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Pille1234
04-28-2004, 11:31 PM
not the best results :|


Poll: Iraqis conflicted about war, its impact

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nearly half the Iraqis polled in a survey conducted primarily in March and early April said they believed the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good, but 61 percent of respondents said Saddam Hussein's ouster made it worth any hardships.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll showed conflicted feelings among Iraqis over the war and its impact at the time of the survey.

Most interviews were done between March 22 and April 9 -- before the latest flare-up of violence that brought some of the deadliest fighting since the end of major combat nearly a year ago.

Iraqi interviewers conducted face-to-face surveys with 3,444 adults in Arabic and Kurdish in respondents' homes. The poll covered urban and rural areas throughout Iraq, representing about 93 percent of the population. It has a sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

Nearly half -- 47 percent -- said they believed attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq could not be justified, while 52 percent said those attacks could be justified some or all of the time.

Thirty-three percent of those polled said the war had done more good than harm, while 46 percent said it had done more harm than good.

Forty-two percent said Iraq was better off because of the war, while 39 percent said it was worse off. Given the sampling error, those figures indicated a dead heat.

On a personal level, Iraqis appeared more optimistic, according to the poll. More than half of those surveyed -- 51 percent -- said they and their families were better off than they were before the invasion, while 25 percent said they were worse off.

Fifty-four percent said conditions for creating peace and stability had worsened in the three months before they were questioned for the poll. Twenty-five percent said conditions improved during that time before the upsurge in violence.

Those polled were virtually united in opposition to attacks against Iraqi police, the survey found. Ninety-two percent said those attacks could not be justified.

But the Iraqis surveyed were split on whether ongoing U.S.-led military action in the country was justified. Fifty-two percent said it was not, while 47 percent said it could be justified.

Asked about when they wanted U.S. and British forces to leave, 57 percent chose immediately, as in the next few months, the poll said; 36 percent said troops should stay longer.

At the time the question was asked, 53 percent said they would feel less safe if the U.S.-led coalition left immediately. About half as many -- 28 percent -- said they would feel more safe. Sixty-nine percent said they or their families would be in danger if they were seen cooperating with the coalition.

The respondents were split in their opinions of L. Paul Bremer, the U.S civilian administrator in Iraq. Forty-two percent said they held a unfavorable opinion, while 31 percent rated him favorably. He proved more popular than President Bush, disliked by more than half the respondents.

Forty-four percent gave Bush a very unfavorable rating and 11 percent somewhat unfavorable; 24 percent said they held a favorable opinion of the U.S. president. But Bush proved more popular than Saddam in the survey, with eight of 10 respondents viewing the ousted Iraqi leader unfavorably at the time the poll was done.

Negative view of U.S. forces

U.S. soldiers man a checkpoint Wednesday in Baghdad.
The poll suggested more than half of Iraqis had a negative impression of U.S. forces in general before the current wave of violence.

Twenty-nine percent said troops had conducted themselves very badly, while another 29 percent said fairly badly; 24 percent chose fairly well, and 10 percent said troops had acted very well.

Among those who said the troops acted badly, 54 percent said their opinions were based on things they had heard. Thirty-nine percent said they decided based on things they had seen, while 7 percent said they were judging from personal experience.

Two-thirds -- 67 percent -- said troops were not trying at all to keep ordinary Iraqis from being killed in exchanges of gunfire, while 18 percent said the Americans were trying only a little and 11 percent said they were trying a lot.

Sixty percent of those surveyed said U.S. soldiers sometimes or often showed disrespect for Iraqis during home searches; 29 percent said that the troops did not. Forty-six percent said the troops sometimes or often showed disrespect for Iraqi women during such operations, while 39 percent said the soldiers did not.

Asked whether U.S. troops showed disrespect for Islam during such operations, respondents were split -- 42 percent said often or a little, while 43 percent said not at all.

Those polled gave the troops low marks for reconstruction efforts. Asked about the restoration of basic services such as electricity and clean drinking water, 41 percent said the troops were trying only a little and 44 percent said they were not trying at all.

Seventy-one percent surveyed said they saw troops mostly as occupiers, while 19 percent said they viewed them as liberators. Asked how they viewed troops at the time of the invasion a year ago, the respondents were split, with 43 percent saying they saw the coalition forces as occupiers and another 43 percent saying they considered them liberators at the time.

But asked, "Thinking about any hardships you might have suffered since the U.S.-Britain invasion, do you personally think that ousting Saddam Hussein was worth it or not?" Sixty-one percent said it was worth it. Twenty-eight percent said it was not, while 9 percent said they were not sure.

American Patriot
04-28-2004, 11:34 PM
How about liberators AND occupiers?

I bet that the U.S. has enough Iraqis on their side that they could leave and the Iraqis would be able to keep the peace.

Right now we are taking 90% of terrorist attacks which will continue to go on because there's no way to find all the conventional weapons and kill or capture all the bad guys. They will be a fact of life for the Iraqis. That's why I think the June 30th deadline is necessary becase there's no reason to stay there longer.

seruriermarshal
04-28-2004, 11:38 PM
Why this text use this title ?

Look this title : Do you personally think that ousting Saddam Hussein was worth it or not?" Sixty-one percent said it was worth it.

:roll:

M1A2U2
04-28-2004, 11:40 PM
90% of iraqis consider attackers on the coalition as enemies

Seoulstriker
04-28-2004, 11:48 PM
We already knew that the Iraqis don't like occupying troops. Too bad the CNN poll did not ask whether they want their sovreignty. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the poll was taken in Fallujah, and exluded Kurdistan.

ibstolidude
04-29-2004, 12:39 AM
Most Iraq Shia Arabs Oppose Attacks
Mon Apr 5, 7:15 PM ET

By The Associated Press

Shia Arabs in Iraq (news - web sites) generally do not support attacks against coalition forces like the ones that occurred over the weekend, according to a nationwide poll of Iraqis.

On Sunday, Shia Arabs in several parts of the country fought with coalition forces, killing at least 52 Iraqis and nine coalition troops. The confrontation threatened to open a dangerous new front: a confrontation with Iraq's powerful Shia majority, which has until now largely avoided violence with the Americans.

Attempts by U.S. troops to arrest Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have heightened tensions with Iraq's Shia majority at a time when those troops already face the Sunni guerrillas' bloody insurgency.

Anger at the United States peaks among Sunni Arabs, especially those who live in the central Iraq province of Anbar. That province includes Fallujah, where four contractors were killed and their bodies mutilated last week.

Shias are less likely than Sunnis to say the invasion of Iraq was wrong — by about 30 percentage points. And only one in 10 Shias say attacks on coalition forces are acceptable, compared with three in 10 Sunni Arabs and seven in 10 Sunnis in the Anbar province.

The poll of 2,737 Iraqis age 15 and older was conducted from Feb. 9-28 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points, larger for subgroups like Shia Arabs. The poll was conducted by Oxford Research International for ABC News, the BBC, the German network ARD and the Japanese network NHK.

- there are loads of polls and loads of interpretations - according to other publishers of the same poll data the 57% of Iraqis actually answered the question on whether the US should leave immediately after the handover (30 June planned). - either way I felt the results were overall a positive compared to the portrayal on common media television, but does reflect a huge discrepancy between the reality and what many US policy makers (or atleast policy advocates) felt would be "over whelming" support.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3514504.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/GoodMorningAmerica/Iraq_anniversary_poll_040314.html
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003991
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004319.asp

talib_killa34
04-29-2004, 12:50 AM
"they believed the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good, but 61 percent of respondents said Saddam Hussein's ouster made it worth any hardships"




Umm..say what? :|

Gordon
04-29-2004, 12:59 AM
. That's why I think the June 30th deadline is necessary becase there's no reason to stay there longer.

What exactly do you mean by this statement?

I am just wondering because it sounds like you mean that by June 30th the coalition will have done its stuff and will pull out ... surely thats not what you meant. For example, you know that the US military is still going to have control over the Iraqi military after June 30th and I can not imagine that you think the coalition troops are just going to pull out on June 30th.

I do not know a whole lot, militarily, but coalition troops are going to be in Iraq for a while after June 30th, and that's a fact.

edit - as ibstolidude basically said, poll results depend on who you poll and who interprets it, results can be manipulated and are all the time.

Mark Sman
04-29-2004, 01:05 AM
57% of Iraqis are not going to get what they want.

talib_killa34
04-29-2004, 01:08 AM
*grumble*
*grumble*
*grumble*

F@*% ing country....

*grumble*
*grumble*
*grumble*

StarvingStudent47
04-29-2004, 01:21 AM
"they believed the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good, but 61 percent of respondents said Saddam Hussein's ouster made it worth any hardships"




Umm..say what? :|

That's what I've been trying to sort out since I first heard about this poll.

Mark Sman
04-29-2004, 01:50 AM
The Iraqi people have been through some crazy few decades. One person might feel several conflicting things about the same issue.

Even the people that want some coalition presence may not have sorted out how they feel about all of it yet.

Face it, I back our military, but if an Abrams tank was chasing some numbnuts with an RPG and ran over my car I'd be mad.

Not tank killin' mad, but definitely confused

HELEX
04-29-2004, 04:18 AM
Most Iraq Shia Arabs Oppose Attacks
Mon Apr 5, 7:15 PM ET

By The Associated Press

Shia Arabs in Iraq (news - web sites) generally do not support attacks against coalition forces like the ones that occurred over the weekend, according to a nationwide poll of Iraqis.

On Sunday, Shia Arabs in several parts of the country fought with coalition forces, killing at least 52 Iraqis and nine coalition troops. The confrontation threatened to open a dangerous new front: a confrontation with Iraq's powerful Shia majority, which has until now largely avoided violence with the Americans.

Attempts by U.S. troops to arrest Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have heightened tensions with Iraq's Shia majority at a time when those troops already face the Sunni guerrillas' bloody insurgency.

Anger at the United States peaks among Sunni Arabs, especially those who live in the central Iraq province of Anbar. That province includes Fallujah, where four contractors were killed and their bodies mutilated last week.

Shias are less likely than Sunnis to say the invasion of Iraq was wrong — by about 30 percentage points. And only one in 10 Shias say attacks on coalition forces are acceptable, compared with three in 10 Sunni Arabs and seven in 10 Sunnis in the Anbar province.

The poll of 2,737 Iraqis age 15 and older was conducted from Feb. 9-28 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points, larger for subgroups like Shia Arabs. The poll was conducted by Oxford Research International for ABC News, the BBC, the German network ARD and the Japanese network NHK.

- there are loads of polls and loads of interpretations - according to other publishers of the same poll data the 57% of Iraqis actually answered the question on whether the US should leave immediately after the handover (30 June planned). - either way I felt the results were overall a positive compared to the portrayal on common media television, but does reflect a huge discrepancy between the reality and what many US policy makers (or atleast policy advocates) felt would be "over whelming" support.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3514504.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/GoodMorningAmerica/Iraq_anniversary_poll_040314.html
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003991
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004319.asp


Weak point, the Iraqis dont support the abuses of corpses but the attacks itself..... :roll:

big_les
04-29-2004, 04:44 AM
"they believed the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good, but 61 percent of respondents said Saddam Hussein's ouster made it worth any hardships"




Umm..say what? :|

That's what I've been trying to sort out since I first heard about this poll.

Replace 'ouster' with 'ousting' and it makes perfect sense, and is positive since as long as a majority are happier that he's gone no matter how far on the way to hell in a handbasket Iraq might be, we're all fine.

ibstolidude
04-29-2004, 11:19 AM
Most Iraq Shia Arabs Oppose Attacks
Mon Apr 5, 7:15 PM ET

By The Associated Press

Shia Arabs in Iraq (news - web sites) generally do not support attacks against coalition forces like the ones that occurred over the weekend, according to a nationwide poll of Iraqis.

On Sunday, Shia Arabs in several parts of the country fought with coalition forces, killing at least 52 Iraqis and nine coalition troops. The confrontation threatened to open a dangerous new front: a confrontation with Iraq's powerful Shia majority, which has until now largely avoided violence with the Americans.

Attempts by U.S. troops to arrest Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have heightened tensions with Iraq's Shia majority at a time when those troops already face the Sunni guerrillas' bloody insurgency.

Anger at the United States peaks among Sunni Arabs, especially those who live in the central Iraq province of Anbar. That province includes Fallujah, where four contractors were killed and their bodies mutilated last week.

Shias are less likely than Sunnis to say the invasion of Iraq was wrong — by about 30 percentage points. And only one in 10 Shias say attacks on coalition forces are acceptable, compared with three in 10 Sunni Arabs and seven in 10 Sunnis in the Anbar province.

The poll of 2,737 Iraqis age 15 and older was conducted from Feb. 9-28 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points, larger for subgroups like Shia Arabs. The poll was conducted by Oxford Research International for ABC News, the BBC, the German network ARD and the Japanese network NHK.

- there are loads of polls and loads of interpretations - according to other publishers of the same poll data the 57% of Iraqis actually answered the question on whether the US should leave immediately after the handover (30 June planned). - either way I felt the results were overall a positive compared to the portrayal on common media television, but does reflect a huge discrepancy between the reality and what many US policy makers (or atleast policy advocates) felt would be "over whelming" support.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3514504.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/GoodMorningAmerica/Iraq_anniversary_poll_040314.html
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003991
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004319.asp


Weak point, the Iraqis dont support the abuses of corpses but the attacks itself..... :roll:

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make about attacks on coalition forces... - Are you saying the MAJORITY of the Iraqi general population supports/condones the attacks on coalition forces?

HELEX
04-29-2004, 11:52 AM
Yes, I really think more than 50% supports the attacks. At least 80% want to see them leaving as soon as possible.

TheBlackHand
04-29-2004, 12:36 PM
My immediate reaction is that these ungrateful animals are incapable of functioning under anything other than a dictatorship so that is all that they deserve. Since they say we're unwanted and can't do anything right, I say we leave them to their own devices & see how well they do on their own. With or without "free" elections, it'll only be a matter of time until they end up under the boot of another Saddam, which is where we should've left them in the first place.

The road to hell....

Garibaldi
04-29-2004, 01:06 PM
I was also thinking of posting this article. i must say its title it´s a little biased. The orginal CNN title is "Poll: Iraqis conflicted about war, its impact", which, I think, it´s most accurate.

ibstolidude: This poll has been made by CNN/USA Today/Gallup, not by Al-Jazeera, so your suggestions of manipulation are totally out of place. They were also " ...conducted face-to-face surveys with 3,444 adults in Arabic and Kurdish in respondents' homes. The poll covered urban and rural areas throughout Iraq, representing about 93 percent of the population. It has a sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.". The poll you mention has been conducted only among the shia community, a large part of the population of Iraq, but not the whole of it.

ibstolidude
04-29-2004, 04:06 PM
Yes, I really think more than 50% supports the attacks. At least 80% want to see them leaving as soon as possible.
Now after calling refering to my post as a weak point - can you offer any data to support your claim that MORE than 50% support the attacks from either the original poll of topic on any subsequent polls? or poerhaps your post was a weak point?

Fox2
04-29-2004, 10:06 PM
Yes, I really think more than 50% supports the attacks. At least 80% want to see them leaving as soon as possible.
Now after calling refering to my post as a weak point - can you offer any data to support your claim that MORE than 50% support the attacks from either the original poll of topic on any subsequent polls? or poerhaps your post was a weak point?

I'll let him answer, but I'll just say, from previous debate on this very same subject, indeed, these very same statistics; don't hold your breath for any real evidence. ;)