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Lazy Lob
04-24-2007, 02:55 AM
I must say I enjoyed this article. Hope it's not a repost.


The Iraq war's other front – my doctor's office
Posted: April 5, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The "Bush Lied, People Died" yahoos lurk everywhere. Few can escape them.

Standing at the check-in window of my doctor's office, awaiting my annual prostate exam, I heard a staff member yell out with a smile, "Hi, Mr. Elder. How does it feel to be one of the last guys who supports the war?"

The 20-something-year-old receptionist, who was signing me in, then narrowed her eyes, and the volcano erupted. She tore into an emotional, convoluted, fact-challenged barrage against the president. He lied us into the war, and too many of our soldiers are dying. He's incompetent. He sent young men and women to die for oil and for Halliburton. While he plays commander in chief, the middle class shrinks. He cares only about the rich. His racism showed in his handling of Katrina. Yadda, blah, etc.

I tried to remain calm while considering the source. In general, depending upon the setting, I try to conserve my mood and my energy. But, then there are other times – and this was one of them.

"You talked about the number of our military personnel who have died in Iraq," I said, "3,500 and counting. Do you happen to know how many died in World War I?"

"No."

"What about Korea and Vietnam?"

"No."

" What about the Civil War – both sides?"

"No."

"What about World War II?"

"No."

"We lost over 100,000 in the First World War, with a much smaller population than today. During the Civil War, 600,000 died on both sides, and the population was about 10 percent of today's 300 million. So, adjusted for the population, 6 million people died during the Civil War."

Soon the other staff members behind the receptionist began to listen, as did the patients sitting in the waiting room.

"By the end of World War II," I continued, "400,000 Americans died. Again, adjusting for today's population, that means nearly 800,000 people – those killed so far in Iraq represent less than one-half of 1 percent of that number. Of course, every life is precious, but I suggest that before you talk about the 'huge' amount of deaths, you gain some perspective."

"But, what about the lies?" she said.

"Why bother," I said, "maybe my prostate could wait another year. I'll just go down and grab a hamburger."

But I said, "Are you familiar with the Robb-Silberman Commission that concluded the president did not lie about the intelligence on Iraq?"

"No."

"What about the Senate bipartisan panel that concluded the same thing – that Bush didn't lie?"

"No."

"What about David Kaye?" I said.

"Who?"

"He's the guy Bush sent to Iraq to find stockpiles of WMD. While he didn't find stockpiles of WMD, he spoke of the possibility that Saddam transferred WMD out of the country during the run up of the war. Perhaps more important, he said that no intelligence analyst – all of whom, by the way, thought Saddam had stockpiles of WMD – felt pressured to lie simply to provide a motive for Bush to go to war."

"But, we have been in Iraq longer than we fought the whole World War II. This is crazy," the receptionist replied.

"Crazy?" I said, "I know of no stopwatch for war. During the Civil War, both sides expected it to last just a few weeks, no more than a few months. During the Revolutionary War, Gen. George Washington lost battle after battle such that some wanted him replaced by a more competent general. The early years of World War II seemed particularly gloomy, but President Franklin Delano Roosevelt didn't say, 'Well, we've been at this for a bit. Let's call it a day and go home.'"

That was too much for a guy sitting in the waiting room, who chimed in, "But the war has made things worse."

So now, I am getting it from all sides................


It carries on here at World net Daily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55048)

TwoFistedFlava
04-24-2007, 10:53 AM
Doesn't sound like a true story to me, not many people can be in the middle of an argument and just spout off facts about American wars, Bush's presidency, and all that. Plus I don't agree with one of his major arguments that losing 3500 people isn't a big deal because we've lost so many in other wars. It's still a big deal, and although I think we were right to go and get rid of Saddam, our government has handled this war very poorly.

WarriorMonk
04-24-2007, 11:57 AM
lol worldnetdaily

Con-man
04-24-2007, 01:31 PM
Oh boy do I love a site which supports getting rid of hate crime laws...

Weasel
04-24-2007, 01:46 PM
"Iraq was a full success. In WW II many more people died." :cantbeli:

Sounds staged.

Shinobi
04-24-2007, 02:19 PM
Alegoria is what is

Lazy Lob
04-24-2007, 03:12 PM
Oh boy do I love a site which supports getting rid of hate crime laws...

It's next year's fashion. Lap it up before they sell out.


So hands up who took it literally????


No hands, oh well..................

2Sheds_Jackson
04-24-2007, 07:17 PM
Doesn't sound like a true story to me, not many people can be in the middle of an argument and just spout off facts about American wars, Bush's presidency, and all that.

I dunno - I had a very similar experience last week. I was at a shop getting my oil changed (yeah yeah I know - but I'm on the road here - I can't do it myself) and this nice middle aged woman who's Chrysler 300M was getting fixed said she liked my shoes ("shoes" quite obviously being a euphemism for "ass" p-) ). So we started talking.

She was a community activist and taught a class at the local community college. She mentioned something about the war and Bush (the usual alternate reality of the media) - which I politely disagreed with by calmly providing the reality based counter-point for every tinfoil point she made. She then sailed into a stream of 1/2 truths and outright fabrications regarding the war, and Halliburton, and it went off into Rosie O'Donnell territory - America caused 9/11 etc. This, from a college professor.

I proceeded to pretty much decimate everything she said regarding the war - and made a lot of the same points above (although I didn't have numbers off the top of my head, I made the same comparisons). Once all of her silly one-liners were sprung out of her pocket, she was utterly helpless to tell me why she thought like she did. It was as if she thought that way because she believed she was supposed to. And she was shocked that I could think so differently, and yet not be a knuckle dragging trailer park yokel. She just kind of sat there in stunned silence, which was very satisfying.

She pretty quickly changed the subject once she realized I wasn't one of her wide-eyed students who apparently lack the background on the subject to shut her down so effectively. We remained polite with each other, but her demeanor was as if I had called her mother a filthy lying whore. Which she undoubtedly is. :lol:

evanfitz
04-24-2007, 07:35 PM
^^ good to hear, some people are so fixed on believing their ideals that any opposition is met with ridiculous accusations like "neo-con" or "warmonger". Sometimes people need to turn off the TV and make their own decisions.

reminds me of what Mark Twain said, (im paraphrasing) "Those who do not read the newspaper are ill informed, those who do read the newspaper are misinformed."

Mamont
04-24-2007, 07:36 PM
That conversation sounded just like in the movies...

el borracho
04-24-2007, 07:44 PM
It's one thing to be in a conversation and accidentally stray into talking about the war and politcs...but to be sitting in a waiting room at a clinic, minding your own business, and have someone just blurt out "how does it feel to be the last person to support the Iraq war?" I'm raising the bs flag on that one.

Firetxmi
04-24-2007, 08:11 PM
World Net Daily... :roll: What do you expect?


Also today from WND:

"Why is U.S. pushing European Muslim state?"

"Tougher than Chuck Norris?"

"Have your say on tragedy"

Under the title of "Invasion USA":
'Family values' won't get help from immigration


http://worldnetdaily.com/

No, seriously those were real headline on WND at 20:10 EST today! rofl rofl

budgie
04-25-2007, 08:35 PM
Doesn't sound like a true story to me, not many people can be in the middle of an argument and just spout off facts about American wars, Bush's presidency, and all that. Plus I don't agree with one of his major arguments that losing 3500 people isn't a big deal because we've lost so many in other wars. It's still a big deal, and although I think we were right to go and get rid of Saddam, our government has handled this war very poorly.

Pretty sure this same story popped up here about a year ago anyway. Seems like a viral campaign (how fitting) to reinforce the Right's notion that anyone opposed to the war is an irrational, ranting troop-hater. Problem is the story is entirely hearsay and quite frankly sounds unlikely. If it is true then the problem lies squarely with the loudmouth antagonist (who can only be suffering from some form of Tourettes if she's so quick to try and shock people) rather than with the anti-war movement as a whole.

ElHombre
04-25-2007, 09:11 PM
lol worldnetdaily

Bingo. :lol: