Poll shows Bush's ratings as bad as Carter

[Jaeger07]

Newsweek's new poll shows only 28% of americans approve of the job George W. Bush is doing. 64% disapproves.

Poll nr. 19 in this link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18491981/site/newsweek/

[nullterm]

Still better than Nixon.

[shocker1]

Funny how they did not split by party the question of job approval. As for other questions like political courage topics and such show the same old split in the country with independants swaying elections. Folks like I and my nemisis the Democrats stay with our respective ships for the most part. Then again polls have been mostly wrong for every election I have voted in except for the trends of the independant voter.

Other then his left leaning and weakness as President I think Carter was just as couragous as Bush. Neither are driven by polls and were willing to take the hits for what the think is right. In the end that is the quality I look for in a President or anyone I support. Since the 50's the Congress has in one way or another mucked up the country and managed to pass the blame on to the White House.

[tomonator]

I have to wonder about that 28%

[Ordie]

Other then his left leaning and weakness as President I think Carter was just as couragous as Bush. Neither are driven by polls and were willing to take the hits for what the think is right. In the end that is the quality I look for in a President or anyone I support. Since the 50's the Congress has in one way or another mucked up the country and managed to pass the blame on to the White House.

I kinda agree with you.

I think we're in a similar situation when another Texan, LBJ, was in office.
Johnson will always be associated with the esclation of Vietnam on his watch. However, history is starting to give him credit for signing the Civil Rights Act, Medicaid, promotion of the Space program, and his example as the ultimate Senate powerbroker.

Carter is probably the most popular ex-president.

Democrats like myself starting to see Reagan in a more positive light.

Bush Sr. will be seen as the President that presided over the Fall of the Berlin Wall.

Bill Clinton will always be considered for 8 years of realtive peace and prosperity.

GW Bush really has nothing to lose. He's changed the Supreme Court for at least the next 12 years, and (for good or bad) changed the paradigm in the Middle East. I think the immigration reform legislation will be his final act with a sympathetic congress on this issue. Very much as LBJ's Civil Rights Act changed Southern Politics for the next 40 years regardless of party loyalites.

[shocker1]

Bush Sr. will be seen as the President that presided over the Fall of the Berlin Wall.


Yep your a Democrat, the Gipper is who I see standing there saying
" Tear down this wall".:)

[Ordie]

Yep your a Democrat, the Gipper is who I see standing there saying
" Tear down this wall".:)

I give Reagan credit.

Bush Sr. saw it through.

[shocker1]

I give Reagan credit.

Bush Sr. saw it through.
Fair enough.

[tomonator]

Yep your a Democrat, the Gipper is who I see standing there saying
" Tear down this wall".:)

Psst. - ah ,it was Kennedy, in his berlin speech, who originally said "Tear down this wall" although he said it in German and mis****ounced it. That's what he meant.

[shocker1]

Psst. - ah ,it was Kennedy, in his berlin speech, who originally said "Tear down this wall" although he said it in German and mis****ounced it. That's what he meant.
Oh gimme a break seems you guys try to tie every thing to a Kennedy. Then again Kennedy influance seem to be an unelected force in politics. Even when Ted the corpse finnaly goes Kennedy will haunt us for years to come. His ties to Vietnam are much stronger but yet he is given pass for the muck up the followed. Anyway Kennedy had brass too and did affect relations with the Soviets so I will give you a little on this.

[tomonator]

Easy, I was only pointing out the original author of that line "tear..."

[shocker1]

Easy, I was only pointing out the original author of that line "tear..."
Hey I am being easy, it is true though it's called the Kenndy backup card.p-)
He promised the Moon and delivered that makes him a great Pres to me, see I am fair.

[Ordie]

Psst. - ah ,it was Kennedy, in his berlin speech, who originally said "Tear down this wall" although he said it in German and mis****ounced it. That's what he meant.

Kennedy said: I am a Berliner.
German translation: I am a jelly doughnut.

[tomonator]

Kennedy said: I am a Berliner.
German translation: I am a jelly doughnut.

Lol-same thing

[annihilation]

Other then his left leaning and weakness as President I think Carter was just as couragous as Bush. Neither are driven by polls and were willing to take the hits for what the think is right. In the end that is the quality I look for in a President or anyone I support. Since the 50's the Congress has in one way or another mucked up the country and managed to pass the blame on to the White House.

Sometimes that courage in the wrong direction can be a dangerous thing. Whats right for a person doesn't always been its right for a country.

[sferrin]

Psst. - ah ,it was Kennedy, in his berlin speech, who originally said "Tear down this wall" although he said it in German and mis****ounced it. That's what he meant.

Perhaps, but we all know he didn't have $hit to do with it actually coming down so what's your point?

[shocker1]

Sometimes that courage in the wrong direction can be a dangerous thing. Whats right for a person doesn't always been its right for a country.
True enough but the core of what Bush stands for is what I support. His mistakes though many have been made even more damaging by the venom of election politics. One election ends the next one begins the next day with an opposite message that is drove into our skulls until we finaly think we caused all the problems we are facing. Well the biggest mistake the President made IMO was underestimating our enemy and the will of his political foes to use miscaculations. This would be fine if it were not undermining the entire war effort. Ahh another discussion for another thread.

[sferrin]

Sometimes that courage in the wrong direction can be a dangerous thing. Whats right for a person doesn't always been its right for a country.

And what's right for a country isn't always the easy road. And that's the biggest problem with US politics right now. Joe voter will ALWAYS vote for the easy way rather than the best way so you get politicians flip-flopping depending on what the study group says the voters want to hear. Social Security is a case in point. You get the honest guy who says "this needs to be fixed, vote for me and I'll fix it" and you get the standard politician who says "yeah but that'll hurt, vote for me and I'll spare you the pain (and never mind if it f--ks you in the ass down the road because I'll be out of office by then).

[beta]

President Carter was a disaster in both foreign policy and economic policy. Inflation was in the teens to 20%. The only wise decision Pres. Carter made during his whole presidency was to appoint Paul Volcker as chairman of the Feds. GW Bush is a disaster foreign policy wise- no doubt about it, but at least the economy is humming along ok statistically. Besides, Jimmy Carter has not met one crack-pot dictators, whom he did not like. He embraced Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and hugged and kissed up to Fidel Castro (remember, Jimmy Carter went to Venezuela to observe and declared the election of Hugo Chavez was fair and free of violence, while the everyone knew otherwise). So, yes. GW Bush most likely would go down in history as one of the worst Presidents, but I would probably rank him above Jimmy Carter, who is in the top 3 bottom-up. But that's just my personal opinion.

[shocker1]

President Carter was a disaster in both foreign policy and economic policy. Inflation was in the teens to 20%. The only wise decision Pres. Carter made during his whole presidency was to appoint Paul Volcker as chairman of the Feds. GW Bush is a disaster foreign policy wise- no doubt about it, but at least the economy is humming along ok statistically. Besides, Jimmy Carter has not met one crack-pot dictators, whom he did not like. He embraced Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and hugged and kissed up to Fidel Castro (remember, Jimmy Carter went to Venezuela to observe and declared the election of Hugo Chavez was fair and free of violence, while the everyone knew otherwise). So, yes. GW Bush most likely would go down in history as one of the worst Presidents, but I would probably rank him above Jimmy Carter, who is in the top 3 bottom-up. But that's just my personal opinion.
In Carters defense he let his Christianity overwhelm him with a disire to trust anyone in the name of peace IMO. He would have been better as a Sec of State or such post were his kind easy manner would be usefull. He tried to please everyone which in politics will end up turning all away due to weakness. Of course I was a little kid when he lost the election but I remember cying because he was going away. I can still see him on TV saying something then about loosing and it made me sad. I did not understand politics then just that he was the leader of my country and the boss of them all. p-) Also he is a Georgia boy so I like him for that if nothing else.

[beta]

I do not have anything personally against Pres. Carter. I respect him as an ex-president, a world humanitarian. I think personally he is a fine man, and if everyone were like him, the world would be a better place. But what I object to is his attempt at selling himself as a wise statesman, which the records clearly do not support.

[shocker1]

But what I object to is his attempt at selling himself as a wise statesman, which the records clearly do not support.
Yep, he has become senile and a little angry as of late.

[annihilation]

And what's right for a country isn't always the easy road. And that's the biggest problem with US politics right now. Joe voter will ALWAYS vote for the easy way rather than the best way so you get politicians flip-flopping depending on what the study group says the voters want to hear. Social Security is a case in point. You get the honest guy who says "this needs to be fixed, vote for me and I'll fix it" and you get the standard politician who says "yeah but that'll hurt, vote for me and I'll spare you the pain (and never mind if it f--ks you in the ass down the road because I'll be out of office by then).


True but there was nothing to gain in Iraq for american. I do agree sometimes the easy road is not the best road, sometimes we need to go through the hard roads. But I just do see anything to gain, going this hard road in the middle east.

[annihilation]

True enough but the core of what Bush stands for is what I support. His mistakes though many have been made even more damaging by the venom of election politics. One election ends the next one begins the next day with an opposite message that is drove into our skulls until we finaly think we caused all the problems we are facing. Well the biggest mistake the President made IMO was underestimating our enemy and the will of his political foes to use miscaculations. This would be fine if it were not undermining the entire war effort. Ahh another discussion for another thread.

That part I think is most damaging for us, the minute the election is over the next one starts as you said. Look at the 2008 election, it pretty much started in 2004. Its long and dragging and aweful.