FAMAS in 7.62 NATO?

[Cutaway]

Has there ever been plans of a FAMAS variant in 7.62 NATO Calibre?

Just asking becouse there has never been a bullpup rifle in 7.62 NATO. It would make great sniper weapon.

I know there was the AWC Bullpup but it was only a bullpup converted M14 Rifle.

[Lov3ll]

OC-14 Groza is in both 9mm and 7.62x39 p-)

[-[Crosshair]-]

He meant 7.62x51mm, though.

[scuba]

Kel Tec is making a 7.62 X 51 mm bullpup rifle. There will be three versions, all will have the same action and recievers, the only difference will be the lengths of the barrels.

carbine - 18 inches
Sporter - 24 inches
Target - 32 inches

There is a PDF file that has more info
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/downloads/RFB_Flyer_SHOT_2007_web.pdf

[scuba]

There is also another company in the states ACE Ltd. They are planning on making a FN-FAL bullpup conversion, it is still in prototype stage. Had seen pictures before, but can't find them now. They are also making a bullpup AR-15.

http://riflestocks.com/images06/ARBP/ARBP-ss.jpg

Also I don't know if you are only talking about semiautomatics or not, but in Europe there has been a lot of bullpup bolt action rifles in 7.62 X 51 mm. Most of them are hunting rifles, but one military/LE rifle is the AMP TS DSR-1 rifle, it comes in 7.62 NATO, .300 win and .338 lapua. Don't remember the URL, but just google AMP DSR-1.

[Suicaine]

Just asking becouse there has never been a bullpup rifle in 7.62 NATO. It would make great sniper weapon.


even so but a similar rifle chambered for .300 win mag or .338 Lapua Magnum would improve on that and could prove rather popular in the civilian market for hunting.

- Alex

edit: oh bugger when i posted i couldn't read what was said above.

[Hollis]

Has there ever been plans of a FAMAS variant in 7.62 NATO Calibre?

Just asking becouse there has never been a bullpup rifle in 7.62 NATO. It would make great sniper weapon.

I know there was the AWC Bullpup but it was only a bullpup converted M14 Rifle.

first ask your self, Why the bullpup design? That should answer your question.

But it is a interesting concept.

[scuba]

first ask your self, Why the bullpup design? That should answer your question.

But it is a interesting concept.

Having read quite a few threads, I know that you (Hollis) is very familliar with firearms and I don't want what I am going to say next sound like I am trying to teach you how to suck eggs. But maybe the info will be informative or interesting to some other members.

The concept of bullpup came about because the british wanted a rifle that could be used in the saddle more easily then the normal sized rifle (back when the british calvary still went to war on horses).

Some hunters, well at least gamewardens that I have spoken with, like a bullpup rifle because it presents a shorter package when having to go through brush or heavily wooded areas.

Also bullpup, gives a longer barrel within a shorter package. I know that the SA80 gets a bad rep but when I used it, I liked it. It was easy to do FIBUA with (except can't shoot with lefthand around corners) and it took up less space in vehicles. With its combination of full length barrel and SUSAT, it was really accurate as well.

[scuba]

Has there ever been plans of a FAMAS variant in 7.62 NATO Calibre?

Just asking becouse there has never been a bullpup rifle in 7.62 NATO. It would make great sniper weapon.

I know there was the AWC Bullpup but it was only a bullpup converted M14 Rifle.

Also, couldn't believe I forgot about this one, the Walther WA2000 sniper rifle was a bullpup.

[Jippo]

Also AMP's DSR is bullpup:

http://www.amp-ts.com/products/dsr_allgm.html


-jippo

[lt tahoe]

Yeah, scuba already said that.

Are you looking specifically for a FAMAS in 7.62? Or just any bullpup? It's not easy to convert a weapon to fire a heavier caliber after design, so I don't know if the FAMAS could handle that cartridge without serious modification.

[deagle]

i think that the variety of newer firearms development into bullpup style guns is a good thing. Their versatility is obvious ... who doesn't want a more compact size and keeping/extending barrel length ? (at least on paper!). SOme do have doubts about "feel" or shooting style, but i think that can change with drill instruction. I think countries and weaps manufacturers should at least consider it. (hoping to see bullpup m16/m4 soon!)

[oldsoak]

As a sniper weapon, a bullpup might make sense although I'm still in the bolt action camp on this one.

[Redguy]

Kel Tec is making a 7.62 X 51 mm bullpup rifle. There will be three versions, all will have the same action and recievers, the only difference will be the lengths of the barrels.

carbine - 18 inches
Sporter - 24 inches
Target - 32 inches

There is a PDF file that has more info
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/downloads/RFB_Flyer_SHOT_2007_web.pdf

That forward ejection seems like it would be a bitch if it got jammed up.

[maple.leaf]

A 7.62 NATO FAMAS?

Just one comment - WHY, IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT'S HOLY, WHY!!???

[Molli]

7.62 NATO at 1100 rounds-per-minute! :p

[scuba]

i think that the variety of newer firearms development into bullpup style guns is a good thing. Their versatility is obvious ... who doesn't want a more compact size and keeping/extending barrel length ? (at least on paper!). SOme do have doubts about "feel" or shooting style, but i think that can change with drill instruction. I think countries and weaps manufacturers should at least consider it. (hoping to see bullpup m16/m4 soon!)

http://riflestocks.com/images06/ARBP/ARBP-ss.jpg

Also the Iranian makes a assualt rilfe that is essentially a bullpup m16. The Chinese makes a knock off m16, the Iranians takes that rifles and uses the action in a bullpup configuration. Don't remember what the rifle made in Iran is called now, but someone will definitely be able to tell you on MP.net

[scuba]

Google is so helpful

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as81-e.htm
that is the Iranian rifle

[MrX]

Polish new sniper Alex (military des. Bor) rifle is 7.62x51 NATO bull-pup.

[Masai]

That will give some firepower to the FFL... :)

[atanabe]

This Alex look like a bullpup version of the PGM UR. I like it.

Alex
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4240/riflealexyx5.jpg

PGM
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2/pgmminihecatebs3.jpg

[Kocur]

This Alex look like a bullpup version of the PGM UR.

Except, that it isnt. Basically its a scaled down to 7,62mm x 51 NATO derivative of earlier 12,7mm x 99 BMG Tor rifle.

[lt tahoe]

Plus, it's bolt action. If we're including bolt action guns, that's another story; but since the question was about a FAMAS, I'm assuming we're at least talking about semi-autos.

[Kocur]

Also DSR-1 mentioned earlier is a bolt action p-)

I wonder what future awaits Kel-Tec RFB, if we are speaking of at least semi rifles in 7,62NATO, which is VERY nice designed weapon! I hope to see it developed further and achieve success.

[scuba]

http://www.youtube.com/v/t9Xqa2vwq60

[Andyy]

The Walther WA2000 is bullup and avaible in 7.62mm nato

[REMOV]

Has there ever been plans of a FAMAS variant in 7.62 NATO Calibre? Just asking becouse there has never been a bullpup rifle in 7.62 NATO. It would make great sniper weapon. I know there was the AWC Bullpup but it was only a bullpup converted M14 Rifle.There were some bullpup design battle rifles fed by 7,62 mm x 51 cartridge: L. Cook's designs, Garand T-31, and nowadays American KelTec RFB and... Iranian DIA G3-based bullpup.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8698/defendory16yp0.jpg

[Andyy]

http://www.youtube.com/v/t9Xqa2vwq60
funny ejecting port :p
and that hole in the wall :lol:

[Masai]

funny ejecting port :p
and that hole in the wall :lol:

I dont trust that ejection port just yet...

[Shrap]

TECHNICAL CONSULTING INTERNATIONAL (T.C.I.) M89-SR / ISRAEL

FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM: THE ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES WEAPONS GUIDE (www.isayeret.com)

"The Technical Consulting international (TCI) Model 89 Sniper Rifle (M89SR), is an Israeli made bullpup version of the American made M14. The weapon was first introduced in the mid 1980?s as the Sardius M36 Sniper Weapon System (SWS). Like the Israeli military industries (IMI) Galil Sniper Rifle, that was also introduced at that time, the M36 SWS was another potential competitor for replacing the Israeli modified M14 SWS, then the standard issue SWS for long range sniping in the Israeli Defense Force (IDF). In the tests conducted by the IDF in the late 1980?s, the M36 was tested head to head with the IMI Galil Sniper Rifle and the M14, and prevailed by far. The M36 was very accurate, reliable and compact in size, so the IDF placed an initial order for 1300 units of the M36 to be purchased. Unfortunately, the Sardius Company failed to prove it had the proper financial and technical resources to produce such a mass quantity and the IDF's order was aborted. Eventually neither the Galil Sniper Rifle nor the M36 SWS managed to replace the M14 in the IDF, and the M14 stayed in its role as the main IDF's SWS, up until a decade later in 1997 when it was finally replaced by a real bolt action SWS - the M24. In the early 1990?s Sardius went out of business and the TCI Company got the licensee to produce the M36 SWS. The weapon had undergone heavy modification, including a new carbon fiber stock, and was reintroduced as the M89SR. As a bullpup version of one of the most accurate assault rifle ever made - the M14 - the M89SR is a pleasantly surprising very accurate semi auto rifle, which is well capable of 1 MOA groups, even with the IDF standard issued IMI M852 168 grain Sierra round. With proper match ammunition like the M118LR 175 grain round, the M89SR is even cable of 0.75 MOA. Its bullpup design allows the M89 to utilize a relatively long fully floating barrel (56 cm in length), while maintaining a very short length. The M89SR length is only 85 cm (103 with a sound suppressor mounted), hence much shorter then assault rifles not to mention from other much longer conventional shape SWS. Fully loaded with a M14 20 rounds magazine, the M89SR weight is only 6.28 kg, (7.03 kg with a sound suppressor mounted). Its combined compact size and weight provide the M89SR SWS with a very potent concealment feature, allowing it to be carried concealed very conveniently until the actual operational deployment. Eventually only 50 M36 were bought by the IDF. The M36 short length, combined with its inherent strong firepower, due to the original M14's 20 7.62 rounds magazine used, made it an ideal SWS for units with prior concern being concealment. So the few M36 purchased were mainly issued to the two IDF Special Forces (SF) undercover units operating at the time - Sayeret Duvedevan (Unit 217) and Sayeret Shimshon. Today, part from few samples, all the original 50 M36 SWS bought by the IDF in the late 1980?s, were put out of service mainly due to lack of proper maintenance. The IDF still use a very small number of M89SR, which are again used mainly by Sayeret Duvedevan. Unfortunately, due to the U.S. American Foreign Military Support (FMS) to Israel, most of it has to be spent back in the U.S., the chances of the IDF or any other Israeli security organization, procuring critical mass of this superb of its kind weapon, are slim to none. However, the M89SR is sold quite successfully abroad, mainly to SF units."

Image: http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1797.htm

[hackenslash]

My sargeant during basic fired an experimental 7.62x51mm AUSteyr at the ADI factory. Just 2 days after, it was sectioned and put on display in the factory. *shakes head sadly* :cantbeli:
Damn I want one! lol

[zulu261]

What are you talking about? Famas or Steyr?

[hackenslash]

What are you talking about? Famas or Steyr?

Steyr. ADI made an experimental one in 7.62 NATO calibre.

[maw]

the walther ma2000 was also available in .300 win mag.