Nancy Pelosi

[FutureMcDonaldsEmployee]

what does everyone think of her?

[PPSH41]

I disagree with her on just about everything. Shes about as far left as they come and a hipocrit like all the rest. For some reason she thinks she needs her own personal Boing 747 to shuttle her around at $300,000 per trip at the taxpayers (and enviroment's) expense. I thought she was "green" and in the "party of the people" and all that dribble...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02082007/postopinion/editorials/nancy_pelosi__carbon_criminal_editorials_.htm

[PPSH41]

Pelosi leader of 'Progressive Caucus'
Dems' likely top House official part of powerful, socialist-linked bloc

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the likely new minority leader in the House of Representatives, serves on the executive committee of the socialist-leaning Progressive Caucus, a bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in the lower chamber.

Until 1999, the website of the Progressive Caucus was hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.dsausa.org/). Following an expose of the link between the two organizations in WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14542), the Progressive Caucus established its own website under the auspices of Congress (http://www.bernie.house.gov/pc/). Another officer of the Progressive Caucus, and one of its guiding lights, is avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent.
The Democratic Socialists of America's chief organizing goal is to work within the Democratic Party and remove the stigma attached to "socialism" in the eyes of most Americans.
"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an organizing document of the DSA. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals."
Nevertheless, the goal of the Democratic Socialists of America has never been deeply hidden. Prior to the cleanup of its website in 1999, the DSA included a song list featuring "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of communism and socialism. Another song on the site was "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin." The lyrics went: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..." Another song removed after WorldNetDaily's expose was "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" The lyrics went: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."
In the last three years, the Progressive Caucus has been careful to moderate its image for mainstream consumption.
"The members of the Progressive Caucus share a common belief in the principles of social and economic justice, non-discrimination and tolerance in America and in our relationships with other countries," the group's statement of purpose explains.
Most of the members of the Progressive Caucus, including Pelosi, opposed authorizing the war on Iraq. In fact, most Democrats in the House opposed the war resolution. House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt and 81 other House Democrats supported the move.
"I have seen no evidence or intelligence that suggests that Iraq indeed poses an imminent threat to our nation." Pelosi said in voting against the resolution. "If the administration has that information, they have not shared it with the Congress."
The latest issue of the liberal New Republic bemoans Pelosi's ascendancy to top leadership in her party because of her extreme left positions, calling the Democrat's position "dangerous."
"The ideological vacuum atop the post-Sept. 11 Democratic Party will inevitably be filled," the New Republic said in its trademark TRB column. "And, if it is filled by Nancy Pelosi and Dennis Kucinich, the United States will no longer be a 50-50 nation; it will be a 40-60 nation for a generation."
Pelosi, 62, last year was elected by her Democratic colleagues to be the House Democratic Whip – making her the highest-ranking woman in the U.S. Congress even before her expected rise to the role of House minority leader. She also serves on the House Intelligence Committee.
Pelosi represents a liberal congressional district, taking in most of San Francisco. Her votes against the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq and in support of such domestic initiatives as needle exchange programs for AIDS sufferers may not be far out of step with her district constituency. But some suggest the nation's pulse may be another matter.
Pelosi was 47 before she won her first election, after raising five children with her businessman husband, Paul. But she has been involved in politics all her life. Her father was a New Deal congressman from Maryland and later the mayor of Baltimore. Her brother also served as Baltimore's mayor. She was hand-picked to run for Congress by the dying Rep. Sala Burton, whose seat Pelosi won in a special election in 1987.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29612

an older story but interesting nonetheless

[Ordie]

Excellent politician in the spirit of Senator Lyndon B. Johnson.
Whether you like her or not. She's able to get the votes. (She keeps a favor book) She will support you, but heaven forbid if you don't return the favor.

In her own District she's mainstream conservative. Ironically she's a poster child for "Family Values". Straight, Roman Catholic, married - never divorced, mother of five, and grandmother of six.

Moreover she's at odd's with her constituency over civil unions (Gay Community), relations with the PRC (Chinatown), and funding for Iraq (Mission/Valencia District Progressives).

That's nothing.

Rep.Tom Lantos, her colleague who represents the rest of San Francisco is considered as a reactionary right wing hawk.

[Robbee]

Nancy in '62.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7482/nancy1962trinityyearboohf7.jpg

[Martial]

She's got huge ****.

[Hollis]

She's got huge ****.


Yeah that is what CJ said among with THE FOLLOWING REMARK HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE CENSOR AS not suitable for any person of any age.

[helomech]

She's got huge ****.

I couldn't said it better myself...oh,and I'd hit it!

[California Joe]

I could make a Nancy Pelosi fans "Sticky" thread, but that would be redundant at this point....sticky, I crack me up. p-)

[helomech]

I could make a Nancy Pelosi fans "Sticky" thread, but that would be redundant at this point....sticky, I crack me up. p-)

gooey.......

[jasonblaster]

Lost in wonderland

[demotivater]

I couldn't said it better myself...oh,and I'd hit it!

Oh she's hot alright...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/288586.jpg


*shudders*
:cantbeli:

[Martial]

I could make a Nancy Pelosi fans "Sticky" thread, but that would be redundant at this point....sticky, I crack me up. p-)

Oh, I'm no fan of Pelosi. Don't get me wrong. I just noticed her enormous pleasure zeppelins a while back.

[Robbee]

Oh, I'm no fan of Pelosi. Don't get me wrong. I just noticed her enormous pleasure zeppelins a while back.

I guess if you're into 67 year old women...:roll:
She wasn't too hard on the eyes back in college, though.

[hist2004]

Pratfall in Damascus

Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy

Thursday, April 5, 2007

HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad. After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.

Ms. Pelosi was criticized by President Bush for visiting Damascus at a time when the administration -- rightly or wrongly -- has frozen high-level contacts with Syria. Mr. Bush said that thanks to the speaker's freelancing Mr. Assad was getting mixed messages from the United States. Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president. Two weeks ago Ms. Pelosi rammed legislation through the House of Representatives that would strip Mr. Bush of his authority as commander in chief to manage troop movements in Iraq. Now she is attempting to introduce a new Middle East policy that directly conflicts with that of the president. We have found much to criticize in Mr. Bush's military strategy and regional diplomacy. But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.

Source: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402306.html)

Hist2004

[Hollis]

No kidding, Assad was just wanting to check those bodacious TaTas, out for him self. Rumor has it, several of Assad wives are getting implants.

[Firetxmi]

When the current administration isn't much for diplomacy, someone has to try it sometime!

[Martial]

When the current administration isn't much for diplomacy, someone has to try it sometime!

She is a lawmaker. What is she doing hijacking US foriegn policy?

[Dasein]

Members of Congress have regularly been involved in foreign policy, and it's not unusual for them to travel abroad and meet with foreign leaders.

[Hollis]

There is a report She made some mistakes, Such as the message from Israel was wrong.

[hist2004]

Go back a page, I just posted that Pelosi delivered a msg
that wasn't supported by Olmert.

Hist2004

[Firetxmi]

Go back a page, I just posted that Pelosi delivered a msg
that wasn't supported by Olmert.

Hist2004

Similar to this?


But Britain's delicate diplomatic efforts were set back by U.S. President George W. Bush, who made a statement Saturday in which he characterized the imprisoned sailors as “hostages” — a phrase that Britain has been carefully avoiding to prevent the crisis from becoming a broader political or military conflict.

“The British hostages issue is a serious issue because the Iranians took these people out of Iraqi waters, and it's inexcusable behaviour,” Mr. Bush said in response to a reporter's question during a press conference at the Camp David retreat.

He had reportedly promised not to raise the issue of the sailors, as British officials worry that the entry of the United States into this crisis could cause it to escalate into an irreconcilable confrontation.

Other U.S. officials have been even less amenable to the British approach. John Bolton, who until recently was Mr. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, has appeared on British TV describing the British approach as “pathetic.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070402.wiran02/EmailBNStory/International/

[noname]

Members of Congress have regularly been involved in foreign policy, and it's not unusual for them to travel abroad and meet with foreign leaders.


Yep. And it is not unusual that their efforts are strictly in vain. Just like this new-fangled fem speaker. She is just getting face time in an ill-contrived effort that I'm sure even she knows is pointless when it comes to actual progress.:)

[hist2004]

Mr. Bush stressed that the United States would not turn over Iranian officials it had arrested in Iraq earlier this year on accusations that they were supporting insurgents, saying he supported Prime Minister Tony Blair's view that “there were no quid pro quos. The Iranians must give back the hostages. They're innocent, they were doing nothing, and they were summarily plucked out of water.”
But British officials say that a prisoner exchange has never been offered or suggested by Iran, and that Mr. Bush's words could cause harm by putting the Iranians in a position from which they cannot back down if it becomes a major confrontation with their long-time enemy, the United States.

Speaking in that context, Pres. Bush made it clear it wouldn't be part
of the negotiation;the Brits said a prisoner exchange has never been
offered (pubicly anyway).

Hist2004

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Members of Congress have regularly been involved in foreign policy, and it's not unusual for them to travel abroad and meet with foreign leaders.

It is when that nation is a declared enemy of the US and we list it as a state sponsor of terror. She has no authority to make deals, offer concessions, make demands, or dictate policy on behalf of this nation. This must be part of that new bipartisanship she's been talking about - the press just interpreted it wrong. They assumed that she was talking about working closely and making deals with Republicans.

[helomech]

Oh, I'm no fan of Pelosi. Don't get me wrong. I just noticed her enormous pleasure zeppelins a while back.

Pleasure zepplins....rofl

[MPNFL]

It is when that nation is a declared enemy of the US and we list it as a state sponsor of terror. She has no authority to make deals, offer concessions, make demands, or dictate policy on behalf of this nation. This must be part of that new bipartisanship she's been talking about - the press just interpreted it wrong. They assumed that she was talking about working closely and making deals with Republicans.

i guess this is her way of forcing the issue of promoting the Democratic agenda

[Mr. JOSHUA]

i guess this is her way of forcing the issue of promoting the Democratic agenda


I think its more along the lines of trying to grab more points on her image.

Even if her intentions were pure and sincere, you can't have political opponents going around the executors of certain nations without any kind of authority on foreign policy.

Bottom line, she doesn't make foreign policy and should not be trying to make foreign policy just to one-up Bush.

[Firetxmi]

Republican lawmaker meets Syria's Assad

21 minutes ago

President Bashar al-Assad met a Republican member of the U.S. Congress on Thursday, a day after Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) ended a visit to Syria that was criticized by the White House.

The official news agency said the meeting between Assad and Darrell Issa (news, bio, voting record), a member of the House Committee on Intelligence, discussed ways to improve relations between Washington and Damascus.

"It is difficult to isolate Syria which is pivotal to finding solutions to all issues in the region," the Syrian agency quoted Assad as saying. Issa, who is of Lebanese descent, also met Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem.

More than a dozen U.S. lawmakers have visited Damascus in the last four months and met Assad after the Iraq Study Group recommended to Republican President George W. Bush engaging with Damascus and Iran to help stabilize Iraq.

Pelosi urged Assad on Wednesday to end alleged Syrian support to rebels in Iraq and to use its influence with the Palestinian group Hamas.

Pelosi said holding a dialogue with the secular Syrian leader, whom the Bush administration has been trying to isolate, was in the U.S. interests.

The United States imposed sanctions on Syria in 2004, mainly for its support for Lebanon's Hezbollah and Hamas. Syria says the two groups are legitimate movements with broad domestic support resisting Israeli occupation.

Relations between Damascus and Washington further worsened after the 2005 assassination of former Lebanese premier Rafik al-Hariri in Beirut. A United Nations inquiry implicated Lebanese and Syrian security officials in the assassination.

Damascus denies involvement.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070405/pl_nm/syria_usa_congressman_dc

[shocker1]

Republican lawmaker meets Syria's Assad Without a voted on mandate or a mandate from the State Dept neither Pelosi nor any Republican is a Rep for everyone in America. Posting an equally wrong Republican does not make Mrs Speaker right.



Pelosi said holding a dialogue with the secular Syrian leader, whom the Bush administration has been trying to isolate, was in the U.S. interests.

I am sorry but this partisan bull**** stays on this side of the border. Going against any President while acting as State and Rep of all of America is dangerous and could effect the next President. She is not of my district, I did not vote for or against her. I will be just as disqusted wth a Republican speaker making their own foreign policy letting the world know the speaker is now the head of the State Dept. This is wrong no matter how you slice it, she has no business getting in the middle of Israel and Syria either.

[Firetxmi]

Without a voted on mandate or a mandate from the State Dept neither Pelosi nor any Republican is a Rep for everyone in America. Posting an equally wrong Republican does not make Mrs Speaker right.


I understand that. I posted it to show that comments, from other members, like I have posted below are not so true.


This must be part of that new bipartisanship she's been talking about - the press just interpreted it wrong. They assumed that she was talking about working closely and making deals with Republicans.


i guess this is her way of forcing the issue of promoting the Democratic agenda

[Martial]

The meeting probably went something like this.


PELOSI: "Mr. Assad, please end Syrian support to rebels in Iraq and use your influence with the Palestinian group Hamas."

ASSAD: "I have no idea what you are talking about." *Looks down her shirt*

[shocker1]

I understand that. I posted it to show that comments like I have posted below are not so true.
Agreed, Lets say Mrs Clinton is elected God Forbid.:cantbeli: Then she restores relations with Iran or some other nut case regime. If some Republican retard gets in her way even though I do not support anything in her knoggin. I will stand up for her powers of foreign policy too. We must have a clear stand, right or wrong. Without that we will never be able to conduct proper negotiations with anyone.

[Ordie]

I will be just as disqusted wth a Republican speaker making their own foreign policy letting the world know the speaker is now the head of the State Dept. This is wrong no matter how you slice it, she has no business getting in the middle of Israel and Syria either.

Republicans go on Junkets with Syrians



Former Republican congressman sent to jail in bribes case

AP, WASHINGTON
Sunday, Jan 21, 2007, Page 7

A Republican former congressman was sentenced to two-and- a-half years in prison for trading political favors for golf trips, campaign donations and other gifts in an influence peddling scandal.
Representative Bob Ney, the first congressman convicted in the federal bribery investigation involving lawmakers, their aides and Bush administration officials, pleaded guilty in October to conspiracy and making false statements. Democrats last year campaigned against what they said was a Republican "culture of corruption" as they won control of both houses of Congress.
The six-term lawmaker, who once chaired the powerful House Administration Committee, accepted golf and gambling trips, tickets to sporting events, free meals and campaign donations arranged by lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his associates.
As committee chairman, Ney was instrumental in getting the chamber's cafeterias to change french fries on their menus to freedom fries to protest French opposition to the US-led war in Iraq.
"You violated a host of laws that you as a congressman are sworn to enforce and uphold," US District Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle said on Friday.
Ney will also serve two years probation and must pay a US$6,000 fine. Huvelle recommended he enter a prison alcohol rehabilitation program for treatment of a drinking problem Ney has spoken of in recent months. Completing the program could knock about a year off his sentence.
Huvelle did not set a date for Ney to report to prison. He resigned from Congress in November, just before the elections.
The sentence was harsher than recommended by prosecutors, Huvelle said, because Ney had violated the trust placed on him as a public official.
"Both your constituents and the public trusted you to represent them honestly," she said.
Ney apologized to his family and constituents during a brief statement.
"I will continue to take full responsibility, accept the consequences and battle the demons of addiction that are within me," he said.
Ney's election-year actions drew criticism from Republican congressional leaders and the White House. Bush spokesman Tony Snow said Ney's criminal activity "is not a reflection of the Republican Party."
The gifts Ney received ranged from a trip to Scotland bankrolled by some of Abramoff's clients to thousands of dollars in gambling chips that Ney got on two overseas junkets from foreign businessman Fouad al-Zayat, a Syrian-born aviation company owner in Cyprus.
Abramoff, once an influential lobbyist, is the star witness in an FBI corruption investigation that has shaken Congress. He is serving prison time for a fraudulent Florida casino deal. Ney's sentencing is the latest development in a long-running investigation that so far has yielded convictions of several former congressional aides and two members of the Bush administration -- David Safavian and Robert Stillwell.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Republicans go on Junkets with Syrians


The gifts Ney received ranged from a trip to Scotland bankrolled by some of Abramoff's clients to thousands of dollars in gambling chips that Ney got on two overseas junkets from foreign businessman Fouad al-Zayat, a Syrian-born aviation company owner in Cyprus.



<Gasp> Accepting gambling chips from a person born in Syria! That's practically the same thing as traveling to Syria to meet with Syria's government, because it has the word "Syria" in it. In other news, I control the world's banks, because my wife is Jewish.

[demotivater]

In other news, I control the world's banks, because my wife is Jewish.
Sweet!

.........

[shocker1]

Republicans go on Junkets with Syrians
I am sorry but your attempt at equalization falls flat. As Firetxmi pointed out there are Republicans that actually went to Syria to meet the goverment. That is wrong in my book too, as none are there on behalf of all Americans. Unless they were asked to go by the Dept of State or passed a mandate that all the Peoples Reps had a chance to vote on. If you guys would get off the partisan broken record. You may see the light, even Firetxmi agrees with me on this.

[Firetxmi]

even Firetxmi agrees with me on this.

Yes, yes, even crazy ol' Firetxmi! :D

[shocker1]

Yes, yes, even crazy ol' Firetxmi! :D Your not crazy, just leaning the wrong way.p-)

[SBL]

Speaker Pelosi drives me nuts, not because of her politics, but because she's so overtly disingenous and arrogant.

Not only is this latest trip to Syria was clownish and ill-concieved,imo, but it sets a dangerous precedent for future politics as Shocker said. People really ought to give pause and take a look at some of the people running things.

[California Joe]

Your not crazy, just leaning the wrong way.p-)

Are you saying he's a gay?

[shocker1]

Are you saying he's a gay?
No, but now that you mention it..... However I was refering to the left lean not the from behind lean. Or are you impling a state of happiness?

[Firetxmi]

You guys making fun of my peg leg? :lol:

[shocker1]

You guys making fun of my peg leg? :lol:
LOL, Peg Leg Mountian....

[alexz]

Why is she meeting with a person under investigation of murdering the PM
of a neighboring country? or give legitamacy to a dictatorship?

[shocker1]

Why is she meeting with a person under investigation of murdering the PM
of a neighboring country? or give legitamacy to a dictatorship?
Because it is what President Bush does not want her to do. Simple as that.

[Geezah]

Similar to this?



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070402.wiran02/EmailBNStory/International/

Why is it so hard for you Libs to stay on subject.

Pelosi is nothing more than speaker of the house(while she may be thrid in line to the Presidency), she is not in a position to go jet setting around the world at the tax payers expense, giving messages when she does not have the authority to do so.

Be it a Dem or a Republican, I do not agree with it and I'm somewhat annoyed at Dave Hobson for doing so.

Get over the partisan politics and see it for what it really is, a chance to undermine the current adminstration and play up to terrorist staes that threaten the free world!

[Firetxmi]

Why is it so hard for you Libs to stay on subject.

Pelosi is nothing more than speaker of the house(while she may be thrid in line to the Presidency), she is not in a position to go jet setting around the world at the tax payers expense, giving messages when she does not have the authority to do so.

Be it a Dem or a Republican, I do not agree with it and I'm somewhat annoyed at Dave Hobson for doing so.

Get over the partisan politics and see it for what it really is, a chance to undermine the current adminstration and play up to terrorist staes that threaten the free world!

So a speaker messing up the process, bad. President messing up the process, ok?

[Geezah]

So a speaker messing up the process, bad. President messing up the process, ok?

I will ask you again, why is it so hard for you Libs to stay on subject?????!

[Firetxmi]

I will ask you again, why is it so hard for you Libs to stay on subject?????!

Making a comparison is not getting off topic. Why is it so hard for you (I will refrain from making generalizations) to understand that?

[NeedsABetterName]

So a speaker messing up the process, bad. President messing up the process, ok?

Something along the lines of the Speaker having no grounds to do what she's doing. As far as I know, the President meets with whoever the hell he/foriegn policy wants.

[PPSH41]

The government has entire departments devoted to foreign policy. Example: How effective do you think it would be to have an accountant come in and do the mechanical engineer's job?

Nancy Pelosi doesnt have much business going to Syria on foreign policy matters. Although I think the white house is making a bigger issue out of it than needs be, making a partisan issue out of it. Kind of stupid to tell her not to go but at the same time its ok for republicans to go.

[Geezah]

Making a comparison is not getting off topic. Why is it so hard for you (I will refrain from making generalizations) to understand that?

How can you make a comparison when there is nothing to compare??

I'm always amazed at how Libs try and compare like for like as the basis of their arguements.

Just in case you missed it the many times it has been mentioned Pelosi is in no position to go off galavanting around the World at the tax payers expense but you nothing wrong in it.

Here's a question you may be able to answer, what exactly does the Speaker of the House do?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Making a comparison is not getting off topic. Why is it so hard for you (I will refrain from making generalizations) to understand that?

Your comparison is invalid. We do not have two presidents, we have one. This nation has a system, and under that system, we form policies and procedures. One of those polices is that we speak with one voice, one policy. The person who gets to make and articulate that policy is the president. Our policy, like it or not, is what it is, and until such time as the president is removed from office, our politicians are not entitled to go around spending our money creating an alternate foreign policy - completely outside any legal framework, which undermines and contradicts the official foreign policy which we're are already spending money on. Pelosi has really stepped in it with this dimwitted stunt. That she would do this during a time of war, and with an avowed enemy of our people is beneath contempt - she and Jane Fonda should get together and swap recipes for disaster.

[Dakota435]

So a speaker messing up the process, bad. President messing up the process, ok?

Because the President is elected to mess up the process and it is his job, notwithstanding the fact that "messed up" is a political value judgment of yours and has no bearing on the basic argument.

[Dakota435]

The government has entire departments devoted to foreign policy. Example: How effective do you think it would be to have an accountant come in and do the mechanical engineer's job?

Nancy Pelosi doesnt have much business going to Syria on foreign policy matters. Although I think the white house is making a bigger issue out of it than needs be, making a partisan issue out of it. Kind of stupid to tell her not to go but at the same time its ok for republicans to go.

Pelosi highlights the question: aren't liberals just a teeeeeny bit conflicted about the fact that their representatives and policies bring spasms of joy to all the wrong people (terrorists, Iranians etc.)? This utterly clueless tone deafness is what is so striking about current Dem politics.

[shocker1]

So a speaker messing up the process, bad. President messing up the process, ok?

You are correct sir as only Mrs Speakers District had a say in her election. The President on the other hand was elected by votes ya or nay by everyone in America that voted. Big difference, It is wrong that once the Presidental election is over that the Dems or Republicans would undermine a Preident right out of the gate the next day. In order to gain election point for the next election in less than 2 years. Both parties do this and the Dems decided to do it while we are engaged in combat.

[IraGlacialis]

So isn't this just peachy? Pelosi goes to Syria, talks with a guy who does not have a good reputation in the international community, and most likely unintentionally aggravates the already tense situation over there.

She now earns a spot in the Rosie/Cindy/Anne/Laworkerbee/Firetxmi love scene (that is orchestrated by Macs).
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2373640&postcount=31

[shocker1]

So isn't this just peachy? Pelosi goes to Syria and most likely unintentionally aggravates the situation over there.

She now earns a spot in the Rosie/Cindy/Anne/Laworkerbee/Firetxmi love scene.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2373640&postcount=31
HAHAHA Broke back Butch Peg Leg Mountian.. Why you hatin on Laworkerbee? Don't be hatin on Firetxmi too much he is all right even though his lean is all wrong.p-)

[California Joe]

"Why can't I quit her!!!!!!"

[shocker1]

"Why can't I quit her!!!!!!"
Dude, look away from the cleavage and remember them panty hose hide many a spider vein. Focus on her grill and you see that cat in Alice in Wonderland. Problem solved.

[IraGlacialis]

HAHAHA Broke back Butch Peg Leg Mountian.. Why you hatin on Laworkerbee? Don't be hatin on Firetxmi too much he is all right even though his lean is all wrong.p-)
Hey, remember that they put themselves into the original scene (If you don't, here's something to jog your memory: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=107529&page=2&highlight=Coulter); there is just one extra person added. p-)
I'm sure that the 67-year-old "pleasure zeppelins" will keep them occupied.
And I added Macs because I am sure he would want to orchestrate the entire thing.

[loganinkosovo]

My Sainted Mother, who lives in the Bitch's District, calls her "Nasty" Pelosi.

Typical of Pelosi.....she was instrumental in passing the anti-prostitute legislation making it a prison term if anyone connected with the Military or DoD, including Contractors hire a Lady of Negotiable affection to stop the *** Slave industry.....completely ignoring the fact that she has more *** slaves per capital in her district than anywhere else in the world.....but she gets campaign contributions from her Slavers, of course!

[shocker1]

http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/home/cassandr/public_html/vcblog/archives/pelosi.jpg

[IraGlacialis]

Hmmm... so she will supplant Coulter's dominatrix position. Are you sure Anne will let that happen?

[Skutatos]

The difference between the republican visits and Pelosi's visit is that the republicans were there on a fact finding trip, which is pretty common. Pelosi on the other hand thinks she is setting foreign policy.

[Hollis]

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Now Assad, it is my turn to be on top.

[Skutatos]

I wonder if Pelosi's trip is at odd's with this law: "§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments. Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects. "

[Dakota435]

There must be SOME Dems who are embarrassed by this woman.


When a dilettante takes on Hizbullah
By Michael Young
Daily Star staff
Thursday, April 05, 2007

We can thank the US speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, for having informed Syrian President Bashar Assad, from Beirut, that "the road to solving Lebanon's problems passes through Damascus." Now, of course, all we need to do is remind Pelosi that the spirit and letter of successive United Nations Security Council resolutions, as well as Saudi and Egyptian efforts in recent weeks, have been destined to ensure precisely the opposite: that Syria end its meddling in Lebanese affairs.

Pelosi embarked on a fool's errand to Damascus this week, and among the issues she said she would raise with Assad - when she wasn't on the Lady Hester Stanhope tour in the capital of imprisoned dissidents Aref Dalila, Michel Kilo, and Anwar Bunni - is "the role of Syria in supporting Hamas and Hizbullah." What the speaker doesn't seem to have realized is that if Syria is made an obligatory passage in American efforts to address the Lebanese crisis, then Hizbullah will only gain. Once Assad is re-anointed gatekeeper in Lebanon, he will have no incentive to concede anything, least of all to dilettantes like Pelosi, on an organization that would be Syria's enforcer in Beirut if it could re-impose its hegemony over its smaller neighbor.

Inasmuch as it is possible to evoke sympathy in such cases, one can sympathize with Hizbullah. In 2000, the party lost much of its reason to exist as a military force when the Israelis withdrew from Southern Lebanon. The manufacturing of the Shebaa Farms pretext, thanks to the diligent efforts of Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, bought Hizbullah an extension, a handy fig leaf allowing it to keep its weapons. Last summer, however, the party's initiation of a war devastating to Lebanon, followed by its efforts to lead a coup against the majority, demolished any lingering cross-sectarian support that Hizbullah had enjoyed.

Hizbullah's weapons are no longer regarded as weapons of resistance by most Lebanese, but as weapons of sectarian discord. The party's effort to torpedo the Hariri tribunal has created a perception that it is siding with Rafik Hariri's murderers - little helped by Hizbullah secretary general Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah's public statements of solidarity with the Syrian regime. But perhaps most worrying for Hizbullah's leadership is its knowledge that the party cannot return to where it was before July 12, 2006, when the war with Israel began - at least without pushing the Lebanese political system perilously closer to war. For one thing is absolutely clear: Without some sort of Syrian return to Lebanon, and even then, Hizbullah has no future as simultaneously a political and military party.

For years, pundits and analysts have spoken of Hizbullah's "integration into Lebanese society." Their underlying premise was that the party somehow desired this. Optimists pointed to Hizbullah's participation in successive parliamentary elections as an example of its willingness to "assimilate." The naivete deployed was remarkable. It rarely occurred to the experts that Hizbullah did not start as, nor truly is, a social services organization. It is an Iranian-financed military and security enterprise overseeing a vast and competent patronage system designed to win Shiite backing, allowing Hizbullah to retain its weapons. It never occurred to the experts that Hizbullah's objective in participating in the political system was not to jettison its military identity, but rather to safeguard it within the confines of Lebanese institutions it could thereafter influence. And it never occurred to the experts that Hizbullah was not interested in integration at all, at least on terms that would require surrendering its autonomy, even if it readily exploited its stake in the state as an additional means of patronage, much like other Lebanese political actors.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb

These conditions no longer apply in Lebanon. With the society divided, Hizbullah cannot impose its conditions as it once did. This, Nasrallah knows. At the same time, the party's officials are too astute not to recognize that a return of Syrian domination, while it might buy Hizbullah a new lease on life, is more likely to lead to a Sunni-Shiite war, its end result, in all probability, being the collapse of Assad's regime, which would not be able to resist sectarian discord coming from Lebanon. That leaves a third option: Hizbullah's embrace of the Lebanese system through an agreement to disarm and transform itself from a Leninist political-military party into solely a political one deferring to democratic rules.

None of these choices appeals to Hizbullah. This is why it is trying to avoid a decision by taking over effective control of the government, to better determine who will be elected president once Emile Lahoud's term ends. Hizbullah's demand for 11 ministers out of 30 must be understood in this context, as an instrument to bring the government down, or threaten to, and use this as leverage to choose a friendly president. If the party and Syria can influence the presidency, and given the fact that they already rule over Parliament through Berri, this would allow them to hold Lebanon hostage in the coming years and rebuild the political and military infrastructure that was the basis of their intimidation.

That's why both Syria and Hizbullah were especially alarmed with statements from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon's entourage last week, that the UN was working on defining the Shebaa Farms border, whether Syria agreed with this or not. If the international organization sets final boundaries and persuades Israel to withdraw, Hizbullah will have even less of an excuse to hold on to its arms. More worrying for the Syrians, this would sever any remaining linkage between a resolution of Lebanon's territorial dispute with Israel and Syria's. Syria would no longer be able to link the military neutralization of the Lebanese-Syrian border area to an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Golan Heights.

Perhaps Pelosi and other foreign officials will understand this simple equation one day, after again failing to persuade Assad to sell Hizbullah out. Unfortunately, foreign bigwigs come to town, their domestic calculations in hand; then they leave, and we're left picking up the pieces.

Michael Young is opinion editor of THE DAILY STAR.

[Skutatos]

Since I've been known to vote both ways, I'll just say that as an American, she embarasses me.

[sferrin]

There must be SOME Dems who are embarrassed by this woman.

You're talking abou the people who put Gore, Kerry, and now Hillary as their choice for Prez. If THAT hasn't embarrassed them I don't think anything can.

[FutureMcDonaldsEmployee]

She's got huge ****.

does anyone have a pic of her ****?

[Snoshi]

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