Jim Webb & gun...

[California Joe]

Anyone else hear about an aide to Senator Webb getting busted with a loaded pistol? Seems Senator Webb was going to get on a plane and forgot he was packing heat and 2 spare mags and gave them to an aide to hold for him. The guy puts them in his briefcase and returns to work and gets busted by Capitol Hill police whilst going through a metal detector. Oops.

Big "DOH!" on that one. Jeez.

[houdakye]

Of course if this was a Republican that did this, you would see the Dems all up in a tizzy. And then they would try to pass some stricter guns. Along with someones resignation.

[Laworkerbee]

The thing that bugs me is he denys giving the handgun to his aide leaving the guy out to dry.

I mean is he claiming the aide stole his firearm?...i don't get it why not just come clean and admit a mistake

“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

The thing that bugs me is he denys giving the handgun to his aide leaving the guy out to dry.

I mean is he claiming the aide stole his firearm?...i don't get it why not just come clean and admit a mistake

“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.



........maybe he's afraid of offending a certain voter base.............

[houdakye]

If a politician ever says "all, everyone, or never", in a sentence, then they are full of ****.

[California Joe]

F*cking guys are all either retards or liars. I think once you enter that building they suck half of your brain out. I found that report odd, that a gun owning Senator would somehow have a dumbspell and forget he was packing while on the way to the airport. Christ, I leave my pocketknife at home when I head to the airport. Then the aide has a larger dumbspell and decides to walk into a Federal building through metal detectors with a loaded gun. WTF?

F*ck offending anyone Joshua, simple fact is that statement is probably true, he wouldn't have made it into the building while carrying. He would have had to go through the same metal detector the other guy did.

This is easily solved, check who the gun is registered to. That ought to clear up a few things right off.

[houdakye]

Why can't we have some hard working, blue collar, beer drinking, gun toting (oops) congressmen, that don't have their heads so far up there a$$.

[XASA]

Even though I voted for him, leaving his aide out to swing in the breeze doesn't say much for Webb. You can't get elected dog catcher in Virginia if you are not pro-gun, so I don't think he has to worry about alienating voters. I live inside the Washington Beltway in Virginia and have a conceal carry permit like Webb. One of the things that is drilled into you are the ramifications of carrying in DC or Maryland-- it's illegal-- even though you might live only five miles from the state line. I'll use the anomynity of the Internet and state that I have broken the law on occasion by carrying in DC if I knew I would be on the streets late at night-- better safe than sorry was my excuse-- but the neighborhood around the Capitol has to be one of the most secure in the country. Regardless of the reasons Webb or his aide gives for the incident, it certainly was a stupid mistake.

[HR24]

His reply makes no sense whatsoever. Makes him sound like a gutless p*ssy who can't own up to a mistake. I am aware of his respected reputation and service record, but hanging a guy out to dry like this is telling.

I'm with CJ. Run the registration on the gun. If it comes back un-registered, then pull latents and see who has been in contact with it.

[Desk Jockey]

[quote=California Joe;2396428]F*cking guys are all either retards or liars. I think once you enter that building they suck half of your brain out. quote]

They become the dictionary definition of persons who think they are entitled to a different set of rules we all live by. The notion of the republic being founded by citizens who did their civic duty and returned to the dreaded private sector is gone. Even in defeat you land a nice lobbying gig. Also, you need 10-20 million in the bank to run for Senate. Any regular type blokes gonna be able to go and represent the people.

Washington is a close second behind Hollyweird, who by the way are know to pack heat on planes as well as mushrooms and other assorted contraband.

Sean Penn for all his opposition to violence needs to carry a piece through LAX or whatever. Christian Slater as well.

The other posters notion is well stated, Virginians won't blame him for taking along a pistola. Probably see a rise in his poll numbers.

[sferrin]

The thing that bugs me is he denys giving the handgun to his aide leaving the guy out to dry.

I mean is he claiming the aide stole his firearm?...i don't get it why not just come clean and admit a mistake

“I have never carried a gun in the Capitol complex and I did not give the weapon to Phillip Thompson, and that’s all that I think I’ll say,” Webb told reporters.

Straight from the school of "I did not inhale."

[Durandal]

Washington is a close second behind Hollyweird, who by the way are know to pack heat on planes as well as mushrooms and other assorted contraband.

Not too sure I agree with this. The "Hollywood" crowd (assuming we are not using some sort of weird code word for "jews") is simply rich and eccentric and like most people because of their wealth and obvious talent and understanding for the way the world works think they should be above us mortals.

Washington is a completely different issue.

These guys make the laws, they ARE our nation. We elect them and they, 9 times out of 10, go star chamber on us, and everything turns secretive and conspiracy oriented...or simply just whoring for money and votes.

Either way, while collectively these guys might be "poorer" than those in Hollywood, all the hollywood guys can do is contribute to campaigns and make propaganda pieces like Gore's flic...and steal European films and wreck them so America audiences can "understand" them...

CaliJoe, I'm right there with you, though my take on it is a little different. I am thinking there is a possible third explanation...the aid did not know it was in there...he was simply given the brief case.

[California Joe]

Your right Durandal, that could also be the case. As the rest said, no one in the state of Virginia would fault the guy for legally carrying but someone screwed up and Webbs explanation just sounds weak. Christ, you have a gun friendly Senator and the guy does something retarded with a firearm. Just boggles my mind.

[Vehemence]

Your right Durandal, that could also be the case. As the rest said, no one in the state of Virginia would fault the guy for legally carrying but someone screwed up and Webbs explanation just sounds weak. Christ, you have a gun friendly Senator and the guy does something retarded with a firearm. Just boggles my mind.

It's not about fault when politicians are involved. These individuals simply can not afford to lose any votes. Their state of mind revolves around this. If someone sees a firearm fall out of their pocket, and that individual is anti-gun, a voter is lost. I really think it's as simple as that, and they lie to maintain integrity in such situations. Whether guns are legal or not, a politician shouldn't be carrying one to office.

The real fun in these types of matters is concocting the explanation. This, may actually be a lengthy process, until someone stands up and says, "just tell the press you had no idea, and the public will believe you".

[Durandal]

Your right Durandal, that could also be the case. As the rest said, no one in the state of Virginia would fault the guy for legally carrying but someone screwed up and Webbs explanation just sounds weak. Christ, you have a gun friendly Senator and the guy does something retarded with a firearm. Just boggles my mind.

Yeah, that's what pisses me off the most.

I'll be even more pissed if he lets his aid swing in the wind completely.

Pro-gun or not, its not the only issue that is important to me and ethics are up there neck and neck with my Constitutional Right to bear arms.

[California Joe]

I know, I really liked the guy but this incident just makes him sound like a douche.

[PPSH41]

I don't know what DC's gun laws are but in Michigan, if someone else gets caught in possession of your handgun you either have to report it was stolen or you go to jail. They're pretty strict on it here. Hope this thing gets straightened out and he doesn't leave his aid high and dry.

[Desk Jockey]

Not too sure I agree with this. The "Hollywood" crowd (assuming we are not using some sort of weird code word for "jews") is simply rich and eccentric and like most people because of their wealth and obvious talent and understanding for the way the world works think they should be above us mortals.

Washington is a completely different issue.

These guys make the laws, they ARE our nation. We elect them and they, 9 times out of 10, go star chamber on us, and everything turns secretive and conspiracy oriented...or simply just whoring for money and votes.

Either way, while collectively these guys might be "poorer" than those in Hollywood, all the hollywood guys can do is contribute to campaigns and make propaganda pieces like Gore's flic...and steal European films and wreck them so America audiences can "understand" them...

CaliJoe, I'm right there with you, though my take on it is a little different. I am thinking there is a possible third explanation...the aid did not know it was in there...he was simply given the brief case.

No reference to jews, yes these guys makes laws but it just seems to me that Hollywood is deatched from reality. And the biggest proponents of gun control or anti violence are found often packign firearms.

Paris Hilton Hilton walks away from a potential jam just like rep. Kennedy.

The amount of money Hollywood donates to campaigns in a round about way does in fact make them de-facto law makers.

[NewsMan]

I think there is some misinfo going on here. We're working this story as well and as far as we can put together, this is what happened:

Webb was in a group of vehicles that was taking the Senator to the airport. Knowing the airport is a no-gun location, he put his weapon in his personal bag, which was one of several.

Thompson and the group of vehicles left the Senator at the airport When Thompson tried to enter the building carrying the bags, he set off the alarm.

[California Joe]

Thank you David, that sounds reasonable. They should have probably just come right out and said that. As I said before I was a big supporter of Webb because I like his style.

[XASA]

And the biggest proponents of gun control or anti violence are found often packign firearms.



BTW: Webb is a strong proponent of gun ownership and conceal carry and always has been.

[California Joe]

Which is why Davids info makes sense.

[XASA]

Personally, I would like to know what a Marine Navy Cross winner, who once taught pistol marksmanship to fellow Marines, packs. One would think it would be a .45 but who knows? His expert opinion would carry a lot of weight with me; much more than the opinion of gun magazine and web "experts".

[California Joe]

You're right. I would like to know that myself.

[StukaJr]

Apparently, some males with CCW's carry their weapons in laptop bags or specialized tacticool man purses - a co-worker of mine found a laptop bag that someone left in a lobby of their building. In it, was a loaded Glock 22 with four spare magazines - the bag belonged to a PI (PI is a straight ticket to CCW while regular citizens are non-issue in Los Angeles) and he had to be contacted to pick up the bag. Police was not involved but the incident would most likely have his carry license revoked - not only was the individual not looking for the bag, he was unaware that his weapon was gone...

I can easily imagine the same situation with Webb - males are not accustomed to relying on bags for their first layer of personal belongings, unlike women. Aid could have also grabbed an extra bag out of a car if he was collecting them out of the trunk unsupervised - I don't know the whole story...

Primary fault of Webb is having a gun where it's easily accessible by individuals other than himself...

[Calanen]

He should have just said, I gave it to the aide to hold, its my gun, im surprised he walked into the capital building with it. What's the big deal....Once you start lying, its a slippery road to hell...