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seruriermarshal
05-02-2004, 11:58 AM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 11:59 AM
The IDF's response just started a few minutes ago...

S'13
05-02-2004, 12:03 PM
The women was eight months pregnant...

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:03 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.



The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

Kriz
05-02-2004, 12:21 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.



The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

What does this have to do with culture ?? By your logic the soldiers who tortured iraqis in a prison represent the entire USA culture.

People who commit such acts have nothing in common with culture for they are barbarians. It doesn't mather where they are from or from which people.

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:24 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.



The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

What does this have to do with culture ?? By your logic the soldiers who tortured iraqis in a prison represent the entire USA culture.

People who commit such acts have nothing in common with culture for they are barbarians. It doesn't mather where they are from or from which people.

How many Americans support the tortures? 1%? 5%?

95% of Palestinians support these attacks, so yes - its part of their culture!

95% of them speak arabic, so its a part of their culture, 95% of them **** goats, so yes - its a part of their culture and YES 95% of them supprt these acts so its a part of their CULTURE!

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:26 PM
95% of Palestinians support these attacks, so yes - its part of their culture!

95% of them speak arabic, so its a part of their cultureI'm sorry for you :(
Get well soon!

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:27 PM
95% of Palestinians support these attacks, so yes - its part of their culture!

95% of them speak arabic, so its a part of their cultureI'm sorry for you :(
Get well soon!

Which part is false?

seruriermarshal
05-02-2004, 12:28 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.






The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

What does this have to do with culture ?? By your logic the soldiers who tortured iraqis in a prison represent the entire USA culture.

People who commit such acts have nothing in common with culture for they are barbarians. It doesn't mather where they are from or from which people.
You crazy ? Who first happen the war ? Palestinians !

Kriz
05-02-2004, 12:30 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.






The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

What does this have to do with culture ?? By your logic the soldiers who tortured iraqis in a prison represent the entire USA culture.

People who commit such acts have nothing in common with culture for they are barbarians. It doesn't mather where they are from or from which people.
You crazy ? Who first happen the war ? Palestinians !

Excuse me ? I don't really get your point here buddy :|

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:32 PM
95% of Palestinians support these attacks, so yes - its part of their culture!

95% of them speak arabic, so its a part of their cultureI'm sorry for you :(
Get well soon!

Which part is false?The culture part and your racialist estimate :)

seruriermarshal
05-02-2004, 12:33 PM
Five Israelis die in Gaza attack (4 children killed)

Four Israeli children and their mother have been killed after two Palestinian gunmen attack a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army said. The attack near the Gush Katif bloc came as Israel's ruling Likud Party voted on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza.

Army Radio said the militants had opened fire on a vehicle, and detonated a bomb after soldiers arrived.

Both gunmen are also said to have been been killed following the attack.






The "gunman" opened fire, then they went to the vehicle and shot the kids from close range! 11,9,7 and 2 years old + their pregnent mother.


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/03072003/367638/5_m.jpg



Palestinian culture, anyone?

What does this have to do with culture ?? By your logic the soldiers who tortured iraqis in a prison represent the entire USA culture.

People who commit such acts have nothing in common with culture for they are barbarians. It doesn't mather where they are from or from which people.
You crazy ? Who first happen the war ? Palestinians !

Excuse me ? I don't really get your point here buddy :|

My meaning , first is Palestinian attack Israeli ......

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:35 PM
My meaning , first is Palestinian attack Israeli ......And for them, Israels attack before was the reason...got that point?

Kriz
05-02-2004, 12:35 PM
So seruriermarshal any time someone from a ethnicty of people attacks an other one, that entire group becomes an ennemy ??

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:36 PM
95% of Palestinians support these attacks, so yes - its part of their culture!

95% of them speak arabic, so its a part of their cultureI'm sorry for you :(
Get well soon!

Which part is false?The culture part and your racialist estimate :)

Defince culture then

if a majority of a group is acting in certian way - that action is part of that groups culture.

If 95% of Palestinians support such an act, and wish to commit such an act - then such an act is a part of their culture.

Unless you have a different defenition of the word "culture" or a different number of % of Palestinians who supprot these kind of acts, then you are the one who lives in denial and needs to get well, soon.

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:37 PM
So it is into Israels culture to kill Palestinians as well ?

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:38 PM
So seruriermarshal any time someone from a ethnicty of people attacks an other one, that entire group becomes an ennemy ??
"someone"? 95% is not "someone".

S'13
05-02-2004, 12:38 PM
A survey conducted among Palestinians, by Palestinians showed that 81.1% of the Palestinians support suicied bombings...

:|

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:41 PM
So it is into Israels culture to kill Palestinians as well ?

When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?

I remmember 2 times: Goldstein and another one... both are hated by 90% of Israelis.

45% of Israelis are considered as "left" and object the whole situation in Gaza... so no, it's not a part of the Israeli culture to kill Palestinians.

seruriermarshal
05-02-2004, 12:41 PM
So seruriermarshal any time someone from a ethnicty of people attacks an other one, that entire group becomes an ennemy ??

What ? The first Middle East war is who starts ? Now you tell me how stop Terrorism by Palestinians ?

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:41 PM
edit

UkrainianAmerican
05-02-2004, 12:42 PM
RIP :(
Get those faggots!

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:43 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:43 PM
RIP :(
Get those faggots!

Faggoats rofl

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:44 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

I see, now you are playing it dumb.

It suits you.

Uninen
05-02-2004, 12:44 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 12:45 PM
Evil people doing evil things. To ambush civilian women and children is just wrong. NO EXCUSES!

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:47 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....

Same thread, different dumb...

You don't actually expect us to react, right?

To everyone: Uninen thinks its ok to shoot a pregnent woman and 4 of her daughters (11,9,7 and 2 yeras old) and by that he marked himself as a beast.
If there are any mods around - please ban this ****er because he is harming this forum with his presence.

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 12:49 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Should all people be required to stay in the town they were born? Leaving your birthtown to settle some where should be punishable by death. Should I have a death warrent on my head becuase I settled in the US and "occupy" some land that rightfully belongs to Native Americans?

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:50 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Should all people be required to stay in the town they were born? Leaving your birthtown to settle some where should be punishable by death. Should I have a death warrent on my head becuase I settled in the US and "occupy" some land that rightfully belongs to Native Americans?

It's useless... this member is a BEAST, no need to reply - he will not understand anyway.

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:50 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

I see, now you are playing it dumb.

It suits you.So it's okay to kill pedestrians when hitting a car with your enemy inside?

weedman
05-02-2004, 12:52 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Although Uninen's statemant was a bit "heavy", you have to compare the political enviroments in your examples.

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 12:54 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

I see, now you are playing it dumb.

It suits you.So it's okay to kill pedestrians when hitting a car with your enemy inside?

1. To save 20 of your people? I think it is
2. Still, 45% of Israelis OBJECT to that - so it is NOT a part of Israeli culture - which is what we talked about (unlike most Palestinians who think its ok to approach a car and shoot 4 kids anf their mother from short range - which makes it a part of their culture)

S'13
05-02-2004, 12:57 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

Even the legal system distinguishes between the two, but I guess you don't let simple logic get in the way of your views.

Uninen
05-02-2004, 12:58 PM
The tip of the iceberg (of Israeli settlements..)


UN condemns Israeli settlements


"illegal and a major obstacle to peace".


Twenty-seven states backed the EU proposal demanding Israel reverse its settlement policy and construction of the "so-called security fence in occupied Palestinian territory".


Two countries - the United States and Congo - rejected the resolution


"How can the Palestinian Authority be expected to fulfil its obligations in the midst of military occupation?" Pakistani Ambassador Shaukat Umer said.


The US dismissed the EU's resolution as "one-sided and distorted".


International humanitarian law prohibits the forcible transfer of segments of the population of a state to the territory of another state which it has occupied as a result of the resort to armed force.

Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 12:59 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Although Uninen's statemant was a bit "heavy", you have to compare the political enviroments in your examples.
I don't have to compare ****. I'm getting tired of these assholes that throw out statements without thinking about what they are typing. Uninen and I have had our disagreements in the past but the planned murder of civilians is F*CKING WRONG!

weedman
05-02-2004, 01:00 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

Even the legal system distinguishes between the two, but I guess you don't let simple logic get in the way of your views.I think it would violate dignity of man to differentiate the quality of loss of human life, but I guess you don't care about such things.

weedman
05-02-2004, 01:02 PM
[2. Still, 45% of Israelis OBJECT to that - so it is NOT a part of Israeli culture - which is what we talked about And you're belonging to this group, right? :lol: :lol:

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:02 PM
The tip of the iceberg (of Israeli settlements..)

Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

Good NAZI thinking ALL CRIMINALS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH, EVEN JAYWALKING, NO TRIAL, NO JUDGE, JUST DEATH TO ALL CRIMINALS. TO BAD STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE AREN'T CRIMES.

Uninen
05-02-2004, 01:03 PM
planned murder of civilians is F*CKING WRONG!

Yeah it is, but the posters here want to show this in a light that makes the "settlers" seem and innocent bystanders, which they arent.

They arent in the sidelines of this conflict, but are in middle of it. And they are one of the major issues of it.

weedman
05-02-2004, 01:04 PM
The tip of the iceberg (of Israeli settlements..)

Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

Good NAZI thinking That is no nationalism, that is true fact.

But - in contrast to you - he said nothing about punishment. :roll:

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 01:04 PM
When was the last time an Israeli killed Palestinian civilians intentionly?
Come on, death is death, no matter if it happen intentionly or not.

Even the legal system distinguishes between the two, but I guess you don't let simple logic get in the way of your views.I think it would violate dignity of man to differentiate the quality of loss of human life, but I guess you don't care about such things.

You are sitting in helicopter - you see a car with a suicide bomber in it - on its way to your home town.

You know that if you won't blow it up now, you won't have a second chance - what will you do?

Can you realy compare civilians which might die in such a case to civilians who were shot from close range?

S'13
05-02-2004, 01:07 PM
Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif

:roll:

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 01:08 PM
The tip of the iceberg (of Israeli settlements..)

Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

Good NAZI thinking That is no nationalism, that is true fact.

But - in contrast to you - he said nothing about punishment. :roll:

Yes he did. He said its ok to kill them.

I never said (and neither 95% of Israelis) that its ok to kill Palestinians just because they are Palestinians.

He is not a Nazi, he is worse. (At least they had a goal - he is motivated by hate and jelussy)

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:10 PM
The tip of the iceberg (of Israeli settlements..)

Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

Good NAZI thinking That is no nationalism, that is true fact.

But - in contrast to you - he said nothing about punishment. :roll:
Weedman from his previous post he was using them being criminal as justification for their killings. What I posted was in SARCASIM!
Could you elaborate on this line:
That is no nationalism, that is true fact. I don't understanding what you are trying to convey.

big80a2
05-02-2004, 01:11 PM
Loads of setlers live on land buyed from palies....
but logic is really hanging on a cliff here with some people.

Uninen
05-02-2004, 01:11 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:11 PM
Need i say more? Its illegal, and so settlers are criminals.

http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif

:roll:
'NOUGH SAID!

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 01:12 PM
[2. Still, 45% of Israelis OBJECT to that - so it is NOT a part of Israeli culture - which is what we talked about And you're belonging to this group, right? :lol: :lol:

Can't read?

I don't. Although I hope we won't have to do it anymore soon.

But yes, I'd rather have 10 dead Palestinians then 25 dead Israelis...

But still, there are groups - there are people who object to that - unlike in the Palestinian side where everyone support it.

To remind you it all started becuase you calimed its not a part of their culture - then you claimed killing Palestinians is a part of Israeli culture. Now your just playing it dumb, which, as I said before - suits you.

S'13
05-02-2004, 01:14 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

big80a2
05-02-2004, 01:14 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Although Uninen's statemant was a bit "heavy", you have to compare the political enviroments in your examples.

Well should you therefor not kill all indonesians living on molukken soil??

kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 01:15 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Although Uninen's statemant was a bit "heavy", you have to compare the political enviroments in your examples.

Well should you therefor not kill all indonesians living on molukken soil??

kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

Now, thats a thought! :hug: (About syrians...)

Uninen
05-02-2004, 01:17 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Well, whats up with the rocket or TOW strike to Gaza, soon after this happened? Seems to me as revenge.

big80a2
05-02-2004, 01:21 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Well, whats up with the rocket or TOW strike to Gaza, soon after this happened? Seems to me as revenge.

It looks like it.... but it is ment to stop future attacks.
see the terrorists avange because they kill just another civilian instead.

Midav
05-02-2004, 01:21 PM
Wow!

Those "brave" Palestinian terrorists purposely targeting a mother and her kids certainly is remarkable :roll:

Stupid terrorists need to be rotted out.

RIP to the mother and her children :(

Uninen
05-02-2004, 01:23 PM
kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

1. Have i even mentioned words "OK" and "KILL"? Let alone in same sentance....
2. Syrians arent actually occupying Lebanon now are they? Cause nobodys resisting or hating them, except for Israelis.
3. Just like Syrians have troops in Lebanon, so does USA has troops in Germany, is USA still occupying Germany? I think not...... and so isnt Syria occupying Lebanon.
4. Syrian troops are in Lebanon to bring peace and stability during and in aftermath of civil war which was masterminded by Israel.

S'13
05-02-2004, 01:23 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Well, whats up with the rocket or TOW strike to Gaza, soon after this happened? Seems to me as revenge.

Revenge would be if we took 300 Palestinains and shot them in the back of the head.

The target which was hit today was a Hamas building.

Uninen
05-02-2004, 01:25 PM
Revenge would be if we took 300 Palestinain and shot them in the back of the head.
No, that would certainly be a crime.

The targets which were hit today were Hamas buildings.
And that was the revenge.

:|

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:27 PM
**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
So should we kill settlers in Australia? South Africa? Finland? Although Uninen's statemant was a bit "heavy", you have to compare the political enviroments in your examples.

Well should you therefor not kill all indonesians living on molukken soil??

kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??
What about killing all settlers around the world? There is alot of muslim immagrants that have settled in France, Germany, Asia, Australia, England, Spain, USA, Canada, etc, etc. Sounds like RACISM to me, is that what you are advocating Uninen? That anyone living in a country that they weren't born in should be irradicated?

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:31 PM
S'13 wrote:

The targets which were hit today were Hamas buildings

ret·ri·bu·tion ( P ) ****unciation Key (rtr-byshn)
n.
Something justly deserved; recompense.
Something given or demanded in repayment, especially punishment.
Theology. Punishment or reward distributed in a future life based on performance in this one.

not

re·venge ( P ) ****unciation Key (r-vnj)
tr.v. re·venged, re·veng·ing, re·veng·es
To inflict punishment in return for (injury or insult).
To seek or take vengeance for (oneself or another person); avenge.

n.
The act of taking vengeance for injuries or wrongs; retaliation.
Something done in vengeance; a retaliatory measure.
A desire for revenge; spite or vindictiveness.
An opportunity to retaliate, as by a return sports match after a defeat.

weedman
05-02-2004, 01:31 PM
It looks like it.... but it is ment to stop future attacks.
And to provoce new ones...

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 01:34 PM
edit

weedman
05-02-2004, 01:34 PM
To remind you it all started becuase you calimed its not a part of their culture - then you claimed killing Palestinians is a part of Israeli culture. Now your just playing it dumb, which, as I said before - suits you.I had not claimed that, I just tried to compare it.

big80a2
05-02-2004, 01:35 PM
kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

1. Have i even mentioned words "OK" and "KILL"? Let alone in same sentance....
2. Syrians arent actually occupying Lebanon now are they? Cause nobodys resisting or hating them, except for Israelis.
3. Just like Syrians have troops in Lebanon, so does USA has troops in Germany, is USA still occupying Germany? I think not...... and so isnt Syria occupying Lebanon.
4. Syrian troops are in Lebanon to bring peace and stability during and in aftermath of civil war which was masterminded by Israel.

Well you can make nice sentance do you :roll:
You justify the killings of setlers and these syrians are also setlers, they are not there to keep peace and stability, they are there to ocupy.
And there are people that apose that. If they kept peace they would stop hizbolla won't they :cantbeli: ?
They are there on unjustified meens.
o, and who started the civilwar?? :cantbeli: :cantbeli:
USA is not ocupying Germany they are there and pay for that.
some people apose that so are they ocupyers??
because you state that when people don't resist ocupation is legal??

And about the molukken?? indonesians ocupy there land.
or did I start a whole new subject people don't know .... hmmm

duck
05-02-2004, 01:37 PM
kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

1. Have i even mentioned words "OK" and "KILL"? Let alone in same sentance....
2. Syrians arent actually occupying Lebanon now are they? Cause nobodys resisting or hating them, except for Israelis.
3. Just like Syrians have troops in Lebanon, so does USA has troops in Germany, is USA still occupying Germany? I think not...... and so isnt Syria occupying Lebanon.
4. Syrian troops are in Lebanon to bring peace and stability during and in aftermath of civil war which was masterminded by Israel.

Wow, so Syria is aiding Hamas & Co to bring peace and stability to Lebanon? Syrian troops let them train terrorist attacks in the Bekaa Valley for the same purpose?

S'13
05-02-2004, 01:40 PM
Revenge would be if we took 300 Palestinain and shot them in the back of the head.
No, that would certainly be a crime.

Strange because that's no different from what the Palestinian terrorists are doing and I don't see you calling it a crime.


The targets which were hit today were Hamas buildings.
And that was the revenge.


:|

Attacking terrorists is always defence...

big80a2
05-02-2004, 01:42 PM
It looks like it.... but it is ment to stop future attacks.
And to provoce new ones...

Well the meening is to try and stop furure atacks.... they might be provoced but if they don't succeed, the the first action could be called a succes. Altrough it's better if you routed out the whole terror infrastruckture.
well they blew up the Hamas radio station so that should be another blow.
only the damage of the station to the mind of young kids has all ready been done.

Javehn
05-02-2004, 02:16 PM
Something for you , Uninen . The shooter were hiding in some abandoned house near the road . That house were signed as a potential threat to IDF , and the case was given to Israeli high court .

High court didn't allow to ruin that house . Ironic now ? You are bitching how bad are Israel , and how they target local population . And all that when Israeli high court rules dessicions , that are killing people life .

Uninen
05-02-2004, 02:20 PM
:cantbeli:

Javehn
05-02-2004, 02:21 PM
:cantbeli:

??

ExtraT
05-02-2004, 02:22 PM
It looks like it.... but it is ment to stop future attacks.
And to provoce new ones...

You know, there is one very striking common ground to all of these "fighters for palestinian freedom": you all have very low expectations of morality from your beloved "opressed" pals.
Somehow, I can't imagine a normal (sane), civilized person shooting a pregnant woman and her 4 children in cold blood. And I wouldn't defend a person that commited such crime NO MATTER WHAT is his/her excuse. But you routinely say that a blown up HAMAS building, an executed murderer (yes, these are executions, not "assasinations") or a slight nuiscence of restricted movement is enough to justify such atrocious acts.

Hypocrisy at it's worst. :|

I suggest you clean up your act, and keep your cage clean - sadly, there aren't as many attendants in The Local Zoo as are needed to remove all the filth that you generate.

born_to_kill
05-02-2004, 02:26 PM
wheres the UN resolution protecting Israeli kids?

it takes a ****ing sick , subhuman barbarian arab to do something like this, to kill kids at close range, innocent kids that probaly cant even spell "occupation"
and while our kids are being murdered all these europeans are complaning about our brutality.

we should deport all these mother****ers to any town in europe so they can see what a palestinian is..****infiashfuioshf****

born_to_kill
05-02-2004, 02:32 PM
thats it **** it.

Even when we be nice to the palestinians in response we get world condemnation and the palestinians kill us.

lets just kill them all, its not like its going to change world opinion

Uninen
05-02-2004, 02:37 PM
thats it f*** it.

Even when we be nice to the palestinians in response we get world condemnation and the palestinians kill us.

lets just kill them all, its not like its going to change world opinion
:roll:

NAZI.

Ichhabe
05-02-2004, 02:39 PM
Uninen: Do you ever sit back for a minute and re-think what you have written before you click on the submit-button?

By saying that the young children are criminals because they are settlers is so stupid that your mom would be ashamed if she saw what you had posted.

No matter how "criminal" the Israeli governments action towards the settling of occupied territories, there are no excuse to kill ANY civilian.

How you even can have the slightest understanding for such terrorist acts makes me sick.

Aussie E
05-02-2004, 02:42 PM
Uninen wrote:

born_to_kill wrote:

thats it f*** it.

Even when we be nice to the palestinians in response we get world condemnation and the palestinians kill us.

lets just kill them all, its not like its going to change world opinion

:roll:

NAZI

**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....
:roll:

HITLER YOUTH

Uninen
05-02-2004, 02:43 PM
:roll:


planned murder of civilians is F*CKING WRONG!

Yeah it is,

duck
05-02-2004, 02:50 PM
kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

1. Have i even mentioned words "OK" and "KILL"? Let alone in same sentance....
2. Syrians arent actually occupying Lebanon now are they? Cause nobodys resisting or hating them, except for Israelis.
3. Just like Syrians have troops in Lebanon, so does USA has troops in Germany, is USA still occupying Germany? I think not...... and so isnt Syria occupying Lebanon.
4. Syrian troops are in Lebanon to bring peace and stability during and in aftermath of civil war which was masterminded by Israel.

Uninen, so planned murder of civilians is wrong? How come you are praising the Syrians who are paying for the bomb-making materials and training of the suicide bombers?

Uninen
05-02-2004, 02:53 PM
Syrians who are paying for the bomb-making materials and training of the suicide bombers?
Says who? Not the UN, its Sharon (massmurderer himself... you know the war in Lebanon....) and his no good gangster buddies that CLAIM so.

weedman
05-02-2004, 02:55 PM
No matter how "criminal" the Israeli governments action towards the settling of occupied territories, there are no excuse to kill ANY civilian.
That's why they use Hellfires and TOWs to destroy cars on streets full of civilians.

Ichhabe
05-02-2004, 03:00 PM
No matter how "criminal" the Israeli governments action towards the settling of occupied territories, there are no excuse to kill ANY civilian.
That's why they use Hellfires and TOWs to destroy cars on streets full of civilians.

The best would of course be a Ninja Mossad agent sneaking himself in to the car and use a piano string to strangle the bastard. But it is a war, unfortunatly. It takes two to tango. So far, this has proven to be the "best" method.

ExtraT
05-02-2004, 03:01 PM
Says who? Not the UN, its Sharon (massmurderer himself... you know the war in Lebanon....) and his no good gangster buddies that CLAIM so.

Really? And how come Syria is in the list of countires that support terrorism?
And how come all "pal" terrorist organizations have official headquarters in Syria?
And where does Hizbullah get their weapons? Maybe it grows them in the Bekaa Valley fields? No, it only grows heroin there - weapons, apparently, don't grow on trees.

And, as an afterthought, where did you get the idea that Sharon is a "mass murderer"?

How's your cage, Uninen? Comfortable??

Argyll
05-02-2004, 03:01 PM
Syrians who are paying for the bomb-making materials and training of the suicide bombers?
Says who? Not the UN, its Sharon (massmurderer himself... you know the war in Lebanon....) and his no good gangster buddies that CLAIM so.



So tell me is Finland free from crime?

It sounds such a wonderful place to live where the sky is blue,there are no crimes,everyones is perfect,there are no handicapped kids,there are no racists,bigots.........you can leave your door open at night without fear of your wife and kids getting gang raped by some drug crazed gang.........WAKE UP!!!!!!!

Javehn
05-02-2004, 03:01 PM
No matter how "criminal" the Israeli governments action towards the settling of occupied territories, there are no excuse to kill ANY civilian.
That's why they use Hellfires and TOWs to destroy cars on streets full of civilians.

And that's way better then storm inside like an idiots , and starting to shoot with rifles , at the end killing each other out , and gettind killed . You have no idea about millitary action then , that's why it's called "focused action" . All the people that reported to getting killed , are his own bodyguards , invented people . Offcorse there are innocent people getting killed , butthat's not up to the pilots . Every operations have it's chance to get ****ed up . In every single millitary in the world , but the problem is that there is one good target to criticise ...

big80a2
05-02-2004, 03:02 PM
Syrians who are paying for the bomb-making materials and training of the suicide bombers?
Says who? Not the UN, its Sharon (massmurderer himself... you know the war in Lebanon....) and his no good gangster buddies that CLAIM so.



And you and your scandinavian buddies say they don't

just read the book:

Army's in Lebannon

simple info about every party during the '82 lebannon war

weedman
05-02-2004, 03:02 PM
The best would of course be a Ninja Mossad agent sneaking himself in to the car and use a piono string to strangle the bastard. But it is a war, unfortunatly. It takes two to tango. So far, this has proven to be the "best" method.Sometimes it is "war", sometimes it is "terror" and then soemtimes "war on terror". But somehow this is a creation that is a bit contradictorily.

IDFM203
05-02-2004, 03:07 PM
kill all syrians ocupying Lebanon??

2. Syrians arent actually occupying Lebanon now are they? Cause nobodys resisting or hating them, except for Israelis.

3. Just like Syrians have troops in Lebanon, so does USA has troops in Germany, is USA still occupying Germany? I think not...... and so isnt Syria occupying Lebanon. what are that that naive :roll: ……they have thousands of their troops in Lebanon!! Lebeonon is not syria.


As for other countries, well last I checked, after those wars, the U.S. didn’t go in and kill thousands of those citizens as Syria has done to thousands of Lebanese citizens.


Here is just one of many Lebanese sites about Syria’s occupation there and their views on it.

Warning, some graphic material is there!!


Here is more from that website on what the Syrians have done in Lebanon!!

http://www.2la.org/lebanon/ee/terrorlb.htm

yeah no one is resisting, of course because Syria is no where near as restrained as Israel is to any “resistnce” for if there is resistence, 20,000, 30,000 etc… can get killed in one day!! just like what the syrians did in Hama to anyone that resisted.



aftermath of civil war which was masterminded by Israel. oh so it was Israel behind their civil war?? :cantbeli:

Of course why am I even asking, its always the Jews fault :roll:


You remind me of when Mustomato actually and seriously pointed the finger at the Mossad for killing some Swedish minister a while back.

Yeah again always them jews :roll:

Shalom :D

Ichhabe
05-02-2004, 03:09 PM
The best would of course be a Ninja Mossad agent sneaking himself in to the car and use a piono string to strangle the bastard. But it is a war, unfortunatly. It takes two to tango. So far, this has proven to be the "best" method.Sometimes it is "war", sometimes it is "terror" and then soemtimes "war on terror". But somehow this is a creation that is a bit contradictorily.

Well, just be happy for that you can sit in your home and have to take that stance on a daily basis.

I was in Jerusalem in 1986. At that time it was peacefull there, but I tell you: I did not feel comfort while walking around in the old town.

Every day, the Israelis have to consider if they need to get from point A to B and look in their surroundings for possible threaths. That maky you suspiscious and you lose the trust in other people.
Thank whoever you think deserve that thanks for that neither you or I need to do that.

ExtraT
05-02-2004, 03:12 PM
No matter how "criminal" the Israeli governments action towards the settling of occupied territories, there are no excuse to kill ANY civilian.
That's why they use Hellfires and TOWs to destroy cars on streets full of civilians.

Did you ever stop to think why IDF uses Hellfires and TOWs in the first place? Do you know how much a Hellfire missile costs? Also, do you know, that, being an anti-tank weapon, it's almost useless as an anti-personnel weapon?
Hell, there were tons of cases where the target would jump out of the car in the last second, and survive the blast. Rantissi himself did this once.

If IDF didn't give the f*ck, it would use ANYTHING but Hellfires and TOWs - because ANY other kind of precision weapon in this case will be more effective. THere was exactly one time when they used a normal guided bomb instead, it levelled an entire building. And it was deemed a mistake afterwards.

In short - these "bystanders" are as small casualties as humanely possible under the circumstances.
And, in most of the cases, they are not bystanders at all - they are part of the target's entourage.

Go, clean up your cage - I can smell the stench even from here.

Mark_Aspen
05-02-2004, 03:41 PM
Uninen arites:

Says who? Not the UN, its Sharon (massmurderer himself... you know the war in Lebanon....) and his no good gangster buddies that CLAIM so.


So now the UN is the all-knowing judge of national characters? I think its the same UN that denied knowing of the abductions of our Engineers from the Israeli side of the border, when all along they had movie film that they still haven't released to the us.
Haas v'shalom the UN should get on the bad side of fine upstanding countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Rwanda and former Zaire. For all the policy problems, ideologies and close elections, at least there is an opposition in the US, UK, Spain and Israel. A percentage of us won't like those results many times, but at least the process works.

Where is the one brave Palestinian Arab who has the balls to get up and say, "What we do in our name is wrong." If he/she is so cowed by Arafat, Hamas and the PA, then its time to remove them. ANd I speak as one of the 45% Israeli left.

I don't see an anti-semite behind every tree, but Europe and the UN dropped the ball with us in 1967. Too bad for you.

citizen-k
05-02-2004, 06:19 PM
The best would of course be a Ninja Mossad agent sneaking himself in to the car and use a piono string to strangle the bastard. But it is a war, unfortunatly. It takes two to tango. So far, this has proven to be the "best" method.Sometimes it is "war", sometimes it is "terror" and then soemtimes "war on terror". But somehow this is a creation that is a bit contradictorily.

Well, just be happy for that you can sit in your home and have to take that stance on a daily basis.

I was in Jerusalem in 1986. At that time it was peacefull there, but I tell you: I did not feel comfort while walking around in the old town.

Every day, the Israelis have to consider if they need to get from point A to B and look in their surroundings for possible threaths. That maky you suspiscious and you lose the trust in other people.
Thank whoever you think deserve that thanks for that neither you or I need to do that.

The massiah is here, and he is from Norway! :hug:

People can't see the difference between military mistakes, which might be bad - but not evil to evil terror attacks.

seruriermarshal
05-02-2004, 09:25 PM
thats it f*** it.

Even when we be nice to the palestinians in response we get world condemnation and the palestinians kill us.

lets just kill them all, its not like its going to change world opinion
:roll:

NAZI.

No , palestinians are NAZI . To they must use all weapon and attack !

Sayeret
05-02-2004, 11:03 PM
Uninen wrote:


**** happens, but you must remember... they were settlers. In Gaza....


Yeah it is, but the posters here want to show this in a light that makes the "settlers" seem and innocent bystanders, which they arent.

Uninen how screwed up is your moral compass. Four children and a woman are murdered by some Palestinian terrorists and you claim that these "brave Palestinians" are freedom fighters. Your calling born_to_kill a Nazi when your going around saying that the Palestinian terrorists can kill whoever the hell they want if they are in Gaza and Westbank. You yell at the chechens for killing Russians but claim that it is okaey when babies are murdered by Palestinians as long as they are in Gaza.

So according to you any Russia living in the land that the chechen terrorists claim to be theirs can be murdered even if it is a baby or a child, right? So the IRA should be able to kill anyone they want to in Northen Ireland because they claim that it is their land.

Btw what country do you live in?

RomanS
05-02-2004, 11:06 PM
Guys why even argue with those ugly euro faggs,

Its easier to understand the logic.

Your intellegent argument = ball
euro fags = wall

it will come back to you no matter how you kick it

Uninen
05-02-2004, 11:09 PM
:roll:

That is so sad, you guys read so much between the lines, and add words to my mouth that by the time the **** gets re-posted by you, i cant even recognise that ive "have said it"... CAUSE I HAVENT! :cantbeli:

05-02-2004, 11:18 PM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Ur defending what is not yours.

born_to_kill
05-02-2004, 11:41 PM
right on permski!

these people will never understand unless theyre in our situation, with civilians dying in the streets everyday.. people afraid to get some coffee

SeanAshi
05-03-2004, 12:02 AM
They showed the Apache attacking that building in Gaza on CNN

StarvingStudent47
05-03-2004, 12:46 AM
Aussie E is my new favorite member. Ichhabe has also made some good points. Of course the regular American and Israeli posters have made fine points, but it's really good to see some other folks stepping in and issuing unqualified condemnations for this sort of terrorism.

Why are people seriously worrying about the opinions of someone named "weedman"? I think the name says it all.

weedman
05-03-2004, 01:31 AM
Why are people seriously worrying about the opinions of someone named "weedman"? I think the name says it all.You're the right one to say this :D :lol:

StarvingStudent47
05-03-2004, 01:51 AM
Why are people seriously worrying about the opinions of someone named "weedman"? I think the name says it all.You're the right one to say this :D :lol:

Let's see:

I am indeed a student (law school). Due to high tuition costs, I have a bit of trouble making ends meet, so my dinners are often scrambled eggs or tuna fish instead of steak or salmon. Hence, I am a "starving student." Ooh...how shocking.

You freely admit that you are obsessed with a mind-altering drug that certainly causes stupidity in the short term and may, in the long term, cause memory loss and other brain damage.

People can judge relative credibility how they may.

weedman
05-03-2004, 01:56 AM
Let's see:

I am indeed a student (law school). Due to high tuition costs, I have a bit of trouble making ends meet, so my dinners are often scrambled eggs or tuna fish instead of steak or salmon. Hence, I am a "starving student." Ooh...how shocking.

You freely admit that you are obsessed with a mind-altering drug that certainly causes stupidity in the short term and may, in the long term, cause memory loss and other brain damage.

People can judge relative credibility how they may.I was not the one start judging a nickname.

And no, I am definetly no weedhead, I can tell you.

hey
05-03-2004, 02:12 AM
FutureMarine wrote:


Ur defending what is not yours.

Our own life is not ours? interesting..

I don't know if I should leugh or cry. :roll:

StarvingStudent47
05-03-2004, 02:17 AM
Ur defending what is not yours.

If you're a caucasian living in North America, I'm gonna fall out of my chair laughing.

Universal
05-03-2004, 02:24 AM
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Ur defending what is not yours.

amen to that!

big80a2
05-03-2004, 04:46 AM
[quote=S'13]
http://www.mideasttruth.com/moir062902.gif
:roll:
That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Ur defending what is not yours.[/quote

you piced sides allready...

palies say they fight for what theyrs... well it has never been theryrs, Jordan and Egypt have more right on these grounds than the palies :cantbeli:

Ballistic
05-03-2004, 10:36 AM
Well this certainly once again doesnt help the Palistinians one bit. Im trying to keep myself from swearing incoherently right now at how barbaric and utterly disgusting this whole terrible tragedy is. Bloody terrorists, if they think this is helping their cause (whichever cause that is....not that I care anymore)...... :roll: :bash: :-*$ :fork:

Keep strong Israel !

RIP to the Mother and the daughters....what a waste. :(

S'13
05-03-2004, 12:48 PM
This isn't the first time the targets of the so called "Palestinian freedom fighters" are women and children...


PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER

Someone else who is very aptly named is Samir Kuntar. In order to keep this a PG-rated site, I will not elaborate on this except to allow Smadar Haran's words do the talking:
Abu Abbas, the former head of a Palestinian terrorist group who was captured in Iraq on April 15 (2003) is infamous for masterminding the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro. But there are probably few who remember why Abbas's terrorists held the ship and its 400-plus passengers hostage for two days. It was to gain the release of a Lebanese terrorist named Samir Kuntar, who is locked up in an Israeli prison for life. Kuntar's name is all but unknown to the world. But I know it well. Because almost a quarter of a century ago, Kuntar murdered my family.

It was a murder of unimaginable cruelty, crueler even than the murder of Leon Klinghoffer, the American tourist who was shot on the Achille Lauro and dumped overboard in his wheelchair. Kuntar's mission against my family, which never made world headlines, was also masterminded by Abu Abbas. And my wish now is that this terrorist leader should be prosecuted in the United States, so that the world may know of all his terrorist acts, not the least of which is what he did to my family on April 22, 1979.

It had been a peaceful Sabbath day. My husband, Danny, and I had picnicked with our little girls, Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, on the beach not far from our home in Nahariya, a city on the northern coast of Israel, about six miles south of the Lebanese border. Around midnight, we were asleep in our apartment when four terrorists, sent by Abu Abbas from Lebanon, landed in a rubber boat on the beach two blocks away. Gunfire and exploding grenades awakened us as the terrorists burst into our building. They had already killed a police officer. As they charged up to the floor above ours, I opened the door to our apartment. In the moment before the hall light went off, they turned and saw me. As they moved on, our neighbor from the upper floor came running down the stairs. I grabbed her and pushed her inside our apartment and slammed the door.

Outside, we could hear the men storming about. Desperately, we sought to hide. Danny helped our neighbor climb into a crawl space above our bedroom; I went in behind her with Yael in my arms. Then Danny grabbed Einat and was dashing out the front door to take refuge in an underground shelter when the terrorists came crashing into our flat. They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. "This is just like what happened to my mother," I thought.

As police began to arrive, the terrorists took Danny and Einat down to the beach. There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see. Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt. That terrorist was Samir Kuntar.

By the time we were rescued from the crawl space, hours later, Yael, too, was dead. In trying to save all our lives, I had smothered her.

The next day, Abu Abbas announced from Beirut that the terrorist attack in Nahariya had been carried out "to protest the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty" at Camp David the previous year. Abbas seems to have a gift for charming journalists, but imagine the character of a man who protests an act of peace by committing an act of slaughter.

Two of Abbas's terrorists had been killed by police on the beach. The other two were captured, convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Despite my protests, one was released in a prisoner exchange for Israeli POWs several months before the Achille Lauro hijacking. Abu Abbas was determined to find a way to free Kuntar as well. So he engineered the hijacking of the Achille Lauro off the coast of Egypt and demanded the release of 50 Arab terrorists from Israeli jails. The only one of those prisoners actually named was Samir Kuntar. The plight of hundreds held hostage on a cruise ship for two days at sea lent itself to massive international media coverage. The attack on Nahariya, by contrast, had taken less than an hour in the middle of the night. So what happened then was hardly noticed outside of Israel.

One hears the terrorists and their excusers say that they are driven to kill out of desperation. But there is always a choice. Even when you have suffered, you can choose whether to kill and ruin another's life, or whether to go on and rebuild. Even after my family was murdered, I never dreamed of taking revenge on any Arab.

But I am determined that Samir Kuntar should never be released from prison. In 1984, I had to fight my own government not to release him as part of an exchange for several Israeli soldiers who were POWs in Lebanon. I understood, of course, that the families of those POWs would gladly have agreed to the release of an Arab terrorist to get their sons back. But I told Yitzhak Rabin, then defense minister, that the blood of my family was as red as that of the POWs. Israel had always taken a position of refusing to negotiate with terrorists. If they were going to make an exception, let it be for a terrorist who was not as cruel as Kuntar. "Your job is not to be emotional," I told Rabin, "but to act rationally." And he did.

So Kuntar remains in prison. I have been shocked to learn that he has married an Israeli Arab woman who is an activist on behalf of terrorist prisoners. As the wife of a prisoner, she gets a monthly stipend from the government. I'm not too happy about that.

In recent years, Abu Abbas started telling journalists that he had renounced terrorism and that killing Leon Klinghoffer had been a mistake. But he has never said that killing my family was a mistake. He was a terrorist once, and a terrorist, I believe, he remains. Why else did he spend these last years, as the Israeli press has reported, free as a bird in Baghdad, passing rewards of $25,000 from Saddam Hussein to families of Palestinian suicide bombers? More than words, that kind of cash prize, which is a fortune to poor families, was a way of urging more suicide bombers. The fortunate thing about Abbas's attaching himself to Hussein is that it set him up for capture.

Some say that Italy should have first crack at Abbas. It had already convicted him of the Achille Lauro hijacking in absentia in 1986. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi now wants Abbas handed over so that he can begin serving his life sentence. But it's also true that in 1985, the Italians had Abbas in their hands after U.S. fighter jets forced his plane to land in Sicily. And yet they let him go. So while I trust Berlusconi, who knows if a future Italian government might not again wash its hands of Abbas?

In 1995, Rabin, then our prime minister, asked me to join him on his trip to the White House, where he was to sign a peace agreement with Yasser Arafat, which I supported. I believe that he wanted me to represent all Israeli victims of terrorism. Rabin dreaded shaking hands with Arafat, knowing that those hands were bloody. At first, I agreed to make the trip, but at the last minute, I declined. As prime minister, Rabin had to shake hands with Arafat for political reasons. As a private person, I did not. So I stayed here.

Now I am ready and willing to come to the United States to testify against Abu Abbas if he is tried for terrorism. The daughters of Leon Klinghoffer have said they are ready to do the same. Unlike Klinghoffer, Danny, Einat and Yael were not American citizens. But Klinghoffer was killed on an Italian ship in Abbas's attempt to free the killer of my family in Israel. We are all connected by the international web of terrorism woven by Abbas. Let the truth come out in a new and public trial. And let it be in the United States, the leader in the struggle against terrorism.


Nahariya/Avivim School Bus Attack, 1970
On May 8, 1970 there was a brutal attack on an Israeli school bus by Palestinian terrorists who crossed the Lebanese border.

Avivim, an agricultural community established in 1963, is just metres from the border with Lebanon. Settled and built from the ground up by Moroccan immigrants, the majority of the residents belonged to one of two families; Peretz or Biton. The local council bus picked up children each morning to take them to two schools.

The terrorists knew the schedule of the bus and were able to ambush it. They fired on the bus, killing the adults instantly. The bus driver continued until he himself was shot. Then the bus crashed, injuring many of the remaining children. The attack caused the death of 9 children (aged between six and nine) and 3 adults, and left 19 others crippled for life.

The terrorists were never apprehended.



Kiryat Shmona (or Quirat Shemona), 1974
On April 11, 1974, a team of three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command penetrated the Israeli border town of Kiryat Shmona from Lebanon. Although they had apparently been instructed to take hostages, they instead entered an apartment building and killed all eighteen residents they found there, including nine children. The terrorists then barricaded themselves in one of the apartments and were eventually killed in an exchange of fire with Israeli forces.



Ma'alot (or Maalot), 1974
The beautiful northern Israel town of Ma'alot is located in the Western Galilee, 20 km east of Nahariya, and less than an hour's drive from Haifa. Ma'alot was founded in the 1950s when hundreds of thousands of immigrants came to Israel from North Africa, refugees from hostile Arab nations where they were no longer safe. The Israeli Government at that time decided to place new immigrants in development towns such as Ma'alot.

On May 15, 1974 (Israel's Independence Day) a group of 11th grade students from Safed (Tsfat) were on a field trip to the Golan, a full day of hikes. That night, the children were housed at a school in Ma’alot where they slept on the floor. During the night, three Arab terrorists dressed as IDF soldiers attacked the school, killing the guard and some of the children. Some of the children escaped by jumping out of a window on the second floor and the rest were held as hostages.

In the morning the terrorists were identified as members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) who had infiltrated from Lebanon. The DFLP is a Marxist-Leninist and formerly pro-Soviet group that split from the Popular Font for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) in 1969. They presented their demands: release Arab terrorists from Israeli prisons, or they will start to kill the children. The deadline was set at 6:00PM the same day.

The Knesset met in emergency session. Although Israel’s policy forbid negotiation with terrorists, the plight of the children forced an exception. By 3:00PM a decision was reached to negotiate, but the terrorists refused a request for more time.

At 5:45PM a unit of the elite Golani brigade stormed the building. All of the terrorists were killed in the assault, but not before they took the lives of 21 children. There were a total of 26 victims, including several people murdered by the terrorists on their way to the school the night before.

In Beirut, eloquent demonstrations honoring the fallen fedayeen as noble martyrs of the cause were ordered by Nayef Hawatmeh, the DFLP leader.


http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_terrorism_1970s.php



November 12, 2002

Palestinian Infiltrator Kills Five on Israeli Kibbutz

A Palestinian terrorist slipped into a kibbutz, or collective farm, in northern Israel on Sunday and gunned down five people, including two children killed in their beds.

The infiltrator cut through the fence surrounding Kibbutz Metzer, renowned for its peaceful coexistence with its Arab neighbors early Sunday evening. Near the communal dining hall, the gunmen shot dead a 42 year-old woman from a neighboring community who was walking with her boyfriend.

The kibbutz secretary, who was on guard duty that night raced to the scene after hearing the shots. However, he was gunned down before he could get out of his car.

The terrorist then burst into one of the kibbutz houses, where a 34 year-old mother was reading a bedtime story to her two sons, aged four and five. The woman leapt to interpose herself between the terrorist and her children, but was shot dead. The children were shot at point-blank range as they hid beneath the blankets.

A kibbutz security guard alerted a local Border Patrol unit, but by the time they arrived at the scene, the terrorist had already fled across the kibbutz fields back to the nearby Palestinian-controlled territory. Such an escape is rare; most shooting attacks of the type perpetrated at Metzer are carried out by suicide squads, whose intention is to continue killing until shot dead by residents or security forces.

The Martyrs of al-Aqsa Brigades, affiliated with Arafat's Fatah, claimed responsibility for the shooting rampage. Israeli security sources say a cell from the Tul Karm area was behind the attack. The attacker is believed to have made his way to Metzer through the nearby village of Kafin, east of the kibbutz.

A haven of coexistence
Located just inside Israel's pre-1967 Green Line border with the West Bank, Metzer has long been known for vigorous advocacy of reconciliation with its Arab neighbors, and support for a future peace, even at the expense of an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. The Palestinian village of Kafin borders the kibbutz, and the two communities share a soccer team, and even operate a joint emergency water system.

"We've lived here together for 50 years, and we raised our kids together, and the kids play together," said a Metzer member named Naftali. "All our lives we played soccer together, we learned to grow olives from them, and they learned how to grow other crops from us."

Ironically, only a month ago the kibbutz recently led a controversial fight to delay the building of a new security fence along the Green Line, on the grounds that the fence would make it difficult, if not impossible for residents of Kafin to harvest their olives.

http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=843


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AirZone
05-03-2004, 02:11 PM
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That says about it all, dont you think its about the time to at least the other side to stop the "revenging"? :|

Israelis don't avenge, we defend...

Ur defending what is not yours.[/quote

you piced sides allready...

palies say they fight for what theyrs... well it has never been theryrs, Jordan and Egypt have more right on these grounds than the palies :cantbeli: OMFG ?! some one from europe who really studied history ??? *looks for his camera* i must take a pic !!! lol..btw you forgot the turks...
i just love to see people say **** and looks so dumb when they say it... i think its better for some of the forum memebers if they really want to know about this conflict than just troll around go and read the middle east history and why the conflict started.. and btw try to read about the arbs (they call themself palastines.. go figure...) that came after the hebrew got expelled by the roman empire if you want to get into the right of the land... if you want to hear who really has the rights thats us the hebrews/jews and the bedouins of the negev area... and mabye the galil?some of the palastines are ex-bedouins but as i recall a minor part and many of them already in thier lands....(i said many not all of them) and dont forgot the israeli arbs...okie ? they live pretty much GREAT compare to any arb that lives in a country surrounding israel...and guess what ? they live in thier land.. omfg :roll: what a suprise...

anyway go and read some history books before you even post about stuff that you dont have any idea about it...because it just a waste of time to some of the memebers in the forum to expline why you are wrong if you dont know what even happend and why its like that...im not saying we are angels and all but we are 1000 times better than the palastines in that part but even the right wing wants peace (they just dont want to give the lands without some thing)