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Trident-za
04-29-2004, 02:28 AM
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=DefenseWatch.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=451&rnd=841.8127213287016


...But one wrong notion does appear to underlie many of our blunders. That is the belief that in this war, the U.S. military is the strongest player.

We hear this at every level from the rifle squad to the White House. In Fallujah, Marine privates and sergeants want to finish the job of taking the city, with no doubt whatsoever that they can. In Baghdad, spokesmen for the CPA regularly trumpet the line that no Iraqi fighters can hope to stand up to the U.S. military. Washington casts a broader net, boasting that the American military can defeat any enemy, anywhere. The bragging and self-congratulation reach the point where, as Oscar Wilde might have said, it is worse than untrue; it is in bad taste.

In fact, in Iraq and in Fourth Generation war elsewhere, we are the weaker party. The most important reason this is so is time.

For every other party, the distinguishing characteristic of the American intervention force is that it, and it alone, will go away. At some point, sooner or later, we will go home. Everyone else stays, because they live there.

This has many implications, none of them good from our perspective. Local allies know they will at some time face their local enemies without us there to support them. French collaborators with the Germans, and there were many, can tell us what happens then. Local enemies know they can outlast us. Neutrals make their calculations on the same basis; as my neighbor back in Cleveland said, one of Arabs’ few military virtues is that they are always on the winning side.

All our technology, all our training, all our superiority in techniques (like being able to hit what we shoot at) put together are less powerful than the fact that time is against us. More, we tend to accelerate the time disadvantage. American election cycles play a role here; clearly, that is what lies behind the June 30 deadline for handing Iraq over to some kind of Iraqi government. So does a central feature of American culture, the desire for quick results and “closure.”

Whether we are talking about wars or diets, Americans want action now and results fast. In places like Fallujah, that leads us to prefer assaults to talks. Our opponents, in contrast, have all the time in the world – and in the next world for that matter.





But time still overshadows all of these. Worse, we can do nothing about it, unless, like the Romans, we plan to stay for three hundred years.



This is something that worries me... even if the US stays in Iraq for the next 10 years, how long will it take the "bad guys" to come back when they leave? Even if it takes another 10 years for the bad guys to come back, we then are back at the start.... do we then repeat the whole process in 20 years time?

American Patriot
04-29-2004, 02:58 AM
Why does this idiot think that the Iraqis won't be able to handle terrorists in their own country after the gradual transfer of authority?

Why is he suggesting that telling al-Sadr to **** off and cleaning up Fallujah was a mistake?

Why is he such a douchebag?

How much money does the DNC pay him?

These are the questions we ask ourselves.

Trident-za
04-29-2004, 04:03 AM
Well, you ask yourself those questions.... I ask different ones :) No doubt your credentials and experience are far greater than his....

Spooky
04-29-2004, 04:13 AM
Yeesh. Foolish. The whole point is to set up a self-sustaining government which can handle its own internal problems. If we need to stay a decade to achieve this then we will, but rest assured the government will be capable of taking care of itself when we leave. America's very credibility is resting on what happens with Iraq and thus failure isn't really an option.

HELEX
04-29-2004, 04:14 AM
Why does this idiot think that the Iraqis won't be able to handle terrorists in their own country after the gradual transfer of authority?

Why is he suggesting that telling al-Sadr to f*** off and cleaning up Fallujah was a mistake?

Why is he such a douchebag?

How much money does the DNC pay him?

These are the questions we ask ourselves.

1.) Because they arent Terrorists but Patriots and Freedom fighters.

2.)Because it makes all other Iraqis hating you more and brings pro US Iraqis in a very difficult situation. They cant say its godd that Iraqis are killed, even Al Sadrs men.

3.)Why are you?

4.)Nothing.

5.)I doubt you ever questioned yourself in any way.

Trident-za
04-29-2004, 05:50 AM
Yeesh. Foolish. The whole point is to set up a self-sustaining government which can handle its own internal problems. If we need to stay a decade to achieve this then we will, but rest assured the government will be capable of taking care of itself when we leave. America's very credibility is resting on what happens with Iraq and thus failure isn't really an option.

It is precisely because "failure isn't an option" and "America's very credibility is ...." that I hope like hell the guys planning for the next few years are a little better (and more realistic) than whoever planned the first year of coalition presence in Iraq. If better planning requires a change in mindset, and an acknowledgement that superior military forces have lost "guerilla wars" all over the world, then so be it....

And here are 2 questions to ask yourself American Patriot: are there more or less "anti-iraqi terrorists" now than a year ago? And, if the US flattens Falluja completely, will that scare of the rest of the fanatics into democracy, or will it create more fanatics who are prepared to die as long as they get to kill westerners first? I don't know the answer to the 2nd question, but I fear that is not the answer we all want....

Hellman109
04-29-2004, 07:00 AM
America could if it concentrated all it's forces, and attacked first, deafeat and single country, no offense to anyone, but it's true.

BUT

They cant concentrate there forces, there all over the place. If there attacked first and nuclear capable country (esp russia and china) could destroy most of there army and manufacturing, etc. in a single strike (of many missles, obviously).

It would also have to ignore the fact of world polotics, Allies of the attacked country would defend them, America would be cut from the UN (for an unprovoked attack, that is), econimic and commercial sanctions would cripple it.

So basically if you take facts and reality out of it yes they could, they could **** over any country and screw them for decades, but they couldnt sieze and hold any country of there choosing at any time.