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AgentX
04-25-2007, 07:41 AM
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps



From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

Tuesday April 24, 2007
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)


Last autumn, there was a military coup in Thailand. The leaders of the coup took a number of steps, rather systematically, as if they had a shopping list. In a sense, they did. Within a matter of days, democracy had been closed down: the coup leaders declared martial law, sent armed soldiers into residential areas, took over radio and TV stations, issued restrictions on the press, tightened some limits on travel, and took certain activists into custody.

They were not figuring these things out as they went along. If you look at history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration.

Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree - domestically - as many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our system of government - the task of being aware of the constitution has been outsourced from citizens' ownership to being the domain of professionals such as lawyers and professors - we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don't learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of "homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland" - didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.

It is my argument that, beneath our very noses, George Bush and his administration are using time-tested tactics to close down an open society. It is time for us to be willing to think the unthinkable - as the author and political journalist Joe Conason, has put it, that it can happen here. And that we are further along than we realise.

Conason eloquently warned of the danger of American authoritarianism. I am arguing that we need also to look at the lessons of European and other kinds of fascism to understand the potential seriousness of the events we see unfolding in the US.

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
After we were hit on September 11 2001, we were in a state of national shock. Less than six weeks later, on October 26 2001, the USA Patriot Act was passed by a Congress that had little chance to debate it; many said that they scarcely had time to read it. We were told we were now on a "war footing"; we were in a "global war" against a "global caliphate" intending to "wipe out civilisation". There have been other times of crisis in which the US accepted limits on civil liberties, such as during the civil war, when Lincoln declared martial law, and the second world war, when thousands of Japanese-American citizens were interned. But this situation, as Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda notes, is unprecedented: all our other wars had an endpoint, so the pendulum was able to swing back toward freedom; this war is defined as open-ended in time and without national boundaries in space - the globe itself is the battlefield. "This time," Fein says, "there will be no defined end."

Creating a terrifying threat - hydra-like, secretive, evil - is an old trick. It can, like Hitler's invocation of a communist threat to the nation's security, be based on actual events (one Wisconsin academic has faced calls for his dismissal because he noted, among other things, that the alleged communist arson, the Reichstag fire of February 1933, was swiftly followed in Nazi Germany by passage of the Enabling Act, which replaced constitutional law with an open-ended state of emergency). Or the terrifying threat can be based, like the National Socialist evocation of the "global conspiracy of world Jewry", on myth.
It is not that global Islamist terrorism is not a severe danger; of course it is. I am arguing rather that the language used to convey the nature of the threat is different in a country such as Spain - which has also suffered violent terrorist attacks - than it is in America. Spanish citizens know that they face a grave security threat; what we as American citizens believe is that we are potentially threatened with the end of civilisation as we know it. Of course, this makes us more willing to accept restrictions on our freedoms.

2. Create a gulag
Once you have got everyone scared, the next step is to create a prison system outside the rule of law (as Bush put it, he wanted the American detention centre at Guantánamo Bay to be situated in legal "outer space") - where torture takes place.

At first, the people who are sent there are seen by citizens as outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or "criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and sent there as well.

This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin American coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for closing down an open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.

With its jails in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, of course, Guantánamo in Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial and without access to the due process of the law, America certainly has its gulag now. Bush and his allies in Congress recently announced they would issue no information about the secret CIA "black site" prisons throughout the world, which are used to incarcerate people who have been seized off the street.

Gulags in history tend to metastasise, becoming ever larger and more secretive, ever more deadly and formalised. We know from first-hand accounts, photographs, videos and government documents that people, innocent and guilty, have been tortured in the US-run prisons we are aware of and those we can't investigate adequately.

But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve only scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It was brave of the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-Nazi pastor Martin Niemöller, who had been seized as a political prisoner: "First they came for the Jews." Most Americans don't understand yet that the destruction of the rule of law at Guantánamo set a dangerous precedent for them, too.

By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny prisoners due process tends to come early on in a fascist shift. Mussolini and Stalin set up such tribunals. On April 24 1934, the Nazis, too, set up the People's Court, which also bypassed the judicial system: prisoners were held indefinitely, often in isolation, and tortured, without being charged with offences, and were subjected to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts became a parallel system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon the rule of law in favour of Nazi ideology when making decisions.

3. Develop a thug caste
When leaders who seek what I call a "fascist shift" want to close down an open society, they send paramilitary groups of scary young men out to terrorise citizens. The Blackshirts roamed the Italian countryside beating up communists; the Brownshirts staged violent rallies throughout Germany. This paramilitary force is especially important in a democracy: you need citizens to fear thug violence and so you need thugs who are free from prosecution.

The years following 9/11 have proved a bonanza for America's security contractors, with the Bush administration outsourcing areas of work that traditionally fell to the US military. In the process, contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars have been issued for security work by mercenaries at home and abroad. In Iraq, some of these contract operatives have been accused of involvement in torturing prisoners, harassing journalists and firing on Iraqi civilians. Under Order 17, issued to regulate contractors in Iraq by the one-time US administrator in Baghdad, Paul Bremer, these contractors are immune from prosecution

Yes, but that is in Iraq, you could argue; however, after Hurricane Katrina, the Department of Homeland Security hired and deployed hundreds of armed private security guards in New Orleans. The investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill interviewed one unnamed guard who reported having fired on unarmed civilians in the city. It was a natural disaster that underlay that episode - but the administration's endless war on terror means ongoing scope for what are in effect privately contracted armies to take on crisis and emergency management at home in US cities.

Thugs in America? Groups of angry young Republican men, dressed in identical shirts and trousers, menaced poll workers counting the votes in Florida in 2000. If you are reading history, you can imagine that there can be a need for "public order" on the next election day. Say there are protests, or a threat, on the day of an election; history would not rule out the presence of a private security firm at a polling station "to restore public order".

4. Set up an internal surveillance system
In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. The Stasi needed to keep only a minority of East Germans under surveillance to convince a majority that they themselves were being watched.

In 2005 and 2006, when James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote in the New York Times about a secret state programme to wiretap citizens' phones, read their emails and follow international financial transactions, it became clear to ordinary Americans that they, too, could be under state scrutiny.

In closed societies, this surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.

5. Harass citizens' groups
The fifth thing you do is related to step four - you infiltrate and harass citizens' groups. It can be trivial: a church in Pasadena, whose minister preached that Jesus was in favour of peace, found itself being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, while churches that got Republicans out to vote, which is equally illegal under US tax law, have been left alone.

Other harassment is more serious: the American Civil Liberties Union reports that thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups have been infiltrated by agents: a secret Pentagon database includes more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by American citizens in its category of 1,500 "suspicious incidents". The equally secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (Cifa) agency of the Department of Defense has been gathering information about domestic organisations engaged in peaceful political activities: Cifa is supposed to track "potential terrorist threats" as it watches ordinary US citizen activists. A little-noticed new law has redefined activism such as animal rights protests as "terrorism". So the definition of "terrorist" slowly expands to include the opposition.

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
This scares people. It is a kind of cat-and-mouse game. Nicholas D Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, the investigative reporters who wrote China Wakes: the Struggle for the Soul of a Rising Power, describe pro-democracy activists in China, such as Wei Jingsheng, being arrested and released many times. In a closing or closed society there is a "list" of dissidents and opposition leaders: you are targeted in this way once you are on the list, and it is hard to get off the list.

In 2004, America's Transportation Security Administration confirmed that it had a list of passengers who were targeted for security searches or worse if they tried to fly. People who have found themselves on the list? Two middle-aged women peace activists in San Francisco; liberal Senator Edward Kennedy; a member of Venezuela's government - after Venezuela's president had criticised Bush; and thousands of ordinary US citizens.

Professor Walter F Murphy is emeritus of Princeton University; he is one of the foremost constitutional scholars in the nation and author of the classic Constitutional Democracy. Murphy is also a decorated former marine, and he is not even especially politically liberal. But on March 1 this year, he was denied a boarding pass at Newark, "because I was on the Terrorist Watch list".

"Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that," asked the airline employee.

"I explained," said Murphy, "that I had not so marched but had, in September 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the constitution."

"That'll do it," the man said.

Anti-war marcher? Potential terrorist. Support the constitution? Potential terrorist. History shows that the categories of "enemy of the people" tend to expand ever deeper into civil life.

James Yee, a US citizen, was the Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo who was accused of mishandling classified documents. He was harassed by the US military before the charges against him were dropped. Yee has been detained and released several times. He is still of interest.

Brandon Mayfield, a US citizen and lawyer in Oregon, was mistakenly identified as a possible terrorist. His house was secretly broken into and his computer seized. Though he is innocent of the accusation against him, he is still on the list.

It is a standard practice of fascist societies that once you are on the list, you can't get off.

7. Target key individuals
Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't toe the line. Mussolini went after the rectors of state universities who did not conform to the fascist line; so did Joseph Goebbels, who purged academics who were not pro-Nazi; so did Chile's Augusto Pinochet; so does the Chinese communist Politburo in punishing pro-democracy students and professors.

Academe is a tinderbox of activism, so those seeking a fascist shift punish academics and students with professional loss if they do not "coordinate", in Goebbels' term, ideologically. Since civil servants are the sector of society most vulnerable to being fired by a given regime, they are also a group that fascists typically "coordinate" early on: the Reich Law for the Re-establishment of a Professional Civil Service was passed on April 7 1933.

Bush supporters in state legislatures in several states put pressure on regents at state universities to penalise or fire academics who have been critical of the administration. As for civil servants, the Bush administration has derailed the career of one military lawyer who spoke up for fair trials for detainees, while an administration official publicly intimidated the law firms that represent detainees pro bono by threatening to call for their major corporate clients to boycott them.

Elsewhere, a CIA contract worker who said in a closed blog that "waterboarding is torture" was stripped of the security clearance she needed in order to do her job.

Most recently, the administration purged eight US attorneys for what looks like insufficient political loyalty. When Goebbels purged the civil service in April 1933, attorneys were "coordinated" too, a step that eased the way of the increasingly brutal laws to follow.

8. Control the press
Italy in the 1920s, Germany in the 30s, East Germany in the 50s, Czechoslovakia in the 60s, the Latin American dictatorships in the 70s, China in the 80s and 90s - all dictatorships and would-be dictators target newspapers and journalists. They threaten and harass them in more open societies that they are seeking to close, and they arrest them and worse in societies that have been closed already.

The Committee to Protect Journalists says arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high: Josh Wolf (no relation), a blogger in San Francisco, has been put in jail for a year for refusing to turn over video of an anti-war demonstration; Homeland Security brought a criminal complaint against reporter Greg Palast, claiming he threatened "critical infrastructure" when he and a TV producer were filming victims of Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. Palast had written a bestseller critical of the Bush administration.

Other reporters and writers have been punished in other ways. Joseph C Wilson accused Bush, in a New York Times op-ed, of leading the country to war on the basis of a false charge that Saddam Hussein had acquired yellowcake uranium in Niger. His wife, Valerie Plame, was outed as a CIA spy - a form of retaliation that ended her career.

Prosecution and job loss are nothing, though, compared with how the US is treating journalists seeking to cover the conflict in Iraq in an unbiased way. The Committee to Protect Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging from al-Jazeera to the BBC. While westerners may question the accounts by al-Jazeera, they should pay attention to the accounts of reporters such as the BBC's Kate Adie. In some cases reporters have been wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were unable to see the evidence against their staffers.

Over time in closing societies, real news is supplanted by fake news and false documents. Pinochet showed Chilean citizens falsified documents to back up his claim that terrorists had been about to attack the nation. The yellowcake charge, too, was based on forged papers.

You won't have a shutdown of news in modern America - it is not possible. But you can have, as Frank Rich and Sidney Blumenthal have pointed out, a steady stream of lies polluting the news well. What you already have is a White House directing a stream of false information that is so relentless that it is increasingly hard to sort out truth from untruth. In a fascist system, it's not the lies that count but the muddying. When citizens can't tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit by bit.

9. Dissent equals treason
Cast dissent as "treason" and criticism as "espionage'. Every closing society does this, just as it elaborates laws that increasingly criminalise certain kinds of speech and expand the definition of "spy" and "traitor". When Bill Keller, the publisher of the New York Times, ran the Lichtblau/Risen stories, Bush called the Times' leaking of classified information "disgraceful", while Republicans in Congress called for Keller to be charged with treason, and rightwing commentators and news outlets kept up the "treason" drumbeat. Some commentators, as Conason noted, reminded readers smugly that one penalty for violating the Espionage Act is execution.

Conason is right to note how serious a threat that attack represented. It is also important to recall that the 1938 Moscow show trial accused the editor of Izvestia, Nikolai Bukharin, of treason; Bukharin was, in fact, executed. And it is important to remind Americans that when the 1917 Espionage Act was last widely invoked, during the infamous 1919 Palmer Raids, leftist activists were arrested without warrants in sweeping roundups, kept in jail for up to five months, and "beaten, starved, suffocated, tortured and threatened with death", according to the historian Myra MacPherson. After that, dissent was muted in America for a decade.

In Stalin's Soviet Union, dissidents were "enemies of the people". National Socialists called those who supported Weimar democracy "November traitors".

And here is where the circle closes: most Americans do not realise that since September of last year - when Congress wrongly, foolishly, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 - the president has the power to call any US citizen an "enemy combatant". He has the power to define what "enemy combatant" means. The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive branch the right to define "enemy combatant" any way he or she wants and then seize Americans accordingly.

Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow, or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while awaiting trial. (Prolonged isolation, as psychiatrists know, triggers psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy prisoners. That is why Stalin's gulag had an isolation cell, like Guantánamo's, in every satellite prison. Camp 6, the newest, most brutal facility at Guantánamo, is all isolation cells.)

We US citizens will get a trial eventually - for now. But legal rights activists at the Center for Constitutional Rights say that the Bush administration is trying increasingly aggressively to find ways to get around giving even US citizens fair trials. "Enemy combatant" is a status offence - it is not even something you have to have done. "We have absolutely moved over into a preventive detention model - you look like you could do something bad, you might do something bad, so we're going to hold you," says a spokeswoman of the CCR.

Most Americans surely do not get this yet. No wonder: it is hard to believe, even though it is true. In every closing society, at a certain point there are some high-profile arrests - usually of opposition leaders, clergy and journalists. Then everything goes quiet. After those arrests, there are still newspapers, courts, TV and radio, and the facades of a civil society. There just isn't real dissent. There just isn't freedom. If you look at history, just before those arrests is where we are now.

10. Suspend the rule of law
The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gave the president new powers over the national guard. This means that in a national emergency - which the president now has enhanced powers to declare - he can send Michigan's militia to enforce a state of emergency that he has declared in Oregon, over the objections of the state's governor and its citizens.

Even as Americans were focused on Britney Spears's meltdown and the question of who fathered Anna Nicole's baby, the New York Times editorialised about this shift: "A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of night ... Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any 'other condition'."

Critics see this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act - which was meant to restrain the federal government from using the military for domestic law enforcement. The Democratic senator Patrick Leahy says the bill encourages a president to declare federal martial law. It also violates the very reason the founders set up our system of government as they did: having seen citizens bullied by a monarch's soldiers, the founders were terrified of exactly this kind of concentration of militias' power over American people in the hands of an oppressive executive or faction.

Of course, the United States is not vulnerable to the violent, total closing-down of the system that followed Mussolini's march on Rome or Hitler's roundup of political prisoners. Our democratic habits are too resilient, and our military and judiciary too independent, for any kind of scenario like that.

Rather, as other critics are noting, our experiment in democracy could be closed down by a process of erosion.

It is a mistake to think that early in a fascist shift you see the profile of barbed wire against the sky. In the early days, things look normal on the surface; peasants were celebrating harvest festivals in Calabria in 1922; people were shopping and going to the movies in Berlin in 1931. Early on, as WH Auden put it, the horror is always elsewhere - while someone is being tortured, children are skating, ships are sailing: "dogs go on with their doggy life ... How everything turns away/ Quite leisurely from the disaster."

As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to internet shopping and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded. Something has changed profoundly that weakens us unprecedentedly: our democratic traditions, independent judiciary and free press do their work today in a context in which we are "at war" in a "long war" - a war without end, on a battlefield described as the globe, in a context that gives the president - without US citizens realising it yet - the power over US citizens of freedom or long solitary incarceration, on his say-so alone.

That means a hollowness has been expanding under the foundation of all these still- free-looking institutions - and this foundation can give way under certain kinds of pressure. To prevent such an outcome, we have to think about the "what ifs".

What if, in a year and a half, there is another attack - say, God forbid, a dirty bomb? The executive can declare a state of emergency. History shows that any leader, of any party, will be tempted to maintain emergency powers after the crisis has passed. With the gutting of traditional checks and balances, we are no less endangered by a President Hillary than by a President Giuliani - because any executive will be tempted to enforce his or her will through edict rather than the arduous, uncertain process of democratic negotiation and compromise.

What if the publisher of a major US newspaper were charged with treason or espionage, as a rightwing effort seemed to threaten Keller with last year? What if he or she got 10 years in jail? What would the newspapers look like the next day? Judging from history, they would not cease publishing; but they would suddenly be very polite.

Right now, only a handful of patriots are trying to hold back the tide of tyranny for the rest of us - staff at the Center for Constitutional Rights, who faced death threats for representing the detainees yet persisted all the way to the Supreme Court; activists at the American Civil Liberties Union; and prominent conservatives trying to roll back the corrosive new laws, under the banner of a new group called the American Freedom Agenda. This small, disparate collection of people needs everybody's help, including that of Europeans and others internationally who are willing to put pressure on the administration because they can see what a US unrestrained by real democracy at home can mean for the rest of the world.

We need to look at history and face the "what ifs". For if we keep going down this road, the "end of America" could come for each of us in a different way, at a different moment; each of us might have a different moment when we feel forced to look back and think: that is how it was before - and this is the way it is now.

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands ... is the definition of tyranny," wrote James Madison. We still have the choice to stop going down this road; we can stand our ground and fight for our nation, and take up the banner the founders asked us to carry.

· Naomi Wolf's The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot will be published by Chelsea Green in September.

Source: - http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Disclaimer - Don't shoot the messenger. p-)

Indiana Jones
04-25-2007, 07:57 AM
Markedly over the top...

PPSH41
04-25-2007, 08:03 AM
I imagine you could make such a list for every western nation, if one was inclined to do so. Just swap out each one for whatever fits in each respective country.

Durandal
04-25-2007, 08:07 AM
I think Russia, right this moment is a far better example, but while I disagree with the condescending tone of the article there is certainly an element of truth.

American now scares me...and our government currently simply gives me another example WHY the 2nd Amendment was put on the books by our founding fathers.

8 years from now this could all blow over. 8 years from now we could have even less control over those that govern us.

PPSH41
04-25-2007, 08:22 AM
Attributing everything to George W. is a bit simplistic and on that I will have to disagree with the author. But it is interesting in that eroding individual freedoms seems to be a bipartisan issue. The author also seems to have missed other things that would need to happen to complete the cycle which could only be pushed through by a dem/left congress and presidency. Namely things like taking guns out of the hands of citizens.

I think the author's view is a bit short-sighted in attributing this all the Bush as if a dem president would suddenly make these things go away. A dem president might not go about it the same way but our freedoms would be eroded in other areas. Our freedoms have been steadily eroded for the last 70+ yrs, always heading in a steady direction with those seeming to champion individual freedoms actually being the culprits, on the right and left.

Durandal
04-25-2007, 08:34 AM
Attributing everything to George W. is a bit simplistic and on that I will have to disagree with the author.

This is true, very true. Bush is only solely responsible for pushing for a stronger Executive Branch, which is just part of the the whole puzzle.

I think a LOT has to do with the fact that no Congressman actually writes or reads the words that form a bill and are turned into a law.

A Congressman expresses his wishes about content, most likely this si then approved by someone on his/her staff. Then a beltway organization (not even remotely close to being an elected official and most certainly funded by corporations and special interest groups) actually writes the thousands of words.

Why do you think Republicans were surprised AFTER the the last labor bill was passed about the lack of labor changes at canneries in the Pacific? Or, Congress as a whole about the changes in the newest Patriot Act in regards to Congressional Approval of Federal Prosecutors...who gives up their power WILLINGLY? I mean...WTF.

And no one really questions it, which astounds me.

PPSH41
04-25-2007, 08:37 AM
This is true, very true. Bush is only solely responsible for pushing for a stronger Executive Branch, which is just part of the the whole puzzle.

I think a LOT has to do with the fact that no Congressman actually writes or reads the words that form a bill and are turned into a law.

A Congressman expresses his wishes about content, most likely this si then approved by someone on his/her staff. Then a beltway organization (not even remotely close to being an elected official and most certainly funded by corporations and special interest groups) actually writes the thousands of words.

Why do you think Republicans were surprised AFTER the the last labor bill was passed about the lack of labor changes at canneries in the Pacific? Or, Congress as a whole about the changes in the newest Patriot Act in regards to Congressional Approval of Federal Prosecutors...who gives up their power WILLINGLY? I mean...WTF.

And no one really questions it, which astounds me.

Is it that much of a surprise? I would imagine they are paid well not to look at legislation rofl

Calanen
04-25-2007, 08:54 AM
I think a LOT has to do with the fact that no Congressman actually writes or reads the words that form a bill and are turned into a law.

A Congressman expresses his wishes about content, most likely this si then approved by someone on his/her staff. Then a beltway organization (not even remotely close to being an elected official and most certainly funded by corporations and special interest groups) actually writes the thousands of words.

Why do you think Republicans were surprised AFTER the the last labor bill was passed about the lack of labor changes at canneries in the Pacific? .

Even if the congressmen had the legal abilities to draft legislation, they would not have the time. They need to rely on their staff to tell them the detail, and they really should read it. Most amendments are not that long.

jasonblaster
04-25-2007, 11:51 AM
There goes 6 more IQ points, I knew I shouldn't have read that dribble....

Laworkerbee
04-25-2007, 12:26 PM
Yawn........

seraosha
04-25-2007, 12:37 PM
Because we don't learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of "homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland" - didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.


*DING*
Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law)

The rest, while possibly well written and accurate, is no longer worth reading.

SBL
04-25-2007, 12:37 PM
The sky is falling.

Hunterhr
04-25-2007, 12:45 PM
Of course the fact that this "dictator" will be out of office in a year and a half never really enters into this article's train of thought.

Shortest. Evil Dictatorship. Ever.

Seconding the yawns.

bigvig
04-25-2007, 01:22 PM
American now scares me...and our government currently simply gives me another example WHY the 2nd Amendment was put on the books by our founding fathers.
Not at all disagreeing with you, but I'm curious to know what your reasons are to be scared of our current government. p-)

noname
04-25-2007, 02:02 PM
Wow, the right wing nutters were claiming the same thing almost 8 years ago when that douce-bag Kliton was president. There were rumors that he would not leave office after his term expired, etc. I think these opinion polls are the same except for every 4 to 8 years they just re-insert a new name.

jetsetter
04-25-2007, 02:11 PM
The thing is that some of what was listed has been going on in one way or another for the past 200 years. It didn't start with Bush and it will not end with him.

Alex-L
04-25-2007, 03:30 PM
I started laughing about two sentences into number 1 and continued throughout.

Mastermind
04-25-2007, 03:30 PM
The article reflects my sentiments exactly. No doubt, Berliners were laughing all the way to Dresden in 1933-1945.

Bert
04-25-2007, 03:52 PM
Whether or not this is hyperbole, the fact that people notice this ridiculous bureaucracy and creeping police state, and make an outcry about it (doesn't matter if it's calm debate or dictator finger-pointing like this) is a sign of a healthy public environment. The day the public simply accepts the PATRIOT Act, REAL ID and cameras everywhere without even considering the fact that Mr. Government might not always be right, is the day we truly need to worry.

Wodan
04-25-2007, 04:26 PM
its ok, that you think your nation isn't becoming a fascist state..

but the thing is: you don't even consider it being possibly, which makes me a bit fearfull..

as thats the point where it becomes easily possible

Alex-L
04-25-2007, 04:39 PM
its ok, that you think your nation isn't becoming a fascist state..

but the thing is: you don't even consider it being possibly, which makes me a bit fearfull..

as thats the point where it becomes easily possible

nope I dont ever consider it being possibly...

there would have to be a HUGE shift in policy and the whole way our government works for it to happen. Now for some ideals to seep in, i can see thats possible...

Laworkerbee
04-25-2007, 04:46 PM
its ok, that you think your nation isn't becoming a fascist state..

but the thing is: you don't even consider it being possibly, which makes me a bit fearfull..

as thats the point where it becomes easily possible

wake me up when they start "trying" to confiscate firearms, until then this is a big yawn.

Mastermind
04-25-2007, 04:53 PM
Whether or not this is hyperbole, the fact that people notice this ridiculous bureaucracy and creeping police state, and make an outcry about it (doesn't matter if it's calm debate or dictator finger-pointing like this) is a sign of a healthy public environment. The day the public simply accepts the PATRIOT Act, REAL ID and cameras everywhere without even considering the fact that Mr. Government might not always be right, is the day we truly need to worry.
Hate to tell ya..but THEY'ER HEEEE-EEERRR!

In Las Vegas, Clark County, we already have cameras on every controlled intersection, we have no one who has objected to the Patriot Act that have been listend to (freedom of speech does not mean anyone has to listen to what you are saying), and try giving a cop a false ID and see what happens to ya, that is IF you are a legal citizen...Mexicans present false ID daily here, according to police friends of mine, and absolutely nothing happens to them. On cop told me they don't even bother running NCIC on them anymore they have so many aliases now. They say the number of alises that show up are an indication how many times they have crossed the border ...he said they average about 25 alieses per illegal they have run on NCIC. But, the dept says they to stop it because it is clogging up the local system.

The totolitarian state has arrived...if you don't believe that, just check out how many illegal statutes our "Supreme Court Rulers" uphold...income tax, social security, states rights to resist the Fed Gvt, OSHA, Welfare, Abortion, property seizure without due process....the list is practically endless.

vryhpyammoadded
04-25-2007, 05:26 PM
The US won’t go Fascist…yet. Give it time and expect a smiling, popular Democrat to slip the knife in, not a Republican, although, they’ll let it happen.
For now, expect a continued slide under the watchful gaze of our managerial elite that continues nibbling away at our rights by way of Anarcho Tyranny. Our lazy voter populace seems more than happy to allow it, offering almost no resistance, seemingly desiring the collective’s incremental slavery over individual freedoms at every turn.

Durandal
04-25-2007, 05:44 PM
Even if the congressmen had the legal abilities to draft legislation, they would not have the time. They need to rely on their staff to tell them the detail, and they really should read it. Most amendments are not that long.

Again, no one we are electing is actually WRITING what becomes law. I find that a bit shocking. I mean, if it was staff, that is one thing, but bills are being put together by special interest groups NOT elected leaders and their staff.

THe problem is that none of the people are doing their freaking jobs. What they are doing is trying to get elected the next round so they can ignore their job more and let non-elected non-representational individuals and groups build the laws...

2Sheds_Jackson
04-25-2007, 06:04 PM
Wow, the right wing nutters were claiming the same thing almost 8 years ago when that douce-bag Kliton was president. There were rumors that he would not leave office after his term expired, etc.

Mmmm...I was a relentless news hound at the time and don't recall ever seeing that from any quarter. They said plenty about Clinton, but I don't remember that.

The article is awful - I could write a similarly persuasive argument using the same 10 steps ...but before Bush ever set foot in Washington. If one is willing to be pedantic enough (as the author is), one can show that every very step we back away from anarchy is a step towards fascism (and I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that the term fascism is being misused again).

2Sheds_Jackson
04-25-2007, 06:09 PM
Again, no one we are electing is actually WRITING what becomes law. I find that a bit shocking. I mean, if it was staff, that is one thing, but bills are being put together by special interest groups NOT elected leaders and their staff.

THe problem is that none of the people are doing their freaking jobs. What they are doing is trying to get elected the next round so they can ignore their job more and let non-elected non-representational individuals and groups build the laws...

I've gotta tell you - I once had a job where we had to keep track of new law that Congress generated in order to remain in compliance. It was hellish. The sheer volume of utter bullsh*t that they generate on a weekly basis is staggering. There's simply no way one human being could maintain 100% situational awareness of every detail of every bill - or hell even 100% detail of a single bill. It's really obvious that while there are maybe 2 or 3 nuggets of badly needed reform or change in every law, there's about 20,000 words of special interest goodies written into each one - that pass like a B-2 right through the radar screen.

Durandal
04-25-2007, 06:14 PM
I've gotta tell you - I once had a job where we had to keep track of new law that Congress generated in order to remain in compliance. It was hellish. The sheer volume of utter bullsh*t that they generate on a weekly basis is staggering. There's simply no way one human being could maintain 100% situational awareness of every detail of every bill - or hell even 100% detail of a single bill. It's really obvious that while there are maybe 2 or 3 nuggets of badly needed reform or change in every law, there's about 20,000 words of special interest goodies written into each one - that pass like a B-2 right through the radar screen.

Oh, I am not doubting that.

What concerns me is that BP or Unions are writing the bills not the staff of Congressmen.

Firetxmi
04-25-2007, 06:54 PM
I've gotta tell you - I once had a job where we had to keep track of new law that Congress generated in order to remain in compliance. It was hellish. The sheer volume of utter bullsh*t that they generate on a weekly basis is staggering. There's simply no way one human being could maintain 100% situational awareness of every detail of every bill - or hell even 100% detail of a single bill. It's really obvious that while there are maybe 2 or 3 nuggets of badly needed reform or change in every law, there's about 20,000 words of special interest goodies written into each one - that pass like a B-2 right through the radar screen.

I have a good friend who does that for his current job (he consults to do it actually). He says it is unbelievably hellish!

We had a case here in my town where the local circuit judge was blindsided by a new law (the clerk actually rejected the plea because of this new law that the judge didn't know about). It was written by the state legislature, so I can't even imagine what it would be like at the federal level.

Klatuu
04-25-2007, 07:31 PM
Mmmm...I was a relentless news hound at the time and don't recall ever seeing that from any quarter. They said plenty about Clinton, but I don't remember that.

The article is awful - I could write a similarly persuasive argument using the same 10 steps ...but before Bush ever set foot in Washington. If one is willing to be pedantic enough (as the author is), one can show that every very step we back away from anarchy is a step towards fascism (and I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that the term fascism is being misused again).

I remember it well. They were screaming "see, see?" when the 2000 election thing started in Fla. I also remember the "Clinton has left 300 corpses in his wake" brain trustees. Psst, you know they killed Vince Foster and Ron Brown, right?

The difference? The Right Wing Nutters don't run the media, there's only a handful of them, and they are (rightfully) marginalized by the mainstream. Contrast this with the Left Wing Nutters that occupy and dominate virtually every niche of the media, save talk raido, are Legion in number, and have virtual control of the Democratic Party.

The only things keeping Conservatism afloat is that not a single solitary Liberal Democrat policy can achieve anything it purports to, and that they are in fact usually destructive of the ends they seek to advance. Americans are still smart enough to understand this, even though from time to time we heed the siren call of Free Lunches in a world where Cause and Effect are suspended, Nothing is Your Fault, and other Consequence-Free, Snake Oil policies. We tend to wake up from that "dream".

I used to laugh when I read things like this article by Naomi Wolf (who is a total babe, or at least used to be), because I thought people who wrote them were just engaging in hyperbole to give their point a bas relief against the wall of reality, but they really mean this stuff. They really cannot tell Bush from Hitler, America from Iran, Gitmo from Treblinka, or differentiate a US Military that puts almost cripling restraints on it's tremendous power from terrorists who put absolutely no restraints on theirs, and until these folks elicit the same snorts of derision that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell do, we're in a bit of a pickle.

Lokos
04-25-2007, 11:05 PM
Misleading and over the top list of accusations. I especially laughed at the 'suspended rule of law' section.

Not worth the reading time.

Lokos

Calanen
04-26-2007, 12:55 AM
If the USA was really fascist, Rosie and most of CNN would be chained to the floor in Gitmo.

Keeping on top of the law is hard work - there are so many laws, that not even the lawyers or judges understand them all. The public is partially to blame, because they want new laws for everything. The Congressmen just need to keep on top of the bills as far as they can by reading them before they get passed. Some would vote on party lines so may not care what it says (not that I am recommending that).

In Australia the Parliamentary library prepares a summary and discussion papers on bills before they go to the house or the senate, that are very good. Im sure the better funded US congress has something similar or way better. And couldn't you at the very least get some bright eyed intern to summarise the key points of bills for you, with a folder indexed and tabbed....there would be people queueing up to do that job.

theholeinthedonut
04-26-2007, 01:26 AM
Misleading and over the top list of accusations. I especially laughed at the 'suspended rule of law' section.

Not worth the reading time.

Lokos

Bingo!! The last sentence of your post is the most sensible thing that can be said about the article.

gilgoul
04-26-2007, 04:04 AM
The day Americans have their arms taken away from them, then I'll take this kind of article without a dismissive laugh.

2Sheds_Jackson
04-26-2007, 11:54 AM
I remember it well. They were screaming "see, see?" when the 2000 election thing started in Fla. I also remember the "Clinton has left 300 corpses in his wake" brain trustees. Psst, you know they killed Vince Foster and Ron Brown, right?

I remember plenty of exposition about Gore trying to steal the 2000 election, but not Clinton using it to stay in power forever. The Clinton body count / march of convicts is all well and good, but even his most ardent supporters would have been hard pressed to explain why he was serving more than 8 years. But hey, I suppose there may have been some toothless militia guy living in a barricaded cabin in Montana printing newsletters for his wife - who is also his sister - who claimed as much.

California Joe
04-26-2007, 12:03 PM
So how is your sister anyway?