great read about Imus and Hip Hop.....

[bugkill]

i just came across this article and i think this guy has hit it on the head about the imus story and people trying to cry "double standard" when it concerns rap. very good read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=boyd/070416&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1

[Chulo]

Yet Imus and hip-hop really don't have much in common. Imus was host of a radio show that focused on the real news of the day, while hip-hop is a fictionalized form of cultural expression. Imus is real, featuring real guests and humor based on real topics. However loudly hip-hop might claim to be real, it is not real; it is a form of representation. This is why so few rappers use the names on their birth certificates when performing. Rappers are in essence characters performing a fictional life. Though the culture is rooted in the notion and style of authenticity, it is decidedly fictional.

what crap.. Imus was a shockjock.. and everyone knows that Rap is a lifestyle , not just fictional. and that people idolize and copy rappers, you cant say Rap is not part of the culture or that alot of negative aspects of culture is rooted and praised by rap

[2Sheds_Jackson]

This whole thing is a massive exercise in hypocrisy. A man of Imus' age and experience should have known that we cannot accept jokes made at the expense of any minority group. For example, it's perfectly acceptable to say that white men can't jump - hell, make a movie about it - but make similar jokes at other group's expense and the usual suspects will be outraged as long as there's a camera around.

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."“White folks was in caves while we was building empires ... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” <- case in point, Al Sharpton, who you'll note, still has a radio show.

[Chulo]

This whole thing is a massive exercise in hypocrisy. A man of Imus' age and experience should have known that we cannot accept jokes made at the expense of any minority group. For example, it's perfectly acceptable to say that white men can't jump - hell, make a movie about it - but make similar jokes at other group's expense and the usual suspects will be outraged as long as there's a camera around.

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."“White folks was in caves while we was building empires ... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” <- case in point, Al Sharpton, who you'll note, still has a radio show.
dont forget they also built the prymids.. <now weather they were slaves when they did that they dont say..but egyptiansare not africans.>

[el borracho]

True, I hate how people buy into that misconception. Not everyone from Africa is black. Not every black is African. It's just a skin color anyway. If you want to break it down by race, most blacks in the US can trace their ancestry back to the west coast of Africa from roughly the present locations of Liberia down to the Congo. So them claiming the lineage to ancient Egyptians is as ridiculous as me (of Portuguese ancestry) taking credit for the Russian conquest of central Asia...I mean, we're both white, right?

[bugkill]

what crap.. Imus was a shockjock.. and everyone knows that Rap is a lifestyle , not just fictional. and that people idolize and copy rappers, you cant say Rap is not part of the culture or that alot of negative aspects of culture is rooted and praised by rap

dude, rap is not a freakin' lifestyle. it is a form of entertainment that glamourizes the "thug" life. if you really knew how the thug life is lived, you wouldn't make the statement you just made. rappers are a bunch of "actors" that make music videos, get paid for it, and retreat to their mansions (well, some of them).

they get on TV talking about robbing and stealing, but it is all made up. yes, it is true that rap takes certain things from one aspect of the black community and is revered, but the same thing can be said about people liking mafia movies. hell, you can take any music genre (heavy metal, country, etc.) and claim that it represents someone's culture. the problem is that many of you assume that since rap is popular (thanks to the whites in this country), it automatically is a true representation of "black america", which is absolutely false.

that is like me making a statement that country music is a complete representation of whites and that they are a bunch of "honky tonk" cowboys or that heavy metal proves that whites have a satanic culture, which is complete BS. "true life" thugs don't sip on hennessey at a 12 million dollar mansion or ride around on luxury boats claiming to be "mafia" (which is laughable). if you really listen to the music and watch the vids, you will see that they draw much from the mafia and scarface movies, no denying that.

don imus is a "shock jock" that made the mistake of attacking a college basketball team with 19-20 yr. olds. he did'nt get fired for the statement, but because he was bad for business. imus is not a rap artist and in the talk radio world that type of "joking" can come and bite you in the ass, which in this case he became a liability to CBS. rappers can get away with it because it does not affect the type of business that they are in. once people stop buying it, it will go away.

there have been groups that have come out against rap and it's lyrics for years, but people want to forget that because it is the hottest selling genre right now (due to white buyers). all i'm saying is that people need to stop trying to defend imus with the "they say it in rap" crap. the funny thing is that the media (mainly foxnews) have come and tried to make this argument, but they made one big mistake and played their hand. they decided to only show black rappers as if they are the only ones saying it, in order to make their racial argument. yet, they never showed the biggest selling rapper in history, which is eminem (yes, the white rapper).

slim shaddy has been saying "ho" for years and other derogatory comments, so why is he not in the argument? how about bubba sparks and paul wall? if you gonna talk about rap music and try to make a argument about racial "double standards", you better include the white guys that say it also.

once again, the biggest buyers of rap and the main reason why it is alive is because of nice little white teens. the white community are the ones that have created rap into this monster that it is now, not the african american community. it is all about sales and rap is being primarily bought by whites, so take your argument up with the ones that keep rap alive and well, not just assumptions about seeing a black face performing in the video and thinking that it is "black owned".

[bugkill]

This whole thing is a massive exercise in hypocrisy. A man of Imus' age and experience should have known that we cannot accept jokes made at the expense of any minority group. For example, it's perfectly acceptable to say that white men can't jump - hell, make a movie about it - but make similar jokes at other group's expense and the usual suspects will be outraged as long as there's a camera around.

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."“White folks was in caves while we was building empires ... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” <- case in point, Al Sharpton, who you'll note, still has a radio show.

this is my main problem with many whites that complain about sharpton and jackson. if you guys don't like them and if you feel that they have made racist comments. all you have to do is boycott their sponsors or put pressure on their business ventures. it is easy to cry foul, but you crying about it means nothing if you don't want to do anything about it. ;)

[Chulo]

this is my main problem with many whites that complain about sharpton and jackson. if you guys don't like them and if you feel that they have made racist comments. all you have to do is boycott their sponsors or put pressure on their business ventures. it is easy to cry foul, but you crying about it means nothing if you don't want to do anything about it. ;)
anyone try boycotting and they will be called a raceist with a white agenda

[2Sheds_Jackson]

this is my main problem with many whites that complain about sharpton and jackson. if you guys don't like them and if you feel that they have made racist comments. all you have to do is boycott their sponsors or put pressure on their business ventures. it is easy to cry foul, but you crying about it means nothing if you don't want to do anything about it. ;)

As an individual, my actions to oppose Jackson et al have been confined to politically working against just about everything they stand for. I give money to organizations that oppose them, and vote against them and their agenda. So I assume you don't have a problem with me.



slim shaddy has been saying "ho" for years and other derogatory comments, so why is he not in the argument? how about bubba sparks and paul wall? if you gonna talk about rap music and try to make a argument about racial "double standards", you better include the white guys that say it also.

That's fair enough...but I've heard nobody, including FoxNews, claiming that what Imus said was ok because black rappers say it. Why would you assume that those pointing at rap are only pointing at black rappers, or black culture? The argument is that rap culture (regardless of color) exists, and uses that language every day, and Al Sharpton is not demanding that they lose their jobs.

[Thor]

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."“White folks was in caves while we was building empires ... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”<- case in point, Al Sharpton, who you'll note, still has a radio show.
LOL. What the h*** has he been smoking? roflrofl

The grammar is equally great.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

This whole thing is a massive exercise in hypocrisy. A man of Imus' age and experience should have known that we cannot accept jokes made at the expense of any minority group. For example, it's perfectly acceptable to say that white men can't jump - hell, make a movie about it - but make similar jokes at other group's expense and the usual suspects will be outraged as long as there's a camera around.

"We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."“White folks was in caves while we was building empires ... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” <- case in point, Al Sharpton, who you'll note, still has a radio show.


I would really, truly, like to see someone come out with a sequel to "White Chicks" entitled "Black Chicks", and with all the stereotypes that are associated with black women just like in white chicks and it would have two white men dressing up as black chicks.

I would like to see how the same people that are blowing this way out of proportion just to build a platform on silencing people they don't agree with, deal with and explain how this movie is different from "White Chicks".

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I would really, truly, like to see someone come out with a sequel to "White Chicks" entitled "Black Chicks", and with all the stereotypes that are associated with black women just like in white chicks and it would have two white men dressing up as black chicks.

I would like to see how the same people that are blowing this way out of proportion just to build a platform on silencing people they don't agree with, deal with and explain how this movie is different from "White Chicks".

Y'know, I think the public - in general - wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as it's mood was light-hearted and friendly. I think that for the most part we're all able to laugh at ourselves. But I also think we could count on the same group of people marching, and boycotting, and hurling charges of racism etc. just like they always do. After all, it's their business, and it's not about love, it's about money.

[bugkill]

anyone try boycotting and they will be called a raceist with a white agenda

well, you're convictions are not strong enough and that is why you should not bitch about anything. if you feel that they have made racist comments and were offensive, you have EVERY right to lead a peaceful boycott against their businesses and those that they associate themselves with in order to effect change.


I would really, truly, like to see someone come out with a sequel to "White Chicks" entitled "Black Chicks", and with all the stereotypes that are associated with black women just like in white chicks and it would have two white men dressing up as black chicks.

I would like to see how the same people that are blowing this way out of proportion just to build a platform on silencing people they don't agree with, deal with and explain how this movie is different from "White Chicks".

i wouldn't mind seeing it and if the actors are funny, i just might like it. you make way too assumptions and there may be people that would be offended, but they don't represent the whole populace. you guys act as if two black guys getting on tv complaining about something makes them the true spokesmen of black people and they are not.

[bugkill]

That's fair enough...but I've heard nobody, including FoxNews, claiming that what Imus said was ok because black rappers say it. Why would you assume that those pointing at rap are only pointing at black rappers, or black culture? The argument is that rap culture (regardless of color) exists, and uses that language every day, and Al Sharpton is not demanding that they lose their jobs.

shed, it is exactly what foxnews was trying to do and i watched the whole thing. all the commentators kept using black rappers as examples and they did not flash up not one image or lyric from a white rapper. they tried their best to keep it as a black and white issue, and that was truly bad on their part.

like i said before, if you gonna attack rap about it's lyrics, you better talk about everyone and not just black rappers because imus made racial statements about black women. the argument would have been better if eminem was the one being singled out for using that type of lyrics by the black community, but that is not the case.

you can't try and make a argument about imus and use black rappers because it is not just black rappers using this type of language. also, imus is in another form of media and the rules are totally different for him. if imus was a comedian or rapper, he wouldn't be fired because the effect would have been different and the money could still be rolling in for the big wigs. the bottom line is money and that is where jesse and others were successful with imus, but not with the gangster rap world (they and others have tried to shut it down).

[2Sheds_Jackson]

you can't try and make a argument about imus and use black rappers because it is not just black rappers using this type of language. also, imus is in another form of media and the rules are totally different for him. if imus was a comedian or rapper, he wouldn't be fired because the effect would have been different and the money could still be rolling in for the big wigs. the bottom line is money and that is where jesse and others were successful with imus, but not with the gangster rap world (they and others have tried to shut it down).

Oh come on - Sharpton and Jackson haven't made a serious effort to shut down rap. They could go to Sony, EMI, Capitol etc. - accuse them of perpetuating racism and hate - exactly as they did to NBC. They could threaten to boycott - they could make all kinds of demands. But they don't, and they won't. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they had certain "agreements" in place with those media outlets to remain silent, so long as they "contribute" to their "community" programs. I've read that Jackson in particular does quite a bit of that.

I agree that context does count - and I found Imus' joke to be a bit over the top for a mainstream show. He should have been given a slap on the wrist and told to watch it (he is, after all, paid to walk the line between acceptable and going to far)....but not fired. Not bombarded with baseless accusations of racism. There's no basis to believe he's any more of a racist than any other entertainer paid to walk the line, whether they're a rapper or comedian.