would think that naming that Aircraft carrirer after a ship that sank is probably a bad idea. I saw a show about an Italian cruise liner named Andrea Doria that sunk a long time ago....I don't think that I would want to go on this new one, it will proabably sink too...

It is (better: was as the name will be CAVOUR) not named after the civilian liner that sunk off shore of Terranova years ago, but both the civilian liner and the former name of the carrier are from Andrea Doria, of the Doria family, who ruled the city of Genova when this city was one of the most important powers of the Mediterranean and one of the 4 so called Republiche Marinare (marine republics), the Coats of Arms of which you can see on the Italian Navy flag. The other 3 Repubbliche Marinare were Amalfi, Venezia and Pisa.

Best regards

[irra!]

When the Garibaldi was launched it was classified as an Incrociatore Portaeromobili (Cruiser "flying means carrier"). At this time Italian Navy did not (and could not by law) even have fixed wing fighting planes. That's why the Garibaldi was launched with such a strange classification: it was an escamotage to bypass the existing laws, waiting for their modification. It was only after several years from the entrance in service of Garibaldi that the Parliament voted the law that authorized the Navy to form its own Air Force and buy the Harriers. After the Harriers were bought and entered into service the Garibaldi was reclassified in Portaerei-Portaeromobili.

That is the reason why, technically speaking, the Cavour is the first carrier.

Best regards



I am waiting for the pic of Cavour launching. :D

coming soon..... (tomorrow)

[vryhpyammoadded]

Italy's new carrier...sweet!

Argintina's old carrier...sad to see it go. Wasn't it up for sale for 4 million a few months back or was that someone else's carrier? Did the Brits ever buy it back for a museum?

[Deed]

The first photo about Cavour launching :P

http://www.corriere.it/speciali/gallerie/2004/luglio/portaerei/galleria/jpg/image2.jpg

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

^^^
I saw the ceremony at Italian TV.... Quite impressive :)

I don't speak a word in Italian, so could you give me any specs of this ship?

btw. why it was launched without the bow section?

[easyand]

^^^
I saw the ceremony at Italian TV.... Quite impressive :)

I don't speak a word in Italian, so could you give me any specs of this ship?

btw. why it was launched without the bow section?

It was launched without bow because it was too long to launch with the bow section,the bow section will be attached later.

[irra!]

^^^
I saw the ceremony at Italian TV.... Quite impressive :)

I don't speak a word in Italian, so could you give me any specs of this ship?

btw. why it was launched without the bow section?

it was launched in this way because the bow section has been constructed in another shipyard

hangar : 12 eh 101 / 8 harrier or jsf
length : about 270 m
weight : 27100 tons
crew : about 500 , whit air crew, amphibious troops, special forces and joint command about 1200

[irra!]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/andreadoria.jpg
A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg
A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

the name of ww2 ship was "conte di Cavour", the name of new aircraft carrier is "Cavour" , therefore it is not the same one

[Durandal]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

the name of ww2 ship was "conte di Cavour", the name of new aircraft carrier is "Cavour" , therefore it is not the same one

Actually, if you READ my post I was talking about ships that shared the name "Andrea Doria"

The point of the post is that the name has a "relatively" common usage within the Italian Navy. Much like say...the Lexington in the United States navy and the Ajax in the British. Several ships have shared these names over the years.

With that said...

The Conte di Cavour class of battle ships were being built prior to the Treaty of Washington. The requirements that were placed on Italy gave them reason to stop working on the ships and covert (at least four of them I believe) into the Duilio class.

[FB]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/andreadoria.jpg
A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg
A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

the name of ww2 ship was "conte di Cavour", the name of new aircraft carrier is "Cavour" , therefore it is not the same one

Actually Cavour and Conte di Cavour refer to the same person: Camillo Benso Conte di Cavour. And the ships bearing the word "Cavour" in their name do and did so because they refer to the abovementioned person.

The proper name of the hystorical person was Camillo Benso. Conte di Cavour (Count of Cavour) was his nobility title. But everybody knows him as Conte di Cavour or, simply, Cavour. To this it must be added that with the new Repubblican Constitution the nobility titles were abolished. It is hence possible that the "short" Cavour name was choosen also for this reason.

Best regards

[FB]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

the name of ww2 ship was "conte di Cavour", the name of new aircraft carrier is "Cavour" , therefore it is not the same one

Actually, if you READ my post I was talking about ships that shared the name "Andrea Doria"

The point of the post is that the name has a "relatively" common usage within the Italian Navy. Much like say...the Lexington in the United States navy and the Ajax in the British. Several ships have shared these names over the years.

With that said...

The Conte di Cavour class of battle ships were being built prior to the Treaty of Washington. The requirements that were placed on Italy gave them reason to stop working on the ships and covert (at least four of them I believe) into the Duilio class.

More or less correct, bravo :)

But the 4 preexsting Battle Ships were converted into 2 different classes (albeit not so different from each other, the main armament, for instance, was the same for the two classes).

DUILIO Class: R.N. Caio Duilio; R.N. Andrea Doria

CAVOUR Class: R.N. Conte di Cavour; R.N. Giulio Cesare

Best regards

[Durandal]

I knew of the Cavour class, but I was not aware they were conversions. Cool.

[FB]

I knew of the Cavour class, but I was not aware they were conversions. Cool.

The matter can be a little bit confusing because the 4 original Battle Ships were of only one class, and the class was named Conte di Cavour.

As you correctly poited out, after the Washington Treaty, a lot of navies around the world in the thirties put hands to their old ships and modified/rebuilt them. The Italian Navy (it was called Regia Marina = Royal Navy) chose to work on the existing 4 Battle Ships of the Conte di Cavour class. They did so in two steps: between 1933 and 1937 they worked on R.N. (Regia Nave = Royal Ship) Conte di Cavour and R.N. Giulio Cesare that gave birth to the new Conte di Cavour Class; then, between 1937 and 1940 they worked on R.N. Caio Duilio and R.N. Andrea Doria that gave birth to the Duilio Class. It should be added that the works that took place on those 4 ships was practically a complete reconstruction. Of the original ships were preserved only the hull and the side armor plates.

Best regards

[irra!]

Other than the ill-fated passenger liner, there have been at least two other ships that had this same name...

Both warships...

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/andreadoria.jpg
A pre-1900s dreadnaught used as a battery during World War I

and...

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/battleships/drawings/duilio_class.jpg
A Duilio Class BB, which were actually Conte di Cavour class ships but were changed following the adoption of the Treaty of Washington.

the name of ww2 ship was "conte di Cavour", the name of new aircraft carrier is "Cavour" , therefore it is not the same one

Actually Cavour and Conte di Cavour refer to the same person: Camillo Benso Conte di Cavour. And the ships bearing the word "Cavour" in their name do and did so because they refer to the abovementioned person.

The proper name of the hystorical person was Camillo Benso. Conte di Cavour (Count of Cavour) was his nobility title. But everybody knows him as Conte di Cavour or, simply, Cavour. To this it must be added that with the new Repubblican Constitution the nobility titles were abolished. It is hence possible that the "short" Cavour name was choosen also for this reason.

Best regards

i know very well that Cavour and Conte di Cavour refer to the same person but objectively the name of the two units is not the same

best regards

[Miles Teg]

How interesting !
I've never mind that Italy have got CV.
A new one? that's good!
Using harrier? And after JSF?

A little but usefull one for the european intervention projection.


In our side, we hope England and France governments will agree for the next buildings.
Some rumours talk about 3 conventionnal propulsion carrier on the base model of the Queen Mary II.
One for France "Richelieu" maybe, in addition of thee CDG, and two for England.
:| For England : Any Typhoon marine version? Or JSF? or Rafale ;) ?

[Deed]

http://www.tg1.rai.it/Contents/news/37400/GuardailserviziodiPaoloGiuntelladalTG1ore1330delgiorno20luglio2004.ram A video ...but not in good quality :| [/code]

[ShadowNeo]

In our side, we hope England and France governments will agree for the next buildings.

*cough*Britain*cough*

[Miles Teg]

In our side, we hope Britain and France governments will agree for the next buildings.

Sorry :oops:

You see? It's look very hard, almost we are making mistake like these ! :lol:

[easyand]

LAUNCHED!

http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2004/cavour/images/003.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2004/cavour/images/001.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2004/cavour/images/007.jpg

[szr]

Nice
Anyone know about the engineering involved in getting the bow connected, in the water? How long will it take ..etc?

[easyand]

The bow is 80 meters long it will be attached in the Muggiano shipyard near the lauch site....

[Ballistic]

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria01.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria02.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/doria/doria03.jpg
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/doria01.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA02.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA03.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA04.JPG
http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/DORIA05.JPG
http://www.fincantieri.it/images/fromlwe/num.jpg
http://www.fincantieri.it/images/fromlwe/num2.jpg

:)

I'm really hoping that nice looking ship is a contender for the Aussie carriers...should they go ahead. Really nice !!

[Miles Teg]

woot

That's allways good news !

[Ghostwolf]

I'm really hoping that nice looking ship is a contender for the Aussie carriers...should they go ahead. Really nice !!

The Aussies are building a carrier? Now that's a news.

Andrea Doria is a better looking ship than Charles de Gaule

[J-10]

LAUNCHED!
http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2004/cavour/images/007.jpg

Interesting :D Congratulate!

[easyand]

I'm really hoping that nice looking ship is a contender for the Aussie carriers...should they go ahead. Really nice !!

The Aussies are building a carrier? Now that's a news.

Andrea Doria is a better looking ship than Charles de Gaule

Andrea Doria it's the old name,now is Cavour.
Cavour ship is minus long of charles de gaulle of 17 meters but looks better! woot

[Ballistic]

I'm really hoping that nice looking ship is a contender for the Aussie carriers...should they go ahead. Really nice !!

The Aussies are building a carrier? Now that's a news.

Andrea Doria is a better looking ship than Charles de Gaule

Not building yet, just in the consideration phase. We will either get 2 mini carriers or 4 smaller ships that can carry troops, supplies and vehicles. I prefer the carrier choice, so if the RAAF (Royal Australian Airforce) get the STOVL variant of the JSF with half being the conventional type they can be deployed at sea. Them, plus the new Air Warfare Destroyers (AEGIS), we will have a pretty tough fleet in the Asia Pacific region.

[easyand]

Cavour specifications

Key Data
Crew 840 plus 450 amphibious troops
Dimensions
Length o.a. 244.40m
Length b.p. 225.60m
Breadth moulded 39.00m
Full Load Displacement 26,500t
Flight Deck 232.6m x 34.5m
Hangar 134.2m x 21.0m
Aviation Facilities for fixed-wing aircraft AV-8B Harrier and JSF and helicopters EH101, AB212, NH 90, SH-3D
Missile system SAAM/IT firing Aster 15 surfac-to-air missiles
Guns 2 x Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapid guns, 3 x 25mm anti-aircraft guns
Performance
Max. sustained speed (85 % MCR) 29 knots
Range at 16 knots 7,000nm
Propulsion
GE/FIAT LM2500 Gas Turbines (COGAG) 4
Maximum Continuous Power 4 x 22MW
Feathering controllable pitch propellers 2

[irra!]

new pics :

http://www.difesa.it/backoffice/upload/img/grandi/2004/{6B46AADB-EE24-4474-A061-54E5538F4942}.jpg
http://www.difesa.it/backoffice/upload/img/grandi/2004/{83A8EB90-773D-4FCF-B42B-87F482616C20}.jpg
http://www.difesa.it/backoffice/upload/img/grandi/2004/{938546E9-7EAE-4467-978A-091CC7B67074}.jpg
http://www.difesa.it/backoffice/upload/img/grandi/2004/{7DCF4040-BCC7-49AC-B2A9-53995286784A}.jpg
http://www.difesa.it/backoffice/upload/img/grandi/2004/{7839E9A5-FE21-401E-A6EA-6A0CB0ACFD01}.jpg

[Mozart]

My congratulations to italian peoples.
Beatifull ship, looks like scale-model :)
The next acknowledgement of opinion, that the Italian ships the most beautiful in the world