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Firetxmi
04-07-2007, 02:30 PM
Idaho shooters target Guard tanks
Sport shooters’ actions in state’s high desert lead to calls for wider gun ban
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:03 a.m. ET April 5, 2007

BOISE, Idaho - For years, ATV-riding, gun-toting sport shooters have flouted gun laws in part of Idaho’s high desert by taking pot shots at ground squirrels and other animals.

Now, officials say, they’re also setting their sights on National Guard tanks that train in the area.

Rifles and pistols have been banned in a 68,000-acre area of the Snake River Birds of Prey National Conservation Area since 1996.

But the federal Bureau of Land Management is considering expanding the gun-restricted area by 41,000 acres to try to limit shootings at Idaho Army National Guard troops who report slugs bouncing off their tanks on a regular basis.

“There’s a segment of the shooting community that will shoot at anything that moves,” said John Sullivan, the area’s manager.

National Guard spokeswoman Lt. Col. Stephanie Dowling said she thinks the proposed expansion would help alleviate the problem.

“What’s happened over time, as the population has grown, we get more and more people out there,” said Dowling. “Not everybody uses good safety precautions.”

Idaho is the third-fastest growing state, after only Nevada and Arizona.

Rancher Tom Nicholson sees changes in the range as more people move to Boise 25 miles away, then drive out into this mostly open country looking for fun.

The region is part of a 490,000-acre federal preserve where prairie falcons and eagles soar above, hunting ground squirrels that pop their heads by the thousands above the warming earth.

With just two agents to patrol 4 million acres of desert near Boise, gun enthusiasts regularly defy the ban by shooting squirrels, protected birds and even grazing cattle, park officials say.

Little chance of arrest
Because money is already stretched thin, land management agents generally only cite illegal shooters they catch in the act. A photographer recently captured what looked to be a squirrel gunner in a restricted part of the conservation area, but even in that case, chances of prosecution are slim.

“If that was a photo of sufficient clarity that we could identify him, we would seek to prosecute,” Sullivan said.

Fewer than 10 people per year are ticketed for illegal shooting in the area of the park, said Sullivan. A citation carries a penalty of up to a $1,000 fine and a year in prison.

Mark Fuller, director of the Rapter Research Center at Boise State University, estimates that dozens of protected birds are shot annually in the park, including in the restricted area.

Birds, livestock in cross hairs, too
He said the long-term negative effects on the park’s 24 bird species populations haven’t yet been documented.

Nicholson, who owns thousands of cattle that graze in the park, said shooters kill several each year.

He’s remarkably forgiving, especially for someone who is out more than $1,000 every time a cow dies.

“It’s public land,” Nicholson said. “They have as much right to be on the range as we do.”

Shotguns, which have a shorter range, are still allowed in the area.

The situation was even worse before the rifle-and-pistol ban in 1996, Sullivan said.

Soldiers training for missions in Iraq or other war zones are only looking for simulated battles, he said — not real bullets whizzing their way.

“It was like World War III on the weekends,” he said.

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17964382/

LaoSexMachine
04-07-2007, 02:34 PM
Repost .

Firetxmi
04-07-2007, 02:36 PM
oops...Sorry.

stuntman
04-07-2007, 02:41 PM
Wouldn't that be good training??? And no I am not serious..

Hollis
04-07-2007, 02:47 PM
oops...Sorry.


LOLOL, you already posted in the other thread. Short term memory loss is a sign of old age,

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109035

Firetxmi
04-07-2007, 02:56 PM
LOLOL, you already posted in the other thread. Short term memory loss is a sign of old age,

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109035

Yeah bud, I posted in it AFTER I was told this was a repost.

Look at the times on each post in question.

Hollis
04-07-2007, 03:18 PM
Yeah bud, I posted in it AFTER I was told this was a repost.

Look at the times on each post in question.


Hey, isn't that is how it is done, I am trying to figure out how this arm chair quarterbacking is done. Shouldn't you have been able to predict the future, anticipate it?

Yes!! Look at the times, the other post has been around for what, several days? How did you miss it?

Imagine if you where President, Task tsk.

Sort of a Kerry thing yo guys have, I guess, "I posted it before I posted in the other one" sort of thing, Kind like voting for before voting against. I still haven't figured that logic out yet. So please be patient with me. :hug:

Firetxmi
04-07-2007, 03:28 PM
Hey, isn't that is how it is done, I am trying to figure out how this arm chair quarterbacking is done. Shouldn't you have been able to predict the future, anticipate it?

Not sure what you're trying to get at here



Yes!! Look at the times, the other post has been around for what, several days? How did you miss it?

Thought this was more of a political issue, didn't think to look in OT&H.


Imagine if you where President, Task tsk.

Don't know why you added this here. Inflammatory comment?



Sort of a Kerry thing yo guys have, I guess, "I posted it before I posted in the other one" sort of thing, Kind like voting for before voting against. I still haven't figured that logic out yet. So please be patient with me. :hug:

Don't understand the point of this comment either.

I didn't see it was posted before. If you want to crucify me for that go ahead. Once I was told it was a repost, I apologized and directed my comments into the appropriate thread (the thread that was posted before this one).

Heaven forbid you ever repost something Hollis, heaven forbid.
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Rictor
04-07-2007, 03:40 PM
So there's actually idiots out there who are stupid enough to shoot at US military tanks?

...if they tried that anywhere else, their life expectancy would be very short indeed.

vinny_121_ND
04-07-2007, 08:05 PM
if these reckless shooters did this in iraq or afghanistan, ... I don't know what the outcome of those actions would be.

noname
04-08-2007, 11:35 AM
Never bring a gun to a tank fight.p-)

uglybaby
04-08-2007, 01:28 PM
let the tankers shoot back. I'm pretty sure one or two incidents would take care of that problem. Amazing how a few aholes can spoil things for everyone isn't?

PPSH41
04-08-2007, 01:43 PM
Amazing how a few aholes can spoil things for everyone isn't?

It gets old having laws made for what the stupidest idiot might do. Punishing everyone for the actions of a few idiots isn't really solving the problem, especially when their actions were already illegal. Seems to happen a lot nowdays..."well we're too lazy to hire some more officers to actually enforce the laws, so lets make it more illegalerer/take it away from everyone."

Firetxmi
04-08-2007, 01:49 PM
It gets old having laws made for what the stupidest idiot might do. Punishing everyone for the actions of a few idiots isn't really solving the problem, especially when their actions were already illegal. Seems to happen a lot nowdays..."well we're too lazy to hire some more officers to actually enforce the laws, so lets make it more illegalerer/take it away from everyone."

Thats why I said this in the other forum about the same topic:


Here is how I view this:

As a hunter and a shooting sportsman it is my duty to the sport to stop these idiots. These guys make it even easier for the Gov. (federal, state, and local) to press for stricter gun measures. If they start showing the uninformed Joe Blow the big bad things that ALL (yes, I know it is a small portion- but it gives us all a bad name) these hunters and sportsmen are doing, it is that much easier for the public to support these types of bills.

Not to mention the fact that intentionally or unintentionally they are shooting at our service members.

I hope everyone who enjoys shooting a gun will understand my point of view.

Link:http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109035&highlight=Idaho

Stop 'em before they ruin it for everyone!

Dakota435
04-08-2007, 06:34 PM
Now THIS is an entertaining thread...