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TALOS
05-01-2004, 01:30 PM
Thought this was interesting and dont know if it was posted but I cant find anything in search, mind you I dont think I know how to use search correctly cuz I cant find things I know are there either :cantbeli:
Anyway here iti is:


A SEAL REPORTS: Hopefully soon, it will be in the Iraqis’ hands

Written by Mark Divine, NavySEALs.com/BlackNET

Friday April 30, 2004




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BAGDHAD (30 APR) -- Probably the best news that came out of the daily briefing here at the Joint Special Operations Task Force in Baghdad is that in Al Ramadi and Najaf the local populace has finally taken up arms against the bad guys. There have been attacks on the Saddam Militia, as well as against accused murderer and petite Shiite Imam of Najaf, Muqtada al-Sadr, and his thugs.

Most Iraqis are tired of the constant threat and fear tactics of these former Saddam loyalists. And the degradation of an already poor quality of life grows increasingly unacceptable when the die-hards take hold in a town like Fallujah and Najaf. So they are finally taking matters into their own hands. This seems to be good news.

However, it is also an indication that they have come to the conclusion that they can not rely on the Americans for their security.

It is also true that there are just not enough Military Police here to protect every street corner, and the police action we do here is met with cowardly attacks and IED (Improvised Explosive Device) hits daily. So the Iraqis are right to not expect protection from the Americans - it is not possible.

What is possible, with enough time and effort, is to rout out many of the thugs, and train enough Iraqi militia and police to take responsibility for the safety of the populace. It is going to take 5 years or more to accomplish this, so patience is the name of the game here.

The biggest threat to our success (beyond our wonderful Media back home) is a descent into civil war. There is a fine line between a local militia response to someone like Sadr, and civil war. When viewing Iraq, most Americans, myself included, tend to impose our Western point of view on the situation.

That point of view is that Iraq is a country with citizens who recognize the country as having sovereign right to govern them. We in the West do not question that - we are Americans first, then New Yorkers, Californians or Texans; then San Diegans, etc.; mostly loyal to a local football team and our families (frequently last!). In Iraq, loyalty is to the tribe, and only to the tribe.

And guess what - there are hundreds of tribes in Iraq. They don't really like each other, and have been in a relatively recent, two century-long struggle for power and land. Iraq has been glued together out of abject fear under Saddam. That fear tactic is now being used to keep the populace from supporting the US and coalition forces. After we turn over sovereignty on June 30 - what then?

It is very likely that we will see insurgent activity escalate in an attempt to incite civil war. It will take every ounce of energy and resolve to stay the course and quell it before it gets out of control. The US has come too far to let this train careen off the tracks - but the peril is very real that it could. Our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen will do what it takes - as we just saw in Fallujah.

If given the green light, the Marines would have routed every insurgent from Fallujah and buried them in the desert. Unfortunately, the political pressure has been too intense and that plan was replaced with yet another round of ‘discussions’ and ‘cease fires.’

Even as terrorist insurgents fire at Marines from Mosques, Al Jazeera and European news agencies hale them as heroes fighting to rout the imperialist invader from their homeland.

Obviously, our nation’s further, strenuous resolve is still required.

I firmly believe that we are here fighting for the next generation of Iraqis. The current reigning generation of Iraqis are, in the majority, still loyal to their tribe first, and will support those who threaten to kill their families if their new government and/or US forces can not protect them.

But as we open more schools every day, we bring the internet and outside news and exposure of the world to the younger set. And when we finish putting the economy on a course toward prosperity, I believe the next generation will throw off the tribal shackles and regain their proud national identity.

Let us hope that we stay the course for their future, and that we do not have to sacrifice many more American lives to bring this honor called freedom to a people we barely know or understand.

From Baghdad - Mark Divine

NavySEALs.com

Argyll
05-01-2004, 02:03 PM
I "bumped " into a squad of SEALs at BIAP.......big mofo's they were too

100_Percent_HOOAH
05-01-2004, 02:18 PM
Yea, SEALs are not joke. My dad was in the teams, he's startin to get old and he is still big as f**k, needless to say i won't try to kick his ass anytime soon :lol:

TALOS
05-01-2004, 02:35 PM
Yea, SEALs are not joke. My dad was in the teams, he's startin to get old and he is still big as f**k, needless to say i won't try to kick his ass anytime soon :lol:

Haha, wouldnt it be nice to know that as you get older the little "kiddies" are still too in awe to challenge ya? ;)

ChuckThunder
05-01-2004, 02:57 PM
Yea, SEALs are not joke. My dad was in the teams, he's startin to get old and he is still big as f**k, needless to say i won't try to kick his ass anytime soon :lol:

Do you have this shirt?:lol:

http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Chuck314/b00qnqdc.jpg

Grim
05-01-2004, 03:26 PM
hehe nice one... rofl rofl

Trident-za
05-01-2004, 03:49 PM
Any of you read "Finishing School" by **** Couch? He mentions at one point that one of the SEALs doing his SQT (i.e. has made it thru BUD/S already) weighs in at 125 pounds.... must be a helluva tough bastard to make it at that size!! For the non-US people, thats 57 kg.

Haiw
05-01-2004, 03:52 PM
57 kg...geez...that's even below the minimum weight of Dutch Army SF. :|

ChuckThunder
05-01-2004, 04:15 PM
Any of you read "Finishing School" by **** Couch? He mentions at one point that one of the SEALs doing his SQT (i.e. has made it thru BUD/S already) weighs in at 125 pounds.... must be a helluva tough bastard to make it at that size!! For the non-US people, thats 57 kg.

Yep, great book isn't it?

Trident-za
05-01-2004, 04:32 PM
Any of you read "Finishing School" by **** Couch? He mentions at one point that one of the SEALs doing his SQT (i.e. has made it thru BUD/S already) weighs in at 125 pounds.... must be a helluva tough bastard to make it at that size!! For the non-US people, thats 57 kg.

Yep, great book isn't it?

Awesome book! Amazing how dedicated and well-drilled these guys are. I've no idea how it translates in operational terms, but I was seriously impressed with their skills (as portrayed in the book - never having met a SEAL I can't personally vouch for the skills :lol: ). The really interesting thing for me was how little gung-ho bull**** there is.... its a deadly serious business, and they are very professional in their approach.

CRAZY MERC
05-01-2004, 06:57 PM
Stupid article.

Argyll
05-01-2004, 08:52 PM
Stupid article.

Care to elaborate? sounds like you might be in a better position to criticise?

Huck Mucus
05-01-2004, 11:01 PM
Can't say for sure, seeing as how I'm not there, but, reading between the lines, it sounds to me like SF may be plying their trade in these towns. I'm used to thinking of them stirring up **** in rural, jungle, remote areas, but I suspect they've got the urban thing down now too, eh? It would take some real balls to go into that kind of environment, under-manned and under-gunned, and not know exactly who it is you are talking to and whether or not they will turn on you. You'd best be a fluent speaker and look just like them, have great contacts, knowing all their local inflections, dress and etc. or your ass would be grass.

On the other hand, maybe this is all spontaneous and local. On yet another hand, mabye it's all B.S. Can't tell with the media these days. If it is SF, they are doing a wonderful job, quiet professionals to the point of making sure everyone thinks it's the locals on their own. Stories never told.

Nizark
05-01-2004, 11:39 PM
Anyone hear about how "two US sailors" were killed near falluja today? It would seem as if the seals are operating in the euphrates river

garoco
05-02-2004, 12:47 AM
I was working with some SEAL's based out of Guam last month. Top blokes, bloody fit and great operators.

Haiw
05-02-2004, 07:31 AM
Anyone hear about how "two US sailors" were killed near falluja today? It would seem as if the seals are operating in the euphrates river
Or just two guys that were working on a river boat...

Argyll
05-02-2004, 07:35 AM
Guys not everyone in the NAVY is a SEAL!!!!

ChuckThunder
05-02-2004, 08:04 AM
Anyone hear about how "two US sailors" were killed near falluja today? It would seem as if the seals are operating in the euphrates river
Or just two guys that were working on a river boat...

Yeah, lol. SEALs aren't the only members of the Navy in Iraq.