IED's...How do they work?

[SeanR]

Hey, I heard somewhere that insurgents have been using either garage door openers or car-alarm remotes to set off IED's...Is this true? In that case...wouldn't there be some sort of simple way to scramble these...or set them off long before a vehicle passes over them?

[Argyll]

ECM/ECCM.

Fok trying to set of an IED with a car alarm,unless it had a range of 200m plus!!

[SeanR]

I dont understand ECC/ECCM...? :oops:

[Javehn]

There are more the4n enough meassures to "scramble " IR or Radio activated IED's .

[FuturePara]

What does IED stand for? :oops:

[Maverick77]

improvised explosive device

[Argyll]

IED-Improvised Explosive Device
ECM=Electronic Counter Measures
ECCM=Electronic Counter Counter Measures

[Tane Angle]

The car alarm/garage door opener is to trigger the electric charge for the detonation. It's a bit of overthinking things. As Argyll said, there are ways to disrupt those signals. Many convoys have vehicles carrying such countermeasures; some even have helicopters or airplanes out a bit ahead of the convoy.

The Pakistani President dodged attempts on his life a few months back (maybe 6 months, can't remember) through the use of such devices that disrupted the detonation commands. The explosives went off after his convoy had left the area, if I remember correctly.

Similarly, rockets, mortars, and other means of attack can be command-used. You guys remember the attempted attack on the Green Zone probably about 9-10 months ago? It had a few dozen rocket tubes in the back of a trailer? It didn't go off quite as planned apparently, but that was another example of a command(remotely)-launched attack.

They cost a pretty penny though, though if one can afford them I recommend them very much. When the first model initially came out, a friend of mine tested them in Colombia, the Philippines, and Brazil. He spoke very highly of them. He had, of course, tested them against dummy attacks first to see if they worked, he didn't just run out and test them in the real world.

Anyways, I wouldn't suggest trying any of these things at home. Seriously.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[big80a2]

Loads of IED work on a cell phone.
Just call the number and boom.

[weedman]

Loads of IED work on a cell phone.
Just call the number and boom.It's quite simple, even I managed to start my computer by calling my old cell phone.

I just linked the cable lightening the keys during a call with the powerbutton :)

[Uninen]

Word:

Explosives, detonators, few hundred meters of wire, battery and LOS detonation.... :|

Thats still fool proof and effective.

[Herrmannek]

Word:

Explosives, detonators, few hundred meters of wire, battery and LOS detonation.... :|

Thats still fool proof and effective.

Unless some kind of EMP isn't mounted on front bumper of toyota land cruiser....

[Uninen]

Word:

Explosives, detonators, few hundred meters of wire, battery and LOS detonation.... :|

Thats still fool proof and effective.

Unless some kind of EMP isn't mounted on front bumper of toyota land cruiser....

Then you have the detonating cord, and again accurate LOS detonations are possible, and this cant be prevented by use of anykind of electronic systems...... is fire and explosives only.

[Javehn]

Then you have the detonating cord, and again accurate LOS detonations are possible, and this cant be prevented by use of anykind of electronic systems...... is fire and explosives only.

detonaning cord (DETCORD or KordTex) is something very different boy . I see you haven't learn much of detonation over there in the Army . It's the **** that allowes you to detonate several packages simultaniosly , it's a wire filled with HE matter .

[Herrmannek]

Word:

Explosives, detonators, few hundred meters of wire, battery and LOS detonation.... :|

Thats still fool proof and effective.

Unless some kind of EMP isn't mounted on front bumper of toyota land cruiser....

Then you have the detonating cord, and again accurate LOS detonations are possible, and this cant be prevented by use of anykind of electronic systems...... is fire and explosives only.

Yup

[Uninen]

Then you have the detonating cord, and again accurate LOS detonations are possible, and this cant be prevented by use of anykind of electronic systems...... is fire and explosives only.

detonaning cord (DETCORD or KordTex) is something very different boy . I see you haven't learn much of detonation over there in the Army . It's the **** that allowes you to detonate several packages simultaniosly , it's a wire filled with HE matter .

:roll:

Yep? We call it as räjähtävä tulilanka and we use among other things to detonate mines and "IED":s.... i know what im talking about son.

[Javehn]

Yep? We call it as räjähtävä tulilanka and we use among other things to detonate mines and "IED":s.... i know what im talking about son.

Then u use wrong terminology ;) , SON .

[Vance]

They go boom.

[Uninen]

Yep? We call it as räjähtävä tulilanka and we use among other things to detonate mines and "IED":s.... i know what im talking about son.

Then u use wrong terminology ;) , SON .

Uhm? räjähtävä tulilanka translates and actually is: "exploding fire cord" it can have multiple "boosters" to explode multiple charges or just one to blow up specific mine or IED, and the whole cord itself is made out of explosive material, and so burns very fast (explodes) when "set on fire"....

:)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Yep? We call it as räjähtävä tulilanka and we use among other things to detonate mines and "IED":s.... i know what im talking about son.

Then u use wrong terminology ;) , SON .

Uhm? räjähtävä tulilanka translates and actually is: "exploding fire cord" it can have multiple "boosters" to explode multiple charges or just one to blow up specific mine or IED, and the whole cord itself is made out of explosive material, and so burns very fast (explodes) when "set on fire"....

:)

In Finnish to Uninen:

Eikös noihin räjäyttelyihin käytetä yleensä aikatulilankaa tai sähköpiuhaa ja -nalleja?
Ja puita sun muita sitten räjäytellä tolla rtulilangalla?

(Vanha kikka: pannaan 2 peräkkäistä juoksuhautaa, joistan ensimmäisen pohjalle tuota rtulilankaa. Kun sitten vetäydytään seuraavaan ja naapuri asuttaa ekaa, boom ja saapaat lentää :D Näin '80 RT-koulussa.)

Niin, itsehän olen TJ-miehiä, joten räjäyttelyt ovat jääneet 5 tulenkuvauskenttään, joten en sitten väitä olevani mikään asiantuntija ;)

[Javehn]

haa ?

[Uninen]

In Finnish to Uninen:

Eikös noihin räjäyttelyihin käytetä yleensä aikatulilankaa tai sähköpiuhaa ja -nalleja?
Ja puita sun muita sitten räjäytellä tolla rtulilangalla?
Jeps, jokseenkin noin.. en meinaan ite ole räjähteitä pahemmin käsitellytkään, mutta kaverit ja sukulaiset sitäkin enemmän, Sissi linjalla (ja Tiedustelu...) ja ihan Utissa ittessään. :)

Kaiken maailman pommeja ovat kyhäilleet. Mielikuvitus vain rajana ;)

Mutta niistä niiden jutuista kyllä oon semmosen käsityksen saannu et ne on myös rtulilangalla räjäytelly "miinoja".

[Javehn]

Ok , i see ... Good to know .

[Javehn]

edit

[Herrmannek]

Guys PM yourself don't **** forum with this crapy copy of hungarian :)..

[Uninen]

Dont worry, it was all about explosives and "IED":s. :)

[FDF_Hemppis]

In Finnish to Uninen:

Eikös noihin räjäyttelyihin käytetä yleensä aikatulilankaa tai sähköpiuhaa ja -nalleja?
Ja puita sun muita sitten räjäytellä tolla rtulilangalla?
Jeps, jokseenkin noin.. en meinaan ite ole räjähteitä pahemmin käsitellytkään, mutta kaverit ja sukulaiset sitäkin enemmän, Sissi linjalla (ja Tiedustelu...) ja ihan Utissa ittessään. :)

Kaiken maailman pommeja ovat kyhäilleet. Mielikuvitus vain rajana ;)

Mutta niistä niiden jutuista kyllä oon semmosen käsityksen saannu et ne on myös rtulilangalla räjäytelly "miinoja".

Noh, eiköhän esim tnt:n ja muun "perus"räjähteen pamauttely onnistu ihan rtulilangalla. Mutta luulisi, että esim miinat vaativat räjäyttimen/nallin (vertaa tellu). Mutta kun ei yhtään pioneeria ole tässä nyt käsillä, en voi tuota varmentaa...

(eivätkä ne perkeleet antaneet ottaa pioneeriopasta kotiin, muka salainen tai jotain :D)

[Herrmannek]

Do you know what that is?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif
Just use it :)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Guys PM yourself don't **** forum with this crapy copy of hungarian :)..

I'd post this "****" in English, but I'm not really familiar with the explosives-jargon... I'll switch to eng, if you really insist :hug:

[Javehn]

yes , please switch . ;)


OR ELSE .....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/reply-locked.gif

Muuuhahhahahaha

[Uninen]

Noh, eiköhän esim tnt:n ja muun "perus"räjähteen pamauttely onnistu ihan rtulilangalla. Mutta luulisi, että esim miinat vaativat räjäyttimen/nallin (vertaa tellu). Mutta kun ei yhtään pioneeria ole tässä nyt käsillä, en voi tuota varmentaa...

Jep, mutta eihän kukaan väittänytkään etteikö tarvisi.. ;)

Jopa rtulilangalla+tnt+tellu, niin pitäis toimia..... rtulilanka räjäyttää tnt panoksen ja tnt kun räjähtää niin räjähtää tellukin :)

ja tosta kun lähtee liikkeelle, niin voi vaikka vaihtaa tellun Tykin tai KRH kranaattiin ja silti toimii.. ;)

[Javehn]

English mother ****er . English !!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/reply-locked.gif

[Argyll]

Hello..............is this a Finnish forum?
Use Pm's if you are going to use your native tongues,it is considered ignorant and in-polite,using another language on an English speaking forum. ;)
Either back to English or this gets locked

[Uninen]

Javehn,

That was just discussion that how you can set off TNT with "detonation cord" only, but how you would and will need "detonator" added to AT-Mine or to Mortar / Cannon shell to explode it with "detonation cord", to which i said, that no need to have any special detonators, as one can as easily just use "detonation cord" to set off small charge of TNT, which in turn will detonate the AT-Mine / Shell / Mortar round. ;)

*Edit*

Sorry Argyll... :oops:

[SeanR]

Jesus...didn't think this was going to become a bomb-making convention. :lol:

Kind of off topic: Is it true the IRA are the best when it comes to explosives?

[Javehn]

Ok. Then your pal is right , that's the way it's done . DETCORD is NOT a fuse . And it can't be used as one .

[Uninen]

Ok. Then your pal is right , that's the way it's done . DETCORD is NOT a fuse . And it can't be used as one .
Yep,
and i think we all knew that... (at least i did...) just didnt want to give here complete "how do you make a IED guide"... :cantbeli:
But that just happened as you had to go and doubt the every minor detail..... i just hope that not too many wannabe terrorists are reading this.. :|

[FDF_Hemppis]

Edit: Uninen beat me...

[Javehn]

???

I will now making a quick search on a google , and pooling you exact description how to make IED's from all sorts available .

And second , information i gave is not exactly valuable in any way . Can it be Uni that you are trying to avoid some embarassment ? :lol: ;)


Well damn, one would think that it's okay to speak in your own language every now and then? Guess not...how about chilling out some Javehn?


I am really sorry , dude , one or 2 is ok . But when it's starting to be more , go to PM.

[FDF_Hemppis]

I am really sorry , dude , one or 2 is ok . But when it's starting to be more , go to PM.

Yeah, you do have a point. I'll stick to eng from now on!

Shalom!

[Uninen]

And second , information i gave is not exactly valuable in any way . Can it be Uni that you are trying to avoid some embarassment ? :lol: ;)

Now what would that be? Please explain.. :)

Im all ears.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Btw, some mortar-guys that served the same time as I did got specially trained to make close-protection mines out of mortar shells...scary ****.
I wouldn't want to walk to a 120mm mortar shell hanging from a tree...

Grind meat, anyone?

[Javehn]

Ever see one of those ?
Claimor is scary mother ****er . Meet that punk :

http://www.adnkronos.com/Esteri/servizi/Risposta/schede/claymore.jpg

I couldn't find improvised ones over the net , but it's still scary as hell .

[Herrmannek]

Ever see one of those ?
Claimor is scary mother f*** . Meet that punk :

http://www.adnkronos.com/Esteri/servizi/Risposta/schede/claymore.jpg

I couldn't find improvised ones over the net , but it's still scary as hell .

Claymors are hard to improvise because they involve "advanced" physics..and they are piezodetonated so still avoidable by high tech teams :)


The M18 Claymore antipersonnel mine is a type of mine often used by the United States armed forces. The Claymore is designed to fire metal balls out to about 100 meters across a 60 degree arc in front of the device, which stands just off the ground. It is designed primarily to be used in ambushes and as an anti-infiltration device against enemy infantry, however it is also of some use against soft-skinned vehicles.

The M18 is based on the Misznay-Schardin effect, the behaviour of sheets of explosive that was independantly discovered in WWII by Misznay, a Hungarian, and Schardin, a German. When explosive detonates in contact with a metal object, the explosion is primarily directed away from the metal. Schardin spent some time developing the device as a side-attack anti-tank weapon, but development was incomplete at the end of the war.

Following the massed Chinese attacks during the Korean War, the US Army developed the German design into an anti-personnel device that would fire hundreds of small ball-bearings in one shot. The rear of the device was a steel sheet covered with the explosive, and in front was an air space packed with the shot. When the explosive detonates the majority of the force is directed forward, sending the balls out the front at high velocity. Claymores were not buried like other mines but were placed above ground pointed towards the likely location of the enemy.

As developed for the Vietnam War, the mine had an plastic olive casing with the words "Front Toward Enemy" on it. It was 21.5 centimeters (eight inches) long, 8 centimeters (three inches) high, and 3.5 centimeters (inch and a half) deep with two sets of little legs. Inside is 650 grams of plastic explosive and 700 steel ball-bearings. The mine could be either fired on command using a hand held device or detonated by trip wire.

The M18A1 was standardized in 1960, and replaced the M18 antipersonnel mine. Both mines are similar in appearance and functioning. The M18A1 mine is equipped with a fixed plastic slit-type sight (knife-edge sight on later model), adjustable legs, and two detonator wells. The mine and all its accessories are carried in the M7 bandoleer. An instruction sheet for the M18A1 is attached to the inside cover of the bandoleer.

When detonated, the M18A1 mine delivers spherical steel fragments over a 60° fan-shaped pattern that is two meters high and 50 meters wide at a range of 50 meters. These fragments are moderately effective up to a range of 100 meters and can travel up to 250 meters forward of the mine. The optimum effective range (the range at which the most desirable balance is achieved between lethality and area coverage) is 50 meters.

[Javehn]

Claymors are hard to improvise because they involve "advanced" physics..and they are piezodetonated so still avoidable by high tech teams

I bet the difference , my friend . There are many improvised types of Claimore , some sufisticated more and some less (depends on who did them ) . Unfortunatly i don't have pics , i would post you the Claimor mines from SL , improvised by Hisballah .

[Uninen]

Ever see one of those ?
Claimor is scary mother f*** . Meet that punk :

http://www.adnkronos.com/Esteri/servizi/Risposta/schede/claymore.jpg

I couldn't find improvised ones over the net , but it's still scary as hell .

Yeah,

We have those also... the basic M18s, and also "HEAVY CLAYMORES"... that weight 20kg.... (half of which is explosives)... :D

(Raskas Viuhkamiina (VM 84))

Really we have all the possible types of AT and anti-personell mines possible, in very large numbers.... some d**bf**ks just want us to get rid of them all.. :(

IE our president... :cantbeli:

[Herrmannek]

Claymors are hard to improvise because they involve "advanced" physics..and they are piezodetonated so still avoidable by high tech teams

I bet the difference , my friend . There are many improvised types of Claimore , some sufisticated more and some less (depends on who did them ) . Unfortunatly i don't have pics , i would post you the Claimor mines from SL , improvised by Hisballah .

Everything can be improvised :), but if you want something close to claymor performance its more advanced job than doing pipebombs :)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Improvised claymores? Easy as hitting a child!

2 examples:

Take a standard ammo box (in this case, a Finnish 762x39, but basically any box will do), put some explosives to the bottom, attach a detonator of choice, pour nails/bolts/metal balls/etc/etc on top, put the cover on and it's done!

2nd:

For urban warfare, do the procedure mentioned above to an oven/washing machine/door/any similar, and make the bomb go off when the door is opened...

These are just very basic ones, human mind is very creative when it wants to...
Of course you can use hand grenades, mortar/arty shells and so on...

[Herrmannek]

Improvised claymores? Easy as hitting a child!

2 examples:

Take a standard ammo box (in this case, a Finnish 762x39, but basically any box will do), put some explosives to the bottom, attach a detonator of choice, pour nails/bolts/metal balls/etc/etc on top, put the cover on and it's done!

2nd:

For urban warfare, do the procedure mentioned above to an oven/washing machine/door/any similar, and make the bomb go off when the door is opened...

These are just very basic ones, human mind is very creative when it wants to...
Of course you can use hand grenades, mortar/arty shells and so on...

And du you can sit in the trench just behind that improvised claymore? :)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I couldn't find improvised ones over the net
I have but there is no way I am sharing. :P :P

[Javehn]

I couldn't find improvised ones over the net
I have but there is no way I am sharing. :P :P

Share you cheep bastard .


Take a standard ammo box (in this case, a Finnish 762x39, but basically any box will do), put some explosives to the bottom, attach a detonator of choice, pour nails/bolts/metal balls/etc/etc on top, put the cover on and it's done!

Yes . By the way , you also described "ANTI TANK PERSONNEL EXPLOSIVE DEVICE" , with a little change ...

Human mind can be creative ... Too creative :( :(

[FDF_Hemppis]

Improvised claymores? Easy as hitting a child!

2 examples:

Take a standard ammo box (in this case, a Finnish 762x39, but basically any box will do), put some explosives to the bottom, attach a detonator of choice, pour nails/bolts/metal balls/etc/etc on top, put the cover on and it's done!

2nd:

For urban warfare, do the procedure mentioned above to an oven/washing machine/door/any similar, and make the bomb go off when the door is opened...

These are just very basic ones, human mind is very creative when it wants to...
Of course you can use hand grenades, mortar/arty shells and so on...

And du you can sit in the trench just behind that improvised claymore? :)

Would you sit just behind it? I think not!
But depending on the size of the "mine", yes I could be somewhat near, although, I definitely wouldn't be right behind it.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Take a standard ammo box (in this case, a Finnish 762x39, but basically any box will do), put some explosives to the bottom, attach a detonator of choice, pour nails/bolts/metal balls/etc/etc on top, put the cover on and it's done!

Yes . By the way , you also described "ANTI TANK PERSONNEL EXPLOSIVE DEVICE" , with a little change ...

Human mind can be creative ... Too creative :( :(

Devices with the same principle can be used to many purposes, yes.
By varying the size, shape and content, one can make AT/IFV/car/infantry mine.

Anyone attacking Finland will be enjoying a lot of those ;)

[ibstolidude]

Improvised claymores? Easy as hitting a child!
2nd:

For urban warfare, do the procedure mentioned above to an oven/washing machine/door/any similar, and make the bomb go off when the door is opened...

These are just very basic ones, human mind is very creative when it wants to...
Of course you can use hand grenades, mortar/arty shells and so on... just incase of invasion by the 23rd Pie bakers Brigade.

[gilgoul]

Javehn,

That was just discussion that how you can set off TNT with "detonation cord" only, but how you would and will need "detonator" added to AT-Mine or to Mortar / Cannon shell to explode it with "detonation cord", to which i said, that no need to have any special detonators, as one can as easily just use "detonation cord" to set off small charge of TNT, which in turn will detonate the AT-Mine / Shell / Mortar round. ;)

*Edit*

Sorry Argyll... :oops:
I guess if you don`t want tu have to manipulate the shell yes, otherwise, just turn around a few times.
You can even bring trees down with kordex, and the best of all is cordex + campagne bottle + 2 to 4 hundreds grams of C4 or alike, and you get a shaped charge. :D

[American Patriot]

You don't want to sit behind a claymore unless you want to lose your hearing permanently.

[Ichhabe]

You don't want to sit behind a claymore unless you want to lose your hearing permanently.

Depend on how close you are. ;)

And the Art of IED... It is only your imagination that limits you.
Have trained a lot on IED's and as long as you have the right equipment, you can make other go crazy from fear.