Abstinence-Only Programs Don’t Work, Study Finds

[Beast]

Students who participated in ******-abstinence education programs partially funded by the federal government were just as likely to have ***, and had the same number of ****** partners, as those who did not take part in the programs, a federally mandated report said today.

Both groups of youths—those who participated in abstinence education, and those who participated in other health education programs available in their areas—had a median age of first intercourse of 14 years and 9 months.

However, those students who participated in the abstinence programs were just as likely to use contraception as those who did not. Some critics of abstinence education programs have argued that they reduce rates of contraception usage.

“We didn’t see any effects, either good or bad,” from abstinence education, said Christopher Trenholm, the lead researcher for the study, conducted by Mathematica Policy Research Inc. of Princeton, N.J.

Bush administration officials cautioned against drawing sweeping conclusions from the study. They said the four programs reviewed—among several hundred across the nation—were some of the first established after Congress overhauled the nation’s welfare laws in 1996.

Officials said one lesson they learned from the study is that the abstinence message should be reinforced in subsequent years to truly affect behavior.

“This report confirms that these interventions are not like vaccines. You can’t expect one dose in middle school, or a small dose, to be protective all throughout the youth’s high school career,” Harry Wilson, the commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau at the Administration for Children and Families in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, said in an interview with the Associated Press.

For its study, released April 13, Mathematica looked at students in four abstinence programs as well as peers from the same communities who did not participate in the abstinence programs. The 2,057 youths came from Miami and Milwaukee and the rural communities of Powhatan, Va., and Clarksdale, Miss.

The students who participated in abstinence education did so for one to three years. Their average age was 11 to 12 when they entered the programs in 1999.

Mathematica did a follow-up survey in late 2005 and early 2006. By that time, the average age of the participants was about 16½. Researchers found that about half of the abstinence students and about half from the control group reported that they had remained abstinent.
Political Climate

Congress uses three different programs to finance abstinence education. The largest, the Community Based Abstinence Education grant program, provides money directly to public and private groups through the Community-Based Abstinence Education grant program. President Bush’s proposed budget for fiscal 2008 would set aside $137 million for that program, currently funded at $109 million.

The second-largest pot of money, $50 million, goes through the states, which match that funding with $3 for every $4 they get from the federal government. The programs teach that *** outside marriage is likely to be psychologically and physically harmful. Eight states have declined to take part in the grant program. ("States Turn Down Abstinence-Only Grants," March 28, 2007.)

The programs must follow eight specific guidelines, including teaching that abstinence “is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, ******ly transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems” and that “a mutually faithful, monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of ****** activity.”

The Mathematica findings could have serious implications as Congress considers renewing this summer the state block-grant program for abstinence education, known as Title V of the 1996 welfare reform law.

Democratic lawmakers have introduced legislation to promote comprehensive *** education instead of abstinence-only curricula. They want to send money to schools that stress abstinence while also instructing students about the health benefits and side effects of using contraceptives.

Abstinence-only educators were in Washington this month, in fact, trying to keep Congress from cutting back their programs. The abstinence groups have opened their own trade association near the Capitol and have hired a public relations firm with a long list of Republican and conservative clients.

Valerie Huber, the executive director of the National Abstinence Education Association, said the group’s formation is not a response to the Democrats’ takeover of Congress.

“It really has nothing to do at all with any current political climate, just the evolution of the field of abstinence education,” she said.

“They’ve had smooth sailing for seven years,” said James Wagoner, the president of Advocates for Youth, an organization that promotes comprehensive *** education programs, which teach about contraception. “Their hiring of this firm shows that they know the honeymoon with Congress is over.”

Wade Horn, who oversaw the two largest abstinence-education programs at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services until he stepped down April 6, predicted Congress will give states more flexibility in determining how Title V money is to be spent.

“I think it’s going to evolve, but I don’t think it’s going to go away,” he said. “I’ve seen some bills introduced by Democrats that suggest they want a separate fund dedicated to comprehensive *** education, but my sense is that it won’t be at the expense of abstinence education. I think it’s a matter of both, not one or the other.”

Democratic Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg of New Jersey sponsored the legislation cited by Mr. Horn. He said he does not believe abstinence education is working. His goal is to make both types of programs available, and he believes schools gradually will shift their focus to the comprehensive *** education programs.
Questions on Accuracy

In a report released late last year, the Government Accountability Office, the congressional watchdog agency, said HHS was not reviewing abstinence-education programs for scientific accuracy. ("Abstinence Programs Lack Factual Reviews, GAO Study Concludes," Nov. 29, 2006.)

The GAO also assessed efforts to evaluate the effectiveness of abstinence-education programs, and found much of the research did not meet basic requirements of scientific rigor, such as using a control group or measuring biological outcomes, as opposed to attitudes and intentions.

The department’s written response to the report said all grant recipients are required, as part of their applications, to indicate they are using materials that are grounded in scientific data. In addition, it noted, studies on the effectiveness of abstinence education were under way, including the Mathematica report. A separate legal opinion from the general counsel of the GAO said abstinence programs must include “medically accurate” information about condoms or risk violating federal law. The federal department responded that the programs are not required to talk about condom usage, but must present accurate information about condoms when they do so. ("GAO Opinion Renews Debate on Abstinence-Only Programs," Nov. 1, 2006.)

The federal health agency released a document that clarified some of the rules states must follow when accepting any federal abstinence grant money. The memorandum to applicants stressed that each of the eight rules must be equally covered, the applicants “must not” promote condom or other contraceptive use, and applicants also must not promote or encourage the use of any type of contraceptives outside of marriage or refer to abstinence as a form of contraception.

Mathematica has conducted two other federally funded studies into abstinence-education policy. Results released in June 2005, from the same communities in the final evaluation, said the program had positive results, but that researchers could not yet tell if participants were actually having *** less often than other youths.

An earlier report, released in April 2002, looked at early implementation of the state grant program. At that time, Mathematica researchers determined that the programs offered “more than a single message of abstinence.” Other messages included building self-esteem, developing values, and resisting peer pressure. Most students also reported feeling positive about the programs themselves.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/04/13/33study.h26.html

[futurepilot2004]

Don`t really want to say it but... no sh*t. Most teenagers will always have ***. They should be taught about contraception (the benifits and dangers etc).

[budgie]

Can't wait for the inevitable response from the Right: Mathematica are just a liberal front; they're supporters of the UCLA, closet pedophiles, they work for Jane Fonda...

[name already taken]

Young people age 13 to 19 are at the summit of their hormones.

It's been programmed in our genes for millions of years, for them to have kids before dying early in times when life expectation was much lower than now.

Trying to have them have less parties or no *** is pure waste of time.

[martinexsquaddie]

the idea might work if every student was a Christian like the US right wish to believe in the real world
expecting people to live up to an artifical moral standard is bonkers

[Kilgor]

If you tell teens NOT to do something, the forbidden fruit only looks even more sweet.

[name already taken]

If you tell teens NOT to do something, the forbidden fruit only looks even more sweet.
And usually is rofl

[PPSH41]

Why would these programs ever work when just about everything in our culture and society teaches them otherwise?

[name already taken]

Can't wait for the inevitable response from the Right: Mathematica are just a liberal front; they're supporters of the UCLA, closet pedophiles, they work for Jane Fonda...
Here you are.

[name already taken]

Why would these programs ever work when just about everything in our culture and society teaches them otherwise?
If our culture is so bad, why not let it burn in hell for good ?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Gosh, I wonder how I manage to run my own personal abstinence program. I must be supremely capable. I should just convince the wife that abstinence is only for crazy religious people who try to measure up to some impossible standard, and maybe she'll be OK with me porking everything I can work my way into as long as I wear a condom.

[guja]

That program is waste of money and time.

[Invisigoth]

Stopping teenagers from having pre-marital *** didn't work? Wow, who would've guessed...

[PPSH41]

If our culture is so bad, why not let it burn in hell for good ?

Don't put words in my mouth. I was only stating what I thought is obvious.

[martinexsquaddie]

look around at tv magazines and the net etc etc
and your going to put an abstinence programme against that talk about low odds.
unfortunately a dutch Scandinavian *** ed style class that actually cuts not only teenage pregnancy's but actually highers the age that kids start having ***
is too frank for christian right wingers to deal with

[Firetxmi]

But, hey, lets keep throwing money into something that isn't working! :roll:

[gilgoul]

look around at tv magazines and the net etc etc
and your going to put an abstinence programme against that talk about low odds.
unfortunately a dutch Scandinavian *** ed style class that actually cuts not only teenage pregnancy's but actually highers the age that kids start having ***
is too frank for christian right wingers to deal with

Just like holland doesn`t have higher rates of local pot-heads than the rest of europe.

[Dakota435]

Can't wait for the inevitable response from the Right: Mathematica are just a liberal front; they're supporters of the UCLA, closet pedophiles, they work for Jane Fonda...

As a "right winger" (only on certain topics) with 3 teenagers I agree with Mathematica. The horse was let out of the barn long ago when the culture changed in the 60s.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't teach your kids not to take ****** relationships lightly. They need to understand the emotional pitfalls and long term risks. If boys understood that contraception often fails and that they will be on the hook for good, the smarter ones at least will be a lot more careful.

[name already taken]

The horse was let out of the barn long ago when the culture changed in the 60s.
The pill changed the culture in the 60s.

[Herrmannek]

This research is pure lie made to make a point... I don't know **** about those exact programs, maybe they were only laundering mafia money. But Let assume for a moment Poles aren't different better ubberace from other people(although we know they are). And learn that not so recent* median time of having first intercourse in Poland was ~18 years old compared to the American average of ~14. If not the genes only different culture and different education could cause that. Ergo You generally can teach people control themselves better this way or another...



*I'm old and not really interested in the recent statistics...

[perdurabo]

herman sadly this stathistics is lowering, now prabably its like 16 and in few years it will be 14 like in rest of the "western world", *** showed in movies, magazines etc is realy stripped down only to f* like machine "what to do to have orgasm in 15 minutes" "what positions use to reach haven" like some device push here, tickle there and voila :cantbeli:

[Herrmannek]

herman sadly this stathistics is lowering, now prabably its like 16 and in few years it will be 14 like in rest of the "western world", *** showed in movies, magazines etc is realy stripped down only to f* like machine "what to do to have orgasm in 15 minutes" "what positions use to reach haven" like some device push here, tickle there and voila :cantbeli:

I know this, but it doesn't change the point.

[DaGreatRV]

Just like holland doesn`t have higher rates of local pot-heads than the rest of europe.


That's true. :) I know I can smoke weed legaly, but I don't.
I don't smoke anything at all.


*** ed in school comes to late, but it did clarify stuff. (I was 11yo at the time)

[Dakota435]

The pill changed the culture in the 60s.

Ahhh the time of free love, then disco and the Age of One Night Stands.
Herpes had bit of a dampening effect on the whole deal in the 80s, then AIDS in the 90s. It was way easier to get laid in the 70s than now...

[Roids]

First of all, some of you Europeans need to get out of your head that everyone in the US is part of the "religious right". Even some Republicans don't approve of the religious nuts.

I think the whole teen *** thing is one big charlie foxtrot. The right is in denial that kids are going to have *** at a young age. *** at 14 isn't uncommon anymore and the only people who listen to abstinence only is the religious people. Which is only brought through the family, as no way in hell the public school system is going to give them an religious intervention, quite the opposite. The culture encourages kids to have ***, so there is nothing really they can solve their problem of underage ***.

The left is just being plain stupid in their approach to it. I agree that focus should be protecting kids from diseases and pregnancies but then the left complains how women start to become looked upon only for *** and pleasure. Well what do you expect? Kids haven't even grasped what things like respect, love and loyalty really are at that age, their only listening to their hormones. It takes maturity to have real feelings for another person and some people never reach that point. Especially since modern culture nowadays emphasizes quick and fast relationships. Look at all those crap shows on MTV.

So I don't know if anyone has a solve all solution. The important thing should be protecting kids through making it acceptable to have things like condoms because I don't think the culture will be changing anytime soon.

[Herrmannek]

First of all, some of you Europeans need to get out of your head that everyone in the US is part of the "religious right". Even some Republicans don't approve of the religious nuts.

I think the whole teen *** thing is one big charlie foxtrot. The right is in denial that kids are going to have *** at a young age. *** at 14 isn't uncommon anymore and the only people who listen to abstinence only is the religious people. Which is only brought through the family, as no way in hell the public school system is going to give them an religious intervention, quite the opposite. The culture encourages kids to have ***, so there is nothing really they can solve their problem of underage ***.

The left is just being plain stupid in their approach to it. I agree that focus should be protecting kids from diseases and pregnancies but then the left complains how women start to become looked upon only for *** and pleasure. Well what do you expect? Kids haven't even grasped what things like respect, love and loyalty really are at that age, their only listening to their hormones. It takes maturity to have real feelings for another person and some people never reach that point. Especially since modern culture nowadays emphasizes quick and fast relationships. Look at all those crap shows on MTV.

So I don't know if anyone has a solve all solution. The important thing should be protecting kids through making it acceptable to have things like condoms because I don't think the culture will be changing anytime soon.


If you want child to actually use condom when having 14 you have to start packing it with second breakfast when it will be 10 y. old...

[Roids]

Look I don't want to have kids doing that at a young age but what are we going to do, stick their c*cks in a metal box contraption and give them the key when they're an adult?

[Herrmannek]

Lets say I don't mind people businesses when they don't mind mine. This extends to my tax money I don't want have wasted on thing as expensive and as counterproductive as country sponsored *** education and subsidization of anticonception for wankers that can't hold their wankers dry when needed...

[Roids]

Lets say I don't mind people businesses when they don't mind mine. This extends to my tax money I don't want have wasted on thing as expensive and as counterproductive as country sponsored *** education and subsidization of anticonception for wankers that can't hold their wankers dry when needed...

Thats where you and me both agree. We shouldn't have to pay for a person's choice of lifestyle, what I'm getting at is it should be fine that kids pay for their own condoms. The people shouldn't have to pay for condoms, contraceptives, abortions or any of that because of the choice of a single individual.

[Beast]

Lets say I don't mind people businesses when they don't mind mine. This extends to my tax money I don't want have wasted on thing as expensive and as counterproductive as country sponsored *** education and subsidization of anticonception for wankers that can't hold their wankers dry when needed...

Do you understand that without teaching the kids about safe-*** you are gonna have huge increase in teenager pregnancies that will be a lot more expensive to the goverment than couple-*** ed hours a week in school?

[Roids]

Do you understand that without teaching the kids about safe-*** you are gonna have huge increase in teenager pregnancies that will be a lot more expensive to the goverment than couple-*** ed hours a week in school?

Theirs a thing called abortion.....nobody has any excuse to have kids when they do not want to. We shouldn't even be giving money to people who like to pop out kids when their not economically sound now that we have abortions.

[Beast]

Theirs a thing called abortion.....nobody has any excuse to have kids when they do not want to. We shouldn't even be giving money to people who like to pop out kids when their not economically sound now that we have abortions.

Not in Poland there isn't, if you don't count illegal abortions.


And you think ***-ed in school is bad thing but abortions are OK? Why?

[Herrmannek]

Do you understand that without teaching the kids about safe-*** you are gonna have huge increase in teenager pregnancies that will be a lot more expensive to the goverment than couple-*** ed hours a week in school?
I don't care. And what I understand is that someone wants to steal my money...
Why government, with means ME. must pay for anyones stupidity? Its task of parents to educate their children and pay for any possible damage they inflict, be it damage to property or getting pregnant... This is that simple.

[Roids]

Not in Poland there isn't, if you don't count illegal abortions.


And you think ***-ed in school is bad thing but abortions are OK? Why?

Re-read my posts. I just said that *** ed doesn't solve all of the problems raised with teen ***, but it does solve more than abstinence only. I'm okay with *** ed, however I do not agree with paying for other people.

I agree with Herrmannek in that people who take responsible actions like wrap themselves up or even abstaining should pay for some stupid bloke who gets someone pregnant or doesn't want to buy his own condoms. I think it's unfortunate that people can't get abortions in Poland so you can't decrease some of the stupidity, but it still remains that people shouldn't be responsible for some other idiot's actions.

[name already taken]

look around at tv magazines and the net etc etc
and your going to put an abstinence programme against that talk about low odds.
unfortunately a dutch Scandinavian *** ed style class that actually cuts not only teenage pregnancy's but actually highers the age that kids start having ***
is too frank for christian right wingers to deal with
Unfortunately, in that field it seems you get what you pay for.

[Herrmannek]

Abortion is whole different animal.. I'm "LPR" guy on this...

[martinexsquaddie]

you've already got the highest rate of teenage pregnacys in the west with the uk a close 2nd
so whateverthe plan is at the mo its not working

[Herrmannek]

Who? we? ..............

[alfigel]

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/04/13/33study.h26.html

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[Jobu]

“a separate fund dedicated to comprehensive *** education, but my sense is that it won’t be at the expense of abstinence education. I think it’s a matter of both, not one or the other.”


This sounds like the most sensible course to take.

[CPL Trevoga]

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." King James Version, Genesis 1:28

Abstinence teaching are works of Devil IMHO.

[seraosha]

As the dad of a 14 year old daughter IMO, this study is the epitome of:
"No $hit, Sherlock".

Being upfront and honest with your kids, and making sure they know about the consequences and responsibilities of having *** is a good start. Contraceptives, the actual reliability of them vs abstinence, and how this whole oral *** isn't *** attitude your hear from the kids is BS.

Then sitting down with them at the computer and googling genital warts, AIDS, herpes, and all the wonderful pictures out there depicting STD's...
Hey, she might have nightmares now, but she ain't pregnant...yet.
And if I can keep that going for the next 4 years, please God, she'll make it to adulthood and can live with her own mistakes.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The smart thing to do would seem to be to have a program that tells kids the honest truth. The truth is that condom's don't always work to prevent pregnancy, and they don't always work to prevent STDs. And they never work to prevent the emotional disasters, social problems, turmoil and heartache that go along with pre-mature ***. Just telling a kid to wear a condom and expecting everything to be fine is just as idiotic as just telling them to "say no" while giving them no more information. They're both too far to the extreme left or right to work in the real world which is in the middle.

[JKD]

The smart thing to do would seem to be to have a program that tells kids the honest truth. The truth is that condom's don't always work to prevent pregnancy, and they don't always work to prevent STDs. And they never work to prevent the emotional disasters, social problems, turmoil and heartache that go along with pre-mature ***.
Not sure how it works in other school districts around the country but that's pretty much exactly what I was taught in middle and high school in the early to mid 90's. "You're better off not having *** yet but if you do here are the risks and also how to be as safe as possible about it...."

[akd]

Lets say I don't mind people businesses when they don't mind mine. This extends to my tax money I don't want have wasted on thing as expensive and as counterproductive as country sponsored *** education and subsidization of anticonception for wankers that can't hold their wankers dry when needed...

1. Prove that it is counterproductive.

2. Apparently it is okay for the state to educate your children...just not about ***.

[Kaapeli]

I don't care. And what I understand is that someone wants to steal my money...
Why government, with means ME. must pay for anyones stupidity? Its task of parents to educate their children and pay for any possible damage they inflict, be it damage to property or getting pregnant... This is that simple.

When ignorant teenagers who haven't had proper ***-ed have "accidents" it's you who are going to pay for them through welfare and public healthcare expenses.

In the end it's much cheaper to teach kids about safe *** in school than not to.

[perdurabo]

When ignorant teenagers who haven't had proper ***-ed have "accidents" it's you who are going to pay for them through welfare and public healthcare expenses.

In the end it's much cheaper to teach kids about safe *** in school than not to.
knowing Herman he is aginst public health care and public schools...p-)

[Herrmannek]

When ignorant teenagers who haven't had proper ***-ed have "accidents" it's you who are going to pay for them through welfare and public healthcare expenses.

In the end it's much cheaper to teach kids about safe *** in school than not to.

Their parents... And even if there will be some help from the country, sponsoring few hundreds of such pregnancies at most if everyone would be eligible is much cheaper than sponsoring the ***-edu money eating machine... And yes I'm against public schools(maybe except elementary) and public health care...

[akd]

Their parents... And even if there will be some help from the country, sponsoring few hundreds of such pregnancies at most if everyone would be eligible is much cheaper than sponsoring the ***-edu money eating machine... And yes I'm against public schools(maybe except elementary) and public health care...

Then why are you going on about what the state should and shouldn't teach students?

[perdurabo]

because only few like me and Herman are aginst public schools and moust of our society can't even imagine private school so if we can't change big things we should try to change atleast small things, to be a step closer to ours visions :)

[Herrmannek]

Then why are you going on about what the state should and shouldn't teach students?

Because state spends MY money... And I don't like seeing MY MONEY being wasted by others on others . State money is a lie, there is no such thing as state money...

[SBL]

Because state spends MY money... And I don't like seeing MY MONEY being wasted by others on others . State money is a lie, there is no such thing as state money...


Gotta pay taxes, bro.

[perdurabo]

Gotta pay taxes, bro.
yes but if I pay them I wolud like to have controll over them, also if not all those stupid ideas taxes would be much smaller as only things needed are like military, courts, police, fire dep., goverment etc rest like health care or schools can be provided by private sector prabably with better quality and price.

[Firetxmi]

schools can be provided by private sector prabably with better quality and price.

And what about the poor, should they not have a chance at an education so as to better themselves and bring themselves out of poverty?

[SBL]

yes but if I pay them I wolud like to have controll over them, also if not all those stupid ideas taxes would be much smaller as only things needed are like military, courts, police, fire dep., goverment etc rest like health care or schools can be provided by private sector prabably with better quality and price.

That's called wishful thinking. p-)

[Herrmannek]

And what about the poor, should they not have a chance at an education so as to better themselves and bring themselves out of poverty?

Most of the poor are lazy bums, when the state money will be over they will go to work or die. Then remaining amount of actually really poor people can be covered by private foundations.. With for the sake of their existence will spend my money wisely because if not they will not get my money at all...

[Belrick]

Teenage *** is soo friggen dangerous. I'm seriously scared for my daughter. I want her to reach adulthood and be able to make choices not have the choice made for her by raging hormones leading to a screaming baby.

Bring back chaperones and asking permission from the parents! Ban same *** schools!

[Firetxmi]

Most of the poor are lazy bums, when the state money will be over they will go to work or die. Then remaining amount of actually really poor people can be covered by private foundations.. With for the sake of their existence will spend my money wisely because if not they will not get my money at all...

That does not answer my question about education.

As for most of the poor being lazy bums. I don't see that. I see many working poor who cannot obtain better, or higher paying jobs because of a lack of education.

[alfigel]

Most of the poor are lazy bums, when the state money will be over they will go to work or die. Then remaining amount of actually really poor people can be covered by private foundations.. With for the sake of their existence will spend my money wisely because if not they will not get my money at all...

Wow, that's Social Darwinism par excellence...

[Herrmannek]

That does not answer my question about education.

As for most of the poor being lazy bums. I don't see that. I see many working poor who cannot obtain better, or higher paying jobs because of a lack of education.

You probably need to redefine poor...

[Firetxmi]

You probably need to redefine poor...

What is your definition?

The U.S. government I believe defines it as anyone who makes less than 18,000 a year (before taxes).

[Firetxmi]

...........

[Herrmannek]

What is your definition?

The U.S. government I believe defines it as anyone who makes less than 18,000 a year (before taxes).

If someone goes to sleep in his own bed with stomach full he is not poor...

[akd]

Most of the poor are lazy bums, when the state money will be over they will go to work or die. Then remaining amount of actually really poor people can be covered by private foundations.. With for the sake of their existence will spend my money wisely because if not they will not get my money at all...

You are way out of your depth on this topic bro. Needless to say, you demonstrating a remarkable degree of ignorance on multiple topics.

[Herrmannek]

You are way out of your depth on this topic bro. Needless to say, you demonstrating a remarkable degree of ignorance on multiple topics.
Educate me...

[perdurabo]

Herrmanek altough I know you have right sorry mate there is not enough ppl that are ready to live without state "pillow" under their asses, social bull**** sadly allways wins.

[artistoli]

Damn it people! I'm right wing and can't even spell absti....nen..se..eh? If anyone can find something to stop a young guy jumping on board a young, cute, firm, pert teen girl whos hornier than a bunny on heat after a few beers at a high school party then they are, well, frankly in possesion of a rather scary amount of power and inteligence and should be locked up for the safety of all of us ***-lovin' peoples!

[name already taken]

Damn it people! I'm right wing and can't even spell absti....nen..se..eh? If anyone can find something to stop a young guy jumping on board a young, cute, firm, pert teen girl whos hornier than a bunny on heat after a few beers at a high school party then they are, well, frankly in possesion of a rather scary amount of power and inteligence and should be locked up for the safety of all of us ***-lovin' peoples!
Nothing. Pure waste of time (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2435183&postcount=4) to think otherwise.

[8thidpathfinderpower]

Abstinance is a government program sponsored by the religous movement across the country to cut down on teen pregnancy.

But what it actually does is promote UNSAFE ***....spreading of disease, and other types of counter productive behavior, and also promotes more violent *** crimes.