US civil war looming?

[Xtoisè]

I just saw this video on liveleak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38e_1174691271 and from what I've seen lately here in US; many Americans are being called anti-Americans, and many Americans concider themselves anti-Americans, ussualy during political discussions or arguements. And this not just between liberals and conservatives; reps and dems.
Many of you will brush off the notion of civil war, but to me this looks serious.

[Zarathustra]

Video posted around here before a couple of days ago...

A civil war won't start over some clowns burning a flag or a soldier effigy, at worst (best ?) they get beaten up by Patriots.

[schwarz]

Shouldnt it be looming....either way there isnt going to be another Civil
War over this crap hopefully just some beat downs.

[Lov3ll]

They're just ignorant kids, plus the military = pro America so wouldn't be much of a civil war, although I believe the same **** happened during the Vietnam war ask some of the older members whether it was the same response or if it's worse now or was worse back then, the US is to civilised and believes to much in democracy to have a civil war p-)

[Hunterhr]

It'd be a real short civil war. Definetly not putting any money on a bunch of anarchist kids.

[LaoSexMachine]

Many of you will brush off the notion of civil war, but to me this looks serious
Reporting in.

I live in one of the most diverse cities in the nation and people get along.

[Aerosoul]

I told you guys the South would rise again. Just a matter of time.

[bryanleu2002]

Reporting in.

I live in one of the most diverst cities in the nation and people get along.

Take away the ability to eat for a few months; depression , biological attack, consumer fear, whatever. and you will see "diverst" go out the door and ,civil unrest... society is Fragile... look at Katrina..

[jedisponge]

In the world we live in, anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if such an event did occur.

However, at this moment it's about as likely as discovering alien intelligent life on another planet.

[schwarz]

I told you guys the South would rise again. Just a matter of time.

If only:)..................

[Aerosoul]

Take away the ability to eat for a few months; depression , biological attack, consumer fear, whatever. and you will see "diverst" go out the door and ,civil unrest... society is Fragile... look at Katrina..
So, all we need for civil war is for Katrina-like circumstances to hit dozens of major US cities.

I think we'll be fine, thanks for your concern.

[madjack]

We didn't have one in the late 60s/early 70s when Abbie and Jerry were running around with their fists in the air and the Weathermen were just learning to blow themselves up. I kinda doubt it will happen now just because a few numb-nutted morons out in Portland took time out from bending each over to burn the flag and dance in the streets.

[Anthony91]

In the world we live in, anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if such an event did occur.

However, at this moment it's about as likely as discovering alien intelligent life on another planet.

I'm sorry to brake the news to you, but we found the Wookies on Mars.

[shocker1]

I told you guys the South would rise again. Just a matter of time.
The house up the street has some Napoleons in the yard.When the next Democrat moves on to the Ridge I will load some black powder and chittlins, together they will give the limpy left gimp some guts.p-)

[LaoSexMachine]

Take away the ability to eat for a few months; depression , biological attack, consumer fear, whatever. and you will see "diverst" go out the door and ,civil unrest... society is Fragile... look at Katrina..

Katrina happened when you have suck ****s in charged of an agency he's not qaulified for. Not anytime soon. US Civil War is an Anarchist wet dream.

[szr]

Reporting in.

I live in one of the most diverse cities in the nation and people get along.
Take away the ability to masturbate for a few months; toxic spore clouds, aliens, zombies, alien zombies, whatever. and you will see "du hast" go out the toilet and, super mario cart... society is Flaccid. Look at the "Aliens" movie franchise..

[/bryanleu2002]

[bryanleu2002]

So, all we need for civil war is for Katrina-like circumstances to hit dozens of major US cities.

I think we'll be fine, thanks for your concern.

Please...., Look at what these anarchist are doing. Its nice to live in our comfortable homes and say it cant happen to me..

These anarchist will start this kind of stuff. and thrive on it

Video>http://www.crimethinc.com/a/dvd/mini_hi.html

Source Anarchist website..http://www.crimethinc.com/main/news.html

[LaoSexMachine]

Please...., Look at what these anarchist are doing. Its nice to live in our comfortable homes and say it cant happen to me..

These anarchist will start this kind of stuff. and thrive on it

Video>http://www.crimethinc.com/a/dvd/mini_hi.html

Source Anarchist website..http://www.crimethinc.com/main/news.html


Puuuhhhllllleeeeas! Just bunch of bored kids.

[schwarz]

Please...., Look at what these anarchist are doing. Its nice to live in our comfortable homes and say it cant happen to me..

These anarchist will start this kind of stuff. and thrive on it

Video>http://www.crimethinc.com/a/dvd/mini_hi.html

Source Anarchist website..http://www.crimethinc.com/main/news.html


OK then I say bring it on you little zit faced punks.

[bryanleu2002]

ok ok ok ok ..........Not all at once Please, have some mercy..

:oops:

[Hunterhr]

Please...., Look at what these anarchist are doing. Its nice to live in our comfortable homes and say it cant happen to me..

These anarchist will start this kind of stuff. and thrive on it

Video>http://www.crimethinc.com/a/dvd/mini_hi.html

Source Anarchist website..http://www.crimethinc.com/main/news.html

Not being old enough to legally own weapons puts them at a real disadvantage.

[bryanleu2002]

Not being old enough to legally own weapons puts them at a real disadvantage.

If you read thier web site "stuff" I dont think they care about "Legal". they just do what they want. Hence "Anarchy"

Here is a promotion Id for the anarchist
http://www.crimethinc.com/downloads/preview/bullet.jpg

[schwarz]

If you read thier web site "stuff" I dont think they care about "Legal". they just do what they want. Hence "Anarchy"


Ill take my chances..do some reasearch on the Anarchists Cookbook, I dont think we have anything to worry about the dumbasses will blow themselves up first.

[LaoSexMachine]

If you read thier web site "stuff" I dont think they care about "Legal". they just do what they want. Hence "Anarchy"

Pfftt! Jack Bauer will give them the mother of all ***** twist and they will give up their buddies as fast as a virgin on prom night.

Here's mine

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/eh1656/100_0747.jpg

[shocker1]

It seems to me most outsiders do not understand Americans. This country is such a kalidiscope of difference that ethnic religious racial armed conflict ie. "civil war" will never happen. Most people get along fine here, even when economic down turns happen, or during times of racial strife. Our strenghth today comes from our unique ability to get along and have our fights but in the end we are together.

Regardless of the media stigma, race relations have never been better. Politics in America has just become entertainment of 24 hoour news. Yet we still have race baiters feeding off the old wounds, we always will. There is always somebody who feels like their cause needs to be in your face to prevent future issues. There is some logic to that but I think these people who do these things do not fool the Americans that matter.

What the World sees of our internal politics is just the two extreme choices. The reality is the local goverment is the machine of the peoples will. The Feds protect us, take my money, give me and local goverment more in services than I pay while making me feel used. Funny how we complain while we really want for nothing and live in a wonderful country unlike anywhere else.

[utopia]

Since when does smashing store windows and throwing rocks at riot cops mean we are on the verge of civil war?
The extreme left represent a rather small faction in the US, just as the extreme right does. Most of society just writes them off.

[gaijinsamurai]

In my opinion, these kids dressed in black love to "play anarchist", but when it really comes down to it, you will see very few back up their tough talk with action: and I'm not talking about spray-painting slogans on the Nike store or burning an effigy. These middle-class brats have got nothing on South Korean university students, Palestinian youth in the West Bank, or the insurgents we're fighting in Iraq.
I predict that in five years, you'll see 90% of these punks working typical American jobs and reminiscing about their "radical days".

[Rakki]

The only people in America with guns are basically Republicans and criminals. So I guess when the Civil War comes around we can count the Democrats out as player :)

[shocker1]

The only people in America with guns are basically Republicans and criminals. So I guess when the Civil War comes around we can count the Democrats out as player :)
They will send their aids out to the line and proclaim themselves as peacemakers with clean hands.

[LaoSexMachine]

The only people in America with guns are basically Republicans and criminals. So I guess when the Civil War comes around we can count the Democrats out as player :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Pinkpistols.gif

[JKD]

The only people in America with guns are basically Republicans and criminals. So I guess when the Civil War comes around we can count the Democrats out as player :)

Most of the democrats I know are gun owners.

[BloodyTalon]

I just saw this video on liveleak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38e_1174691271 and from what I've seen lately here in US; many Americans are being called anti-Americans, and many Americans concider themselves anti-Americans, ussualy during political discussions or arguements. And this not just between liberals and conservatives; reps and dems.
Many of you will brush off the notion of civil war, but to me this looks serious.
Something tells me you are not American, or have even been to this country for an extended period of time. In fact, I bet you have never met and American face-to-face and talked to him/her.

The political divide in this country has gotten pretty nasty, but is it at civil war levels? Hell no! We don't have states threatening to cede, riots on the scale of what went on in Paris a couple years back, people getting killed or driven out of their homes because of who they voted for during the election, etc. If there was a civil war brewing in the States, you'd know.

And even with the political divide in this country, it doesn't spill into other aspects of life. At the end of the day, us Americans peacefully coexist regardless of each other's race, creed, and political affiliations. Why? Because the majority of the people here don't let politics completely control how they act, and the people who do find themselves in a minority that is both small and insignificant.

edit: and if there is a civil war...I take pleasure in knowing that there is a vault in Berkeley filled with the overwhelming majority of firearms in that city and only the cops and Army ROTC has the keys. If the **** hits the fan, Telegraph Ave. will run red with the blood of idiots who tried to attack Hearst Gym. p-)

[Rakki]

Most of the democrats I know are gun owners.

Closet Republicans.

;)

[schwarz]

Closet Republicans.

;)

Or their like the people around here who live every aspect of their life like a republican yet vote yellow dog dem because they dont know any better and cant open their eyes.

[Limeyfellow]

Closet Republicans.

;)

Or perhaps there are plenty of pro gun democrats and there are plenty of morons who spread the Republicans are gunlovers message while introducing ban after ban on firearms rights. The Democrat party hasn't been mentioning firearms in their agenda in well over 10 years while new limiting laws have been talked about in every Republican government candidates since then. Its really complete and utter nonsense that either party care anymore about gunrights than what votes they can get and happy to vote one antigun president after another in as they have done for the past 60 years,

As for a civil war.

They didn't have a civil war in the 40s when senior businessmen and supporters were caught helping Germany and rounded up.

They didn't have civil war during the bring protests and rights movements of the 50s.

They didn't have civil war during the crackdown on gangs in the 60s and 70 with overwhelming military force.

I doubt severely they have one now. As long as you don't raise the taxers that is. A few civil disorder incidents and the odd guy shot up doesn't equal civil war.

[gaijinsamurai]

Yeah, I'm a gun-owning Democrat because I just don't understand how Bush is a great president, and can't understand how lying about weapons of mass destruction, putting incompetent fools like John Ashcroft and whoever that FEMA guy was in cabinet positions, nominating someone like Harriet Meyers (sp?) for the Supreme Court, bungling the Iraqi occupation and war on terror, spying on innocent Americans, letting the Christian nuts have free reign, and listening to people like Kenny Lay when it comes to energy policy, makes for sound leadership.

But, maybe some day I'll finally get it.

[JKD]

Or their like the people around here who live every aspect of their life like a republican yet vote yellow dog dem because they dont know any better and cant open their eyes.

Or neither of the two major parties are as monolithic as many make them out to be. There are pro gun democrats just as there are pro choice republicans, for example. I've mentioned before that my state has a democrat governor that was endorsed by the NRA over his republican challenger.

I don't think most people in this country are all that ideological. They may claim to be a democrat or a republican and vote that way but when it comes right down to it they're pretty moderate and don't look to the RNC or DNC for what they're opinions and beliefs are supposed to be on any given day.

[Rifleman]

As an old fart I will burst some bubbles here...

A true political devide is hard to find, sure the parties fight but it's all background music, but a civil war...ha! hell, people don't even litter anymore and your telling me we are on the brink. They would all call 911 and rat each other out anyway....wet cabbage!

[gaijinsamurai]

My local House Rep is a Democrat who has been against the White House on Gulf War I, the Iraq War, Iran-Contra, The Patriot Act, NAFTA (a Clinton-era pact), and just about everything else, but he's more pro-gun than John McCain or Rudy Guliani.

In fact, out of all the serious contenders for the White House at this point, the most solidly pro-2nd Amendment candidate might just be Bill Richardson of New Mexico.

[WKD]

Why would a bunch of self-promoting stupid little kids raging against the machine be considered enough of a faction to actually start a civil war? Who's been on the crack pipe? Where's mine?

I always get left out when there's a crack pipe around :(

[praetorian6]

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Yes, A Civil War raged by retarded kids. We are all terrified.


These tools are lucky there's not an all-season hunting permit on them as it is.

[Dronetek]

I dont think its out of the question. There seems to be some real divisions between Americans that I could see turing violent in the future.


EDIT: And its "Looming" not "glooming". :)

[gaijinsamurai]

A lot of us disagree on issues such as abortion, gun control, foreign policy, etc., but I think 90% of the population is really moderate in their views. I think that's one reason we see very few people voting for third parties in the US. Of course, we've got guys like Noam Chomsky and Zach De La Rocha on one extreme, and Pat Buchanan and Robert K. Brown on the other, but the vast majority of folks just want to be able to maintain our standard of living, feel secure, and have something to pass on to our next generation.
If you ask 100 Hispanics if they want to see "Aztlan" liberated, 99 will laugh in your face. Same with just about any group with a fringe element.

[NewsMan]

IF civil war were to break out... it would be a class war immediately following a huge market crash that will send a majority of Americans to the poor house whilst the top rich percent maintain their wealth. Just my guess.

[shocker1]

IF civil war were to break out... it would be a class war immediately following a huge market crash that will send a majority of Americans to the poor house whilst the top rich percent maintain their wealth. Just my guess.
That happened before, they even outlawed booze. No Civil War but there was alot of shootin.

[Beowulf]

I just saw this video on liveleak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38e_1174691271 and from what I've seen lately here in US; many Americans are being called anti-Americans, and many Americans concider themselves anti-Americans, ussualy during political discussions or arguements. And this not just between liberals and conservatives; reps and dems.
Many of you will brush off the notion of civil war, but to me this looks serious.

...bitch you cookin'?

[Macs.]

...bitch you cookin'?

Why do you hate America ?

I don't understand. I don't understand "die in a fire".

[Miles.]

I'm ready for the zombies.

[seraosha]

I'm ready for the zombies.

Right there with ya.
.22 rimfire and a nice high spot, big circle drawn around it.

These anarchy nerds...jeez.
Isn't this the same crap in a different package that went on in the early '80's?
When everyone hated Reagan and had their left ear pierced, had a garage converted to their room and argued about Sid vs Johnny?

[Hunterhr]

I'm ready for the zombies.

The zombies would eat all the anarchy nerds. Which would just be awesome.

[Hollis]

When J, Reno was Attorney General, she felt that re-inacting should be banned. She thought it supported Illegal Militia type groups. I thought about it, OK Viet-Nam re-inactors and WWII ones had tanks, Machine guns etc.. Ok, I could see the cause for concern.

But those were not the re-inactors she was concerned about, it was Civil War re-inactors. I thought to myself, "You got to be kidding, a bunch of fat old guy marching shoulder to shoulder with front stuffers going against a Abrams tank?"

It wasn't that, it was; Reno thought that the South would have a standing Army.

Ok, she had more of a point than author of this article.

[Robbee]

If that lame video makes you think civil war, would the Watts Riots be Armageddon?

[bryanleu2002]

When J, Reno was Attorney General, she felt that re-inacting should be banned. She thought it supported Illegal Militia type groups. I thought about it, OK Viet-Nam re-inactors and WWII ones had tanks, Machine guns etc.. Ok, I could see the cause for concern.

But those were not the re-inactors she was concerned about, it was Civil War re-inactors. I thought to myself, "You got to be kidding, a bunch of fat old guy marching shoulder to shoulder with front stuffers going against a Abrams tank?"

It wasn't that, it was; Reno thought that the South would have a standing Army.



Ok, she had more of a point than author of this article.

I dont think they are worried about re anactors now.

People with large amounts of baby formula and Levi jeans.

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[AZRON]

Heck if the U.S. was ****e to another civil war it missed it's chance in the era from 1962 until 1975.

Everything it seemed possible roared through society from anti-intergration groups and leaders to Black Power revolutionaries and Charles Manson trying to create Helter Skelter.

The riots following King's assassination were very widespread and deadly also.

Moving on in history the militias of the 80s dropped out of existance after the OKC bombing.

I'm truly surprised we haven't been hit with more Jihaddist attacks since 9/11 . I see no serious internal threats that would be as strong as the Weatherman or Black Panthers these days.

There is always the potential of onesy, twosy jerks such as McVeigh , The Unibomber or the D.C. snipers but not much beyond that.

[Xtoisè]

Yea topic should say "looming" not "glooming"

I didn't mean to use the video as the main example of unrest but to point out general state of US population, and not just anarchists. Sure, with current conditions war is unlikely, but if this solid sepration to pros and antis continues, then they will eventualy clash. Most of the army is pro-state, but many generals and high ranking officers have voiced out against Bush. Same with Capitol Hill and firing of attorneys, which basicaly says, " if you are not with us, then you are against us."

[Xtoisè]

...bitch you cookin'?

cooking? does it have something to do with anarchist's cook book? or you just hungry, bitch? foot in mouth good enough?

[Xtoisè]

Something tells me you are not American, or have even been to this country for an extended period of time. In fact, I bet you have never met and American face-to-face and talked to him/her.

The political divide in this country has gotten pretty nasty, but is it at civil war levels? Hell no! We don't have states threatening to cede, riots on the scale of what went on in Paris a couple years back, people getting killed or driven out of their homes because of who they voted for during the election, etc. If there was a civil war brewing in the States, you'd know.

And even with the political divide in this country, it doesn't spill into other aspects of life. At the end of the day, us Americans peacefully coexist regardless of each other's race, creed, and political affiliations. Why? Because the majority of the people here don't let politics completely control how they act, and the people who do find themselves in a minority that is both small and insignificant.

edit: and if there is a civil war...I take pleasure in knowing that there is a vault in Berkeley filled with the overwhelming majority of firearms in that city and only the cops and Army ROTC has the keys. If the **** hits the fan, Telegraph Ave. will run red with the blood of idiots who tried to attack Hearst Gym. p-)


I am not taking this out of the blue, it seems that you haven't met Americans who dont want to talk each other anymore after starting a freindly discussion of politics.

[TacoDelRio]

Oh crap, I'm profiled. Large cash purchases of booze and bullets. I just hope they don't know about my baby forumla.

I don't think any country is immune to civil war, but compared to what has happened here before in what were most likely more stressful conditions, a civil war ain't gonna happen.

Haha, Xtoise is "gonna get raped".

[PPSH41]

Yea topic should say "looming" not "glooming"

I didn't mean to use the video as the main example of unrest but to point out general state of US population, and not just anarchists. Sure, with current conditions war is unlikely, but if this solid sepration to pros and antis continues, then they will eventualy clash. Most of the army is pro-state, but many generals and high ranking officers have voiced out against Bush. Same with Capitol Hill and firing of attorneys, which basicaly says, " if you are not with us, then you are against us."

Dang, guess there should have been a civil war in the mid 90's when Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys. Basically administrations fire the past administrations attorneys and place ones in that will pursue their agenda. Been done this way for years. All those fired were Clinton appointees. The problem was with the way the attorney general explained and possibly lied about why/how the attorneys were fired, raising questions as to the intentions.

[shocker1]

Yea topic should say "looming" not "glooming"

I didn't mean to use the video as the main example of unrest but to point out general state of US population, and not just anarchists. Sure, with current conditions war is unlikely, but if this solid sepration to pros and antis continues, then they will eventualy clash. Most of the army is pro-state, but many generals and high ranking officers have voiced out against Bush. Same with Capitol Hill and firing of attorneys, which basicaly says, " if you are not with us, then you are against us."
My God that is the most nearsighted view of America I have seen. This pro anti stuff has been going on since 1776. This is not Eastern Europe, the military folks are as varied as Americans. You have no understanding of American culture nor the tolerance we have.For goodness sakes the closest we came to break down was during the 60's. Those times of black, white water fountains and hippies burning grass and flags never brought more than marches for change. No civil race war or civil war over war. Unlike some countries the military is not a political enforcer, when they try and take our weapons then you will see civil war.

This crap you are seeing on the **** tube is not what America is like and congress with it's fighting is not what Americans are doing. Katrina did not uncover a racial war brewing but it did show how people expect goverment to help wipe their ass. Firing US attorneys is something that happens every four years, sometimes they all get canned. There is no police state, no check points with automatic weapons, no bread lines, no burning tires or cars. Just people of every color, religion and birth living together in a jumble of color that is chaotic art.

[Xtoisè]

My God that is the most nearsighted view of America I have seen. This pro anti stuff has been going on since 1776. This is not Eastern Europe, the military folks are as varied as Americans. You have no understanding of American culture nor the tolerance we have.For goodness sakes the closest we came to break down was during the 60's. Those times of black, white water fountains and hippies burning grass and flags never brought more than marches for change. No civil race war or civil war over war. Unlike some countries the military is not a political enforcer, when they try and take our weapons then you will see civil war.

This crap you are seeing on the **** tube is not what America is like and congress with it's fighting is not what Americans are doing. Katrina did not uncover a racial war brewing but it did show how people expect goverment to help wipe their ass. Firing US attorneys is something that happens every four years, sometimes they all get canned. There is no police state, no check points with automatic weapons, no bread lines, no burning tires or cars. Just people of every color, religion and birth living together in a jumble of color that is chaotic art.


No there is no burning of cars, no police lines, but I look at things that happen before all that and make my conclusion.
So the coming end of times will have no effect on the stability of America? You have a split outlook on life; looks like your faith in god is just in your mind to keep you from having nightmares at night, and your outlook on real life is full of fate instead of realism.

[Xtoisè]

Dang, guess there should have been a civil war in the mid 90's when Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys. Basically administrations fire the past administrations attorneys and place ones in that will pursue their agenda. Been done this way for years. All those fired were Clinton appointees. The problem was with the way the attorney general explained and possibly lied about why/how the attorneys were fired, raising questions as to the intentions.

Never heard of it, but it doesnt sound as serious as the current firings.

[shocker1]

No there is no burning of cars, no police lines, but I look at things that happen before all that and make mike conclusion.
So the coming end of times will have no effect on the stability of America? You have a split outlook on life; looks like your faith in god is just in your mind to keep you from having nightmares at night, and your outlook on real life is full of fate instead of realism.
Oh now when the Lord comes back and evil reigns we will find that America is the Babylonian Whore filling the world with filth. America will still be here but as a state in a world system. But way to go insulting my belief by saying I use it as a cruch for my nightmares. To the contrary my faith says America is a filthy sinful place. Since free will reigns here civil war will not happen, but these end times you speak of are no nightmare to me. In fact I hope it is near.

[Xtoisè]

Oh now when the Lord comes back and evil reigns we will find that America is the Babylonian Hore filling the world with filth. America will still be here but as a state in a world systeradm. But way to go insulting my belief by saying I use it as a cruch for my nightmares. To the contrary my faith says America is a filthy sinful place. Since free will reigns here civil war will not happen, but these end times you speak of are no nightmare to me. In fact I hope it is near.

So America will be the babylonian whore, which if I remember corectly has to be banished or destroyed by god, and somehow peace and civility will be maintained during those times? Isnt it a contradictory statement?

[PPSH41]

Never heard of it, but it doesnt sound as serious as the current firings.



The U.S. attorneys, the chief federal law enforcement officials in their districts, typically are appointed to four-year terms by the president on the recommendation of state political leaders, but — like the attorney general and other Cabinet officers — they serve at the pleasure of the president and can be dismissed at any time.
When the party in power changes hands in the White House, it is expected that the new president will fire all the sitting U.S. attorneys, as was the case for both Ronald Reagan in 1981 and Bill Clinton in 1993. President Bush, unlike Clinton and Reagan, did not fire all the attorneys en masse when he took office in 2001, and allowed a few to continue in their positions for several months. All were replaced with his own selections early in his administration, however.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258425,00.html

There you go.

[shocker1]

So America will be the babylonian whore, which if I remember corectly has to be banished or destroyed by god, and somehow peace and civility will be maintained during those times? Isnt it a contradictory statement?
Nope we seperate church and state.p-) I know what you are saying and in that context every country on the planet will face that. I am not gonna debate religion with you again but I see how you think I contradict myself. Well that is somewhat true but I predict no end times for that could very well be thousands of years from now or today. So in my worldly picture of man and goverment America as it sits is not falling into civil war. When Jesus takes the Christians away then everyone here will be democrats so no civil war then either.:)

[AZRON]

Never heard of it, but it doesnt sound as serious as the current firings.

This is only serious in the eyes of D.C. pols who are mainly lawyers.

Lawyers don't want war. They want courtroom confrontations only.

It's hard for a lawyer to make Blood Money in a war , people die and property is destroyed. Can't sue the dead and there isn't much property value in a burned out city or not as much as before destruction.

As has been stated the '60s were ripe and it was avoided then.

In the '30s WWI vets marched on D.C. by the thousands and a clash occured but no war.

Also in the '30s skirmishes between unions , cops and companies happened regulary but no war , but deaths occured.

On the scale of 1 to 10 , I would rate the current situation a 2 at best.
With situations in 1962 , '64 and '68 being 7 , 8 or 9s.

Lookup Bobby Seal , Cinque , Elridge Cleaver(sp) , Lester Maddox and Ross Barnett .
Try groups like the SDS, KKK, Weathermen , Black Panthers and the John Birch Society.

The only general I'm aware of to rock the boat was Walker and he was cashiered and almost killed by Oswald before Oswald got JFK.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Many of you will brush off the notion of civil war, but to me this looks serious.

Well not to be insulting, but if based upon viewing the video, you think the "situation is serious" - I've got some swampland to sell you. The reality is that in the US, if you turn off the TV, the crisis du jour immediately disappears. We have no draft, and people are not being compelled to serve in the war. There is little racial strife. We have money, stuff, free time, health, fake ****s, fake teeth, and 500 channels on cable. The average American experiences nothing but prosperity, and excesses of food, leisure time, self-indulgence, and myriad expensive diversions to fill the time we once spent working. We're too busy obsessing about the frivolous and meaningless to work up any enthusiasm for fighting each other. We'd probably just pay somebody else to do it, and write it off our taxes.

[TacoDelRio]

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What he said.

TV = "Entertainment"

[shocker1]

I agree with 2sheds, my biggest worry right now is why my bass boat won't idle. It is not easy loading on the trailer when the engine only stays running on plane or half throttle.

[seraosha]

So the coming end of times will have no effect on the stability of America?

Dude, what are you talking about?
If that's what you are using as your cornerstone on "reality", you are going to be really disappointed.

Good luck with that zombie attack.
:roll:
Ride a bike, and a semi-auto rifle.

[Finlander]

I honestly believe USA will break up at some point, and become many different nations, But I also believe it will happen in a rather peaceful way... for example, Texas will become a sovereign nation at some point, California aswell... Florida will be annexed by Cuba, Alabama might become a state for the US muslims, run by Louis Farrakhan and nation of Islam, the native indians will get a couple of states like North Dakota? etc etc

What do you think?

[shocker1]

I honestly believe USA will break up at some point, and become many different nations, But I also believe it will happen in a rather peaceful way... for example, Texas will become a sovereign nation at some point, California aswell... Florida will be annexed by Cuba, Alabama might become a state for the US muslims, run by Louis Farrakhan and nation of Islam, the native indians will get a couple of states like North Dakota? etc etc

What do you think?
You should write a book and make a movie.
Alabama taken over by muslims of the Nation of Islam. Now that will cause civil war.:cantbeli:

[Finlander]

You should write a book and make a movie.
Alabama taken over by muslims of the Nation of Islam. Now that will cause civil war.:cantbeli:

Oh true, I forgot, it's a very christian state, baptist state... well, give them Michigan then... all white hicks will need a country of their own aswell, some will join Texas of course, and others will carve out a nation of the remaining states... Quebec breaks loose from Canada... Nevada, with it's capital Las Vegas will be the first new nation run entirely by organized crime families, of sicilian heritage, other ethnic american crime families are also welcome.

[BloodyTalon]

I honestly believe USA will break up at some point, and become many different nations, But I also believe it will happen in a rather peaceful way... for example, Texas will become a sovereign nation at some point, California aswell... Florida will be annexed by Cuba, Alabama might become a state for the US muslims, run by Louis Farrakhan and nation of Islam, the native indians will get a couple of states like North Dakota? etc etc

What do you think?
I honestly believe you should do better research on the United States before coming up with that idiotic crap.

[szr]

I honestly believe USA will break up at some point, and become many different nations

What do you think?
I don't see that happening in any of our lifetimes. If there's one thing that the last civil war established, it's that joining the Union is a one-way ride with no turning back. It's a lot like going to hell in that regard. :p

I see the US getting bigger before it ever gets smaller, and I don't see the US getting bigger in my lifetime.

Honestly, the only thing I could see sending the US into civil war is if the power of local and state government is diminished to the point where the Federal government more resembles a unitary government. I know that'd set me off. State, and especially local government are dear to me and I think dear to most Americans even if they don't know it or haven't thought about it. Even, then, that's not so much a civil war as a popular intervention.

[shocker1]

I honestly believe you should do better research on the United States before coming up with that idiotic crap.
True, but well placed in an idiotic thread. With posters who base their America on Gunsmoke and the Sapranos.

[Aerosoul]

True, but well placed in an idiotic thread. With posters who base their America on Gunsmoke and the Sapranos.

People tend to forget how big the US really is.
Idjits.

[Finlander]

I don't see that happening in any of our lifetimes. If there's one thing that the last civil war established, it's that joining the Union is a one-way ride with no turning back. It's a lot like going to hell in that regard. :p

I see the US getting bigger before it ever gets smaller, and I don't see the US getting bigger in my lifetime.

Honestly, the only thing I could see sending the US into civil war is if the power of local and state government is deminished to the point where the Federal government more resembles a unitary government. I know that'd set me off. State, and especially local government are dear to me and I think dear to most Americans even if they don't know it or haven't thought about it.

interesting indeed, but it's not impossible at all, just look how the world has changed just the last 150 years, borders change, land change owners etc... USA is not immune to changes. No nation is. :)

[shocker1]

interesting indeed, but it's not impossible at all, just look how the world has changed just the last 150 years, borders change, land change owners etc... USA is not immune to changes. No nation is. :)
True but for example here in Georgia I can not by beer on Sundays. I can cross the border into Tennessee and buy beer for fishin. That way if one State does something stupid I can cross a border. On a serious note as SZR said when local/state goverment is no longer relavent then we have a major problem and we could very well see violence on a scale like a civil war. However taxes and votes will never let that happen. Unless they mess with our weapons then it is on.

[Ordie]

I honestly believe USA will break up at some point, and become many different nations, But I also believe it will happen in a rather peaceful way... for example, Texas will become a sovereign nation at some point, California aswell... Florida will be annexed by Cuba, Alabama might become a state for the US muslims, run by Louis Farrakhan and nation of Islam, the native indians will get a couple of states like North Dakota? etc etc

What do you think?

What are you smoking???

The fact of the matter is the United States is more homogenous and economically integrated than ever before. The average American has moved across state lines more than five times in thier lifetime. If you go to any airport in the US it is filled with domestic travelers conducting business or visiting friends and families in other states.

As Shocker 1 has demonstrated with his Sunday beer purchase, state lines are arbitrary artificial political boundaries. With no relevance to the realities of economic and social movements.

Culturally we are being morphed. Thanks to the media, regional dialects are fast dissappearing. We listen to the same music, we watch the same programs. We shop at COSTCO, have national cell phone coverage and eat at McDonalds.

In essence we are a United State of America.

Another civil war is a delusional idea for fringe nutcases who's wish is to create and impose thier twisted agenda. Forgetting that there's more that binds us together than divide us.

As for states seeking independence, they should start asking who's going to pay social security, medicaid, highways, education, defence etc....

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I agree with 2sheds, my biggest worry right now is why my bass boat won't idle. It is not easy loading on the trailer when the engine only stays running on plane or half throttle.

Well see, here's where you've gone wrong - you need to blame somebody for it not idling. I'd normally go with the Jews, see, but in this case you should take up arms against the environmentalists who have obviously sabotaged you.

[Belrick]

Katrina happened when you have suck ****s in charged of an agency he's not qaulified for. Not anytime soon. US Civil War is an Anarchist wet dream.

Do you have any clue as to the efforts the authorities went to prior to Katrina? I do and i for one am bloody impressed.

So a bunch of civilians got stranded and left to there own devices for a few days, that somehow excuses them resorting to being a pack of anarchistic chimpanzees?
Why didn't the same thing occur post 2004 tsunami?

[Roanoke]

A Civil War? Are you super serial?

I mean serious.

[shocker1]

Well see, here's where you've gone wrong - you need to blame somebody for it not idling. I'd normally go with the Jews, see, but in this case you should take up arms against the environmentalists who have obviously sabotaged you.
Since my mama is a Jew I doubt the Zionists even pay me any mind. You are correct though, it is the tree huggers fault. Adding ethanol to summer fuel is hell on my 2 stroke 225hp V6 boat engine. Alcohol fuel creates moisture in the crank case and cools down the intake temp making it run to rich fouling my plugs.

[Hollis]

Well see, here's where you've gone wrong - you need to blame somebody for it not idling. I'd normally go with the Jews, see, but in this case you should take up arms against the environmentalists who have obviously sabotaged you.


There could be Jooish environmentalists. Zionist Tree hungers of the world unite, you have nothing to loose except Guilt.

[dangerclose]

I don't see any circumstance that could bring about the next US Civil War.


Commander in Chief
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[shocker1]

I don't see any circumstance that could bring about the next US Civil War.


Commander in Chief
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To Arms! To Arms! I say! Armies of angry lesbians and code pinkers are coming.

[dangerclose]

To Arms! To Arms! I say! Armies of angry lesbians and code pinkers are coming.


It takes a village.

[annihilation]

The only civil war I can see coming is between the red socks and the yankees as baseball just started. Trapped in CT, I can feel the hatred in the air...

[Hollis]

The only civil war I can see coming is between the red socks and the yankees as baseball just started. Trapped in CT, I can feel the hatred in the air...


No kidding, In Oregon it would be OSU Vs UofO.

[shocker1]

One other thing to note. When most American' more so eastern Americans hear the term Civil War it means something big to us. Civil War has a meaning that is heart felt. As the history of thousands of our forefathers killing each other in rows is all around us. Monuments, family tales and the land keep that horrible time real thus making us remember what all those who came before died for. That in itself would make true Americans stick together in the worst of times. That confidence of self also makes our infighting seem dangerous to outsiders. When what they should see is compromise from difference and strength in adversity, that is America.

[annihilation]

One other thing to note. When most American' more so eastern Americans hear the term Civil War it means something big to us. Civil War has a meaning that is heart felt. As the history of thousands of our forefathers killing each other in rows is all around us. Monuments, family tales and the land keep that horrible time real thus making us remember what all those who came before died for. That in itself would make true Americans stick together in the worst of times. That confidence of self also makes our infighting seem dangerous to outsiders. When what they should see is compromise from difference and strength in adversity, that is America.

One big dysfunctional family.....rather have them fight each other then all focus on you

[Xtoisè]

Nope we seperate church and state.p-) I know what you are saying and in that context every country on the planet will face that. I am not gonna debate religion with you again but I see how you think I contradict myself. Well that is somewhat true but I predict no end times for that could very well be thousands of years from now or today. So in my worldly picture of man and goverment America as it sits is not falling into civil war. When Jesus takes the Christians away then everyone here will be democrats so no civil war then either.:)


So I was right about your dual mentality, and you dont really take religion or god seriously. In your words, when end of days comes (not in a thousand of years, but near future as you said earlier), he/god will say, "Ok dudes, the end of days only applies to religious people, and since most of governments are not religious we will have to cut on some things prophesized in the bible and have end of days only among those who belived in it". I tried to make sense out of it while writing, but it's impossible. Once again I debunk your faith.

[Xtoisè]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258425,00.html

There you go.


Thx ppsh, ill take a look it.

[Xtoisè]

This is only serious in the eyes of D.C. pols who are mainly lawyers.

Lawyers don't want war. They want courtroom confrontations only.

It's hard for a lawyer to make Blood Money in a war , people die and property is destroyed. Can't sue the dead and there isn't much property value in a burned out city or not as much as before destruction.

As has been stated the '60s were ripe and it was avoided then.

In the '30s WWI vets marched on D.C. by the thousands and a clash occured but no war.

Also in the '30s skirmishes between unions , cops and companies happened regulary but no war , but deaths occured.

On the scale of 1 to 10 , I would rate the current situation a 2 at best.
With situations in 1962 , '64 and '68 being 7 , 8 or 9s.

Lookup Bobby Seal , Cinque , Elridge Cleaver(sp) , Lester Maddox and Ross Barnett .
Try groups like the SDS, KKK, Weathermen , Black Panthers and the John Birch Society.

The only general I'm aware of to rock the boat was Walker and he was cashiered and almost killed by Oswald before Oswald got JFK.

Yea true but these are mostly differences between factions, today's dissagreements are mainly about how the country should be ran in general, which is a bigger issue.

[LaoSexMachine]

So I was right about your dual mentality, and you dont really take religion or god seriously. In your words, when end of days comes (not in a thousand of years, but near future as you said earlier), he/god will say, "Ok dudes, the end of days only applies to religious people, and since most of governments are not religious we will have to cut on some things prophesized in the bible and have end of days only among those who belived in it". I tried to make sense out of it while writing, but it's impossible. Once again I debunk your faith.

Son, you must have been eatin' retard sandwiches, Hate to bust your bubble. Live in America first and see if it will ever happen. Don't be stupid and think 300 million people will some how let that happened.

[shocker1]

So I was right about your dual mentality, and you dont really take religion or god seriously. In your words, when end of days comes (not in a thousand of years, but near future as you said earlier), he/god will say, "Ok dudes, the end of days only applies to religious people, and since most of governments are not religious we will have to cut on some things prophesized in the bible and have end of days only among those who belived in it". I tried to make sense out of it while writing, but it's impossible. Once again I debunk your faith.
Once again you have step on my toes. I believe in my God as well as the Greatnesss of my Country. Your just a jerk trying to down someones religion in a thread about a so called American Civil War. So with my best hypocritical voice, take your load and shove it wher the sun don't shine.

[Xtoisè]

Well not to be insulting, but if based upon viewing the video, you think the "situation is serious" - I've got some swampland to sell you. The reality is that in the US, if you turn off the TV, the crisis du jour immediately disappears. We have no draft, and people are not being compelled to serve in the war. There is little racial strife. We have money, stuff, free time, health, fake ****s, fake teeth, and 500 channels on cable. The average American experiences nothing but prosperity, and excesses of food, leisure time, self-indulgence, and myriad expensive diversions to fill the time we once spent working. We're too busy obsessing about the frivolous and meaningless to work up any enthusiasm for fighting each other. We'd probably just pay somebody else to do it, and write it off our taxes.

Once again, I didnt base my point after watching the video, read what i said earlier, video only prompted me take this point of view into public.
I agree that while prosperity is there, chances of a war are very slim, but what if current economy slow-down, today's house market slump, and other world market issues (same signs which apeared before great depression) with further advancement create market depression?

[Xtoisè]

Son, you must have been eatin' retard sandwiches, Hate to bust your bubble. Live in America first and see if it will ever happen. Don't be stupid and think 300 million people will some how let that happened.

This is between me and Shocker, i dont personaly believe in that.

[LaoSexMachine]

This is between me and Hollis, i dont personaly believe in that.

Fvck it. I don't give a shat. I live in America and you shatting out of you suck about something you don't know of which I live qualifies me to post here.

[Xtoisè]

Once again you have step on my toes. I believe in my God as well as the Greatnesss of my Country. Your just a jerk trying to down someones religion in a thread about a so called American Civil War. So with my best hypocritical voice, take your load and shove it wher the sun don't shine.

But why do you get angry? You post controversial points of view and separate religion and reality in to two different worlds, i didnt say anything wrong, I am just trying to make you see your own rationality. If you believe that church and state should be separate then you dont realy belive in god becuase god is infinite as you said it your self.

[Xtoisè]

Fvck it. I don't give a shat. I live in America and you shatting out of you suck about something you don't know of which I live qualifies me to post here.
Ezeikiel, beer good eh?

[LaoSexMachine]

Ezeikiel, beer good eh?

Eh? I aint effing Canadian. What the fvck you know about America?

[shocker1]

But why do you get angry? You post controversial points of view and separate religion and reality in to two different worlds, i didnt say anything wrong, I am just trying to make you see your own rationality. If you believe that church and state should be separate then you dont realy belive in god becuase god is infinite as you said it your self.
Bud back off on telling me what I believe in. I am so sick of you highminded religion bashers.

[Xtoisè]

Bud back off on telling me what I believe in. I am so sick of you highminded religion bashers.

Ill back off, but I wonder how many religious people think like you, the duality of having faith in god and ignoring him in serious issues of the real world.

[Xtoisè]

Eh? I aint effing Canadian. What the fvck you know about America?

eh mate, eh.

[JKD]

....nevermind

[JKD]

Once again, I didnt base my point after watching the video, read what i said earlier, video only prompted me take this point of view into public.
I agree that while prosperity is there, chances of a war are very slim, but what if current economy slow-down, today's house market slump, and other world market issues (same signs which apeared before great depression) with further advancement create market depression?

We've already had a depression. Didn't cause a civil war.

[schwarz]

I don't see any circumstance that could bring about the next US Civil War.


Commander in Chief
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No ****, that would cause some(me included) to take some action.

That and if WV ever plays VT again.

[remo williams]

If anything I see a cause for civil unrest between the have's and have not's. As the income gap grows along with the number of persons affected adversely by it, you'd see an increase in the number of petty crimes, thefts, frauds, etc. Resulting in an increase in arrests, incarcerations etc. Add in an aggrivated corruption factor, along with some high profile chicanery, and voila. I'm sure it wouldn't be just that alone, but eventually I see people getting tired of struggling and deciding to resort to crime , while a few live well off the many. I think it'd take an asteroid hit of the higest order ,or some sort of global destabalization and some Red Dawn shyte, to take it to a level seen during the Civil War. I do see more of one in a legal sense. Fought in the court room's by lawyers for us against various corporations, Govt' agencies, politicians, and those who've been getting a free ride for head at the country's expense.

[Ordie]

If anything I see a cause for civil unrest between the have's and have not's. As the income gap grows along with the number of persons affected adversely by it, you'd see an increase in the number of petty crimes, thefts, frauds, etc. Resulting in an increase in arrests, incarcerations etc. Add in an aggrivated corruption factor, along with some high profile chicanery, and voila. I'm sure it wouldn't be just that alone, but eventually I see people getting tired of struggling and deciding to resort to crime , while a few live well off the many. I think it'd take an asteroid hit of the higest order ,or some sort of global destabalization and some Red Dawn shyte, to take it to a level seen during the Civil War. I do see more of one in a legal sense. Fought in the court room's by lawyers for us against various corporations, Govt' agencies, politicians, and those who've been getting a free ride for head at the country's expense.

You should read Marx's Das Capital.

[Partial_Panel]

No kidding, In Oregon it would be OSU Vs UofO.

Anytime, Baby!
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[Durandal]

"There is nothing better than running with a group of 200 people ALL wearing black"

Ahhhh, conformity.

Anarchists of the world...UNITE! rofl

[California Joe]

Internet anarchists may even be more retarded than OMFGDelta ninja wannabees.

I'm real close to instituting a Night of the Long Knives and bouncing everyone on this goddamned board that runs their suck about things they no nothing about. Although the membership would be cut in half.

Starting with Xtoise.

[playtym]

Internet anarchists may even be more retarded than OMFGDelta ninja wannabees.

I'm real close to instituting a Night of the Long Knives and bouncing everyone on this goddamned board that runs their suck about things they no nothing about. Although the membership would be cut in half.

Starting with Xtoise.

Please don't mention the term "Night of the Long Knives." You'll have every white South African either hiding under the table or packing their car for Heilbron. rofl


Oh, and could a mod please fix the title? I hate to be all "doom and gloom", but I don't think 'glooming' is an actual word. It should probably be 'looming.'

[Macs.]

Internet anarchists may even be more retarded than OMFGDelta ninja wannabees.

I'm real close to instituting a Night of the Long Knives and bouncing everyone on this goddamned board that runs their suck about things they no nothing about. Although the membership would be cut in half.

Starting with Xtoise.

You can't stand the truth.

[Durandal]

I'm real close to instituting a Night of the Long Knives and bouncing everyone...that runs their suck about things they no nothing about.

Oh, that's a classic gem Joe...

[Xtoisè]

Internet anarchists may even be more retarded than OMFGDelta ninja wannabees.

I'm real close to instituting a Night of the Long Knives and bouncing everyone on this goddamned board that runs their suck about things they no nothing about. Although the membership would be cut in half.

Starting with Xtoise.

Come on. I am not proposing to start a civil war, I am only questioning the posibility of it happening.

Responces led me to believe that if judging by past events, war won't happen. It is also widely believed that today's events are leading us to catastrophic events and anything can happen.

[Xtoisè]

You can't stand the truth.
Not the truth, but controversial opinions.

[Hollis]

Come on. I am not proposing to start a civil war, I am only questioning the posibility of it happening.

.


About as possible as being invaded by Radiated Mutants from Pluto. The US is too homogeneous.

[seraosha]

I miss "glooming".

Seemed appropriate.

[Beowulf]

Are you retards still talking about this?

As many have already said, it's not gonna happen. Not without very dramatic changes or ridiculous scenarios. This is the intellectual equivalent of "what if" comics and "choose your own adventure books"

locked.