Putin - Kaczyński meeting

[perdurabo]

well not them, it was their wifes in Sanct Petersburg

The First Ladies of Poland and Russia Maria Kaczyńska and Ludmila Putin have inaugurated the Polish Centre in St Petersburg. Ms Kaczyńska expressed the hope it would be an open venue, which Poles would feel at home and all those interested in Poland would be able to get the required information. Ms Putin described the opening of the Centre as an important development serving the consolidation of friendship between the two nations and states. The two First Ladies had a private lunch after the ceremony.
from: http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/print.aspx?iid=52345
http://m.onet.pl/_m/64f722637a9c9ba2ba15bc20a4a5ba84,14,1.jpg

Sadly both first ladies don't have any political influence so this meeting prabably won't change anything :-(

[asch]

i tend to see this as overall good sign. :)

[daily666]

i tend to see this as overall good sign. :)

definately...:) I guess it's time for their husbands to meet.

[Vehemence]

definately...:) I guess it's time for their husbands to meet.

They will meet. They will stand back to back, take ten steps forward, pivot, and fire a single shot. The winner gets Gazprom.

Seriously though, I haven't heard any negative news from that area lately. Things must be getting better.

[Flamming_Python]

They will meet. They will stand back to back, take ten steps forward, pivot, and fire a single shot. The winner gets Gazprom.

Seriously though, I haven't heard any negative news from that area lately. Things must be getting better.

Think again :D

http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1179151201.37

[Firetxmi]

I misread the headline. I thought Putin was meeting with the Unabomber! :D

[daily666]

Think again :D

http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1179151201.37

but it seems it's not only us in this

http://euobserver.com/9/24030

;)

[Flamming_Python]

but it seems it's not only us in this


I never claimed it was just you. Looks like Lithuania is also threatening to Veto the talks.

Shame there is no consensus on whether Good political relations rise out of good economic relations, or whether Good economic relations rise out of good political relations.

[daily666]

I never claimed it was just you. Looks like Lithuania is also threatening to Veto the talks.

Shame there is no consensus on whether Good political relations rise out of good economic relations, or whether Good economic relations rise out of good political relations.

the sooner the better.

[Sergei]

definately...:) I guess it's time for their husbands to meet.

What for? So that Kachynski will again threaten Putin with his "meat"? :)

There is no point talking to the serfs, there is a point to talk to a master of the serfs. Condoleeza Rice is in town for a visit, this is much more worthy than whatever Poland has to say.

[daily666]

What for? So that Kachynski will again threaten Putin with his "meat"? :)

There is no point talking to the serfs, there is a point to talk to a master of the serfs. Condoleeza Rice is in town for a visit, this is much more worthy than whatever Poland has to say.

You and your flame rant is something this thread doesn't need. :bash:

Especially that it doesn't concern you, as you're neither Russian nor Polish. Feck uff.

[Sergei]

You and your flame rant is something this thread doesn't need. :bash:

Especially that it doesn't concern you, as you're neither Russian nor Polish. Feck uff.

The truth bites, ain't it? :) It doesn't concern you either, prick.

[bart2000]

Well im not polish megaloman but i dont understand why they shouldn meet Siergiej, even Putin knows they should, but not in such political circumstances. As long as Poland will demonstrationally keep treating Russia as just one of many countries in the east, Russia will demonstrate its ignorance to Poland. Thats how this wheel is rolling. Meeting of first wifes is definitely a well planned and easily readible sign ( unfortunetalyl one one of so few positive) that despite all odds polish and russian buissinessmen should still develope trade and economical contacts in both countries. Many polish companies opens its branches in russia, polish specialists are welcomed with open arms becouse theyre known as efficient, polish products are becoming more popular. But both goverment' actionss rather scare than dear buisinessmen and fail to create a good atmosphere.

[daily666]

Well im not polish megaloman but i dont understand why they shouldn meet Siergiej, even Putin knows they should, but not in such political circumstances. As long as Poland will demonstrationally keep treating Russia as just one of many countries in the east, Russia will demonstrate its ignorance to Poland. Thats how this wheel is rolling. Meeting of first wifes is definitely a well planned and easily readible sign ( unfortunetalyl one one of so few positive) that despite all odds polish and russian buissinessmen should still develope trade and economical contacts in both countries. Many polish companies opens its branches in russia, polish specialists are welcomed with open arms becouse theyre known as efficient, polish products are becoming more popular. But both goverment' actionss rather scare than dear buisinessmen and fail to create a good atmosphere.

Words of wisdom mate, words of wisdom. I second that, especially as I see as business people from both sides are doing so much better than the politicians.

[Flamming_Python]

Well im not polish megaloman but i dont understand why they shouldn meet Siergiej, even Putin knows they should, but not in such political circumstances. As long as Poland will demonstrationally keep treating Russia as just one of many countries in the east, Russia will demonstrate its ignorance to Poland. Thats how this wheel is rolling. Meeting of first wifes is definitely a well planned and easily readible sign ( unfortunetalyl one one of so few positive) that despite all odds polish and russian buissinessmen should still develope trade and economical contacts in both countries. Many polish companies opens its branches in russia, polish specialists are welcomed with open arms becouse theyre known as efficient, polish products are becoming more popular. But both goverment' actionss rather scare than dear buisinessmen and fail to create a good atmosphere.

x3

I wouldn't worry too much. The political situation may be very undesireable, but the huge, unsaturated markets of Russia are going to be very hard to resist for Polish businessmen in the future, and vica-versa in that Russian businessmen will welcome an increasingly wealthy Poland that could afford their goods.

[Sergei]

x3

I wouldn't worry too much. The political situation may be very undesireable, but the huge, unsaturated markets of Russia are going to be very hard to resist for Polish businessmen in the future, and vica-versa in that Russian businessmen will welcome an increasingly wealthy Poland that could afford their goods.

That would be a very good developement IF Poland stops mixing politics with economy. So far, they fail to do so. Let's see in he future. Something tells me they are going to get the "wolf ticket" from EU very very soon. Germany is not going to jeopardise its 40 bln. trade with Russia over meat demands by Europe's "nobody".

[Kilgor]

This will surely make russia happy.

Poland's ruling party presents draft law to allow removal of communist-era monuments.

Poland's governing party on Tuesday presented a draft law that would encourage local authorities to remove street names and monuments that glorify communist rule.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/15/europe/EU-GEN-Poland-Communist-Monuments.php

[daily666]

This will surely make russia happy.

Poland's ruling party presents draft law to allow removal of communist-era monuments.

Poland's governing party on Tuesday presented a draft law that would encourage local authorities to remove street names and monuments that glorify communist rule.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/15/europe/EU-GEN-Poland-Communist-Monuments.php

The funny part is that many have been removed already (in the last 15 years or so) but these days they're part of the anti-Russian (in Poland) and anti-Polish (in Russia) agendas. Nobody made a big deal before, so why now? Maybe Estonia is to blame that they wanted to move a monument on their soverign soil and Russians have made all the fuss about it.

[Flamming_Python]

The funny part is that many have been removed already (in the last 15 years or so) but these days they're part of the anti-Russian (in Poland) and anti-Polish (in Russia) agendas. Nobody made a big deal before, so why now? Maybe Estonia is to blame that they wanted to move a monument on their soverign soil and Russians have made all the fuss about it.

I don't think anyone gives a damn about Soviet monuments (even pro-Soviets like me :D). The problems arose when the monuments are related to WW2.

[daily666]

I don't think anyone gives a damn about Soviet monuments (even pro-Soviets like me :D). The problems arose when the monuments are related to WW2.


Wczoraj minister kultury Kazimierz Ujazdowski zapewnił, że projekty te nie są skierowane przeciwko Rosji, a jedynie dążą do usunięcia świadectw dyktatury komunistycznej i nazistowskiej.

Należy szanować te pomniki, które dotyczą wysiłku samych żołnierzy. Trzeba złożyć pokłon, bez względu na intencje z jakimi Związek Radziecki przystępował do koalicji - mówił minister.
http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,14591,wid,8850897,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=13c0

Translation:
Yestarday Minister of Culture assured that the projects to remove the monuments are not to be seen as anti-Russian, but only to remove some monuments that are related to nazi and communist dictatorship over Poland.

"We have to respect those monuments which are related to the soldiers effort. We have to bow down before them, no matter what the intentions of the Soviet Union were to join the Allied Coalition in WWII"- said the minister.

clearly a Russophobe ;)

[Sergei]

The funny part is that many have been removed already (in the last 15 years or so) but these days they're part of the anti-Russian (in Poland) and anti-Polish (in Russia) agendas. Nobody made a big deal before, so why now? Maybe Estonia is to blame that they wanted to move a monument on their soverign soil and Russians have made all the fuss about it.

I would say that Polish politicians are doing a very good job, making absolutely sure that Russia and Poland would never get normal relations again. What a pity. But knowing the Poles they always step on the same rake at least once a century. :)

[Sergei]

Translation:
Yestarday Minister of Culture assured that the projects to remove the monuments are not to be seen as anti-Russian, but only to remove some monuments that are related to nazi and communist dictatorship over Poland.

"We have to respect those monuments which are related to the soldiers effort. We have to bow down before them, no matter what the intentions of the Soviet Union were to join the Allied Coalition in WWII"- said the minister.

clearly a Russophobe ;)

Knowing the Polish zeal, probably every monument containing a red star, even those having dead soldiers underneath, will be destroyed.

[perdurabo]

Knowing the Polish zeal, probably every monument containing a red star, even those having dead soldiers underneath, will be destroyed.
I invite you to my hometown (Jelenia Góra) to find how Soviet soldiers graves are preserved, where they are and witch monument stands there(how it looks) espetilly in time of "remeberance day".

[asch]

i know about a lot of monuments in Poland, which is respectfully preserved and people actually associate them with liberation from nazi.
my respect for that.



edit: my 1111 post :)

[perdurabo]

i know about a lot of monuments in Poland, which is respectfully preserved and people actually associate them with liberation from nazi.
my respect for that.



edit: my 1111 post :)
congratulations :hug:
As i said in other thread about monuments, my hometown had one monument in city center ("Ivan" -soviet soldier with PPSh and a girl giving him flowers) altough it was good meeting point -everyone knew if you said lets meet near Ivan, everyone felt like it didn't belonged there, like symbol of Soviet rule, so in 90ties we moved it to the graveyard it stands peacefully and "guards" graves of Soviet soldiers that died here, every year when it is "memory day/dead day"(day before haloween but we don't make fun in that time, we visit graves of our family and try to remember them) there are candles light on each grave. Respecting dead, espetially soldiers is part of our culture, politics and bad relations won't change that.

[daily666]

i know about a lot of monuments in Poland, which is respectfully preserved and people actually associate them with liberation from nazi. my respect for that.

edit: my 1111 post :)
congratulations

Warsaw
http://strony.aster.pl/mkasprzak/fotolog/202/foto1.jpg
http://strony.aster.pl/mkasprzak/fotolog/202/foto2.jpg

Wroclaw
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/5/005976.jpg

And a gallery of a cementary right in the center of my city- Gdansk
http://www.wiadomosci24.pl/artykul/fotogaleria_cmentarz_zolnierzy_radzieckich_w_gdansku_9004.html

[Sergei]

i know about a lot of monuments in Poland, which is respectfully preserved and people actually associate them with liberation from nazi.
my respect for that.



edit: my 1111 post :)

Maybe it is my cynical nature, but I expect the worst from people. Give 5 to 6 years.
Russia should seriously think about a program to rebury those soldiers on its home soil. Ungrateful country with ungrateful people.

[perdurabo]

Maybe it is my cynical nature, but I expect the worst from people. Give 5 to 6 years.
Russia should seriously think about a program to rebury those soldiers on its home soil. Ungrateful country with ungrateful people.
lol did some Pole f* your girlfriend or what?

[daily666]

lol did some Pole f* your girlfriend or what?

I bet he wants to be reminded how thankful he was to the Poles for supporting the Orange Revolution. Wasn't he?

[*^*]

What for? So that Kachynski will again threaten Putin with his "meat"? :)

There is no point talking to the serfs, there is a point to talk to a master of the serfs. Condoleeza Rice is in town for a visit, this is much more worthy than whatever Poland has to say.

What's up peasant ? Wanna farming job in the summer ?

[daily666]

What's up peasant ? Wanna farming job in the summer ?

You're being as rude and as stupid as him.

[tommy00]

You're being as rude and as stupid as him.

True,....best answer to "sovkov" is not to sink into their level.....

[Herrmannek]

i know about a lot of monuments in Poland, which is respectfully preserved and people actually associate them with liberation from nazi.
my respect for that.



edit: my 1111 post :)

Personally I don't know a lot of the people here who think Russians liberated us from anything ever... But thats true we respect graveyards... When it comes to stand alone monuments well it depends on many things...

on the side note.. Someone posted pictures from Wroclaw's Russians military cemetery... Now it may not look as it should because city was arguing with state whose responsibility is to take care of it, and in meantime it deteriorated a little... Now when legal things are sorted out it should be taken care of properly....



Maybe it is my cynical nature, but I expect the worst from people. Give 5 to 6 years.
Russia should seriously think about a program to rebury those soldiers on its home soil. Ungrateful country with ungrateful people.
Don't want to nitpick, but thats idiotic idea considering how places of fallen are threated in Russia. I've seen reports in Polish TV of Russian authorities building highway of some sort through the soldiers graveyard, against the protest of the local people. Effect was: whole place was bulldozed to ground and no any respect to the fallen was given... I don't have any way to find it again, but I'm sure you can look for reports and find it easily...

[nagant_m44]

anyone know what language they spoke? :-)

[Herrmannek]

anyone know what language they spoke? :-)

It was graveyard of soviet soldiers.. If I got your question well....

[CPL Trevoga]

True,....best answer to "sovkov" is not to sink into their level.....

Look who's talking. How's you sovok presidente doing?

[nagant_m44]

It was graveyard of soviet soldiers.. If I got your question well....

nono i was talking about the 2 women. What language did they use, russian or polish?

[daily666]

anyone know what language they spoke? :-)

Ugro- Finnish...:)


Look who's talking. How's you sovok presidente doing?

What's a sovok?

[CPL Trevoga]

Ugro- Finnish...:)

What's a sovok?

Sov(iet) =sov(ok) Sort of play of words. Implies negativity with anything asossiated with Soviets or Soviet Union. Literal translation means little shovel, scoop. Like demo-crat and dermo-crat. der'mo=sh*t.

[Brute]

What's a sovok?

http://www.photoline.ru/critic/pic/1105008749.jpg

[INAT]

I know i'm going to sound ignorant but is Polish to Russian as Serb is to Croat in terms of hate and dislike? I know it is diffrent but I mean are the feelings as strong? Please no smart-ass answers I really want to understand. We are all Slavic and I am studying Slavic history.

[Herrmannek]

I know i'm going to sound ignorant but is Polish to Russian as Serb is to Croat in terms of hate and dislike? I know it is diffrent but I mean are the feelings as strong? Please no smart-ass answers I really want to understand. We are all Slavic and I am studying Slavic history.

Not at all.. On Personal level Poles and Russians usually are good friends :) There is lots of strange differences between our cultures, especially customs like kissing and hugging or talking about each detail of family life with Poles are little more closed about... But I'm sure we both like to talk about our health, doctors and on medicine related issues... Yup and Poles from definition like to dispute to death random things. Same as Russians. Difference is Russians among themselves have common ideas about things... Poles .. oh well where there are 2 Poles there are 3 opinions :) Of course if we have to we have no regrets shotting each other... Hard love :)

[asch]

I know i'm going to sound ignorant but is Polish to Russian as Serb is to Croat in terms of hate and dislike? I know it is diffrent but I mean are the feelings as strong? Please no smart-ass answers I really want to understand. We are all Slavic and I am studying Slavic history.

there is always some dumbfvcks who hate each other, but generally we all good friends. a reasonable part of us, at last.

[perdurabo]

I know i'm going to sound ignorant but is Polish to Russian as Serb is to Croat in terms of hate and dislike? I know it is diffrent but I mean are the feelings as strong? Please no smart-ass answers I really want to understand. We are all Slavic and I am studying Slavic history.
the biggest dispute is: who invented vodka and witch one is better, and Hans Kloss Vs Stirlitz, we all agree that 4 tankers and dog are the best p-)

[nagant_m44]

p-)ive been to poland, most are like this guy

http://www.youtube.com/v/LD8KUOCfuk8

[Switek]

ive been to poland, most are like this guy

In this thread your post is absolutely irrelevant and just flamming.

[nagant_m44]

In this thread your post is absolutely irrelevant and just flamming.

take a deep breath, and walk around a bit. Your sudden explosions of anger are not healthy.