Saturday Night Live Introduces **** Cheney's ‘Torboto: The Robot That Tortures People

[Jeremiah]

http://youtube.com/v/9KH6Oxb1Q5k

[Sharp]

LOL. so true btw.

[ElHombre]

That was low... and funny. ROFL

[Silver Cup]

Ha ha nice.

[WarriorMonk]

poor taste.

[shocker1]

I did laugh and if not for the TVfunhouse intro I would have thought this was from Iranian TV. :-*$

[sir-chimp]

ah yes the scent of desperation

[Durandal]

Its Gigantor!

http://www.anime.com/Gigantor/images/circle-01.jpg

That said...I think the "The X Presidents" stuff they did was far funnier and less awkward.

[annihilation]

I found it funny, they almost made cheney look human.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember watching Gigantor.

I also remember when artists were courageous agitators for change and took real risks to push liberal reform in the world. And here we are, with beheaddings, and corpse draggings, and Holocaust denial, and women being denied basic education, and forced conversions, and kidnappings, and appeasement of all that - and our artists spend their time going through he motions with stuff like this. Like our own government is going to come torture them in a million years. Why not a nice Mohammed cartoon? It's as if they know what they're supposed to do, but can't quite bring themselves to take any actual risks.

[annihilation]

Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember watching Gigantor.

I also remember when artists were courageous agitators for change and took real risks to push liberal reform in the world. And here we are, with beheaddings, and corpse draggings, and Holocaust denial, and women being denied basic education, and forced conversions, and kidnappings, and appeasement of all that - and our artists spend their time going through he motions with stuff like this. Like our own government is going to come torture them in a million years. Why not a nice Mohammed cartoon? It's as if they know what they're supposed to do, but can't quite bring themselves to take any actual risks.

Last time I check much of those world problems are on the other side of the world as of non of our business, (as such our problems are no one else problem either) unless you think we should continue to force change by the barrel of a gun, which is working so well.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Last time I check much of those world problems are on the other side of the world as of non of our business, (as such our problems are no one else problem either) unless you think we should continue to force change by the barrel of a gun, which is working so well.

Well, I don't know who you mean by "our"...but in my world, my job, my food, my family, my future all depend on the stability of the other side of the world. And in an effort to keep all of those, our government recently voted to send hundreds of thousands of our citizens over to the other side of the world to defend it. And then their countryman, Mr. Smigel, rather than deciding to shore up support for a bitter and painful struggle that nobody wants, so that maybe it would end sooner, chose instead to join the Blame America First club. How very courageous and trendy of him.

Christ the show has just become a hackneyed broken record of irrelevant baby-boomer political commentary executed by a bunch of sycophantic hanger-ons who lack the courage to address real problems. It's like they saw their idols rebelling against the mores of the previous generation - except they haven't figured out that they're not sticking it to the man, they are the man.

It's right up there with a crucifix in a glass of pee or a painting of Mary made with animal sh*t. I don't see those artists doing similar work of Mohammed - a religious figure associated with far more violent oppression in the modern world. It's just an illustration of cowardice and our own self-absorption if you ask me.

[guja]

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Mamont]

Well, I don't know who you mean by "our"...but in my world, my job, my food, my family, my future all depend on the stability of the other side of the world. And in an effort to keep all of those, our government recently voted to send hundreds of thousands of our citizens over to the other side of the world to defend it.

Wow, so much fervour. Simply put your future is dependant of how many and how effectively some people that you never knew and which never pose a threat to you are killed. Daily, cheerfully and joyfully as we can see.



And then their countryman, Mr. Smigel, rather than deciding to shore up support for a bitter and painful struggle that nobody wants, so that maybe it would end sooner, chose instead to join the Blame America First club. How very courageous and trendy of him.
He saw the light of truth. His vision of truth. Democracy at it's best.

[Macs.]

Funny how they don't show how the Koran gets flushed.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Funny how they don't show how the Koran gets flushed.

Heh heh, yeah you noticed that too huh?


Wow, so much fervour. Simply put your future is dependant of how many and how effectively some people that you never knew and which never pose a threat to you are killed. Daily, cheerfully and joyfully as we can see.

If you can't sustain your argument by addressing what I said, then why bother at all? Is your grasp on your own position so rooted in emotion that you're unable to articulate it in terms that anyone else can understand? If you think that the life you live isn't just as dependent upon these far-flung regions, you're living in a blissful state of denial (where I honestly wish I could join you).



He saw the light of truth. His vision of truth. Democracy at it's best.

Indeed, and it also means I get to point out that his vision of truth is both gutless and witless. Ain't democracy grand?

[Mamont]

If you can't sustain your argument by addressing what I said, then why bother at all? Is your grasp on your own position so rooted in emotion that you're unable to articulate it in terms that anyone else can understand? If you think that the life you live isn't just as dependent upon these far-flung regions, you're living in a blissful state of denial (where I honestly wish I could join you).
Ohnestly, you lost me here. Are you seriously thinking that your dependancy on something is giving you the right to kill people?



Indeed, and it also means I get to point out that his vision of truth is both gutless and witless. Ain't democracy grand?
Yep. When next president is scheduled to kill?

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember watching Gigantor.

I also remember when artists were courageous agitators for change and took real risks to push liberal reform in the world. And here we are, with beheaddings, and corpse draggings, and Holocaust denial, and women being denied basic education, and forced conversions, and kidnappings, and appeasement of all that - and our artists spend their time going through he motions with stuff like this. Like our own government is going to come torture them in a million years. Why not a nice Mohammed cartoon? It's as if they know what they're supposed to do, but can't quite bring themselves to take any actual risks.

Probably because most artists don't fancy being the next Theo van Gogh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

The Islamic campaign of intimidation through violence, the core of their political will from Ramadi to Madrid, does bear fruit. Admittedly, it doesn't not speak well for the resilience of the West.

And yes, there is a West. I can only hope that at some point the West realizes it's sink or swim time when it comes to confronting Islamic terrorists. Still can't believe how cowardly the West reacted in the Mohammed cartoon issue. Even in Europe, grand bastion of liberal thinking, politicians were apologizing for the cartoons when they were in fact the kind of liberal expression the righteous liberals swear to defend, even if the cartoons were in poor taste. Like you said, you can **** and piss on a crucifix or screw nuns in ****o videos, but you dare not use the "M" word in vain.

[Baboonass]

LOL.

It's goofy satire.


I thought the "Dora" satire was pretty funny as well.

I guess I expect it, especially from SNL, so it's really no big deal, or that big of a shock.

Besides, so easy is it to cast stones at those who make the most difficult of decisions when there is no risk to yourself.

If cartoonists had real balls, they would address the real enemies, but then that would constitute real risk, and we can't have that.

[Durandal]

Its a cartoon...on a show that has traditionally poked fun of politics (regardless of the politician or political view).

If find the cartoon a bit simple...that is my problem with it, but then, mainstream T.V. audiences ARE simple, so maybe I should not be surprised.

I mean, we are talking about Bush and Cheney. Both have provided us with so much material over the years to mock why not do it smarter.

It would be like making BJ jokes about Clinton when you could be trashing him AND N.O.W or him and the Black Caucus at the same exact time in less "literal" offensive ways and more subtle and amusing ironies.

[bugkill]

i thought it sucked and the audience seemed to agree with me. the jokes about cheney, the president, and us (U.S. armed forces) are getting old and stale. this piece was not funny at all and the creators need to go back to the drawing board.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Ohnestly, you lost me here. Are you seriously thinking that your dependancy on something is giving you the right to kill people?

In simple terms, the answer is yes. Why else do you think nations go to war...because somebody slapped our Queen at a party?

In case you hadn't noticed, modern society is not self-sufficient. You don't grow your own food, transport your own food, refine your own gas, generate your own electricity to heat your home...which incidentally you didn't build yourself...out of timber that you didn't fell and mill. You depend upon a myriad of resources from around the planet to make that all happen. If that falls apart, first you lose your luxuries, then your home has no heat, then you starve to death -well, unless you're killed by the riots first.

To prevent that from happening, a part of your tax dollar goes to pay for people with pointy things who go overseas to make sure that everything continues to run smoothly. Unless you are willing to begin living a self-sufficient life, it is the height of hypocrisy to sit there and condemn the very system you depend upon.

Hey now that would be a funny cartoon - a bunch of anti-war types sitting around bitching about war while simultaneously depending upon it to live.



Yep. When next president is scheduled to kill?

Well now you lost me with that one.

[guja]

In case you hadn't noticed, moder
To prevent that from happening, a part of your tax dollar goes to pay for people with pointy things who go overseas to make sure that everything continues to run smoothly. Unless you are willing to begin living a self-sufficient life, it is the height of hypocrisy to sit there and condemn the very system you depend upon.


Wow definition of imperialism if i ever read one. What happened to spreading democracy? World's defenders of freedom?

[Freibier]

In simple terms, the answer is yes. Why else do you think nations go to war...because somebody slapped our Queen at a party?

In case you hadn't noticed, modern society is not self-sufficient. You don't grow your own food, transport your own food, refine your own gas, generate your own electricity to heat your home...which incidentally you didn't build yourself...out of timber that you didn't fell and mill. You depend upon a myriad of resources from around the planet to make that all happen. If that falls apart, first you lose your luxuries, then your home has no heat, then you starve to death -well, unless you're killed by the riots first.

To prevent that from happening, a part of your tax dollar goes to pay for people with pointy things who go overseas to make sure that everything continues to run smoothly. Unless you are willing to begin living a self-sufficient life, it is the height of hypocrisy to sit there and condemn the very system you depend upon.


Social Darwinism at its finest. But then again your probably agree that people overseas have every right to unsmooth your people with pointy things.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Social Darwinism at its finest. But then again your probably agree that people overseas have every right to unsmooth your people with pointy things.

Having the "right" is a non-sequitir, since their system of laws doesn't cross our borders. It's a question of capabilities...and as 9/11 proved, they do have that capability. Edit - can't say that I'm really "OK" with that...it's just how the world works so there's not much use in denying it I suppose.



Wow definition of imperialism if i ever read one. What happened to spreading democracy? World's defenders of freedom?

What, you don't like it? Well go live in the woods. Because as I said, unless you are self-sufficient, this is precisely what you are supporting, like it or not. I'm sorry you don't like it, but your tax dollars as well as mine are paying for it...at least I have no illusions as to what it's for.

Jeez it's no wonder so many people have a hard time accepting what's going on in the world today, they seem to be living in a blissful state of denial.

[nahimov]

Having the "right" is a non-sequitir, since their system of laws doesn't cross our borders. It's a question of capabilities...and as 9/11 proved, they do have that capability. Edit - can't say that I'm really "OK" with that...it's just how the world works so there's not much use in denying it I suppose.




What, you don't like it? Well go live in the woods. Because as I said, unless you are self-sufficient, this is precisely what you are supporting, like it or not. I'm sorry you don't like it, but your tax dollars as well as mine are paying for it...at least I have no illusions as to what it's for.

Jeez it's no wonder so many people have a hard time accepting what's going on in the world today, they seem to be living in a blissful state of denial.

There are much better ways to get the resources you need besides war. Even the most bloodthirsty dictators need money and are willing to trade resources.

The problem with current wars is that they are not as pragmatic as you have stated. If they were, they would not have started in the first place. Bringing freedom to Iraqis has nothing to do with oil.

I would LOVE for US administration to have a very pragmatic point of view when resources decide what we do. But both of us know that it is not the case.

[cascade]

I think 2sheds has a point. It's always easier to go after your own than confront the real threat.

[guja]

What, you don't like it? Well go live in the woods. Because as I said, unless you are self-sufficient, this is precisely what you are supporting, like it or not. I'm sorry you don't like it, but your tax dollars as well as mine are paying for it...at least I have no illusions as to what it's for.

Jeez it's no wonder so many people have a hard time accepting what's going on in the world today, they seem to be living in a blissful state of denial.

1. Not a USA citizen
2. World isnt USA playground
3. Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should not harm his neighbor. Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously. And anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet. Muhammad
4. All diplomacy is a continuation of war by other means.

[Kroforit]

Well, I don't know who you mean by "our"...but in my world, my job, my food, my family, my future all depend on the stability of the other side of the world.

Since when?

[Kilgor]

come on, it was pretty funny.

A politically healthy society needs stuff like this.

[Baboonass]

Since when?

Since we discovered the vast oil fields in the ME.

Since global trading became the essesnce of economic stability world wide.

Since bad guys tend to attack our resources and friends on shores other than our own.




We are all far more connected than you may think.


I think you really don't comprehend how this all works.

We invest time and resources in other nations because of mutual benifit. Our capitol interest in foriegn countries isn't by invasion, but by permission by that nation. Although you may or may not like it, these nations benifit greatly by our economic infrastucture and global trade.

Iraq was a direct threat to the economic stability of the global economy, as well as some other issues. Invasion was inniment, regardless of who was in office.


If you don't agree or like the way the world works, find a nice island somewere and make your own rules.


This is in very layman terms, and very basic. If you want more info on this, you are going to have to do a bit of research.

[nahimov]

^^How the invasion was imminent? What did Saddam do after 1991 to destabilize global economy? Oil was still flowing. Just a regular ME dictator. ME is full of them.

[guja]

Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. George Washington

[Baboonass]

^^How the invasion was imminent? What did Saddam do after 1991 to destabilize global economy? Oil was still flowing. Just a regular ME dictator. ME is full of them.



To answer that, I'll ask you a question.

What do you know about Geo-economics and big oil or oil in general and how is relates to the global market?

What other properties of petrolium are major contributing factors to the global economy?

What influences the price of OPEC oil on the global market?

What happens if ME oil stops flowing? What are the ramifications to the world? (think big picture).


This isn't about soccer moms driving their big assed SUV's.

[nahimov]

To answer that, I'll ask you a question.

What do you know about Geo-economics and big oil or oil in general and how is relates to the global market?

What other properties of petrolium are major contributing factors to the global economy?

What influences the price of OPEC oil on the global market?

What happens if ME oil stops flowing? What are the ramifications to the world? (think big picture).


This isn't about soccer moms driving their big assed SUV's.

So you have no reason to give me? Only questions?

[Baboonass]

So you have no reason to give me? Only questions?

I've just given you the answers, you just have to look it up for your self.

At least now you know were to start.


Look, if it's one thing I've learned about this site is I can stomp my feet on the ground, yell and scream about facts, and someone will just want me to post a public site so they can see it, only to have them say "oh, well that site is not objective" bla bla bla.

If my word here isn't enough, then research it for yourself so you can find the answers. Finding out this way is going to be far more benificial to you then having me, who you don't know from Adam, tell you specifically how it all works.

Good luck with it.

[nahimov]

I've just given you the answers, you just have to look it up for your self.

At least now you know were to start.


Look, if it's one thing I've learned about this site is I can stomp my feet on the ground, yell and scream about facts, and someone will just want me to post a public site so they can see it, only to have them say "oh, well that site is not objective" bla bla bla.

If my word here isn't enough, then research it for yourself so you can find the answers. Finding out this way is going to be far more benificial to you then having me, who you don't know from Adam, tell you specifically how it all works.

Good luck with it.


Yes "Good luck" indeed. I would need all the luck in the world to prove that Saddam destabilized the global economy. By the way, oil from Iraq is flowing at much slower pace than in the 90s. How come the global economy is not destabilized?

[Baboonass]

Yes "Good luck" indeed. I would need all the luck in the world to prove that Saddam destabilized the global economy. By the way, oil from Iraq is flowing at much slower pace than in the 90s. How come the global economy is not destabilized?



Sheesh!

Have the best day ever.

[Alex-L]

Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. George Washington

If you continue to take quotes exactly as stated then you will never realize the whole picture.

George Washington was a fine soldier and understand 100% that wars are sometimes a must, but that our policies should not dictate war only, which they don't.

[alpine]

So to summarize it, if you are sitting in front of a computer and just writing comments 15000 miles away from the heat, then it is easy to talk about war, but not if you are a soldier or a civilian in the war zone…

[Mastermind]

Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember watching Gigantor.

I also remember when artists were courageous agitators for change and took real risks to push liberal reform in the world. And here we are, with beheaddings, and corpse draggings, and Holocaust denial, and women being denied basic education, and forced conversions, and kidnappings, and appeasement of all that - and our artists spend their time going through he motions with stuff like this. Like our own government is going to come torture them in a million years. Why not a nice Mohammed cartoon? It's as if they know what they're supposed to do, but can't quite bring themselves to take any actual risks.
BINGO! On the nosy.