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Canadian Sig
04-06-2007, 09:27 AM
Vimy battle marks birth of Canadian nationalism
Updated Tue. Apr. 3 2007 3:08 PM ET

Mary Nersessian, CTV.ca News

Ninety years after the Canadian victory at Vimy Ridge, there is a renewal of interest in the landmark triumph, one of the nation's most storied military battles.

"My sense is that maybe young people are kind of poking around for some sense of who they are as Canadians," said Ted Barris, author of "Victory at Vimy" (Thomas Allen Publishers).

Historians have said Canadian nationalism was born atop the Vimy Ridge in northern France on April 9, 1917, when the 100,000-strong Canadian Corps claimed a strategic prize from the Germans near Arras, France that other allies had failed to capture.

"What it did was make them think they were terrific soldiers, and made them think Canada could do special things," military historian Jack Granatstein told CTV.ca.

It was at Vimy that the Canadian Corps captured more ground, more prisoners and more guns than any previous British offensive in the two-and-a-half years of war leading up to the battle.

Nine decades later, Canadians are eager to participate in the Easter Monday celebrations that will rededicate the soaring National Vimy Memorial after a $20-million restoration.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the Queen, and other heads of state are expected to attend the event on April 9, along with an estimated 10,000 from Canada.

"It's been beyond anything that anyone would have imagined," Robert Mercer, an assistant deputy minister at Veterans Affairs, told a Senate committee in February.

"This is a huge event. ... This is growing by the day," he said.

Birth of nationalism

The Battle of Vimy Ridge was considered one of the major allied victories of the war. It represented the first significant turning of the tide against the Germans, who were removed from a significant spot in the Western Front.

"In a way, it was a sort of inspiration to those involved that the war would soon be over, and that the Germans would have to relinquish what they had taken," Barris told CTV.ca.

The milestone victory also marked the first time the entire Canadian Corps fought as one unit.

"Suddenly there was this chemistry of people coming together, who had for the most part, come from somewhere else. They were immigrants, they had come from empire countries, like Britain, Scotland, Wales, maybe South Africa and Rhodesia and the Caribbean," said Barris, a broadcaster and journalism professor, who will be travelling to France for the 90th anniversary memorial.

"But on that day and in the campaign leading up to it, they had become Canadians," he said.

But the nationalism that emerged among the Canadian Corps was only among the English-speaking troops, Granatstein said.

"There was only one battalion of francophones in the 48 battalions of the Canadian Corps and if there was nationalism formed, it was English-Canadian nationalism," Granatstein said.

"Quebec was a reluctant participant in the war, and there was a real shortfall in the percentage of francophones enlisting, there was real opposition to the war, and there was the fear that casualties would lead to conscription as of course it did," he said.

Battle of Arras

The Battle of Vimy Ridge was one of the earlier battles in a larger British campaign, known as the Battle of Arras, during the First World War.

The Canadian Corps was ordered to seize the seven-kilometre ridge in April 1917.

A key asset for most of the First World War, the strategic ridge was one of the most heavily defended points on the entire Western Front and held a commanding view over the Allied lines. Rising 61 metres above the Douai Plain, it allowed the Germans a vantage point that gave them control over much of the surrounding territory.

The ridge, which was considered one of the Germans' most impregnable strongpoints, protected an area of occupied northern France where mines and factories were in full production for Germany.

Where other allied armies, such as the French and the British, had repeatedly tried and failed to seize the difficult position, the Allied commanders decided to launch another assault in 1917.

This time, the duty was handed to the relatively fresh Canadians, who carefully planned and rehearsed their attack.

As the Canadian Commander of the 1st Division, Maj.-Gen. Arthur Currie, said," Take time to train them."

And so they did -- building full-scale replicas of the Vimy terrain where Canadian units rehearsed exactly what they would do during the attack.

"They took every man and infantryman back behind the lines trained everybody over a replica of No Man's Land," Barris said.

"They rehearsed the attack over and over and over again, sharing information about the strategy from the top man to lowest man on ladder. This was unheard of because information was the domain of officers. Suddenly information was the domain of every man in the Canadian army."

'Week of suffering'

On April 2, the Canadians initiated the largest artillery barrage in history at that point.

Using over one million shells, the Canadians shelled the German trenches.

The German artillery pieces were harboured behind the ridge, but with aerial reconnaissance and other spotting methods that used sound and light, the Canadians were able to locate and destroy more than 80 per cent of enemy guns before they even stepped into No Man's Land.

"They pinpointed all the German guns way, way, way behind the German lines. ... Canadians scientifically managed to pinpoint where all the German guns were, the ones that could inflict real damage," Barris said.

By the time the infantry set out, the Germans bore the brunt of a million artillery shells. The Germans called the period "the week of suffering."

Some said the attack was so loud, it was heard all the way in London.

At dawn on April 9, 1917, all four divisions of the Canadian Corps, totalling 100,000 men, launched their attack.

Creeping artillery barrage

The key to their victory was the innovation of a creeping artillery barrage that would not only isolate enemy trenches, but serve as a moving wall of high explosives and shrapnel that would protect the advancing soldiers.

While it had been used previously by the British at the Battle of the Somme, it had outpaced the soldiers in that confrontation and both sides often shelled their own troops.

The Canadians perfected the technique at Vimy Ridge, advancing behind a continuous line of shells.

"Chaps, you shall go over exactly like a railroad train, on time, or you shall be annihilated," warned Canadian Corps commander Sir Julian Byng.

Behind the barrage advanced 20,000 soldiers of the first attacking wave of the four divisions.

The barrage would function as a screen for the troops to hide from view. Every few minutes, the cannons would target a higher aim, moving the artillery fire forward by about 90 metres.

The Canadian foot soldiers on the attack were expected to keep moving forward. If they fell behind, they would become targets for the enemy soldiers watching from the ridge.

But if they moved too far forward, they were in danger of coming under fire from their own troops.

Until the battle of Vimy, the ever-growing Canadian force had been farmed out to allied troops as reinforcements.

Suddenly the troops were battling alongside Canadians from across the country, fighting for a common cause on one front.

While there was some hand-to-hand combat, the greatest resistance came from the machine guns located in the German intermediate line.

Three of the four divisions overcame the resistance to capture their part of the ridge by midday.

In the final stage of the battle, the 2nd Canadian Division was assisted by the British 13th Brigade, which fell under its command for the operation.

"Several of diaries and manuscripts I found reveal that the men talked about a greater sense of being Canadian than ever before because they were suddenly these four divisions of Canada together," Barris said.

Greg Clark, who had left his job at the Toronto Daily Star to join the army, described the ridge as a symbol to the Germans of "a sort of bastion for their line of conquest across France."

Within days it would become a measure of the Canadians' success.

By April 12, Canadians controlled the entire ridge.

"For the first time in our history, the four Canadians lined up along that infernal and stinking front, shoulder to shoulder," Clark wrote, "in order ... the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Divisions. There is symbolism ... Canadians from Atlantic to Pacific, a solid line."

The Douai Plain below him looked "like the kingdoms of the earth ... As far as the eye could see, south, north, along the miles of ridge, there were the Canadians. And I experienced my first full sense of nationhood," Clark wrote.

It was a sentiment echoed time and time again.

"Next to you in this campaign was somebody from the Maritimes, or downtown Toronto, or Saskatchewan, or caribou country of B.C.," Barris said.

Brig.-Gen. A.E. Ross declared after the war, "in those few minutes I witnessed the birth of a nation."

Indeed, Canada suffered its share of growing pains, with more than 10,000 casualties, 3,598 fatal. Still, the level of casualties at Vimy was far lighter than the average of many assaults on the Western Front.

Earlier French, British and German battles at the Ridge had cost them at least 200,000 casualties.

"The coverage in Canada immediately after -- and in Britain and the U.S. -- also painted this as a big victory. Part of it was because there weren't many big victories then for the allies," Granatstein said.

It is said that upon learning of the victory, a French soldier exclaimed "C'est impossible!" ("It's impossible!")

When he was told it was the Canadians behind the victory, he replied: "Ah! Les Canadiens! C'est possible!" ("Ah! The Canadians! It is possible!").

The Canadian success at Vimy marked a significant turning-point for the Allies. A year-and-a-half later, the Great War -- the war to end all wars -- had come to an end.

Granatstein believes the renewed interest in the Battle of Vimy could well be linked to the Canadian mission in Afghanistan.

"There has been a substantial growth of interest in Canada's military past and I think the Afghan war contributes to this as well, the fact that we're taking casualties in battle again," Granatstein told CTV.ca.

"The war may not be wholly accepted by the public -- but the interest in the soldiers and the fact that Canadians will say at the drop of a hat 'We support our soldiers' must be having some carryover into this," he said.

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Canadian Sig
04-06-2007, 09:28 AM
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Canadian Sig
04-06-2007, 09:42 AM
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Introduced in August 1916, the small box respirator was an effective antigas device, unless the wearer began breathing heavily such as in a stressful situation or running across a battlefield. Horse handlers even had a modified gas bag for their animals.

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Gathered in Uxbridge's Elgin Park, men of the 116th Ontario County Battalion prepare to head to war.

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To ensure air circulation where the sappers dug tunnels under Vimy, troops manned an outside bellows to continuously pump in fresher air.

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The crenellated trench - like the top of a castle chess piece in this aerial view - ensured that an invading enemy had a limited field-of-fire up and down the line.

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As awkward and uncomfortable as the trenches looked, any bivvy - bagged area or funk hole into a trench wall - could double as a bed for a few moments' rest.

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Behind the lines at Vimy, Canadian troops consumed a million gallons of water a day, as well as two hot meals per man and—on combat operations—a tot of rum. Canned meat was a staple, and when possible a slice of bread with jam or cheese.

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Keeping clean at the front proved the greatest challenge, so leftover tea, rain runoff, or trench water often became the basic ingredient for daily ablutions.

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The Germans called the seven days of Allied shelling prior to the ground attack at Vimy 'the week of suffering,' during which more than a million rounds crashed into German positions. Artillery crews dumped spent shell casings along the roadsides

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These 9-inch guns played a key role in the Allies' counter-battery fire, which eliminated more than 80 per cent of the German artillery before the infantry battle even began on April 9.

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In the first ninety minutes of the Easter Monday battle, Allied guns fired 200,000 artillery rounds. All of the battery ammunition had been stockpiled days in advance.

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One thousand Allied guns—nearly hub-to-hub along the Vimy front—fired relentlessly at German targets day and night for a week.

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These Canadian Vickers machine gunners revolutionized use of the weapon by firing over the heads of their own troops and creating an arc of indirect harassing fire against the enemy.




More to come throughout the week-end.
Sig

speckfire
04-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Excellent pics .. Thanks CanSig

jontew
04-06-2007, 10:28 AM
Amazing footage and information!

goat89
04-07-2007, 02:29 AM
Creeping Barrage. Yep. They perfected it and did it.

roland
04-07-2007, 07:58 AM
The battle of Vimy is a great victory of intelligence.
Byng invented here the modern combat, the Vimy battle mark the end of 19th century methods of attacking waves on line that concentrate on hard point while instead Byng decided to just hold the ground where the resistance is the stronger and concentrate where the advance is the easier to outflank enemies strong point.
This with clever use of artillery (but that wasn't new, the french already mastered the artillery fire advancing along the infantry), clever use of reserve and good troops made Vimy a quick and relatively costless victory that astonished the allies.
Part of the cote 145 has been offered to Canada and is now Canadian property.

Canadian Sig
04-07-2007, 08:48 AM
Officials scramble to fix errors at Vimy memorial
Updated Fri. Apr. 6 2007 2:28 PM ET

CTV.ca News

Canadian officials are scrambling to correct a number of glaring French grammar mistakes and spelling errors on plaques erected at the new war memorial in Vimy Ridge, France.

News emerged Thursday that French signs inside the memorial's visitors centre were rife with mistakes -- with just days to go before world leaders, including Prime Minister Stephen Harper, gather for a memorial on Monday to mark the 90th anniversary of the battle at Vimy Ridge.

In total, 3,598 Canadians perished and thousands were wounded in the 1917 battle. It marked a coming of age for Canada's military and is widely viewed as a key moment in deciding the outcome of the First World War.

The errors are included on plaques detailing the battle which were prepared by volunteers, The Globe and Mail reports.

The mistakes range from misspelled words -- chambres spelled "chambers" and explosifs spelled "explosives" -- down to badly conjugated verbs and phrases that are simply not part of the French vernacular.

Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson told reporters that the signs that include mistakes have been removed and will not be on display when the leaders gather this weekend.

The plaques will be replaced in the memorial when the mistakes are corrected, possibly not until Monday when the actual ceremony takes place, Thompson said.

"When mistakes happen we want to be forgiving," he said, "but we also have to understand that we have to make it right and we are committed to doing that.

A spokesman for Thompson said volunteers are responsible for the gaffes, not members of the department, though he would not provide their names and only said they are Canadian.

Retired Colonel Michel Drapeau said the mistake reflects badly on Canada and its appreciation of veterans. It also makes Canada look unprofessional at a time when the world is watching, he said.

"We come across as amateurs. And veterans, including myself, will see that as a bit of a slap in the face, an absence of care, an absence of attention," he told The Globe.

"And, in a country like Canada with two languages that are official, there is absolutely no reason for it. The excuse that we have left this to volunteers simply doesn't wash. It just doesn't cut it with me."

Thompson also faced tough questions about why Veterans Affairs is not providing lunch to 3,600 Canadian students who will be participating in the celebrations in Vimy Ridge.

Organizers had told teachers that lunch would be provided on April 9, but Thompson said on Thursday that a misunderstanding had occurred and students would have to buy their own lunches.


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roland
04-07-2007, 08:58 AM
CTV.ca News
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It marked a coming of age for Canada's military and is widely viewed as a key moment in deciding the outcome of the First World War.
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lets not exagerate LOL

Canadian Sig
04-07-2007, 09:07 AM
lets not exagerate LOL

By April 12, the Canadians controlled the entire ridge, at a cost of 3,598 men killed and 7,104 wounded. The German Sixth Army, under General Ludwig von Falkenhausen, suffered approximately 20,000 casualties. The Canadians also took 4,000 Germans as prisoners of war. The loss of the ridge forced the Germans to retreat to the lower plains that were far more difficult to defend. The attack and objective had more limited grand-strategic significance as the simultaneous British and Australian attack to the south was unsuccessful.

However, in a war in which, battle after battle, thousands died for gains measured in yards, the breakthrough had tremendous tactical significance: it relieved the city of Arras from the immediate threat of attack and proved that the front lines could be moved forward once again, after years of bloody stalemate. Vimy Ridge was the first Allied victory in almost a year and a half and it was especially demoralizing for the Germans who had viewed the ridge as one of their most impregnable strongpoints.

A year later, in April 1918, the fact that Vimy Ridge continued to be held even as the final German offensive to try and win the war pushed deeper into France and into the outskirts of Paris was also significant. The ridge provided a leverage point behind the lines from which an extremely effective Allied counter-attack was launched. The counterattack would ultimately lead to complete victory over Germany by November 1918.



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Sounds fairly pivitol to me. I have been to Vimy while on leave from Afghanistan and i cant imagine fighting up that ridge face.


It was also the first use of indirect fire with machine guns and the perfection of the creeping barrage. It changed the war war was fought from then on.

roland
04-07-2007, 09:23 AM
By April 12, the Canadians controlled the entire ridge, at a cost of 3,598 men killed and 7,104 wounded. The German Sixth Army, under General Ludwig von Falkenhausen, suffered approximately 20,000 casualties. The Canadians also took 4,000 Germans as prisoners of war. The loss of the ridge forced the Germans to retreat to the lower plains that were far more difficult to defend. The attack and objective had more limited grand-strategic significance as the simultaneous British and Australian attack to the south was unsuccessful.

However, in a war in which, battle after battle, thousands died for gains measured in yards, the breakthrough had tremendous tactical significance: it relieved the city of Arras from the immediate threat of attack and proved that the front lines could be moved forward once again, after years of bloody stalemate. Vimy Ridge was the first Allied victory in almost a year and a half and it was especially demoralizing for the Germans who had viewed the ridge as one of their most impregnable strongpoints.

A year later, in April 1918, the fact that Vimy Ridge continued to be held even as the final German offensive to try and win the war pushed deeper into France and into the outskirts of Paris was also significant. The ridge provided a leverage point behind the lines from which an extremely effective Allied counter-attack was launched. The counterattack would ultimately lead to complete victory over Germany by November 1918.



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Sounds fairly pivitol to me. I have been to Vimy while on leave from Afghanistan and i cant imagine fighting up that ridge face.


It was also the first use of indirect fire with machine guns and the perfection of the creeping barrage. It changed the war war was fought from then on.

VERY oriented opinion I must say. Everything is true but it's the relative importance of each argument that is imo biased.
Nevermind, Byng's work was studied a lot both by the allies and the Germans and it had a great influence in how future battles were going to be fought.
In that I agree this battle had great influence and like I said some see it as the marking point between 19th and 20th century warfare.
But saying "..is widely viewed as a key moment in deciding the outcome of the First World War." .. well ok but among many other then.
btw the place is already taken by Belleau Wood :)
(just kidding, I think Vimy is of greater strategic importance than Belleau Wood even if at the time of Belleau Wood any battle could make switch the balance one side or the other so ALL battle were of vital importance)

Auzzzie
04-07-2007, 12:29 PM
VERY oriented opinion I must say. Everything is true but it's the relative importance of each argument that is imo biased.

You get "bias" for every country. The amount of battles the Aussies fought and won, battles that other allies had tried and lost, and were pivotal in the outcome of the war are too numerous to count on my fingers and toes.p-)

roland
04-07-2007, 12:46 PM
You get "bias" for every country. The amount of battles the Aussies fought and won, battles that other allies had tried and lost, and were pivotal in the outcome of the war are too numerous to count on my fingers and toes.p-)

LOL. Even us at our lowest, according to some French, the Free French saved the XVIIIth army by blocking the Afrika Corps at Bir-Hakeim and if it wasn't us, the anglos-americans would still be hitting the wall at Monte Cassino like a fly against a window.

All not really false but must be put in perspective in the big picture.
Congrats for the Canadians anyway :hug: (no kind nickname for the Canadians ?)

stonecutter
04-07-2007, 04:14 PM
You get "bias" for every country. The amount of battles the Aussies fought and won, battles that other allies had tried and lost, and were pivotal in the outcome of the war are too numerous to count on my fingers and toes.p-)

Messines Ridge.... who was that Australian general who basically came up with Blitzkrieg tactics with great effect near the end of the war?

Of all the histories I've read of the Great War, the Canadians and Australians truly stand out as the Commonwealth's shock troops.

gadzook
04-08-2007, 12:02 AM
My Great Uncle fought with the Canadian Army at Vimy Ridge. He was a native of Thornton, England, moved to Texas with his family at the age of 5 and entered the Canadian Army when he was 20. Originally he joined as a pilot trainee but decided to switch to the Army after 2 of the 3 instructors he flew with were killed in crashes.

He became a forward observer for artillery at Vimy Ridge. He was up close enough to observe the German frontlines and secondary lines. If he saw any movement he would call down artillery. During lulls in fighting he and his fellow soldiers would walk the trenches looking for unexploded German grenades, for fun. Often during attacks, many of these grenades were dropped on the ground without being pulled. They would toss them around for sport.

He also did some looting, taking a number of small items from a home in the town of Douai. He was an engraver by trade and took a number of engraving blanks out of a bureau(desk) in a home. The engraving plates had an address on them and during a visit to France in the 1980's, I went to the street where he took the items. Most of that block was destroyed during WW2, only a vacant lot exists now.

Vimy Ridge reminds me alot of the Balcones Escarpment in West Texas. Interesting geological feature and an interesting place for a battle.

My great uncle passed away in 1989. I still have most of his WW1 spoils of war including some artillery shell casings.

Auzzzie
04-08-2007, 12:11 AM
Messines Ridge.... who was that Australian general who basically came up with Blitzkrieg tactics with great effect near the end of the war?That would probably be General Monash, many say the greatest general of WW1, and was knighted in the field. This would be his most famous quote:
"the true role of infantry was not to expend itself upon heroic physical effort, not to wither away under merciless machine-gun fire, not to impale itself on hostile bayonets, but on the contrary, to advance under the maximum possible protection of the maximum possible array of mechanical resources, in the form of guns, machine-guns, tanks, mortars and aeroplanes; to advance with as little impediment as possible; to be relieved as far as possible of the obligation to fight their way forward".

Minardiau
04-08-2007, 12:21 AM
Monash.........He invented modern warfare. Arguably the 20th centuries greatest general. I'm not saying this because he is an aussie either.

He basically invented modern combined arms operations.

cbreedon
04-08-2007, 01:41 AM
(no kind nickname for the Canadians ?)

canucks, among others

oldsoak
04-08-2007, 06:58 AM
Monash.........He invented modern warfare. Arguably the 20th centuries greatest general. I'm not saying this because he is an aussie either.

He basically invented modern combined arms operations.

- theres a few claims to that title of combined arms inventor - both allied and German. Certainly Colonel Fuller had "plan 1919" devised in may 1918 involving tanks etc striking deep into the enemiy rear. Thats not to downplay Monash, who was brilliant General. Montgomery thought him the best in WW1. Old King George liked him, and evidently let people know that any attmept to remove Monash would incur royal displeasure.

Canadian Sig
04-08-2007, 09:26 AM
VIMY RIDGE, FRANCE -- Thousands of grateful French citizens waved Maple Leaf flags and wore poppies last night as they gathered beneath a massive monument to honour Canada's war dead.

The sunset ceremony was the first public viewing of the Vimy Ridge memorial since it underwent a three-year, $20-million restoration. Tomorrow, Queen Elizabeth, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Dominique de Villepin, France's prime minister, will attend an official rededication service that is expected to draw up to 30,000.

Last night, as Harper and his family arrived in France, Canadian Forces bands entertained some 3,000 French citizens and Canadian veterans with tunes from World War I under the monument inscribed with the names of 11,285 Canadian soldiers who went missing in France.

IMPORTANT ROLE

Andre Souplet, who was born in nearby Lille, said it's important to remember the role Canadians played in liberating France.

"Everyone came to save us during the two world wars," he said. "For me, Canadians mean freedom."


The French government donated 100 hectares of land around the Vimy memorial, and Souplet said it is like having a "little bit of Canada" in the north of France.

"Canadian people are our cousins," he said. "We love Canada, we love the Canadians."

After the sun set, a candlelight procession made its way around the memorial site.

A group of local youth performed a musical interpretation about the Battle of Vimy Ridge and the significance of the memorial.

Francoise Vanden Broecke, who travelled 20 km across the border in Belgium for the Vimy 90th anniversary events, said it's important to remember the history of war, sacrifice and the fight for freedom.

"We thank them. We are not French, but Belgian, so we are near," she said.

"And thanks to those people, we are free now."

Earlier, a Canadian soldier killed in action 90 years ago was finally laid to rest with full military honours.

Pte. Herbert Peterson's remains were identified by a team led by Dr. Carney Matheson, using DNA forensics.

"It was really quite moving, seeing all these veterans there for one of their fallen soldiers," Matheson, who attended, said just after the one-hour ceremony.

Meanwhile, a special plaque was erected in the nearby town of Givenchy, where a village square was dedicated to the "Byng Boys."

Julian Byng, the commander who led the Canadian Corps to victory at Vimy Ridge, later became Canada's governor general.


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mas36
04-08-2007, 10:00 AM
That's very nice. Now if only we could get our own US government to donate the land of the French cemetery at Yorktown to France. Seems this was suggested a few times over the years, but it never materializes.


VIMY RIDGE, FRANCE -- Thousands of grateful French citizens waved Maple Leaf flags and wore poppies last night as they gathered beneath a massive monument to honour Canada's war dead.

The sunset ceremony was the first public viewing of the Vimy Ridge memorial since it underwent a three-year, $20-million restoration. Tomorrow, Queen Elizabeth, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Dominique de Villepin, France's prime minister, will attend an official rededication service that is expected to draw up to 30,000.

Last night, as Harper and his family arrived in France, Canadian Forces bands entertained some 3,000 French citizens and Canadian veterans with tunes from World War I under the monument inscribed with the names of 11,285 Canadian soldiers who went missing in France.

IMPORTANT ROLE

Andre Souplet, who was born in nearby Lille, said it's important to remember the role Canadians played in liberating France.

"Everyone came to save us during the two world wars," he said. "For me, Canadians mean freedom."


The French government donated 100 hectares of land around the Vimy memorial, and Souplet said it is like having a "little bit of Canada" in the north of France.

"Canadian people are our cousins," he said. "We love Canada, we love the Canadians."

After the sun set, a candlelight procession made its way around the memorial site.

A group of local youth performed a musical interpretation about the Battle of Vimy Ridge and the significance of the memorial.

Francoise Vanden Broecke, who travelled 20 km across the border in Belgium for the Vimy 90th anniversary events, said it's important to remember the history of war, sacrifice and the fight for freedom.

"We thank them. We are not French, but Belgian, so we are near," she said.

"And thanks to those people, we are free now."

Earlier, a Canadian soldier killed in action 90 years ago was finally laid to rest with full military honours.

Pte. Herbert Peterson's remains were identified by a team led by Dr. Carney Matheson, using DNA forensics.

"It was really quite moving, seeing all these veterans there for one of their fallen soldiers," Matheson, who attended, said just after the one-hour ceremony.

Meanwhile, a special plaque was erected in the nearby town of Givenchy, where a village square was dedicated to the "Byng Boys."

Julian Byng, the commander who led the Canadian Corps to victory at Vimy Ridge, later became Canada's governor general.


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Kitsune
04-08-2007, 09:04 PM
Messines Ridge.... who was that Australian general who basically came up with Blitzkrieg tactics with great effect near the end of the war?

That would probably be General Monash, many say the greatest general of WW1, and was knighted in the field. This would be his most famous quote:

Quote:
"the true role of infantry was not to expend itself upon heroic physical effort, not to wither away under merciless machine-gun fire, not to impale itself on hostile bayonets, but on the contrary, to advance under the maximum possible protection of the maximum possible array of mechanical resources, in the form of guns, machine-guns, tanks, mortars and aeroplanes; to advance with as little impediment as possible; to be relieved as far as possible of the obligation to fight their way forward".




Well, whatever Monash invented, that what he describes here is not "Blitzkrieg". Or what, let's say, William S. Lind calls "3rd generation warfare". Which is sometimes also called maneuver warfare and is the kind of tactics the German armed forces used to great effect in WWII (or, in a forerunner version, in the last years of WWI: the so called "Hutier" tactics...which in turn were at least partially inspired by tactics the Russians used in the so called Brusilov Offensive against the Austrians in 1916).
What Monash describes here is what Lind calls "2nd generation warfare" and whose basic principle one French general described with "the artillery conquers, the infantery occupies". Which was also the method the Canadians used at Vimy Ridge: decimate the enemy through massive shelling for an extended period of time then attack.

Opposed to this, Hutier tactics used only short shelling which was then followed by penetration by elite Stormtroops, using infiltration tactics. Only then would the rest of the offensive force follow to crush the defender. In WWII this was drawn out over a far greater depth: the short shelling (that was meant to create shock and confusion) was done to a large part by the Luftwaffe, while the role the Stormtroops had played in WWI was taken over by Panzer units (which used not so much infliltration, of course but were able to penetrate fast and deep through their punching power).

One of the basic difference between both types of tactics is that the one that Monash decribes, or its derivatives (that what the US military is using to this very day could be described very basically as "the Air Force conquers, the Army occupies"), are based upon attrition and will therefore usually only work when the side using it has superior quantities of men or material or both at its disposal. Unlike this "Blitzkrieg" relies more on maneuver operations which often force the enemy troops to give up in large numbers and is therefore able to defeat enemies of superior strength.

Auzzzie
04-09-2007, 01:29 AM
In the book I'm reading at the moment about Tobruk it gives many accounts of how Rommel was able to defeat vastly superior forces using that tactic. Apparently the first time it failed was at Tobruk itself, when the Australian soldiers allowed the tanks to roll through unopposed while remaining concealed in their positions, and then instead of the German Infantry behind the tanks rolling back the breach, they were basically wiped out and the initial breach was closed so nobody else could come through. Then mostly Pommy artillery and tanks ambushed the Panzer tanks and sent them running back to a closed breach where they got shot up some more.

That was orchestrated by General Morshead, another top Aussie general. Perhaps the success can be put down to anticipating the tactic and the quality of defending troops.

oldsoak
04-09-2007, 06:57 AM
Top Australian General ? :-P
- only joshing - its was a good tactic and a pity there were not a lot more of his ilk.
There is a distinct advantage in being a young country in that one can be a lot more dynamic and radical in military tactics than the motherland simply because you dont have an firmly entrenched way of thinking or of how things should be done. The ANZACS and Canucks were able to captilise on this and be more innovative. Try being that under some of the ineffectives we had.

Canadian Sig
04-09-2007, 09:16 AM
Sombre soldiers mark Vimy Ridge anniversary
Updated Mon. Apr. 9 2007 7:24 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canadian troops in Afghanistan marked the 90th anniversary of the Battle of Vimy Ridge Monday, just hours after losing six of their comrades to a roadside bomb.


The six soldiers were killed early Sunday afternoon by an apparent improvised explosive device. The bomb detonated, striking their LAV-III armoured vehicle as they guarded a convoy about 75 kilometres west of Kandahar.


Troops were reminded on Monday of the parallels between their mission in Afghanistan and the Vimy battle in First World War.


"We found our way among nations in 1917. Now we are finding our way on the international stage," said Col. Mike Cessford, deputy commander of Task Force Afghanistan.


"We are doing good things in tough parts of the world.''


The Canadian military has released the names of five of the six soldiers killed.


They are Sgt. Donald Lucas, 31, of Burton, N.B.; Cpl. Christopher Paul Stannix (reservist), 24, of Dartmouth, N.S.; Cpl. Aaron E. Williams, 23, of Lincoln, N.B.; Pte. Kevin Vincent Kennedy, 20, of St. Lawrence, Nfld.; and Pte. David Robert Greenslade, 20, of Saint John, N.B.. The family of a sixth man requested that his name be withheld.


Five of the dead soldiers are members of the Royal Canadian Regiment, 2nd Battalion, based at CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick. Stannix is with the Halifax-based Princess Louise Fusiliers. Two of the dead men are fathers.


The incident is described as the single largest one-day death toll suffered by Canadian troops since the Afghanistan campaign began in 2002.


CTV's Paul Workman, who attended the Vimy Ridge anniversary ceremonies, described the mood as sombre on Monday.


"The tone was set by what happened," he said. "It's very difficult for these soldiers to deal with because for the last while there haven't been serious wounds or death among this particular battle group."


The ceremony was conducted near a small cenotaph that contained the pictures and names of the 45 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat killed in Afghanistan since April 2002.


Soon the latest casualties will be added to the marble monument.

Remembering Vimy, a live CTV News special anchored by Lloyd Robertson, will air Monday, April 9 beginning at 10 a.m. ET/7 a.m. PT on CTV, CTV Newsnet and The CTV Broadband Network.