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PPSH41
04-09-2007, 04:40 PM
D.C. Appeals to Keep Gun Ban

By SARAH KARUSH
Associated Press Writer


April 9, 2007, 4:05 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- District of Columbia officials warned a federal appeals court Monday that its rejection of the city's handgun ban creates a precedent that could severely limit gun control.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 last month that some of the district's gun control provisions are unconstitutional. The court rejected the city's argument that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies only to state militias.

It was the first time a federal appeals court struck down gun control regulations on Second Amendment grounds.

Lawyers for the district argued in a motion Monday that the decision contradicts Supreme Court rulings and the decisions of other federal appeals courts.

If the ruling stands, "it will severely limit the authority of both the District government and Congress to legislate in ways that they believe will best protect citizens and law-enforcement officers from gun violence," the city's lawyers wrote.

The city is seeking a new hearing before all 11 judges of the appeals court.

"We don't blame the city for trying," said Alan Gura, an attorney for the six plaintiffs, residents of high-crime neighborhoods who wanted guns for protection. "The result is not going to change."

Opponents of the ban say it prevents people from taking measures to protect themselves and their families. They say the high crime rates in the three decades that the laws have been on the books prove the restrictions are ineffective.

Mayor Adrian M. Fenty said losing the restrictions would be a blow to crime-fighting efforts. The city logged 169 homicides last year, down from 196 in 2005.

"More guns very simply lead to more violence," he said outside the courthouse.

Washington and Chicago are the only two major U.S. cities with sweeping handgun bans. The D.C. gun laws remain in effect while the case is being appealed.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-dc-gun-ban,0,4287803.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Laworkerbee
04-09-2007, 04:50 PM
Crybabies :roll:

I mean it has not worked for so long why the fear of trying something different and letting citizens protect themselves?

Self Defense is a human right that should be defended

PPSH41
04-09-2007, 04:55 PM
Crybabies :roll:

I mean it has not worked for so long why the fear of trying something different and letting citizens protect themselves?

Self Defense is a human right that should be defended

No kidding. Theres enough laws on the books regarding firearms. If they were actually enforced, there wouldnt be a problem. These stupid "blanket" bans do nothing but leave the law abiding citizen defenseless.

seraosha
04-09-2007, 05:18 PM
Not here in Texas! p-)

Hunterhr
04-09-2007, 06:00 PM
DC appeals to keep gun ban...

...citing the low number of crimes committed with guns during the ban of course. :roll:

onefast93z28
04-09-2007, 06:02 PM
Crybabies :roll:

I mean it has not worked for so long why the fear of trying something different and letting citizens protect themselves?

Self Defense is a human right that should be defended

It was never about guns, it's about control of the people.

Geezah
04-09-2007, 08:27 PM
Mayor Adrian M. Fenty said losing the restrictions would be a blow to crime-fighting efforts. The city logged 169 homicides last year, down from 196 in 2005.

"More guns very simply lead to more violence," he said outside the courthouse.


http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-dc-gun-ban,0,4287803.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

I like the way the knobcheese lumps all the law abiding firearm owners into his sweeping statement.

jeffe
04-09-2007, 09:55 PM
My God! We can't trust the common people with firearms. Next thing you know, they'll want to be productive, take care of themselves, and lead their own lives!

Invisigoth
04-10-2007, 04:03 AM
Well, setting aside the emotional issues here, isn't a drop in gun-related deaths from 2005 to 2006 proof of at least some measurable success?

perdurabo
04-10-2007, 07:55 AM
Not here in Texas! p-)
BTW sorry for of topic, but how are gun laws in Alaska?

Zarathustra
04-10-2007, 07:58 AM
What does it change ? Lots of place in Texas are way safer than Anacostia D.C. Gun ban or not. Blame the people instead.

Geezah
04-10-2007, 08:01 AM
Well, setting aside the emotional issues here, isn't a drop in gun-related deaths from 2005 to 2006 proof of at least some measurable success?


Are you kidding, it's taken 30+yrs to see something good come out of a gun ban?????????

Hunterhr
04-10-2007, 09:19 AM
Well, setting aside the emotional issues here, isn't a drop in gun-related deaths from 2005 to 2006 proof of at least some measurable success?

Seeing as how the ban's been in place for 30 years, no.

Durandal
04-10-2007, 09:59 AM
WASHINGTON -- District of Columbia officials warned a federal appeals court Monday that its rejection of the city's handgun ban creates a precedent that could severely limit gun control.

Damn straight!

This has suddenly become THE fight right now in gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment.

That said, we also have a Supreme Court that has ruled in favor eminent domain to benefit private individuals (not solely the State) which is about as contrary to the Constitution as it gets...with maybe the exception of jailing people with no trail.

We've needed this fight for a long time. Time to show these anti-gun big government types that they cannot simply walk over our freedoms.

Durandal
04-10-2007, 10:06 AM
BTW sorry for of topic, but how are gun laws in Alaska?

Pretty much Federal laws only, though they do have local government preemption, which allows local populations to determine the law in regards to gun ownership and other issues having nothing to do with firearms.

Ohio had that, but last November/December the State House and Senate finally got off their @sses and ended it. No the gun laws are the same regardless of where you live in Ohio.

Which could be a good thing or a bad thing. Since, statistically speaking, most of the crime and pro-gun control types were in the cities (and northern Ohio :) ) there really weren't that many issues. You risk becoming an Illinois where the larger cities write gun control laws that poorly suit the rest of the rural part of the States.

That said, Alaska has liberal (in the traditional sense) gun laws.

Like a good chunk of the States in the U.S.

Invisigoth
04-10-2007, 10:28 AM
Seeing as how the ban's been in place for 30 years, no.

Ah misunderstood. Thought it had come into place recently. My bad.

PPSH41
04-10-2007, 02:38 PM
What does it change ? Lots of place in Texas are way safer than Anacostia D.C. Gun ban or not. Blame the people instead.

You're right, but the anti-gun movement here in the states tries to equate firearms with violence. Like suddenly if you took the guns away, everyone would be happy and there wouldnt be any more violence.

Mr. JOSHUA
04-10-2007, 02:40 PM
You're right, but the anti-gun movement here in the states tries to equate firearms with violence. Like suddenly if you took the guns away, everyone would be happy and there wouldnt be any more violence.


......X2

.......There is plenty of potential violence to be had with a paper clip, anyone wanna start a political group to ban all paper clips?