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TheBlackHand
05-03-2004, 05:44 PM
Thought I'd post this here. It's somewhat personal so I've rubbed out the names (since you aren't "family", far as I know).


Hey, this is ****. I typed this letter that we recieved from ******* on last friday. It is complete and unabridged. He called from Iraq monday morning at 5:30 am. He was very depressed and told mom that if you all sent any mail, he doesn't know if he will recieve it since their mail truck was blown up. But he asks for many prayers and would like everyone to write to him. Send this letter to whom among the family that you like.

Here is the letter:

Somewhere, Iraq

March 24, ‘04

Dear Dad and Mom,

How are things going? You been busy with all the warm weather? I’m kidding, I have no clue what kink of weather you’ve all been having. We have been traveling, rehearsing our first mission. We carried it out perfectly and no one got hurt. Thank God, because I know he personally saved our colonel. We got to our FOB the day before yesterday. It’s am old Iraqi Army training camp. We get mortar fire every night, and sporadic small arms attack. Usually they are pretty ineffective but we have had 2 casualties already in the division/regiment. Don’t worry, please, we will be just fine. We have it pretty nice. I have a bed and 2 hot meals a day. We don’t really have a schedule. Right now we are the guard for our FOB. It’s pretty exciting and fairly safe. The younger new guys are chomping on the bit, begging to go out into the towns. They don’t know what they are asking. I will be perfectly happy to do guard for the whole time we are over here and go home alive. I told the 1st Sergeant today that regardless of what we do we go home with the same amount of money!! But knowing our CO, this won’t last for long. He won’t be happy til he has half the company wearing purple hearts.

You know Mom and Dad, I don’t understand why the people hate us so much. Most of them don’t want us here, which is understandable. But to cut off the hand that feeds you or waves at you, to blow up and burn the face that smiles at you, I didn’t think people were capable of such hatred but they are. Our only friends over here seem to be the children, who are simple enough to see the truth. It’s so hard to see Americans get killed and them not to open up on those standing around watching as if it were amusing. I want to hate these people, all of them, but I know that most of them probably had nothing to do with it.

Well I just got back. We had a rocket blow up outside the wall. It pisses me off. We go out there, identify it and that’s it. The bastard gets away. We had better do something to permanently remedy their lives, or they will eventually take their toll. I say we put ambushes out there for their dumb asses but who am I?

Tell *****, I said Happy B-day, and I can’t believe she’s 23. It seems yesterday that we were 10 and 11, running around to horse shows. I really miss her and ***** a lot. I think it would take weeks getting caught up on all that has happened since we were 14, etc. doing ***** homework in our rooms, gathering in the green room to dream about our futures while Mom was on the phone.

Anyway I just got down in a bad mood. The way the officers are running things around here is pissing me off so bad. Everything is politics. We aren’t allowed to do our jobs because they are afraid to get casualties. If that happens they are afraid public support will go down and we will be pulled out. But I ask them, what is the use of sitting here taking fire and dong nothing offensive? The best defense is a good offense. They will just keep doing this **** if they think there is no consequence to be paid. Oh well like I said, I didn’t go to OCS, I don’t wear bars on my collar, therefore I am not entitled to my opinion. You know how it is dad. All I have to say is “Another Vietnam.”

Well in Kuwait, right before our convoy pushed north, our division chaplain came out and said Mass, had an awesome homily on the prodigal son, and then I was able to go to confession. The next day March 20-21 we crossed the LOD into Iraq, the exact same day we crossed last year to kick off the war. If felt so good you can’t believe, after confession. We don’t get the opportunities you think we do. And for all those people that say Marines are dumb, ruthless killers, that hate religion and morals; you have no clue how wrong they are. These guys are some of the most sincere, dedicated, sacrificing, MEN I have ever seen in the world. Maybe these men don’t receive Holy Communion everyday but they live according to their conscience, worship the God who they met face to face on the battlefield, and believe me, that is the real God. They put their lives on the line everyday, being treated like dogs, living like animals, for their fellow Americans who don’t give a **** about them. The only other person I can think of who does that is the Pope and priests and nuns. Yes that is how highly I think of Marines and any infantry, as far as that goes.

Well I am sorry for making you listen to all my bitches and complaints but I like to put this on paper because it gets it off my chest. Thank you for listening.

Mom and Dad if anything happens to me, I want you to know that this is how I wanted it to be, with the best group of guys I’ve ever known and fighting enemies of America and Christianity. What else is there worth dying for? I think God put me here for a reason. I just hope He don’t take me too soon. I want to do what He put me here for first. But know that I am happy here and am trying my hardest to serve God and Country with all the gifts He’s given me.

Please pray for me, you are both in my prayers (yes I do pray). Tell the kids hi and I will be home soon. Dad you had better practice your pool. I was getting pretty good in Okinawa!!

Oh! Tell the Knights thanks a million! We got prayer books given to us from the knights, they are really, really good!

Got to go. Mortars again! Bye

Love Your Son,

*******

Gives you some impression of what happens when.

Blowing up the mail truck?! Gah! Dastardly bastards.

Personally, I lost my religion during the first Gulf War. I guess it affects everyone differently. Whatever it takes to get you through.

They don't hate us because we're Christians or Jews. I'm neither. They hate us becuase we're not Muslim. The kid's don't know that yet. They'll learn.

Tane Angle
05-03-2004, 05:54 PM
I've had to ask sometimes, what kind of a God let's good people die such horrible deaths. Of all the times God might intervene, why not intervene to stop genocide? Or the sheer senseless deaths in Beirut. Those Marines and French paratroopers, the Embassy staff, they didn't do anything. Same for so many attacks in so many places.

On the other hand, believing that the dead are someplace better is sometimes the only way to get through the day.

:| War is simply confusing, spiritually. If I ever meet God, I have some questions I wouldn't mind getting answered if He can give me a few minutes.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

n.ignomo
05-03-2004, 06:01 PM
I recommend the "Empire des Anges" from Bernard Werber. Originally in french i'm sure you can find it translated....

Ichhabe
05-03-2004, 06:32 PM
Good letter, set some things in perspective I must say.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-03-2004, 06:54 PM
Not to be disrespectful or anything, but this letter very much out of phase with other's opinions I've heard. I have no way to know whether it's authentic or not, but it touches on the anti-war talking points such as "another Vietnam", we're once again "fighting the enemies of Christianity" (and thus are the "Crusaders" the Muslims accuse us of being), etc. Even if it is authentic, I guess the writer is entitled to his opinion....but I'm not so quick to accept this at face value.


Taken from another thread here that's applicable to this tactic;
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13387&sid=b035ad3b5a5b94a51b6a3fb637e6d303


What did the North Vietnamese leadership think of the American antiwar movement? What was the purpose of the Tet Offensive? How could the U.S. have been more successful in fighting the Vietnam War? Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army, answers these questions in the following excerpts from an interview conducted by Stephen Young, a Minnesota attorney and human-rights activist [in The Wall Street Journal, 3 August 1995]. Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam's army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism.

Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said,


"We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?


A: Keenly.


Q: Why?

A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

Uninen
05-03-2004, 07:28 PM
They don't hate us because we're Christians or Jews. I'm neither. They hate us becuase we're not Muslim. The kid's don't know that yet. They'll learn.
Its you that needs to do the learning, they hate "us" because you KILL AND OCCUPY them. :backhand:

big_les
05-03-2004, 07:59 PM
Not wishing to cast aspertions on yourself or anyone who passed this on to you, but I also feel this has the air of a 'counter-myth' created and propagated by supporters of the war/soldiers/whatever. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, just be aware that you *may* not be posting actual news with this.

AOCBravo2004
05-03-2004, 08:03 PM
Hate to break it to ya Uninen, but 'they' hated 'us' LONG before we started 'occupying' them and 'killing' them.

FinnishMF
05-03-2004, 08:05 PM
Hate to break it to ya Uninen, but 'they' hated 'us' LONG before we started 'occupying' them and 'killing' them.
occupying.. not 'occupying'

Uninen
05-03-2004, 08:20 PM
Hate to break it to ya Uninen, but 'they' hated 'us' LONG before we started 'occupying' them and 'killing' them.
Yeah, cause you killed lots of "em" before, in 1991.

And futhermore, your helping Israelis to prolong the whole god damnt middle eastern conflict.... :cantbeli:

MetalBoy
05-03-2004, 08:58 PM
I've had to ask sometimes, what kind of a God let's good people die such horrible deaths. Of all the times God might intervene, why not intervene to stop genocide? Or the sheer senseless deaths in Beirut. Those Marines and French paratroopers, the Embassy staff, they didn't do anything. Same for so many attacks in so many places.

On the other hand, believing that the dead are someplace better is sometimes the only way to get through the day.

:| War is simply confusing, spiritually. If I ever meet God, I have some questions I wouldn't mind getting answered if He can give me a few minutes.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Simple, God had nothing to do with such things. Its the free will of human beings that creates evil. Just my $.02

Falco
05-03-2004, 09:27 PM
They don't hate us because we're Christians or Jews. I'm neither. They hate us becuase we're not Muslim. The kid's don't know that yet. They'll learn.
Its you that needs to do the learning, they hate "us" because you KILL AND OCCUPY them. :backhand:

They hated us long before that.

Uninen
05-03-2004, 09:30 PM
Hate to break it to ya Uninen, but 'they' hated 'us' LONG before we started 'occupying' them and 'killing' them.
Yeah, cause you killed lots of "em" before, in 1991.

And futhermore, your helping Israelis to prolong the whole god damnt middle eastern conflict.... :cantbeli:
Falco, see above. ;)

usa320
05-03-2004, 09:42 PM
GOD DAMNIT UNINEN STOP SPEWING THAT BULL****> EVERY GOD DAMN THREAD GETS HIJACKED WITH YOUR CRAP. I THINK YOU BETTER GET USED TO SPENDING TIME WITH DUCMIS AND HELEX, CAUSE YOUR HEADED DOWN THEIR ROAD, WITH YOUR HIJACKS.

damnit.

Uninen
05-03-2004, 09:46 PM
Im not trying to hijack anything, but i do feel when people post hateful/one sided/overtly biassed posts, inaccurate information or blunt lies its my respossibility to correct you, cause if i dont, it seems that nobody will.

MEGR
05-03-2004, 09:50 PM
The reason they hate us is biblical.. It goes back a very long time.. Islam believes in conquering, and converting through violence..The only way to negotiate with people like these is thorough force.. Unlike what President Bush, and all the other Imams say Islam is not a peaceful religion. Islam wants anybody who is not Muslim dead or converted.. And yes, this includes you Uninen.. All your so called resistance fighters in Iraq wouldn't think twice in kidnapping or killing you or me.

Uninen
05-03-2004, 09:56 PM
believes in conquering, and converting through violence..
That sounds familiar... :roll:

All your so called resistance fighters in Iraq wouldn't think twice in kidnapping or killing you or me.
Yeah, sadly so.. cause by now they think that all "white / western" people hate them and want them dead, so why not to try hit first?

Thanks for the "OIF" and "GWB". :|

ibstolidude
05-03-2004, 10:01 PM
Im not trying to hijack anything, but i do feel when people post hateful/one sided/overtly biassed posts, inaccurate information or blunt lies its my respossibility to do the same

Uninen
05-03-2004, 10:03 PM
ibstolidude,
Thats weak... rofl

AOCBravo2004
05-03-2004, 10:05 PM
Im not trying to hijack anything, but i do feel when people post hateful/one sided/overtly biassed posts, inaccurate information or blunt lies its my respossibility to correct you, cause if i dont, it seems that nobody will.

In regards to posting inaccurate information Uninen, I did not kill anyone in 1991, I was 9yrs old and still watching saturday morning cartoons, and I am not helping Israel one bit, so stop spreading LIES about what I am doing.

Uninen
05-03-2004, 10:09 PM
AOCBravo2004,

Your understanding of whats written is quite weak? :|

I didnt say that you personally have killed anybody, what i said and ment was that "westerners" (IE Bush family, father and the son, Colin Powell... etc..) have done this to them, mostly americans, and because that they might now "hate" "us". :petting:

ibstolidude
05-03-2004, 10:16 PM
ibstolidude,
Thats weak... rofl
it is however true - if people post and make an ass out of themselves point it out. However to make like manner posts fromthe opposite direction is no more correct.

TheBlackHand
05-03-2004, 11:57 PM
Well, I must say it is sort of odd reading a few of these posts. Some of your responses are quite interesting and unexpected...then there's some that are to be expected. The odd thing is to hear it suggested that this letter is some sort of propaganda or fraud, either for or against the war. Funny, because I know the person who wrote it. This is like having someone tell me I didn't just see what I just saw. It is what it is. It isn't fake, that's for sure. I wouldn't say it's yea or nay as far as the war goes. I havent had the time to discuss the politcs of the whole thing with this person. That probably won't happen until his enlistment ends. I do know he's not too happy with the Marine Corps, (who is?) but very proud to be a Marine (we all are/were). I'm a former Marine and PGW1 vet myself.

What Uninen is saying is right. The oppressed people's of the world should be free to kill themselves without our help. Let them have thier civil wars. Let them have thier brutal dictators, political prisons and reeducation camps. Why bother? They couldn't hate us any more & they'll always blame us for thier troubles anyway. They aren't worth the trouble. Just give em a quick smack down every ten years or so. That is what you're saying, right Uni? No? Oh, I see...we should let them smack us, then hand over our wallets and say "thank you sir, may I have another!" BTW, who's your favorite dictator? I kind've liked Vlad the Impaler. He had imagination. Nailing turban's to heads. Hah, hah.