View Full Version : German Economic Boom Creates Job Machine
Kletterbuxe
04-26-2007, 05:47 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,479149,00.html
Seems that germany is back after a pretty bad decade.
shadowsrider
04-26-2007, 06:47 AM
Good news, it will also positively influence on our region.
perdurabo
04-26-2007, 06:50 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,479149,00.html
Seems that germany is back after a pretty bad decade.
woot good job ze Germans
The problem is only that we must come to an arrangement with this development and also have to understand what happens here with our social structure.
Germany was before the 2000s always a social state of first quality, and the few people who had a situation less than good, were mainly immigrants. Indeed, for a long while you could have gotten incredible high social welfare. Becoming unemployed was not a real problem unless you weren't qualified enough to find a new job, but that was mostly the case because even people with lower graduation had good chances in comparison. And at that time, many unemployed got more money from the state budget than you'd earn as salary in some jobs. Today, that's otherwise. You have to fight a lot with the expanding bureaucracy in this country to get one single cent, and the taxes permanently increase. I remember how I almost became crazy as I tried to get the money for my glasses back from my health insurance...
However, when today the economy booms again, it only means that gobalisation at last has reached us, and we must position ourselves more and more to a fickle life and must get through long hard hauls. We have phenomenons like real poverty in Germany again, and thereby a tendency to social tension fields which nobody would have held for possible.
In addition, the state still has very high debts, debts with which Chancellor Kohl prepared the hole in which Chancellor Schröder consequently fell and made everything even worse. Seven years of Red-and-green have not been good for us, due to the many interests of both parties that collided with the measures the country in fact had needed at that time.
caleb
04-26-2007, 12:06 PM
In addition, the state still has very high debts, debts with which Chancellor Kohl prepared the hole in which Chancellor Schröder consequently fell and made everything even worse. Seven years of Red-and-green have not been good for us, due to the many interests of both parties that collided with the measures the country in fact had needed at that time.
Sorry, have to disagree with you here. To credit this new "Wirtschaftswunder" solely to the rather marginal reforms of the grand coalition under Merkel is BS.
The tough reforms introduced under Schröder play a very big part in this new developement. I don't like how Schröders achievements are being kept ignored, I kinda liked the guy, he was an egocentric bastard at times but he made many good decisions at domestic as well as foreign policy (does Iraq ring a bell).
He had an ungrateful job, solving 16 years of mismanagement under Kohl was not an easy task.
Sorry, have to disagree with you here. To credit this new "Wirtschaftswunder" solely to the rather marginal reforms of the grand coalition under Merkel is BS.
The tough reforms introduced under Schröder play a very big part in this new developement. I don't like how Schröders achievements are being kept ignored, I kinda liked the guy, he was an egocentric bastard at times but he made many good decisions at domestic as well as foreign policy (does Iraq ring a bell).
He had an ungrateful job, solving 16 years of mismanagement under Kohl was not an easy task.
You are allowed to think so. I bet, that historians will even in a half century still disagree about the issue wether Schröder or Merkel are responsible for the 2006 boom.
Freibier
04-26-2007, 01:06 PM
This boom is Schröders work!
He brought on the reforms that really changed something. He set the right course, even Merkel acknowledged that!
Merkel did NOTHING so far, she doesn't even have an opinion on anything since she got chancellor ...
p-) I'm somehow surprised to meet two guys from Bavaria that in fact praise Schröder...
Wodan
04-26-2007, 02:05 PM
p-) I'm somehow surprised to meet two guys from Bavaria that in fact praise Schröder...
yeah, what a coincidence, that both of them post in the same thread
Merfeller
04-26-2007, 03:08 PM
Sorry, have to disagree with you here. To credit this new "Wirtschaftswunder" solely to the rather marginal reforms of the grand coalition under Merkel is BS.
The tough reforms introduced under Schröder play a very big part in this new developement. I don't like how Schröders achievements are being kept ignored, I kinda liked the guy, he was an egocentric bastard at times but he made many good decisions at domestic as well as foreign policy (does Iraq ring a bell).
He had an ungrateful job, solving 16 years of mismanagement under Kohl was not an easy task.
Wow! A pro-SPD Bavarian! A lot has changed since I left Germany in 1995!:)
caleb
04-26-2007, 03:33 PM
Wow! A pro-SPD Bavarian! A lot has changed since I left Germany in 1995!:)
Haha, we're evolving too, you know.
But seriously, credit where credit is due. The reforms that were introduced under red-green were quite radical for German standards, still not radical enough IMO, but now they show some effect.
Doesn't help Schröder anymore though, he will only be remembered as the Gazprom executive he now is...
In fact, Peter Hartz, the inventor of the most radical social system reform of Schröder's "Agenda 2010", said recently, the credits would not go to anyone because the government at that time made terrible failures and the Ministry for Economy changed arbitrary his reform proposal...
Ok, regardless to whoever the credit goes - maybe we can even thank both governments once upon a time because Schröder initiated the right things and the black policy furthered it even more - I'm quite sure that a black, employer-orientated government reaches more than a red one. Bavaria as being in all branches the strongest German state has proven that. Well, nevermind because we'll never finish that discussion I guess...
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