Lefty Sen Webb gets away with it.......

[11 Bravo]

Seems Lefty Webb's assman had the firearms charges dropped - quietly.

Let's see pistol was in man's possession . he did as well enter a federal building with it - no licenses in any way - these are undisputed nor have been denied.
Yet the prosecutor dropped the charges on some vague notion of not likely to convict due to proveability ?. If this is not an elitest politico getting a pass , what is ?. Hell webbski never denied the gun was his , just would not answer much of anything else about the whole thing. Typical politico.

[guja]

And this is Important because?

[KB]

Seems Lefty Webb's assman had the firearms charges dropped - quietly.

Let's see pistol was in man's possession . he did as well enter a federal building with it - no licenses in any way - these are undisputed nor have been denied.
Yet the prosecutor dropped the charges on some vague notion of not likely to convict due to proveability ?. If this is not an elitest politico getting a pass , what is ?. Hell webbski never denied the gun was his , just would not answer much of anything else about the whole thing. Typical politico.

You mean Naval Academy grad Webb? Medically retired Marine officer who was awarded the Navy Cross, Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars for 9 mos of service in Vietnam with 1/5? Who has a 0311 son who just returned from Iraq with a Marine infantry battalion?

He may deserve some epithets, but "Lefty" isn't an appropriate one.

[Dasein]

We don't know any of the real details of the case, so claiming Webb used some influence in an unethical manner is gross speculation. It could very well have been that the charges wouldn't stick.

[Dakota435]

You mean Naval Academy grad Webb? Medically retired Marine officer who was awarded the Navy Cross, Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars for 9 mos of service in Vietnam with 1/5? Who has a 0311 son who just returned from Iraq with a Marine infantry battalion?

He may deserve some epithets, but "Lefty" isn't an appropriate one.

He comes across as more of a Buchannanite isolationist conservative a lot of the time.

Whatever his military past, nowadays he's more of a regular political opportunist than a lefty. He hates Kerry with a passion but is perfectly happy to join the party of Kerry, Pelosi and Reid it it means power.

[buttchowder]

There is no contradiction between being a decorated veteran and a democrat. He is a lefty, can't really deny it.

[Klatuu]

. It could very well have been that the charges wouldn't stick.

He was caught by police with a gun in his possesion. There's nothing stickier that being caught by police in a state of violation of the law.

Judge: Officer, describe the alleged crime.

Officer: He had a gun where it is illegal to have a gun.

Judge: Guilty.

Still don't think so? Do it and prove me wrong.

I don't think it should be illegal in the first place, so I'm not particularly upset over it, and after Cynthia McKinney got away with physical assault on a cop last year any double standard due to position that might be taking place is a step down from that.

Then again, maybe it pays more to be a D's aide than a R's son :

David Huckabee, a son of Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, was arrested at an Arkansas airport Thursday after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded Glock pistol in his carry-on luggage. "I removed the bag and asked Mr. Huckabee if he knew what he had in the bag," Little Rock police officer Arthur Nugent wrote in a report after being summoned to a security checkpoint. "He replied he did now."
Huckabee, 26, later pleaded guilty in Little Rock District Court after being charged with a misdemeanor count of possessing a weapon in a prohibited place.
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/2357

[California Joe]

Look, I have no idea what really happened and I was pretty damned critical of the whole affair when it happened and I think the truth should be explained to the public. Apparently he was given the benefit of the doubt by the courts and his explanation satisfied them. Maybe he has become another cog is a vast liberal conspiracy in your mind and spends his evenings having ritual sodomy with Nancy Pelosi and drinking the blood of conservative virgins but your dismissive and insulting tone towards a decorated combat veteran that has a rather conservative viewpoint both puzzles and annoys me.

[Durandal]

Look, I have no idea what really happened and I was pretty damned critical of the whole affair when it happened and I think the truth should be explained to the public. Apparently he was given the benefit of the doubt by the courts and his explanation satisfied them. Maybe he has become another cog is a vast liberal conspiracy in your mind and spends his evenings having ritual sodomy with Nancy Pelosi and drinking the blood of conservative virgins but your dismissive and insulting tone towards a decorated combat veteran that has a rather conservative viewpoint both puzzles and annoys me.

Soooo true and well put man.

Damn these Democrats, especially the pro-gun fairly conservative ones. If they are a Democrat they are a "lefty".

Ultimately I think that pretty much describes the problems these days in politics. People see party labels and they go blind as if they are relevant.

Before I moved tot he country we had two folks running for Congress. Paul Hackett...a former marine, pro-gun, anti-partial abortion, freedom of religion type...mainly anti-bush libertarian, but the Republican party would have nothing to do with him and a lot of the wealthy types in the area go with party only mentalities. So he ran as a Democrat. Not as a liberal, but as a democrat.

He lost to an idiot, because he was far to Conservative for the Democrats in a traditionally conservative district.

This is a guy who, after 3 kids ran through his property off-road, chased them down with an AR-15 and held them at gun point till the cops showed up.

An absolute bad ass...

But people like 11 Bravo seem to think that Democrat means lefty.

Idiots.

I would much rather have him represent me than some old half literate hag, just because she was a "righty"

[NewsMan]

As Iposted before, the aide was carrying bags that the Senator left behind. The weapon was in those bags without the aide's knowledge.

FYI - Webb is not a "lefty". When are you guys gonna quit with the "left vs right" and liberal vs conservative" thing. If you haven't noticed, this country is a majority of people with cross-line ideology.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

But people like 11 Bravo seem to think that Democrat means lefty.



er, unless I missed something - your story kind of proves that, doesn't it? I mean, your guy there can call himself whatever he wants, but he was still to far to the right to be a successfully Democrat...which means the remaining Democrats are...well, y'know....

[11 Bravo]

When Webb marches in lockstep with the likes of Pelosi and Reid...how can he not be lefty ?. That he chased down a car with a rifle that clipped his mailbox - a juvenile prank , but does that merit a vehicular chase and pointing a loaded rifle at such juvies ?. Shows a bit of irrational thought to me.
It smacks me as idiotic to hold anyone as all high and mighty simply because they are a "combat" veteran. That truly is bull. I've known oodles of veterans from being a kid through twelve years of service , and right up to this day. Have known combat vets that were truly stand up guys - of course !. But have met a good handfull that were typical garbage. Just having served under fire does not make a man , nor being awarded medals make the man. To think such accolades give someone a pass - yep that's stupid. Look at Kerry , his medals are very questionable , and that he has backstabbed veterans of the vietnam conflict there is no doubt. Do his medals make him a really swell good guy ?. You would be pretty vacant to be using that as a litmus test , would'nt you ?.
That webb has cast his lot with the leftwing dems sure does take thunder from anything genuine he may utter.
You me or the postman got caught in the very same position as webb's assman...and our asses would be hung out to dry. Try it and find out. Politicians and their minions are given such leeway - it's no doubt for sure now.
Hey , remember that MARINE whom defected to North Vietnam and eventually made his way back to the USA. Does his little time in the field make him a an irreproachable stand up guy too ?.
The left of center dems want socialism.... LEFT OF CENTER...ie - LEFTY. To get their desires they need to tax more , regulate more , and in consequence demand more money and freedoms from the public.

[California Joe]

The left of center dems want socialism.... LEFT OF CENTER...ie - LEFTY. To get their desires they need to tax more , regulate more , and in consequence demand more money and freedoms from the public.

Pal, if you take out the all caps "lefty" part, you just described the current administration over the last 6 years....That is a historical fact at this point...I agree that Harry Reid is a weird f*ck and Nancy is some sort of Cruella DeVille kinda scary bitch but you get a Democrat that leans more right than some Republicans and you rush to lump him in with party leadership based on hysterical paranoia and apparently some irrational hatred of highly decorated Marines. How the hell do you expect the Democrats to ever come to the center if you don't have a few guys like him put in their time till they can get to the leadership.....

[Durandal]

That he chased down a car with a rifle that clipped his mailbox - a juvenile prank , but does that merit a vehicular chase and pointing a loaded rifle at such juvies ?. Shows a bit of irrational thought to me.

Ahhhh, OK. I know who and what you are now.

Thanks.

[usmcprincipal]

The original post and the follow up post were irrational at several different levels; however, I'm still not sure how Senator Webb arrived at "lefty" status other than joining the Democrat Party, nor am I convinced his relationship with Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, et al. will be harmonious.

It seems in reading your posts the pejorative "lefty" moniker is used to describe his opposition to the war and the loathsome feelings he has toward the Bush adminstration, rather than any type of established economic or judicial philosophy. While I disagree with his position on Iraq and don't view the administration as the second coming of Lucifer and his evil minions, I wouldn't automatically conclude him a leftist due to his opposition...I prefer misguided.

Of course, your anger directed at Senator Webb may be nothing more than figurative "little man" syndrome. You know....the big shot getting cut slack for something "Average Joe" would get hammered over.

Your suggestions that military and combat service aren't requisites for solid character are true, but an inadequate reference with respect to Senator Webb. Nothing in his history suggests anything but sound moral character, whether as a Captain of Marines or the Secretary of the Navy.

I would suggest that had Senator Webb assigned the duties of carrying his gear to a former Marine NCO, rather than a former Marine officer, the incident would never have occurred, although my thinking is prejudiced, but not necessarily misplaced.

And as a side note....It was not Senator Webb, who chased down the vehicle that clipped his mailbox. Give that distinction to another Marine, briefly turned politician, from the Cincinnati area.

Semper Fi

[11 Bravo]

Ahhhh, OK. I know who and what you are now.

Thanks.

You betcha you know...someone whom is not going to put himself in a position to SHOOT someone over a damned mailbox. Guess you'd open fire on a jehova's witness if they clipped your mailbox and kept going in the land of the great buckeye.

[11 Bravo]

Pal, if you take out the all caps "lefty" part, you just described the current administration over the last 6 years....That is a historical fact at this point...I agree that Harry Reid is a weird f*ck and Nancy is some sort of Cruella DeVille kinda scary bitch but you get a Democrat that leans more right than some Republicans and you rush to lump him in with party leadership based on hysterical paranoia and apparently some irrational hatred of highly decorated Marines. How the hell do you expect the Democrats to ever come to the center if you don't have a few guys like him put in their time till they can get to the leadership.....


Joe ; I have many USMC buddies - love them all !. To me if Web is more "right " than left and is democratic in todays world he simply is a sellout. He has to be based on whom he is sleeping with - ie nancy , ted clinton etc etc. If Webb were championing some form of cleanup and or change in the DNC socialist agenda I'd be happy to support him , but this is not the case...actions speak louder than words here. I don't see anything he has done to buck the status quo in his party except tout his 'combat experiance'.
The day the dems go near center or tiptoe across that line is the day they don't try and brun their fellows liek leibermann at the stake. Leibermann is a democrat , and to me a damn straightforaward guy , his only knock to me is that he attached himself at the hip to goracle at one time - sort of like a permanent black mark.

[11 Bravo]

The original post and the follow up post were irrational at several different levels; however, I'm still not sure how Senator Webb arrived at "lefty" status other than joining the Democrat Party, nor am I convinced his relationship with Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, et al. will be harmonious.

It seems in reading your posts the pejorative "lefty" moniker is used to describe his opposition to the war and the loathsome feelings he has toward the Bush adminstration, rather than any type of established economic or judicial philosophy. While I disagree with his position on Iraq and don't view the administration as the second coming of Lucifer and his evil minions, I wouldn't automatically conclude him a leftist due to his opposition...I prefer misguided.

Of course, your anger directed at Senator Webb may be nothing more than figurative "little man" syndrome. You know....the big shot getting cut slack for something "Average Joe" would get hammered over.

Your suggestions that military and combat service aren't requisites for solid character are true, but an inadequate reference with respect to Senator Webb. Nothing in his history suggests anything but sound moral character, whether as a Captain of Marines or the Secretary of the Navy.

I would suggest that had Senator Webb assigned the duties of carrying his gear to a former Marine NCO, rather than a former Marine officer, the incident would never have occurred, although my thinking is prejudiced, but not necessarily misplaced.

And as a side note....It was not Senator Webb, who chased down the vehicle that clipped his mailbox. Give that distinction to another Marine, briefly turned politician, from the Cincinnati area.

Semper Fi


Yeah , sure whatever you said...... so I guess you have bias over enlisted ranks Vs Officer ?, well to some extent I can sympathize with that , but that does not excuse how the course of events came to be due to webb's initial actions that put it all in motion = buck stops where on this ?. Sound moral character...that's subjective at a minimum....I know enough not to tote a loaded firearm in the DC area , let alone into a federal establishment on top of that. Sure , he's misguided . Ill agree to that , so is Sen. Mcain , I would not vote for him for dog catcher.