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Kaerry
04-06-2007, 01:19 PM
Stark picture of a warming world

By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website, in Brussels
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42504000/jpg/_42504455_chimney_body_ap.jpg Industrial countries are asked to work on reducing emissions


Considering the fact they had been working intensively all through the night, the leaders of the UN panel on climate change were extraordinarily debonair and alert as they presented their conclusions to ranks of impatient journalists in the bright Brussels morning.
The chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Working Group II, Rajendra Pachauri, apologised for not having shaved - a light touch from the unflappable Indian, who sports a fine beard.
The general view, after five years of scientific work and four days of discussions here between senior scientists and government bureaucrats, was that something pretty significant had been achieved.
"This report clearly assesses the impacts of climate change in different parts of the world," said Dr Pachauri.
"And we have far greater regional detail than in [our previous global assessment in] 2001 on things like glacier melting, and what the implications of that melting will be; on sea level rise, which clearly threatens a number of countries in the world including mega-deltas which are particularly vulnerable; and on agriculture, which has implications for food security."

'Observational evidence'
The extra detail is testament to the vast amount of scientific observation which has been undertaken in recent years. Twenty-nine thousand real-world observations were included in the analysis.
"There is observational evidence of regional impacts on every continent on physical and biological systems," said Cynthia Rosenzweig, a climate impacts specialist with the US space agency Nasa.
"There are multiple lines of evidence that human-induced climate change is happening now, and the impacts are being seen now."

Confidence maintained
This is pretty strong stuff; but not quite as strong as some would have liked.
The IPCC is an unusual organisation in that the evidence is supplied by scientists, but the summaries of its reports are agreed between scientists and representatives of governments.
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Map: Climate change impact (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/6528979.stm)

Because of this, "climate sceptics" and "climate catastrophists" alike have regularly contended that the conclusions are unreliable - that scientists' drafts are altered through political pressure to make them either too weak or too strong, depending on which direction the criticism is coming from.
Here, a number of governments have sought to tone down the degrees of certainty on various issues.
The draft for this meeting started off by stating with "very high confidence" that natural systems on land and sea are being affected by regional climate changes, which was badly received by Saudi Arabia, Russia, and China.
Deadlock continued until the early hours of the final day's negotiations, with Dr Rosenzweig presenting a note of protest to the chair on behalf of senior scientists, saying that their evidence-based conclusions were being ignored.
At one point she left the room, and the whole process could have unravelled. In the end it was diplomatic leadership by the US, favoured bogeyman of activists, that found a compromise which everyone could live with.
"The final document states that observational evidence on every continent and most oceans shows that natural systems are being affected by regional changes, particularly temperature increases," she said.
"And I'm very happy with that."

High table
Martin Parry, one of the co-chairs of this working group, had this observation on what the involvement of government representatives means for the IPCC's significance.
"The real secret is that governments buy in," he said. "Otherwise it would be just another report."
Governments will soon have the conclusions thrust under their noses at an unprecedented level.
Later this month, the United Nations Security Council will discuss the security implications of climate change, the first time this has ever happened.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42608000/jpg/_42608737_boliviacow203afp.jpg Poorer countries will be the hardest hit experts say


In June, the G8+5 group which includes the world's most powerful and populous nations will also have the IPCC's conclusions on their negotiating table.
"The science has come across as so strong and so confident in this report that really governments have nowhere to hide," commented Catherine Pearce, international climate campaigner with Friends of the Earth UK.
That presumes, though, that each government speaks with a single voice on climate change - and the reality is very different.

Hard arguments
Many governments, including the UK's, have environment departments which include enthusiasts for tough action on emissions, even at the expense of a little economic hardship.
These views might not be shared, though, in departments of finance, transport, energy and industry.
And the arguments can be quite hard to win in rich northern countries which, as the IPCC report acknowledged, may actually benefit from a modest amount of warming, and where resources are enough to defend against rising sea levels and shrinking rainfall.
It is in the poorest countries that the climate axe will fall. Every delegate here I spoke to was convinced of that.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42541000/jpg/_42541877_*****_china203.jpg Unseasonably warm weather in north China has been linked to climate change


"There is strong commitment (in this report) to understanding the adaptation needs of Africa," said Anthony Nyong from the International Development Research Centre in Nairobi, a lead author on the chapter on African impacts.
"[But] mitigation is always the best form of adaptation. There is no way that you can effectively adapt to all the impacts of climate change; it's absolutely impossible.
"So while we work at adapting, let the main emitters of greenhouse gases work on reducing their emissions."
It is a call we have heard many times before. And there is little evidence to believe that a report painting severe consequences ahead for the poor of the world, however detailed and bought into by governments, will be enough to bring unprecedented change from all the well-off members of the community of nations.
Richard.Black- INTERNET@bbc.co.uk (Richard.Black-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk)

The report can be read here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/06_04_05_climate.pdf

Dakota435
04-06-2007, 02:34 PM
It's too shallow to really be considered a religion. It's more of a cult.

PPSH41
04-06-2007, 04:25 PM
Interesting article. Anyone else notice that the first picture is a nuclear power plant? Only thing coming out of its stack is water vapor. Not to nitpick, but bad choice by the author. :)

thesuperdude
04-06-2007, 04:40 PM
Interesting article. Anyone else notice that the first picture is a nuclear power plant? Only thing coming out of its stack is water vapor. Not to nitpick, but bad choice by the author. :)


it could just as well be a coal-fired power plant
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szr
04-06-2007, 04:41 PM
"Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most"

Every report released by the UN claims that the "World's poorest will suffer the most" to the point where it's redundant.


Interesting article. Anyone else notice that the first picture is a nuclear power plant? Only thing coming out of its stack is water vapor. Not to nitpick, but bad choice by the author. :)
Water vapor is actually the most abundant by far of all the greenhouse gasses. ;)

Points for you, anyway, as I doubt the author even realizes that that's water vapor rising from cooling towers which are so often associated with nuclear power plants--one of the solutions we'll have to embrace if we truly want to curb CO2 emissions. :p

PPSH41
04-06-2007, 05:02 PM
I stand corrected. Didnt realize any coal plants utilized that style of tower/stack.

PPSH41
04-06-2007, 05:09 PM
Makes you wonder if the planet just plain and simple cannot support the coming human population. For every so-called solution theres 2 other problems that it creates.

AgentX
04-06-2007, 05:20 PM
It's too shallow to really be considered a religion. It's more of a cult.
Unfortunately, we don't have to wait till the Judgement Day to find it out.

Dakota435
04-06-2007, 05:51 PM
Makes you wonder if the planet just plain and simple cannot support the coming human population. For every so-called solution theres 2 other problems that it creates.

I believe the world population is projected to level off over the next 50 years due to birth control slowly taking root in the 3rd world.

2Sheds_Jackson
04-06-2007, 06:12 PM
"Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most"

Every report released by the UN claims that the "World's poorest will suffer the most" to the point where it's redundant.


rofl And this just in...



Stark Picture of Being Poor

By Vagyna Hurtz

Economic correspondent, BBC News website, in Brussels

All nations of the world urged to stop having poor people.

The UN today issued a tersely worded statement revealing a newly established scientific reality.

"We, the combined staff of the UN Council on things that are True, along with the world's correct-thinking scientific community have come to the incontestable conclusion that being poor sucks" said Malaysian ambassador Lykit Intherear. "Yes, it is better to not be broke, and have sh*tty things. Just look at these poor bastards" added Canadian spokesman Milquey Dischargé, as he showed a picture of filthy poor people with broken things.

developing...

IraGlacialis
04-06-2007, 06:39 PM
^^^^^
Vagyna Hurtz...
:lol:

If global warming is really being accelerated, there is evidence that not all places will suffer. While some areas will be flooded, desertified, and iced-up, other places such as the Sahara and the Outback could end up becoming lush as shifts in the climate would bring moisture over.
However, just because global warming could be a complete fad, it doesn't give the excuse to do whatever we please with the enviroment.

XShipRider
04-06-2007, 06:42 PM
Nothing new here folks, move along. There will always be; a) poor, and b) suffering. Quite often the two descriptors will be melded into one with the use of a conjunction such as "and."

Kaerry
04-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Very interesting views here :)

annihilation
04-07-2007, 10:22 AM
I believe the world population is projected to level off over the next 50 years due to birth control slowly taking root in the 3rd world.


Yes something around 9 billion the world will stablize.

Oddly enough with the AIDS crisis and all the problems Africa has, it still will grow and out take Europe in population size.

annihilation
04-07-2007, 10:24 AM
^^^^^
However, just because global warming could be a complete fad, it doesn't give the excuse to do whatever we please with the enviroment.


Very true, and alot of people use the excuse of global warming can be wrong, (the even shows its global cooling or solar warming) as an excuse to do nothing and continue at the levels of polutioning that we are now.

muck
04-07-2007, 12:14 PM
"Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most"

Every report released by the UN claims that the "World's poorest will suffer the most" to the point where it's redundant.


Water vapor is actually the most abundant by far of all the greenhouse gasses. ;)

Points for you, anyway, as I doubt the author even realizes that that's water vapor rising from cooling towers which are so often associated with nuclear power plants--one of the solutions we'll have to embrace if we truly want to curb CO2 emissions. :p

For obvious reasons. But not because Global Warming would be a swindle as often claimed, but because it is a matter of logic what is clearly recognizable after studying the theories concerning Global Warming, especially the expected affects. One example: Faster progress of desertification. Since a quite large number of poor countries are located in Africa, they are threatened by desertification.
Well, since one part of scientific world denies Global Warming and the other part overturns in making horrible news, the report offers no new informations, whatever one might think about Global Warming. The more interesting part is that China and the United States are said to have insisted on the erasing of some parts of the report. I wonder why that happened. p-)
Surely not because Global Warming is a totally proven fact. But as well surely not because it is lie.

afreu
04-07-2007, 08:26 PM
"Every report released by the UN claims that the "World's poorest will suffer the most" to the point where it's redundant."

So it's the rich that suffer the most? Or it's not one suffering at all because the UN is full of **** anyway?

dangerclose
04-07-2007, 08:35 PM
If the world were to end tomorrow, women, minorities and the world's poor would be the hardest hit.

szr
04-07-2007, 10:32 PM
"Every report released by the UN claims that the "World's poorest will suffer the most" to the point where it's redundant."

So it's the rich that suffer the most? Or it's not one suffering at all because the UN is full of **** anyway?
Perhaps there's a language barrier thing going on here.

In language, to say a word or a phrase is redundant means the word or phrase adds no new information that hasn't already been said or isn't already known.

World's poorest will suffer the most. The victims of war often suffer the most. Those with most have most to lose. The blue sky is blue. etc.

Add to that intrinsically redundant one-line conclusion, the fact that we already know what the UN concludes about everything: that the world's poorest will suffer the most. Today's UN is an organization that, at its soul, is focused on the poor and backward (or "under developed" if you prefer). Respect for what they try to do but it doesn't take any great leap of the imagination to see that "world's poorest will suffer most" is what they're likely to conclude about anything. After all, through the work and focus of their subordinate organizations such as UNICEF/WFP/UNHCR/etc., the UN has evolved into the chief advocate of the "world's poorest".