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army cadet_ngcsu
04-29-2004, 06:18 PM
US mulls 75,000-strong foreign peace force

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - US officials are mulling plans to create a 75,000-member peacekeeping force to intervene in trouble spots around the globe, two senior officials with the George W. Bush administration said.

"What we envision is about a 75,000-person force starting in Africa for training of peacekeepers, people to be available for peacekeeping," Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told a House of Representatives committee.


The pricetag for the program would be "about 100 million dollars the first year and 660 million dollars over the five-year life of this program," which would be financed jointly by the US Defense and State Departments, Armitage testified.


Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told the House Appropriations subcommittee on foreign operations that the force could intervene in countries like the Sudan, where civil war has led to the displacement of thousands of people, and along with other world hotspots.


"This is an initiative designed to train other country's forces, so that when peacekeeping requirements come up, as they did recently in Liberia (news - web sites) or as we're facing one in Haiti today, there are more capable foreign forces to draw, on -- so that we're not constantly turning to our military for tasks that could be performed by others."


Wolfowitz stressed that the thrust of the efforts would be peacekeeping.


"They are, by definition, missions that don't involve the kind of combat that our forces can do and do very well," he said.


"We think this is an important initiative is to build capacity so that when there is a desire to accomplish something ... we don't automatically have to turn to American forces, who have enormous stresses on them," Wolfowitz said.


One lawmaker expressed reservations however, saying similar programs attempted in the past have a dismal track record.


"I think we spent roughly about 100 million dollars starting in 1997 on the African contingency operation's training and assistance program. It's almost nothing that we got from that," said Republican Representative Mark Kirk.


"There are countries that contribute troops that are worthwhile and then there are countries that are completely useless," the Illinois lawmaker said.


"We like to have them on the wall, like we had in Bosnia, so that their flag pictures are up and we look really multinational. But they offer zero capability.


"I worry about this global peace operations initiative -- 660 million dollars. We can spend a ton of money, but they will offer zero net capabilities to a peacekeeping operation."




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army cadet_ngcsu
04-29-2004, 06:23 PM
Hmm, seems a bit risky. We might end up just throwing our money away, although it is a good idea on paper.

Uninen
04-29-2004, 06:30 PM
I dont really get that... are they saying that they will be training foreing (African?) troops / people to do some peacekeeping for the USA? Also who would these people serve? Will they be a part of US military or what?

scm77
04-29-2004, 06:59 PM
Did you even read the article? They would train forces in other countries to be peacekeepers. This way if there is trouble in a nation, the neighbours of that nation can step in and help (provided they aren't the cause of the trouble of course ;) )

This allows US forces to stay out of the situation. Normally the US has to start a peacekeeping mission because they have the most people/money and they are always forward deployed. This way the neighbouring countries could start it up and keep the mission going until a larger international force could get there.

Sounds like a good idea.

Uninen
04-29-2004, 07:05 PM
Yeah,

I red it, just didnt understand, it was quite blurry in the way they put it in it. (at least in the parts posted here, i didnt check the link...)

Anyways sounds like a good plan, something that should have been done long ago.......

Nizark
04-29-2004, 08:15 PM
im sure the UN will want to take some credit for it if it works, and if it they will bust out with some study that was published from the 60's saying why it woudlnt work.

Tane Angle
04-29-2004, 08:33 PM
I don't know how new this is, people have been saying this for at least twenty years, and conducting what peacekeeping training we can for about ten. On the one hand, I like it, as peacekeepers from relatively nearby/similar backgrounds would likely be more successful than having "the Americans" do it for them. One concern is that one would have to be careful if peacekeepers were to deploy to the area of their ethnic group's long-time enemy. Say, if a Hutu was in a unit sent to peacekeep in a Tutsi area, are they transfered out temporarily? That would damage unit cohesion.

Anyways, it's a great idea. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

usa320
04-29-2004, 09:30 PM
A good idea, but i think that we have mor important things to dedicate forces to right now.

Pille1234
04-29-2004, 10:35 PM
I admit, the idea sounds good on paper. But you might end up fighting against your own weapons and US trained soldiers, as history has shown often enough. The loyality of those soldiers is sometimes very weak and they change the side to whom pays best.
Another thing, african states are often not interested in peace keeping in their neighbouring country, in contrast they are one of the reasons for instability...

martinexsquaddie
04-30-2004, 01:48 AM
I think if your going to try and create more peace keepers for africa I'd start maybe with some of the south american countrys :roll:
you need a basic state infrastructuce and a level of corruption you can work with before you try anything that ambitious.
best troops in africa are the nigerians they can fight but are not much cop for peace keeping the rest are a waste of space possibly the south africans (but there a bit like the germans of africa though)

Royal
04-30-2004, 02:03 AM
Another thing, african states are often not interested in peace keeping in their neighbouring country, in contrast they are one of the reasons for instability...

Jeez, what a generalisation. How about people from Florida are either too old or too busy partying and eating Key Lime Pie to serve? My appologies to anyone from Florida who doesn't fit that description ;)


best troops in africa are the nigerians they can fight but are not much cop for peace keeping the rest are a waste of space possibly the south africans (but there a bit like the germans of africa though)

Having taken incoming with Kenyans in Sierra Leone, I've got to include them in that list...

csqnsas
04-30-2004, 02:58 AM
Have a look at these links.

Remember the UN ha deployd many times without the mighty USA.

The Congo in 1960-64. Shame was then that their "UN" rules of engagement were so restrictive that many times they were prevented from firing due to the said rules.


WASHINGTON (AFP) - US officials are mulling plans to create a 75,000-member peacekeeping force to intervene in trouble spots around the globe, two senior officials with the George W. Bush administration said.





Try reading this article from 1995 - same idea,just a US rehash.


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History always repets itself.

try reading "The rise and fall of the Roman empire"

The super power that was Rome collapsed through many factors. One of them was their own belief that they , because once were the mightesy did not need to fight. The payed others to do it while the Romans grew fat and lazy. Lost there production capacity to cheaper producers . Read it with a fresh view to the Western world and the USA today and think what could happen.

Red
04-30-2004, 03:02 AM
Another thing, african states are often not interested in peace keeping in their neighbouring country, in contrast they are one of the reasons for instability...

Jeez, what a generalisation. How about people from Florida are either too old or too busy partying and eating Key Lime Pie to serve? My appologies to anyone from Florida who doesn't fit that description ;)


best troops in africa are the nigerians they can fight but are not much cop for peace keeping the rest are a waste of space possibly the south africans (but there a bit like the germans of africa though)

Having taken incoming with Kenyans in Sierra Leone, I've got to include them in that list...
You forgot Nigeria and South Africa :D

the_spec
04-30-2004, 02:14 PM
I think it's a good idea, not mainly because of the african thing, but to have 75.000 men available who are specially trained for peacekeeping. You can't rebuild countries by always yelling "Send in the marines!".

afrographX
04-30-2004, 02:45 PM
Generally a very good idea, but it should be guaranted that such forces are not under the command of the usa. Because then they would only be some kind of cheap force to manage and clean up the remains of a US-war.
So such a force should definitly be under UN-control.