Sadr aide 'dies in raid'

[MetalBoy]

Good news. Go Coalition forces!! woot

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Coalition forces are reported to have killed a deputy of Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric whose militia has launched an uprising against U.S.-led troops in Baghdad's Sadr City and Iraq's southern cities.

Four other associates died in Saturday's raid on the cleric's Hillah offices along with Adnan al-Anbaky -- al-Sadr's top deputy in the central Iraq town, according to an al-Sadr spokesman in Najaf, Sayid Hussam al-Hassani.

Al-Hassani said on Sunday the offices in Hillah, about 50 miles (80 km) south of Baghdad, housed a human rights organization run by al-Sadr.

The coalition's top civilian administrator, Paul Bremer, has accused al-Sadr of "attempting to establish his authority in place of the legitimate authority of the Iraqi government and the coalition."

However, the U.S. military is continuing to try to broker a deal with al-Sadr, who is reported to be holed up with his militia in a mosque in Najaf.

A spokesman for the cleric, who is wanted for the killing of a rival cleric last year, said on Saturday he received a delegation of community and tribal leaders in an effort "to solve the current situation peacefully."

[Uninen]

RIP?

[MetalBoy]

RIP?
Yes, Rest In Pieces.

[Uninen]

RIP?
Yes, Rest In Pieces.

Naah, lets just put it as rest in peace, he was human just like every American killed in there, you dumb****. :backhand:
Rule nro.1: RESPECT THE DEAD.

[mustamato]

RIP?
Yes, Rest In Pieces.

I wonder what the reaction would be if I said Rest In Pieces the next time someone
posts a thread about US soldiers that have died in an IED attack. It would be kind of
provocative now wouldn´t it?

[Vance]

Al-Hassani said on Sunday the offices in Hillah, about 50 miles (80 km) south of Baghdad, housed a human rights organization run by al-Sadr.
lol

[incubz5]

"I wonder what the reaction would be if I said Rest In Pieces the next time someone
posts a thread about US soldiers that have died in an IED attack. It would be kind of
provocative now wouldn´t it?"

mustamato, In your apparent world of moral relativism, are thugs like Sadr no different than American soldiers? Are American soldiers hiding behind women and children? Are they holed up in civilian and religious structures because they're too afraid to come out and fight? Are they wanting to turn Iraq in an Islamofascist Talibanesque hellhole?

Is it any wonder to you that someone might celebrate when a thuggish, mudering little tyrant gets blown away?

Are 30 million Iraqis running to join Sadr's sinking ship or are they going about their lives peacefully while under occupation from those same American forces you seem to equate to warlords and thugs like Sadr and the terrorists flooding into Iraq to kill not just westerners, but Iraqis as well. They blew away two buses full of high school kids the other week.

Forget "rest in pieces". More like "burn in hell" as far as I'm concerned.

[Uninen]

are thugs like Sadr no different than American soldiers
Just that you know / notice, "thugs like Sadr" didnt invade and occupy United States of America, but it was "thugs like American soldiers" (Marines, Airmen, Sailors, Rangers... whatever... even PMC:s...) that invaded, occupied and demolished Iraq.

Think about it.

[Truthsayer]

Forget "rest in pieces". More like "burn in hell" as far as I'm concerned.

The problem begins when you meet someone with another view then yurself that loose some soldier. Imagine an border-clash between DEA-agents and Mexican Military - would you accept anything other then RIP for you fallen comrads, and do you think any mexican poster will accept your snide remarks of 'Reast In Peaces'?

On this forum it's alright to gloat over the death of terrorists, in other parts of the world it's alright to gloat over the death of 'invaders'.

If you run that race, then fine, just don't pretend that you are standing on any higher moral ground.

Ontopic, if he is dead. Well, Judge Dreed has yet again sentenced his verdict I guess. And there will be peace forever...

[Pooga]

Demolished Iraq? Boy, someone is looking at the picture way too close.

[ExtraT]

You can always count on Uninen and Truthsayer to stick their butts out of their cages and put out some offensive crap. How pathetically predictable of you :lol:

[Truthsayer]

Asking for conformity (remembering the old flame-wars between americans and russians over chechnia for instance) is a bad thing?

'We are all equal - some more then others'?

Feeling a little bit nazi in spring do we?


We can atleast always count on you to post off-topic flames in an thread to push your own agenda.

[incubz5]

Truthsayer, So what's your point? That everyone has an opinion? Imagine that! Hey, in Berlin circa 1940, the majority of men my age were rooting for Hitler and the Blitz, but it doesn't mean I have to "respect" their opinions and beliefs just because of some liberal ideology that turns morality into some kind of diversity program where killers, rapists, thugs, etc. are trivialized into just "a different opinion that my own."

And yeah, my moral high ground is not inhabited by al Sadr or Saddam Hussein, nor by liberals moaning that everyone's opinion should count, even butchers.

But hey, since we're playing moral relativism here, by all means, why don't we bring up the 30 million or so Iraqis not under Hussein? Are they running to fight us? Nope! Are they running to fight alongside Sadr? Nope! Are they calling for the release of Saddam Hussein? Nope again!

Since we're talking about opinions here, why don't we weigh their's against al Sadr's and the insurgents? After all, we're only talking about tens of millions of opinions here?

How about it?

[Falco]

are thugs like Sadr no different than American soldiers
Just that you know / notice, "thugs like Sadr" didnt invade and occupy United States of America, but it was "thugs like American soldiers" (Marines, Airmen, Sailors, Rangers... whatever... even PMC:s...) that invaded, occupied and demolished Iraq.

Think about it.

Eh eh, On which side ore you anyway? Coalition forces do not fight admist civillians in order to use then as shields. They do not randomly shoot mortars, RPGs in cities, they do not plant IEDs in heavely populated areas. Now letr's look at Sadr's militia ...

[Truthsayer]

Wow, talk about losing the perspective of the thread and posts.


If you are a facist, then fine, just come out and say so.
In an democrazy you have to accept the good with the bad.

Otherwise I would like to have a new threads with rules for wich humans and subhumans (to qoute a nazi above) that we are allowed to mock and wich-ones we must always show respect for.

Always show respect for:
Americans, not including liberals.
Canadians, not including liberals, french-speaking of any political view and immigrants.
Israelis, not including muslums.
Spanish, not including leftis or anyone supporting the withdravel on the 30th of June

Please fill the list.

Always mock the death of:
Muslums - no exception.
Russian conscripts in Chechnia.
Asians, anless they are beautifull woman or rightwing.
Terrorists - including but not limited to anyone that apposes the political views of any country OR citicen in the 'Always show respect for'-list.

Undecided:
Germans - only supported the war on terror. Can't be trusted.



*Read with tounge in cheak.


(Ps. The man - 'deputy of Muqtada al-Sadr' - probably had it comming - but there is no need to post any gruel pics of his death and gloat about it. Take a cigar and enjoy the moment with yourself in peace instead.)

[ExtraT]

Always mock the death of:
Terrorists

So, with you sarcasm, you are implying that terrorists should be treated with respect?

Do you even know the definition of the word "terrorism" ?

[Truthsayer]

If you dislike images of your countrymen being posted on other sites (or even news-sites) to people to gloat over (or sell more papers with in case of western media!) then don't post pics of dead 'terrorists' (exactly who is a terrorist seems to be open for debate, according to some) on this board.

Just take a few seconds and think about it.

[SeanAshi]

Naah, lets just put it as rest in peace, he was human just like every American killed in there, you f***.
Rule nro.1: RESPECT THE DEAD.
**** that, Adnan al-Anbaky burn in hell

[incubz5]

Respect the dead? A thuggish killer alive is a thuggish killer dead.

How about commenting on repsect for the living? The insurgents who blew away a few busloads of Iraqi children the other week to sow chaos have none.

Again, burn in hell says I.

[Pooga]

Hey guys, come on, terrorists are people too.

Let's get one thing straight before somebody gets an eye poked out: just because people execute others with bags over their heads, shoot from behind their family, mutilate people, and light vehicles and people on fire for a hobby, DOES NOT mean they are bad people.

If my country were being occupied by a force I knew was going to do more good than my previous government, I know I would main their bodies when I killed them while using my son as a body shield. I mean, just the PRINCIPLE of someone invading my country—even though they really mean to do good—morphs me into a 500 pound enraged beast with too-small ripped clothes.

It's perfectly logical. Everybody in this world is the same. There is NO difference between Gandhi and Stalin.

Just think about it.

[Bulkowski]

It's perfectly logical. Everybody in this world is the same. There is NO difference between Gandhi and Stalin Besides the millions Stalin had killed, I guess not :bash:

[MEGR]

I'm glad they got rid of this dude. However, the US really needs to step up the offense... This whole being soft on Najaf, and Sadr, and all these other thugs is just going to cost more US casualties.

[Pooga]

Besides the millions Stalin had killed, I guess not :bash:
http://www.posterservice.com/bigpics/3825.jpg

[Truthsayer]

It's perfectly logical. Everybody in this world is the same. There is NO difference between Gandhi and Stalin.

Ofcourse there are bad people in the world.

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.

Do I have to remind you of the flame-wars between albanians and serbs earlier? (Who was right, who was good, and who was evil?)

I would have been celebrate the death of Stalin too - but I would do it with my rightwing friends, not on an open (political...) forum.

[cut]

Good news. Go Coalition forces!! woot

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Coalition forces are reported to have killed a deputy of Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric whose militia has launched an uprising against U.S.-led troops in Baghdad's Sadr City and Iraq's southern cities.

Four other associates died in Saturday's raid on the cleric's Hillah offices along with Adnan al-Anbaky -- al-Sadr's top deputy in the central Iraq town, according to an al-Sadr spokesman in Najaf, Sayid Hussam al-Hassani.

Al-Hassani said on Sunday the offices in Hillah, about 50 miles (80 km) south of Baghdad, housed a human rights organization run by al-Sadr.

The coalition's top civilian administrator, Paul Bremer, has accused al-Sadr of "attempting to establish his authority in place of the legitimate authority of the Iraqi government and the coalition."

However, the U.S. military is continuing to try to broker a deal with al-Sadr, who is reported to be holed up with his militia in a mosque in Najaf.

A spokesman for the cleric, who is wanted for the killing of a rival cleric last year, said on Saturday he received a delegation of community and tribal leaders in an effort "to solve the current situation peacefully."

**** that, tell me when they kill sadr, if they can

[MEGR]

Sadr will be killed, hopefully soon.. Cause, negotiating with this goon is not going to work.. You can't negotiate with these people.

[MetalBoy]

I'm glad they got rid of this dude. However, the US really needs to step up the offense... This whole being soft on Najaf, and Sadr, and all these other thugs is just going to cost more US casualties.

Not really, if the US moved into Najaf and turn it into a battlefield, it would create a huge ****storm among Shi'ites who so far have been mainly supportive of the coalition. The last thing the US needs is an enraged mass of religious folks against us. A few well placed special operations under the shadows could do the trick (in my unexperienced opinion) if it could be pulled off.

[Pooga]

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.
You really have to have low self-esteem if you think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose.

[Uninen]

You can't negotiate with these people.

Same can be said of G.W. ;)

[MEGR]

I'm glad they got rid of this dude. However, the US really needs to step up the offense... This whole being soft on Najaf, and Sadr, and all these other thugs is just going to cost more US casualties.

Not really, if the US moved into Najaf and turn it into a battlefield, it would create a huge ****storm among Shi'ites who so far have been mainly supportive of the coalition. The last thing the US needs is an enraged mass of religious folks against us. A few well placed special operations under the shadows could do the trick (in my unexperienced opinion) if it could be pulled off.

That's the thing.. Now, Argyll and TP would be more of an expert on Iraq (since they have been there), but I don't see the so called support by the Shiites..I agree, I wonder if SOF is being used to "calm things down," I would definately like to see some SOF blast Sadr though.. I think, that we should make an example, and show that the US will not play nice, if these folks want to murder us.

[Truthsayer]

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.
You really have to have low self-esteem if you think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose.

Who the hell are you talking about?

[Pooga]

Same can be said of G.W. ;)

When was the last time someone tried?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pTbgg1ys_d8J:www.eslkidstuff.com/images/zero.gif

[usa320]

Uninen, How about you and your buddy Mustamato shut the **** up.

To compare US troops to a Brutal, murdering coward is completely offensive and downright disgusting.

THe only person who demolished iraq is saddam hussein, when he began killing and maiming his own people, and when he blatantly refused to cooperate with the United Nations. He dug his own grave. Now sadr is about 5ft into digging his.

So take your PC bull**** elsewhere. The reason we say Rest In Piece for soldiers killed in combat and say rest in pieces to these pricks is because the later are evil and the first are good. Thats all. Enough of this one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter horse****. if they were freedom fighters they would be fighting for freedom, not for perverse beliefs, personal glory, money or sheer hate.

[Pooga]

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.
You really have to have low self-esteem if you think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose.

Who the hell are you talking about?
…people who think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose…

[usa320]

hes talking about you idiot...

:fork:

[Truthsayer]

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.
You really have to have low self-esteem if you think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose.

Who the hell are you talking about?
…people who think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose…

Well, if you have any evidence that this guy blew up any schoolbuses, was responsible for the 9/11 or singehandedly started the WW2, then let us hear it.



idiot...


"I knew you are, but what am I?"

[Uninen]

Uninen, How about you and your buddy Mustamato shut the f*** up.
Uhm, lets make a deal.... THAT I WONT "STFU".

Cause from the all "horse shyte" you and some others have just posted its evident that you guys lack anykind of morals or respect for human life, and especially to the dead. :slap:

And as long as you keep giving these "rest in peace" for your own and "rest in pieces" / "burn in hell" for the "enemy" i will let you know and feel it how wrong and twisted that is.
YOU are a amoral person. :bash:

[usa320]

So you think its morally right to respect people who purposely kill women and children?

[ExtraT]

Cause from the all "horse shyte" you and some others have just posted its evident that you guys lack anykind of morals or respect for human life, and especially to the dead. :slap:


And you believe that a human life, by itself, has to be respected? Unconditionally, and without any exceptions?

Tell me, what about Hitler, for example? Or, say, Pol Pot? Should these mass murderers also recieve our unconditional respect?

Where the hell did you get the idea that dead should be respected unconditionally, without regard to what they did in their life?

[NcDeuce]

are thugs like Sadr no different than American soldiers
Just that you know / notice, "thugs like Sadr" didnt invade and occupy United States of America, but it was "thugs like American soldiers" (Marines, Airmen, Sailors, Rangers... whatever... even PMC:s...) that invaded, occupied and demolished Iraq.

Think about it.

Oh no! The Allies demolished Europe during WWII...boy...all of the participants in that war are all thugs and bad! :cantbeli:

[Uninen]

Oh no! The Allies demolished Europe during WWII...boy...all of the participants in that war are all thugs and bad! :cantbeli:

Not to mention millions civilians that even WESTERN ALLIES (USAAF AND RAF MAINLY) killed (IN TERROR BOMBING CAMPAING).

So...... :slap:

[usa320]

So Uninen you think its morally right to respect people who purposely kill women and children?

[Uninen]

So Uninen you think its morally right to respect people who purposely kill women and children?

1. His dead, YOU ALWAYS RESPECT THE DEAD, or at least dont go talking **** about them.
2. How many people this person even killed? None i guess.
3. Could you clarify his role in this fighting that has taken place....

Al-Hassani said on Sunday the offices in Hillah, about 50 miles (80 km) south of Baghdad, housed a human rights organization run by al-Sadr.
Cause all we know, he was human rights activist. :cantbeli:

[Pooga]

And as long as you keep giving these "rest in peace" for your own and "rest in pieces" / "burn in hell" for the "enemy" i will let you know and feel it how wrong and twisted that is.
YOU are a amoral person. :bash:
Wait, so if I say "RIP" for people I respect but don't for people I don't respect, I'm amoral? I have to divvy out equal portions of respect for everybody in the world? Geeze, what happened to freedom of thought?

I also am intrigued as to how Iraqi "freedom fighters" are not terrorists and yet WWII pilots are. Go figure.

[Uninen]

I also am intrigued as to how Iraqi "freedom fighters" are not terrorists and yet WWII pilots are. Go figure.
This is simple, i think i know the answer.... oh yeah..... Iraqis are fighting in their own nation, for their own freedom against a occupation, and Allied airmen on the other hand were attacking a foreign nation (and its civilian population, on purpose...) to which they DECLARED a war to. (France and UK did.)

[usa320]

No. Allied airmen were merely responding to the German Invasion of Poland and eventually France, and to the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor by Japan. not to mention the systematic mass murder...

;)

[MEGR]

It was right to bomb all those folks in dresden, and Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.. That is the reality of war...

[NcDeuce]

Oh no! The Allies demolished Europe during WWII...boy...all of the participants in that war are all thugs and bad! :cantbeli:

Not to mention millions civilians that even WESTERN ALLIES (USAAF AND RAF MAINLY) killed (IN TERROR BOMBING CAMPAING).

So...... :slap:

You really know little of military history, eh? Name a war in which civilians were not affected, wounded, or killed.


Iraqis are fighting in their own nation, for their own freedom against a occupation

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/Peiper03.JPG

So was this guy when he ordered the Malmedy Massacre...oh wait, you would consider that the protection of freedom...

Dumb troll.

[usa320]

I wouldnt say it was right, but given the technology and tactics we had at the time, we couldnt do any better. Had we had LGB's or JDAMs, we obviously could have done the right thing- killing the bad guys and only killing very, very few noncombatants. But that technology didnt exist in 1945, so we had to work with what we had. In the end, the Nuclear strikes on Japan saved lives, on both sides.

[Uninen]

It was right to bomb all those folks in dresden, and Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.. That is the reality of war...
Is that a joke, or are you just insane? :|

[ExtraT]

1. His dead, YOU ALWAYS RESPECT THE DEAD, or at least dont go talking **** about them.

Are you on crack, or something? Where in HELL did you pick that up from?



2. How many people this person even killed? None i guess.

He is an aide to a leader of terrorist insurrection that already murdered hundreds of Iraqi civilians. He is responsible for carrying out orders of his boss, and the contention that he, himself, never killed anybody (which I'm not really sure about) has nothing to do with his guilt.

[ExtraT]

It was right to bomb all those folks in dresden, and Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.. That is the reality of war...
Is that a joke, or are you just insane? :|

Tell me, are you a 15 year old girl or something? Coz your naivete is just STUNNING!!!

Of course it was right to bomb these cities! It was an ALL OUT WAR, for crying out loud! All sides long since stopped f*cking around with ANYTHING. And these cities were major industrial complexes.

[Uninen]

Naaah, ill just give up i cant teach animals like you, cause you have no clue, and no intelligence.

BUT BTW, USING YOUR LOGIC IT WAS ALSO OK TO ATTACK WTC ON 9/11 SO WHAT THE HELL, AS ALL IS FAIR IN WAR, RIGHT!?

[MEGR]

It was right to bomb all those folks in dresden, and Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.. That is the reality of war...
Is that a joke, or are you just insane? :|

Well, back then, what would've been a better way? That's the way it happened, and because of that, the world was a more peaceful place.

[MetalBoy]

Naaah, ill just give up i cant teach animals like you, cause you have no clue, and no intelligence.

BUT BTW, USING YOUR LOGIC IT WAS ALSO OK TO ATTACK WTC ON 9/11 SO WHAT THE HELL, AS ALL IS FAIR IN WAR, RIGHT!?
:| :cantbeli: :|

[NcDeuce]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/544276218407edbea29dff.jpg



Hank is graduating from law school on Friday night, and I won't be around, because I'll be in class, so I wanted to start this thread now.


CONGRATS my friend!!! woot All of your hard work has paid off at last! :hug:

Do you have a class on Friday night? Congrats Hank, although I don´t like lawyers.

Dumbass quote of the day ^


Naaah, ill just give up i cant teach animals like you, cause you have no clue, and no intelligence.

BUT BTW, USING YOUR LOGIC IT WAS ALSO OK TO ATTACK WTC ON 9/11 SO WHAT THE HELL, AS ALL IS FAIR IN WAR, RIGHT!?


Dumbass quote of the day #2

[MEGR]

Naaah, ill just give up i cant teach animals like you, cause you have no clue, and no intelligence.

BUT BTW, USING YOUR LOGIC IT WAS ALSO OK TO ATTACK WTC ON 9/11 SO WHAT THE HELL, AS ALL IS FAIR IN WAR, RIGHT!?

I'm an animal? You are here defending extremists who desire murder, and chaos, and you call me an animal?

[SeanAshi]

Devgru77, Uninen is anti-American, anti-Israeli, but pro-Russian.
right Uninen?
http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/forums/images/smilies/la.gif

[Uninen]

Devgru77,

Im not sure... let me check.... ummmmmmmmmm.. YEAH? Your fooking saying that these 3 cities were good and legimate and even "morally right" targets?

DO YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR SAYING THAT MASS MURDER OF MORE THAN 1 MILLION CIVILIANS IN THESE 3 LOCATIONS WAS "OK"?

Locations that DID NOT have any kind of military significance.

Cause if you are, YOU TRULY ARE A ANIMAL.

[ExtraT]

Relax, people.

Uninen is just your normal, average Local Zoo inhabitant of the troll variety. He doesn't even deserve any of the "honorary titles" (yet).

[Pooga]

Because you fight for "your country," you are incapable of being a terrorist.
rofl

[MEGR]

Devgru77,

Im not sure... let me check.... ummmmmmmmmm.. YEAH? Your fooking saying that these 3 cities were good and legimate and even "morally right" targets?

DO YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR SAYING THAT MASS MURDER OF MORE THAN 1 MILLION CIVILIANS IN THESE 3 LOCATIONS WAS "OK"?

Locations that DID NOT have any kind of military significance.

Cause if you are, YOU TRULY ARE A ANIMAL.

It happened man, and again I say, the world was a better place...War is hell, and it sucks that innocents have to die..

[Pooga]

It wasn't morally right, but then again neither is setting off an IED as an Humvee drives by, for "your country."

It wasn't morally right, but better than the alternative (amphibious landing on the Japanese mainland).

[CRAZY MERC]

I agree with Uninen
ExtraT, I personally think you are moron.

[CRAZY MERC]

I agree with Uninen
ExtraT, I personally think you are moron.

[Uninen]

and it sucks that innocents have to die..

Ok, with that i can live with. Maybe it had to happen and certainly it did, but it wasnt right.

[ExtraT]

I agree with Uninen
ExtraT, I personally think you are moron.

"Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one".

[ExtraT]

Ok, with that i can live with. Maybe it had to happen and certainly it did, but it wasnt right.

If you view these events outside of context of that war, then yes, these were horrible crimes against humanity.
But under the ROE and the general conditions at the time, it was ABSOLUTELY right. Some people just seem to forget what WWII was really like. Again, it was a terrible, all out war. And destruction of Dresden is only one example. One can remember the famous "dam busting" mission, where in one night RAF bombers destroyed several large hydroelectric dams in Germany. The resulting floods caused tremendous loss of civilian life.

Uninen, your sentiments remind me of this movie, "Memphis Belle" I think, where a wing of B-17s carpet bombs a German city from high altitude, and at the same time the commander of that wing worries about hitting a shool instead of a factory.

[weedman]

Eh eh, On which side ore you anyway? Coalition forces do not fight admist civillians in order to use then as shields. They do not randomly shoot mortars, RPGs in cities, they do not plant IEDs in heavely populated areas. Now letr's look at Sadr's militia ...But killing innocent civilians, attacking ambulances, etc.... :| (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13729)

[CRAZY MERC]

ExtraT, i appreciate your sense of humor. LOL

[Uninen]

Poor bastard has no clue that "Memphis Belle" is in fact war propaganda movie.. not a unbiased documentary......

And futhermore, it really doesnt matter what the bomber crew thought that they were bombing and destroying, what matters is what "Bomber Harris" knew and commanded, and that was holocaust of German civilians.

[ExtraT]

[color=darkblue]Poor bastard has no clue that "Memphis Belle" is in fact war propaganda movie.. not a unbiased documentary......


And you, uninen don't seem to have any clue, period Also, you seem to have trouble reading (and understaning). Of course I know it's not a documentary - that's what I was laughing about! Whoever fabricated this pathetic excuse of a movie has no clue about WWII, military set of mind, or pretty much anything at all. That's why this movie reminds me so much of you.


And futhermore, it really doesn't matter what the bomber crew thought that they were bombing and destroying...

It's sooo easy for you to go around and insult people! For example, here you insulted USAF pilots - according to you they are stupid, soulless machines that can't even figure out the kind of destruction they are causing with the bombs falling out of their planes.

You've just hit a new low, Uninen. :bash:


... what matters is what "Bomber Harris" knew and commanded, and that was holocaust of German civilians.

No, it wasn't a holocaust of German civilians - it was a defeat of Germany in WWII. And the said defeat wouldn't have happened without massive strategic bombardments of German industrial complexes.

And another thing - these "German civilians" were responsible for the worst war in the histroy of man kind. They faught it to the bitter end, they gladly worked their asses off in military factories and fanatically followed every order of their beloved Fuhrer. Therefore, they shouldn't complain, when it haven't worked out for them. And the most interesting thing is, that they are, for the most part, not complaining. It's people like you that complain all the time.

[Uninen]

these "German civilians" were responsible for the worst war in the histroy of man kind.
How were they? It is my understanding that it was the Allies that actually STARTED BOTH WORLD WARS. And its also the truth. Go read a adults book about the subject, maybe youll learn.


They faught it to the bitter end,
Did what?


they gladly worked their asses off in military factories and
They did not, slaves did.


fanatically followed every order of their beloved Fuhrer.
So? It was their nation and their leader that they were defending.

Or you the kind of loser that would give it up as soon as things would seem not to go your way? Cause im not.

Futhermore, allies demanded for unconditional surrender, which in fact made it impossible to Germans to get out any otherway.

It was of your own doing.

[Fox2]

these "German civilians" were responsible for the worst war in the histroy of man kind.
How were they? It is my understanding that it was the Allies that actually STARTED BOTH WORLD WARS. And its also the truth. Go read a adults book about the subject, maybe youll learn.

Funny, I don't seem to remember Great Britian or the United States invading Poland in 1939 and sweeping their Blitzkrieg across Europe.

[ExtraT]

That's fine propaganda there, Uninen. Herr Goebbels would have been proud to sign his name under it.

Tell me, are you a nazi?

[ronin2172]

these "German civilians" were responsible for the worst war in the histroy of man kind.
How were they? It is my understanding that it was the Allies that actually STARTED BOTH WORLD WARS. And its also the truth. Go read a adults book about the subject, maybe youll learn.


They faught it to the bitter end,
Did what?


they gladly worked their asses off in military factories and
They did not, slaves did.


fanatically followed every order of their beloved Fuhrer.
So? It was their nation and their leader that they were defending.

Or you the kind of loser that would give it up as soon as things would seem not to go your way? Cause im not.

Futhermore, allies demanded for unconditional surrender, which in fact made it impossible to Germans to get out any otherway.

It was of your own doing.

:cantbeli: ...u sir are an ass...lol,,so the allies told/manipulated germany to attack poland......so the allies told/manipulated japan to attack china, and Pearl Harbor, Burma, indochina, malaysia, borneo. It was the allies who told/manipulated a serbian to assasinate the Archduke Ferdinand and start ww1?

LMAO.......u have sunk to an all time low with this post! if u said the harsh terms of the versailles treaty laid the seeds for ww2 i woulda accepted that.....but u didn't. But the allies Britain and france through appeasement tried to prevent the war (which didn't do s**t of course) or did u forget this?

[Uninen]

Germany did not declare war on GB and France, they did on Germany.....

Futhermore, it was Russian mobilisation that triggered the ww1, after the Sarajevo incedent. :petting:

[ronin2172]

Germany did not declare war on GB and France, they did on Germany.....
Futhermore, it was Russian mobilisation that triggered the ww1, after the Sarajevo incedent. :petting:
hello they did that AFTER Germany invaded poland? u have selective memory don't u?

[Uninen]

hello they did that AFTER Germany invaded poland? u have selective memory don't u?

Yep? And so? (to the invasion part) Germany was taking back what was taken FROM IT in "versailles treaty".....

Undoing the wrongs of that "treaty".....

And no my memory isnt selective, but it seems your is.

[ronin2172]

poland was part of germany? get da fugg outta here......LMAO. :cantbeli:
U really need to put the crack pipe down!LOL I think the polish memebers of this forum will have words for u on that one!LOL
Your true colors are shining thru!

[n.ignomo]

Uninen, are you telling us you know the real reason why WW1 started.....i think nobody really knows. But one reason is becausediplomatics didn't exist, neither nations society nor UN.....

[ExtraT]

Your true colors are shining thru!

Indeed they are! We all thought Uninen is just a stupid moron - and it turns out he is a f*cken nazi!!

Congradulations, Uninen - you earned you honorary title: "The Most Destinguished Nazi Of The Local Zoo"

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[ronin2172]

i cannot believe he said that! LMAO.....OMG i am speechless!lol rofl

[Uninen]

diplomatics didn't exist,
Are you serious? rofl

[Uninen]

poland was part of germany? get da fugg outta here......LMAO. :cantbeli:
U really need to put the crack pipe down!LOL I think the polish memebers of this forum will have words for u on that one!LOL
Your true colors are shining thru!

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/1914euro.gif
Europe in 1914.

Oh and why dont you and ExtraT just shut up, cause your stupid little kids, and all ive seen its evident that you dont know anything. :petting:

[n.ignomo]

This wasn't Germany but Prussia !
Uninen, i meant that diplomats didn't play the part they had to, WW1 is one of the stupidiest war ever made. Everybody just had something against much of the others...just have a look at the number of countries which entered war after majors countries.....for example Italy. Let's try to know why the Turkish (Ottoman's empire?) fought with Prussia instead of Fr-GB-Ru-US.

[ExtraT]

:petting:

Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty nazi ape!!!!

[Pooga]

Poland rightfully being a part of Germany is about as much a lie as saying zoo bears wipe their butts on pink and purple bunny rabbits from the planet Did-You-Have-a-Bowl-of-StupidFlakes™-this-Morning.

[Truthsayer]

The problem is that different people has different perception on who is evil.
You really have to have low self-esteem if you think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose.

Who the hell are you talking about?
…people who think kindly of people who blow high school buses up on purpose…

Well, if you have any evidence that this guy blew up any schoolbuses, was responsible for the 9/11 or singehandedly started the WW2, then let us hear it.



idiot...


"I knew you are, but what am I?"

Since Pooga jumped over my question for proof when he let his mouth go off again, here is a repost.

[ronin2172]

poland was part of germany? get da fugg outta here......LMAO. :cantbeli:
U really need to put the crack pipe down!LOL I think the polish memebers of this forum will have words for u on that one!LOL
Your true colors are shining thru!

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/1914euro.gif
Europe in 1914.

Oh and why dont you and ExtraT just shut up, cause your stupid little kids, and all ive seen its evident that you dont know anything. :petting:

lol so u produced a map from 1916....poland was independant BEFORE that jackass.....

The Partitions of Poland: 1772 - 1795.
Taking advantage of a now weakened Poland, Prussia, Russia and Austria agreed to annex parts of the country in 1772. The Commonwealth lost 733,000 sq.km (23%) of her former territory and 4,500,000 of her population; Prussia took the smallest, but economically best, area; Austria took the most heavily populated areas, whilst Russia took the largest, but least important. To give the crime some legality the Sejm was forced to ratify the partition in 1773, despite the resistance of some Deputies, led by Tadeusz Rejtan.
Despite the disaster of this first partition, Poland underwent a national revival in 1773, thanks to the efforts of Poniatowski. The first step was the creation of the "Komisija Edukacji Narodowej" ("Committee of National Education"), the first Ministry of Education in Europe. Hundreds of schools were founded and the standard of education was raised. Writers, poets, artists and scholars were encouraged by the King and the ideas of the Enlightenment were taking hold. This was the period of Adam Naruszewicz, the historian, Ignacy Krasicki, satirist and poet, Wojciech Boguslawski, "father" of the Polish theatre, and Franciszek Karpinski, whose hymns are still sung in Poland to this day.

Taking advantage of Russia's involvement in a war against Turkey, the King launched a reform programme (1788-1792) and the task was carried out by the "Four-Year" or "Great Sejm" which established a new Constitution; the Constitution of the Third of May. Established in 1791, under this Constitution the "liberum Veto" was abolished and a majority rule introduced, and personal freedoms guaranteed to all the people. The Constitution was hailed in the United States, England and France, but was seen as a threat to the absolute rulers of Prussia, Austria and, especially, Russia. So, in 1792, at Russia's instigation a handful of magnates led by Ksawery Branicki, Szczesny Potocki and Seweryn Rzewuski betrayed the Commonwealth and formed the Confederation of Targowica against the new Constitution and then "asked" for help. Russian troops crossed the borders and war broke out. The King's nephew, Joseph Poniatowski and Tadeusz Kosciuszko, a veteran of the American War of Independence, put up heroic resistance but all hope faded away when the Prussians joined in, attacking the Polish armies in the rear. Many patriots were forced to flee.

In 1793 Russia and Prussia signed the Second Partition Treaty, seizing more than half the country and about four million more of the population. The last Sejm of the Commonwealth, which met at Grodno, was forced to legalise the partition and abolish most of the reforms of the "Great Sejm".

Popular discontent led to Insurrection, proclaimed by Kosciuszko (as Supreme Commander) in Krakow's Market Place on March 24th, 1794. Thousands of Poles rallied to the standard followed by a victory at Raclawice in which peasant scythbearers played an important role. The people of Warsaw, led by the cobbler Jan Kilinski, rose against and defeated the strongest Russian regiment in Poland. Berek Joselewicz commanded the first Jewish military formation since Biblical times. In May 7th, Kosciuszko issued the Polaniec Manifesto which abolished serfdom.

Eventually, in October, the combined strength of Russia and Prussia defeated Kosciuszko's forces at Maciejowice (where he was captured) and, in November, Warsaw was taken by the Russians who slaughtered the population of the suburb, Praga, including women and children.

Then, in 1795, the third partition wiped what was left of Poland off the map. The King was forced to abdicate and taken to St. Petersburg (where he died in 1798). Many captured Poles were sent to Siberia but thousands more escaped to Italy where, in 1797, they formed a Polish Legion, led by General Henryk Dabrowski, fighting for Napoleon Bonaparte against Austria. The Poles hoped that by fighting on the French side against the Powers that had partitioned Poland they could free their country. Dabrowski's Legion wore traditional uniforms which bore the motto: "All free men are Brothers!" They marched to a song written by Jozef Wybicki:

"Jeszcze Polska nie zginiela bugy my zyjemy,
Co nam obca przemoc wziela, szabla odbierzemy.
Marsz marsz, Dabrowski, z ziemi Wloskiej do Polski!
Za twoim przewodem zlaczym sie z narodem."

"Poland is not dead whilst we live,
What others took by force, with the sword will be taken back.
March march, Dabrowski, from Italy's soil to Poland!
Through your leadership we will reunite the nation."

When, in the twentieth century, Poland became and independent nation once more this marching song became the National Anthem.

So before u tell someone they know nothing do some research u whiny petulant , ignorant lil b***h, History does go back further than the 20th century

[Uninen]

lol so u produced a map from 1916....

Map is from 1914, before ww1 broke out. :slap:

[ronin2172]

so what.....the point is Poland should have never been under german OCCUPATION... u idiot..by that logic Japan should have never had the korean peninsula taken away as they occupied it off and on for centuries.

The fact that poland finally got it's independance back after ww1 is justice. The real point is u made an a$$ of yourself by defending the Nazis decision to invade and start off ww2, don't try to cover it up with pretty lil maps....

[n.ignomo]

Well, this Versailles just gave France Alsace-Moselle back.....and don't you say these french counties should have stayed german....by the way since we're here, Alaska belongs to Russia, Quebec and 1/4th of USA to France, other 3/4 to ENgland and Mexico and all new 10 EU members to russia !
:bash:
Dudes, we don't give a **** about how that was a century ago...

[fdt]

Germany was taking back what was taken FROM IT in "versailles treaty".....
Undoing the wrongs of that "treaty".....
And no my memory isnt selective, but it seems your is. If that was a quesion of memory You would have to be at least 70 + smth years old. Your statement is a pure show of the history ignorance.

In 1939 there was another country that was "taking back what was taken FROM IT" it was Russia going to war with Finland (BTW luck of Finland in 1939/1940 was that Stalin was thinking of a bigger deal this time).

Will You tell us that it was "Undoing the wrongs of that "treaty"....." Independent Finland was created according to this "unfair" treaty TOO.