M9 pistol

[china_police]

Is the M9 pistol only being used within the US military? Does any other departments of the US goverment use them?

[Biglug]

M9 is the military nomenclature for it. Outside of the military, agencies using them would have actual Beretta 92 versions either in FS (single and double action with a safety) or decocker versions without the safety function and either SA/DA or straight DA.:) There are law enforcement agencies that still use them around the US and some using 96 versions (.40 cal) instead, but that is by the agencies discretion.

I'm monarch of my own kingdom (my house) and my security forces (me) use them, does that count?rofl

[yska08]

M9 is the military nomenclature for it. Outside of the military, agencies using them would have actual Beretta 92 versions either in FS (single and double action with a safety) or decocker versions without the safety function and either SA/DA or straight DA.:) There are law enforcement agencies that still use them around the US and some using 96 versions (.40 cal) instead, but that is by the agencies discretion.

I'm monarch of my own kingdom (my house) and my security forces (me) use them, does that count?rofl


Most agencies use the Glock or the HK USP/P2000/P8, don't they?

[Biglug]

Most agencies use the Glock or the HK USP/P2000/P8, don't they?

Alot of agencies do use Glocks, mostly in .40 cal versions, but it is by their discretion.
I haven't seen too many agencies using HK's at all except for MP5 versions in their swat teams. There just too expensive most of the time for their budget.
I'd say most today seem to be either using Glocks or Sig's.

[yska08]

Alot of agencies do use Glocks, mostly in .40 cal versions, but it is by their discretion.
I haven't seen too many agencies using HK's at all except for MP5 versions in their swat teams. There just too expensive most of the time for their budget.
I'd say most today seem to be either using Glocks or Sig's.


You are right about the HK. Well german police is using the p2000 and the german army is using the HK P8. German government has money to spend hahaharofl

[MetroN]

In norway the police use S&W .38 revolvers, but there was some rumor that they were gonna switch too HK P30.

[baboon6]

There are so many law enforcement agencies in the US (federal, state and local) that I'm sure an exhaustive list of what they use is almost impossible.

[yska08]

In norway the police use S&W .38 revolvers, but there was some rumor that they were gonna switch too HK P30.

In the Netherlands they use the pre-historic Walther P-8 rofl :|

[onefast93z28]

New Jersey state police used to issue the HK P7, not sure if they still do. Florida Highway Patrol issues the Beretta 96.

Glock model 22s are very common as are Sig P226s. Believe it or not the M1911 is makeing a comback in US Law Enforcement. I also know of departments that use six-shooters, Rugers, H&Ks, Springfield Armory XDs, and more. And these are just some departments in Florida, let alone the rest of the US.

There are quite a few departments that allows Officers to carry any of a long list of approved sidearms.

[yska08]

New Jersey state police used to issue the HK P7, not sure if they still do. Florida Highway Patrol issues the Beretta 96.

Glock model 22s are very common as are Sig P226s. Believe it or not the M1911 is makeing a comback in US Law Enforcement. I also know of departments that use six-shooters, Rugers, H&Ks, Springfield Armory XDs, and more. And these are just some departments in Florida, let alone the rest of the US.

There are quite a few departments that allows Officers to carry any of a long list of approved sidearms.


Are they allowed to choose their own(personal) or is one brand issued to all officers?

[onefast93z28]

It depends on the department. Some issue a standard sidearm (For example the department I work with issues only the Glock 22) while others will have a list of several that have meet their standards. SOme departments only require your sidearm to be a certin caliber or larger. An example is another local department will let it's Officers carry any sidearm as long as it's .40 or larger, it can be Glock, Sig, Beretta, Colt, etc.

Does that answer your question?

[yska08]

It depends on the department. Some issue a standard sidearm (For example the department I work with issues only the Glock 22) while others will have a list of several that have meet their standards. SOme departments only require your sidearm to be a certin caliber or larger. An example is another local department will let it's Officers carry any sidearm as long as it's .40 or larger, it can be Glock, Sig, Beretta, Colt, etc.

Does that answer your question?

That is a lot of freedom. But it comes only naturaly to me. No one is build the same and therefore the results with handguns will be not the same. With multiple firearms to choose from everyone can get his/her pick of gun, to get the best results with.

Thanx for your answer!

[lt tahoe]

There are so many law enforcement agencies in the US (federal, state and local) that I'm sure an exhaustive list of what they use is almost impossible.

Very true. Hell, where I grew up (Washington, DC) we had probably a dozen different agencies with gun-carrying members walking around - Metropolitan Police, Transit Police, Capitol Police, US Park Police, FBI, Secret Service (uniformed and non), US Marshals, etc. etc.

I wouldn't want to try and catalog all the firearms issued by those agencies, and that's just in one city in this country!

[wicked_hind]

Believe it or not the M1911 is makeing a comback in US Law Enforcement.

You got that right. My uncle's friend back home is a deputy sheriff and he still carries a M1911. That's one of many gun designs that are going to stick around for awhile.

[GAC]

You got that right. My uncle's friend back home is a deputy sheriff and he still carries a M1911. That's one of many gun designs that are going to stick around for awhile.
Not a pistol but I saw this thing on the military channel where this Sheriff carries an old thompson instead of an M16 in his car. I just found that interesting.

[punchinout]

An example is another local department will let it's Officers carry any sidearm as long as it's .40 or larger, it can be Glock, Sig, Beretta, Colt, etc.


x2, i get a lot of LEO's in and seems like Sig, Glock, Beretta and HK are very popular. Beretta has stopped producing the 92FS/M9 and they are tryin to promote the 90-Two.

a lot of .40's as back ups too, we get some officers lookin for a decent back up in .40. glocks and hk's.

[LaoSexMachine]

I like my Beretta.

[yska08]

What handgun does the China police units use?

[Mastermind]

What handgun does the China police units use?
Probably the most modern rip-offs..what ever they use. And, I am willing to bet they are of excellent quality. Chinese stuff is becoming quite good.

[Seraphim]

Im guessing they use a Makarov of some sort.

[isthvan]

What handgun does the China police units use?

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg199-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg121-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg122-e.htm

[gaijinsamurai]

I believe LAPD uses the Beretta. Perhaps someone from LA can correct me if I'm mistaken.
In Oregon, Glocks and SIGs seem to be the most common.

[china_police]

What handgun does the China police units use?

Actually it depends on the budget of the police department. Police equipment from different provinces may varies.

The police mainly use the Type 77 pistol, some deparments are equipped with the Type 92 pistol. The 9mm revolver has recently introduced in limited service in few provinces, mainly for the patrol officers. However, I have heard complaints from colleagues about the new gun.

[china_police]

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg199-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg121-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg122-e.htm

Type 77B pistol is only for export. I haven't seen it being equipped in China.

[Durandal]

Damn, is that Type 92 really DA only?

[Mastermind]

YES! I had to double read the description. It is all DA and has a kind of double safety. A .38 at 720fps is not much of a man-stopper. But, then I would not want to get hit by it. Also, the rubber bullets seemed like an odd thing..."Less lethal" description seems a bit creepy. They should do like they did the Mexican police in (the city I forget right now) issuing them rubber sling shots. I mean...really, if you are going to carry a pistol...you are just asking to get smacked bad some day carrying a pitiful little thing like this. Personally, I would rather just carry a TASER or pepper spray than this little shooter.

[kraut783]

U.S. Military also use the m-11, Sig P228. Army CI and Army CID. Not sure about the other branches.

[Ravage]

SEALs use Sigs, saw some photos of Rangers from Astan with Sigs. Dev (during the Karzai assasination atempt) was using Sigs - bet they still do.

[MetroN]

Dev = Devgru?

[Ravage]

Sir ! Yes Sir !

[MetroN]

Dont call me Sir, Im not even old enough to vote yet!

Sorry for being off topic, BTW.

[OldRecon]

In norway the police use S&W .38 revolvers, but there was some rumor that they were gonna switch too HK P30.

There was a major procurement scandal about this in the news some way back if I remember correctly :roll:?

[MetroN]

There was a major procurement scandal about this in the news some way back if I remember correctly :roll:?

What do you mean by "procurement scandale"? I havent heard of anything...

Once, in the 9th grade I think, we had a Norwegian police officer in class who talked about drugs and stuff. I asked him what he thought about the firearms currently in service with the police. He said that the MP5 was great, but the S&W was to old (his opinion). He would rather replace it with a new model pistol.

[Durandal]

YES! I had to double read the description. It is all DA and has a kind of double safety. A .38 at 720fps is not much of a man-stopper. But, then I would not want to get hit by it. Also, the rubber bullets seemed like an odd thing..."Less lethal" description seems a bit creepy. They should do like they did the Mexican police in (the city I forget right now) issuing them rubber sling shots. I mean...really, if you are going to carry a pistol...you are just asking to get smacked bad some day carrying a pitiful little thing like this. Personally, I would rather just carry a TASER or pepper spray than this little shooter.

Yeah, I have to admit, I sort of loath DA only.

[Chulo]

now that is a nifty feature.. any other pistol do that?
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9527/type77b327061cjk3.jpg
NORINCO Model 77B pistol, showing its single hand slide cycling capability (using front of the trigger guard)

i wonder if i can buy one here in u.s


edit.. http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/PRC-M-77B.shtm found it.. 230$ CN .. cheap..

[Durandal]

It'll only be available in the U.S. if it was imported here before the ban on Norinco/Chinese produced weapons.

That said I think this is more gimmick than anything else.

[nemrac]

i think your right the L.A.P.D do use the beretta as do the U.S. postal police.

[Chulo]

It'll only be available in the U.S. if it was imported here before the ban on Norinco/Chinese produced weapons.

That said I think this is more gimmick than anything else.
yea, it would be an intresting conversation piece.. not a carry piece..

[Biglug]

now that is a nifty feature.. any other pistol do that?
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9527/type77b327061cjk3.jpg
NORINCO Model 77B pistol, showing its single hand slide cycling capability (using front of the trigger guard)

i wonder if i can buy one here in u.s


edit.. http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/PRC-M-77B.shtm found it.. 230$ CN .. cheap..

Too much possibility of the slide opening when you don't want it to if the trigger guard got caught on something in movement somewhere for me.
I like to stick to as much K.I.S.S. as possible when it comes to firearms and gear from experience and this goes too much away from it for my tastes.
I'll stick with my Beretta's, plus you can always **** the slide with one hand using your body against the top pf the slide. I don't keep my pistol unloaded either and there is the slide release for reloading.
Plus they look damn nice next to my M1A soon to be M1A's.:)

[UPTOWN1]

A lot of police and military agencies are using the M9 or the Beretta 92f variants. It may be less in penetration and power but it compensates thru its high capacity magazines. Personally I prefer a single stack .45 rather than a staggered 9mm.

[Biglug]

A lot of police and military agencies are using the M9 or the Beretta 92f variants. It may be less in penetration and power but it compensates thru its high capacity magazines. Personally I prefer a single stack .45 rather than a staggered 9mm.

The way I see it, it may be less in penetration, energy delivered, wound cavity and tissue damage compared to rifle rounds, but these day modern defensive loads have really evened out alot of the differences between pistol rounds for as much as there really was before. There can be differences, but not really to an amount that would drastically change them still being just pistol rounds.
Arguments on this have gone on for years though, on and off the net and I'm sure they will for years to come.:cantbeli:
I know I've always prefered the extra capacity of high cap 9mm's compared to the extra size of a .45.
A person should be more concerned with what they feel comfortable with and can shoot best I think, but a pistol is no supplement for rifle.
It's hard to conceal a rifle and put it in a holster on your belt though. (sarcasm)rofl



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[UPTOWN1]

Very well said sir. You are correct with that statement, its how you find certain pistols as carry worthy. In my 3 years of service in local law enforcement in my country I find it more comfortable to carry my Colt .45 than what my office issues (Glock 19).

[Douros81]

Is the M9 pistol only being used within the US military? Does any other departments of the US goverment use them?

In the USA, Sig Sauer and Glock have the biggest market share for LE weapons. The Feds mainly use Sig Sauer pistols, hence the new DAK tigger. As for State and local LE I would Sig and Glock. Glock is big because they are cheap. The dept my friend works for trades their Glock every four years for new ones and it only cost them about $200 for a new Glock. I think that ICE still use the Beretta 96G. There are to mant depts to count. There are over 100 dept in St. Louis County, plus St. Louis County Police, which use the Sig 229

[UPTOWN1]

Well the US Military does issue the M9 to its personnel....but for certain federal agencies they do however issue different pistols (US Secret Service uses Sig Sauer .357,US Marshall Service uses a Glock .40, etc.)
For some military units,like the Army's SFOD (DELTA Force),they give a stipend to its operators to purchase and upgrade their own carry pistols (which they prefer the Colt Delta Elite or Colt .45 series)

By the way the Navy Seals issue a sig Sauer.....:)

[MetroN]

Just a question about police procedures.

In the Military (or whatever) they seem to use the double-tap or "two shots to the chest, one in the head" methods.

What is the procedure that law enforcment officers use?

And I do know that police isn't supposed to go around killing people like the military (no offense, you know what I mean).

[Laconian]

A short list:
ATF - SIG P226/229 in .40
CBP - H&K P2000 in .40
DEA - Glock 22
FBI - Glock 22 (issued, but there is an approved list and their SWAT guys carry 1911s)
ICE - SIG P229R DAK .40
USMS - Glock 22
US Postal Inspection Service (Inspectors and Postal Police) - SIG P229R DAK .40
Capitol Police, US Secret Service - P229 .357SIG
OSI, NCIS - SIG P228 9mm

There are a bunch of other Fed agencies but these are the ones I thought of off the bat.

NJSP switched from the H&K to the SIG P228 in 9mm a bit ago.
Florida HP issued the Beretta 92, but I'm not sure about now.
Nebraska SP carry the Glock 21.

I have not heard of any state agencies, but I know of more than a few local PD/SOs that switched to the new S&W M&P in .40

MetroN - if lethal force is justified shoot center mass to stop the threat.

[Niels]

In the Netherlands they use the pre-historic Walther P-8 rofl :|
It's the Walther P5 and it's being replaced (probably by the Glock 17). Age doesn't say much. The Browning HP is a lot older and is still being used by a variety of militaries and police forces around the world.

[onefast93z28]

Florida Highway Patrol carries a Beretta 96G these days.

[UPTOWN1]

Just a question about police procedures.

In the Military (or whatever) they seem to use the double-tap or "two shots to the chest, one in the head" methods.

What is the procedure that law enforcment officers use?

And I do know that police isn't supposed to go around killing people like the military (no offense, you know what I mean).[/quote]


Yes sir. The double tap is a common procedure for law enforcement, military and even civilians who do practical shooting. A double tap is that when you engage a hostile and shoot two in the chest (double tap) a third one in the head when he gets up (3rd shot).:)

[Douros81]

A short list:
ATF - SIG P226/229 in .40
CBP - H&K P2000 in .40
DEA - Glock 22
FBI - Glock 22 (issued, but there is an approved list and their SWAT guys carry 1911s)
ICE - SIG P229R DAK .40
USMS - Glock 22
US Postal Inspection Service (Inspectors and Postal Police) - SIG P229R DAK .40
Capitol Police, US Secret Service - P229 .357SIG
OSI, NCIS - SIG P228 9mm

There are a bunch of other Fed agencies but these are the ones I thought of off the bat.

NJSP switched from the H&K to the SIG P228 in 9mm a bit ago.
Florida HP issued the Beretta 92, but I'm not sure about now.
Nebraska SP carry the Glock 21.

I have not heard of any state agencies, but I know of more than a few local PD/SOs that switched to the new S&W M&P in .40

MetroN - if lethal force is justified shoot center mass to stop the threat.

The S&W M&P is ok, not great. But why not just get a Glock. S&W has lost a lot of the market to Sig and Glock. S&W got the market back in the early 1990's because almost every dept carried M686s in 357 mag. S&W autos are not the best, they suck. Its like shooting a brick.

[war1944]

In norway the police use S&W .38 revolvers, but there was some rumor that they were gonna switch too HK P30.

Same as Hong Kong using the S&W .38 revolvers when I was lived there. The S&W already stop making parts of these kind of gun. And They are starting to change to GLOCK ( for what version I don't know) . That's a funny case that in training , there is a police lady shoot her legs using a GLOCK.

Any Idea Norway police will change the .38 revolvers?

[MetroN]

Nope, it was just a rumor of some sort. After the Nokas robbery (heavily armed robbers stole lots of money, shot and killed one police officer) a debate about the weaponary that Norway's police use (MP5 and .38's) was enough.... The prime minister said "that only the best weapons were good enough for the police".... and suddenly it said on HKPRO.COM that the Norwegian justice department or something were placing and ordrer on the HKP30.... more I dont know....


But it wouldnt surprise me if they choose HK.