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Jelle H.
04-26-2007, 06:09 AM
Documents: U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII

POSTED: 0322 GMT (1122 HKT), April 25, 2007
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/25/comfort.women.ap/index.html

TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Japan's abhorrent practice of enslaving women to provide sex for its troops in World War II has a little-known sequel: After its surrender -- with tacit approval from the U.S. occupation authorities -- Japan set up a similar "comfort women" system for American GIs.

An Associated Press review of historical documents and records -- some never before translated into English -- shows American authorities permitted the official brothel system to operate despite internal reports that women were being coerced into prostitution. The Americans also had full knowledge by then of Japan's atrocious treatment of women in countries across Asia that it conquered during the war.

Tens of thousands of women were employed to provide cheap sex to U.S. troops until the spring of 1946, when Gen. Douglas MacArthur shut the brothels down.

The documents show the brothels were rushed into operation as American forces poured into Japan beginning in August 1945.

"Sadly, we police had to set up sexual comfort stations for the occupation troops," recounts the official history of the Ibaraki Prefectural Police Department, whose jurisdiction is just northeast of Tokyo. "The strategy was, through the special work of experienced women, to create a breakwater to protect regular women and girls."

The orders from the Ministry of the Interior came on August 18, 1945, one day before a Japanese delegation flew to the Philippines to negotiate the terms of their country's surrender and occupation.

The Ibaraki police immediately set to work. The only suitable facility was a dormitory for single police officers, which they quickly converted into a brothel. Bedding from the navy was brought in, along with 20 comfort women. The brothel opened for business September 20.

Brothel was 'elbow to elbow'
"As expected, after it opened it was elbow to elbow," the history says. "The comfort women ... had some resistance to selling themselves to men who just yesterday were the enemy, and because of differences in language and race, there were a great deal of apprehensions at first. But they were paid highly, and they gradually came to accept their work peacefully."

Police officials and Tokyo businessmen established a network of brothels under the auspices of the Recreation and Amusement Association, which operated with government funds. On August 28, 1945, an advance wave of occupation troops arrived in Atsugi, just south of Tokyo. By nightfall, the troops found the RAA's first brothel.

"I rushed there with two or three RAA executives, and was surprised to see 500 or 600 soldiers standing in line on the street," Seiichi Kaburagi, the chief of public relations for the RAA, wrote in a 1972 memoir. He said American MPs were barely able to keep the troops under control.

Though arranged and supervised by the police and civilian government, the system mirrored the comfort stations established by the Japanese military abroad during the war.

Kaburagi wrote that occupation GIs paid upfront and were given tickets and condoms. The first RAA brothel, called Komachien -- The Babe Garden -- had 38 women, but due to high demand that was quickly increased to 100. Each woman serviced from 15 to 60 clients a day.

American historian John Dower, in his book "Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of WWII," says the charge for a short session with a prostitute was 15 yen, or about a dollar, roughly the cost of half a pack of cigarettes.

Kaburagi said the sudden demand forced brothel operators to advertise for women who were not licensed prostitutes.

Natsue Takita, a 19-year-old Komachien worker whose relatives had been killed in the war, responded to an ad seeking an office worker. She was told the only positions available were for comfort women and was persuaded to accept the offer.

According to Kaburagi's memoirs, published in Japanese after the occupation ended in 1952, Takita jumped in front of a train a few days after the brothel started operations.

"The worst victims ... were the women who, with no previous experience, answered the ads calling for `Women of the New Japan,"' he wrote.

By the end of 1945, about 350,000 U.S. troops were occupying Japan. At its peak, Kaburagi wrote, the RAA employed 70,000 prostitutes to serve them. There are also suspicions -- though there is not clear evidence -- that non-Japanese comfort women were imported to Japan as part of the program.

Toshiyuki Tanaka, a history professor at the Hiroshima Peace Institute, cautioned that Kaburagi's number is hard to document. But he added the RAA was also only part of the picture -- the number of private brothels outside the official system was likely even higher.

The U.S. occupation leadership provided the Japanese government with penicillin for comfort women servicing occupation troops, established prophylactic stations near the RAA brothels and, initially, condoned the troops' use of them, according to documents discovered by Tanaka.

Occupation leaders were not blind to the similarities between the comfort women procured by Japan for its own troops and those it recruited for the GIs.

A December 6, 1945, memorandum from Lt. Col. Hugh McDonald, a senior officer with the Public Health and Welfare Division of the occupation's General Headquarters, shows U.S. occupation forces were aware the Japanese comfort women were often coerced.

"The girl is impressed into contracting by the desperate financial straits of her parents and their urging, occasionally supplemented by her willingness to make such a sacrifice to help her family," he wrote. "It is the belief of our informants, however, that in urban districts the practice of enslaving girls, while much less prevalent than in the past, still exists."

The RAA collapses
Amid complaints from military chaplains and concerns that disclosure of the brothels would embarrass the occupation forces back in the United States, on March 25, 1946, MacArthur placed all brothels, comfort stations and other places of prostitution off limits. The RAA soon collapsed.

MacArthur's primary concern was not only a moral one.

By that time, Tanaka says, more than a quarter of all American GIs in the occupation forces had a sexually transmitted disease.

"The nationwide off-limits policy suddenly put more than 150,000 Japanese women out of a job," Tanaka wrote in a 2002 book on sexual slavery. Most continued to serve the troops illegally. Many had VD and were destitute, he wrote.

Under intense pressure, Japan's government apologized in 1993 for its role in running brothels around Asia and coercing women into serving its troops. The issue remains controversial today.

In January, California Rep. Mike Honda offered a resolution in the House condemning Japan's use of sex slaves, in part to renew pressure on Japan ahead of the closure of the Asian Women's Fund, a private foundation created two years after the apology to compensate comfort women.

The fund compensated only 285 women in the Philippines, South Korea and Taiwan, out of an estimated 50,000 to 200,000 comfort women enslaved by Japan's military in those countries during the war. Each received 2 million yen, about $17,800. A handful of Dutch and Indonesian women were also given assistance.

The fund closed, as scheduled, on March 31.

Haruki Wada, the fund's executive director, said its creation marked an important change in attitude among Japan's leadership and represented the will of Japan's "silent majority" to see that justice is done. He also noted that although it was a private organization, the government was its main sponsor, kicking in 4.625 billion yen, about $40 million.

Even so, he admitted it fell short of expectations.

"The vast majority of the women did not come forward," he said.

As a step toward acknowledging and resolving the exploitation of Japanese women, however, it was a complete failure.

Though they were free to do so, no Japanese women sought compensation.

"Not one Japanese woman has come forward to seek compensation or an apology," Wada said. "Unless they feel they can say they were completely forced against their will, they feel they cannot come forward."

Vorian
04-26-2007, 07:00 AM
Nothing new here either.........similar with the thread about what Allies did to Germany...things like that happen in wars, but we only speak of them if the enemy did it.

And it's exactly why we should avoid wars if possible.

a_very_ex_STAB
04-26-2007, 07:10 AM
So what?
The British had military supervised brothels as well.

Shock horror - soldiers like to shag:roll:

Vinny_121_DDS
04-26-2007, 07:26 AM
Nothing new here either.........similar with the thread about what Allies did to Germany...things like that happen in wars, but we only speak of them if the enemy did it.

And it's exactly why we should avoid wars if possible.

exactly. double standards everyday.

Sand Man
04-26-2007, 08:04 AM
That's horrible. They should pay the women's families a hundred grand each.

KB
04-26-2007, 08:31 AM
...and then therer's Olangapo in the Philippines, and Pattaya Beach in Thailand.

INCONEL
04-26-2007, 09:58 AM
That's horrible. They should pay the women's families a hundred grand each.


You're not serious...are you...? They should have let the Soviets in there..so they could do it "Berlin Style" The Japs should be glad that's all that happened, after the things they did to the Chinese, and the people of the Philippines.

el borracho
04-26-2007, 10:03 AM
Different standards in different times. Gen. Chennault reportedly ran a chain of brothels in the CBI theater, and thousands of occupation troops remarked that since the economy was so bad in the war-torn countries immediately after the conflict, women would frequently offer themselves for chocolate, cigarettes, and other small amounts of food or goods to help them survive.

It's interesting to note that about a year or two ago, DoD put out a policy that stated no US serviceperson was to solicit or hire a prostitute. This was an attempt to curb human trafficking and exploitation in other parts of the world, but I really don't know how effective the policy is, or if it's being enforced.

XASA
04-26-2007, 10:26 AM
Hindsight is always 20-20.

Japan was ravished by WWII and hunger was prevalent throughout the society. Prostitution was a means to provide for their families. My father told me that in post war Germany five cigarettes was the going price in 1946 for sex with a fraulein and in France in 1944, he could have sex with every woman in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline--of course, no one wants to talk about that now.

The difference was that no one force them to be prostitutes and they were paid for their services unlike the "comfort women". Not a pleasant situation but reality sucks.

Frutzel
04-26-2007, 10:34 AM
You're not serious...are you...? They should have let the Soviets in there..so they could do it "Berlin Style" The Japs should be glad that's all that happened, after the things they did to the Chinese, and the people of the Philippines.


23 posts and you have nothing better to say? Do you have an idea what the Japanese did in china?! goddamnit you don't know nothing!:bash:

But it's okay ...the russians are allways the worst people on earth.This is getting little boring don't you thing?

Vorian
04-26-2007, 10:53 AM
Hindsight is always 20-20.

Japan was ravished by WWII and hunger was prevalent throughout the society. Prostitution was a means to provide for their families. My father told me that in post war Germany five cigarettes was the going price in 1946 for sex with a fraulein and in France in 1944, he could have sex with every woman in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline--of course, no one wants to talk about that now.

The difference was that no one force them to be prostitutes and they were paid for their services unlike the "comfort women". Not a pleasant situation but reality sucks.

I wouldn't call five cigarettes or five gallons of gasoline payment...sounds more like exploiting to me.

XASA
04-26-2007, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't call five cigarettes or five gallons of gasoline payment...sounds more like exploiting to me.

Like I said, reality sucks, especially during a World War. "To the conquerors go the spoils" is an adage as old as warfare itself.

What you fail to understand in making such an assumption without any research is what those five cigarettes or gasoline could buy for those who you consider to have been "exploited". Black market goods were currency in post-war Europe and, since you weren't there and, obviously, have no idea what you are talking about, you can start your education by reading the links below, then, perhaps, you can make a comment without bias against American soldiers who didn't want to be in that situation in the first place:

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germany/ger4548west.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2002/fall/berlin-black-market-1.html

2Sheds_Jackson
04-26-2007, 05:05 PM
Hindsight is always 20-20.

Japan was ravished by WWII and hunger was prevalent throughout the society. Prostitution was a means to provide for their families. My father told me that in post war Germany five cigarettes was the going price in 1946 for sex with a fraulein and in France in 1944, he could have sex with every woman in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline--of course, no one wants to talk about that now.

The difference was that no one force them to be prostitutes and they were paid for their services unlike the "comfort women". Not a pleasant situation but reality sucks.

x2 - you make excellent points here. They were not forced into this - they were paid for their services, and when MacArthur ended the practice, it caused a lot of hardship for the women who'd become accustomed to having quite a bit of $ to spend.

Essentially, these were prostitutes, not "comfort women". Prostitution is kind of gross - but it's happening in every country in the world today, and legal in most.

XASA
04-26-2007, 10:46 PM
x2 - you make excellent points here. They were not forced into this - they were paid for their services, and when MacArthur ended the practice, it caused a lot of hardship for the women who'd become accustomed to having quite a bit of $ to spend.

Essentially, these were prostitutes, not "comfort women". Prostitution is kind of gross - but it's happening in every country in the world today, and legal in most.

Hey 2 Sheds, I'm amazed that we finally agree on something:) Camp followers and prostitutes have been around soldiers since the first stone man went to war. The problem with the Japanese was that they made women do it at the point of the bayonet.

INCONEL
04-26-2007, 11:14 PM
23 posts and you have nothing better to say? Do you have an idea what the Japanese did in china?! goddamnit you don't know nothing!:bash:

But it's okay ...the russians are allways the worst people on earth.This is getting little boring don't you thing?


What is your point? Or do you have one... besides the one on top of your skull? Would you like to put forward a slice of your knowledge on the subject of the Japanese Army in china in the 30's...and in The Philippines during their occupation during the 40's? Tell me what I don't know please...You see, most of the books I've read on the subject are 40+ years old...before the PC A-holes out there decided to white-wash history to make it easier on the sensibilities of the weak of heart and stomach. To say I don't know anything...when you do not know anything about me, is absurd.

gaijinsamurai
04-26-2007, 11:30 PM
...so, basically, what you are saying, Inconel, is that Japanese women deserved to have been raped "Berlin Style", because of what their government and military did in China and the Phillipines?

INCONEL
04-27-2007, 01:05 AM
"They should have let the Soviets in there" The sentence should have started with the word "maybe" as if to say; As far as I'm concerned, (and this is my opinion, not yours) the Japanese people should be glad that the United States wasn't the barbaric animals in their occupation of the country, like the Japanese were in those two particular countries..by far, not the only two.. also in my opinion, reimbursement to the families?? It is like someone complaining about the unfair treatment of Jeffery Dahmer in jail after he was convicted. Like I stated...you don't have to like my opinion....That is the beauty of it...The allies won the war....that is why I am FREE to express one.

gaijinsamurai
04-27-2007, 01:28 AM
I agree with you that the Japanese should be grateful that it was the US who occupied them after the war, and not the Soviets or the countries who were victimized by them.

Invisigoth
04-27-2007, 06:35 AM
What is your point? Or do you have one... besides the one on top of your skull? Would you like to put forward a slice of your knowledge on the subject of the Japanese Army in china in the 30's...and in The Philippines during their occupation during the 40's? Tell me what I don't know please...You see, most of the books I've read on the subject are 40+ years old...before the PC A-holes out there decided to white-wash history to make it easier on the sensibilities of the weak of heart and stomach. To say I don't know anything...when you do not know anything about me, is absurd.

Hm Japanese army in Manchuria during WWII? Unit 731 (declared war crimes by United Nations)? I'd say the things they did were quite atrocious. (much like any other country in the world has dark parts in its history)

2Sheds_Jackson
04-27-2007, 08:17 PM
Hey 2 Sheds, I'm amazed that we finally agree on something:) Camp followers and prostitutes have been around soldiers since the first stone man went to war. The problem with the Japanese was that they made women do it at the point of the bayonet.

Well I'm not a total dingus. I'm kind of wondering what the purpose of this news is - I mean - it's almost the exact opposite of news - we knew about this 50 years ago. Things like this don't just suddenly pop up unless there's some angle behind it. I'm feeling like I need to wait for the other shoe to drop...

HOLLiS
04-27-2007, 08:51 PM
That is the big differences. Prostitution has been going on since the beginning of time. It may not be the best life style though some people choose to do it. Being forced to do it, is completely different.

My Dad told me before the War, Navy medical people would inspect the cat houses, to keep VD and other disease down. The do gooders in the state heard about this and the Navy was forced not to do that any more. VD went up in the Navy.

There is just no comparison with the title of this article and the Japanese soldiers use of "comfort girls".



"Originally Posted by XASA http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2462827#post2462827)
Hey 2 Sheds, I'm amazed that we finally agree on something:-) Camp followers and prostitutes have been around soldiers since the first stone man went to war. The problem with the Japanese was that they made women do it at the point of the bayonet."

2Sheds_Jackson
04-27-2007, 10:39 PM
...as a matter of fact -I remember catching a really bad old movie a couple of months ago...with the ultra macho Jack Palance IIRC - about a bunch of Marines in Japan, during the Korean war I think...and yeah, they spent their time bouncing between whorehouses - the Japanese women were portrayed as basically willing to hook up with any American with $ to spend. Wish I could remember the name...

gaijinsamurai
04-28-2007, 06:48 AM
Last night, I attended my cousin's 25th wedding anniversary party, and my uncle told me that when he was in the US Army in the 1950's, he was stationed in Tokyo, with the occupation forces. I couldn't help thinking of this article and chuckling to myself, especially knowing my "experiences" as a US Marine in the Orient in th 1990's............

XASA
04-28-2007, 08:57 AM
Well I'm not a total dingus. I'm kind of wondering what the purpose of this news is - I mean - it's almost the exact opposite of news - we knew about this 50 years ago. Things like this don't just suddenly pop up unless there's some angle behind it. I'm feeling like I need to wait for the other shoe to drop...

I'm sure it isn't a coincidence that the issue of Americans and prostitutes suddenly popped up after 50 years. The "comfort women" case went before the Japanese court yesterday, and the ruling went against the sex slaves. Also, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is presently on a state visit to the U.S.and is trying to head off a resolution on Japan’s wartime sex slavery in the House of Representatives during a two-day visit to Washington. This is some P.R. guy's attempt to distract folks from the real issue.

BTW: A film I saw as a teenager in the Sixties, "Marines Let's Go," with Tom Tryon and David Hedison, placed more emphasis on the riotous behavior of men on leave in Japan with willing Japanese girls than it did on fighting in Korea. Another film was Billy Wilder's "A Foreign Affair" (1948), which chronicle the fun-filled life of American soldiers in post-war Berlin. There were others, too, and because of them, I couldn't wait to enlist because it sure look like they were having more fun overseas than was possible in the States.

INCONEL
04-28-2007, 09:44 AM
There were others, too, and because of them, I couldn't wait to enlist because it sure look like they were having more fun overseas than was possible in the States.


Now that's funny!:)

Henry's Fork
04-29-2007, 10:23 PM
There is just no comparison with the title of this article and the Japanese soldiers use of "comfort girls".


On this Chinese picture forum, that happens to be run by the Chinese government (go figgure), that i frequent, lumps the US in with the Japanese in their atrocities against Asian women. Only their little bit of propaganda fizzles because in all the photos of the evil American GI super rapeists, shows a happy and smiling 'female companion' partying on. While all the Japanese photos show the opposite.

There seem to be a few parties that are using this topic as a poltical agenda. :|

gaijinsamurai
04-29-2007, 10:30 PM
As you've probably noticed, Henry's Fork, there are a handful of members on this forum who love to bring up WWII issues in order to bash the Japanese. Not to make excuses for their WWII behavior, of course.........

HOLLiS
04-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Gaijin, I don't know what some one would want to bash the Japanese. Japan today is not the same as Japan in the 1930's. I would say the US has changed too, but not as much.

I think often propaganda that digs up the past is not so much about "bashing" the other side as it is to control problems in the country digging it up.

The Chinese have a lot to be proud of and ashame of too, like all nations. I think the energy spent would be better served focusing on issues of today and not events that happened over 50 years ago.

The world has a great opportunity to get beyond the insanity of the cold war and actually do things to build a better planet. It seems petty politics and self serving interests seems to prevent that.

Henry's Fork
04-29-2007, 10:56 PM
As you've probably noticed, Henry's Fork, there are a handful of members on this forum who love to bring up WWII issues in order to bash the Japanese. Not to make excuses for their WWII behavior, of course.........

Yes, it was one of the main reasons i stopped lurking and signed up here. The one sided Nihon bashing by parties who really need to look at what their own countries are doing these days, not just 60 years ago.

gaijinsamurai
04-29-2007, 11:47 PM
It is a fact that the Chinese Government orchestrated a lot of the heated riots against Japan in their country a few years ago, and like dictatorships everywhere, like to exhagerate the importance of a regional "boogeyman", in order to draw attention away from their own shortcomings.
As long as everyone is crying over history books or visits to Yasukune Shrine, less attention will be given to Tibet or the plight of farmers in China.
They also see the importance in the US-Japanese alliance, and would love to draw a wedge between the two countries, not to mention keep Japan from gaining a seat on the UN Security Council, should it expand.
Mind you, I've got nothing against the Chinese people, as many of my friends in Japan were Chinese. And, they do have some valid points, such as the refusal of many people in the Japanese Government to properly take responsibility for the "comfort women" issue, as well as stupid things Japanese politicians say on a seemingly regular basis.

Mastermind
05-01-2007, 06:36 PM
It has been the story of every war throughout history...it is called "Human Nature".

Jelle H.
05-01-2007, 06:49 PM
It has been the story of every war throughout history...it is called "Human Nature".

These 'comfort women', often younger than 18, were forced into prostitution and damaged for life. Mentally and physically. Using these women was a crime.

Yes, it sometimes looks like crime is part of "Human Nature".

Mastermind
05-01-2007, 07:21 PM
These 'comfort women', often younger than 18, were forced into prostitution and damaged for life. Mentally and physically. Using these women was a crime.

Yes, it sometimes looks like crime is part of "Human Nature".

"Sometimes"??? Everything we do is part of our nature...As much as we might not like to look at ourselves in the mirror..as a species, we can be really disgusting. I hate to sound so cynical, but, a Boss of mine once told me this when I was complaining about some subordinates of mine who had failed to accomplish their assigned tasks...and his few words of wisdom really stuck to me..."My boy...always remember...People ARE dissappointing."