UN: independent probe into Fallujah humanitarian crisis

[Elmo]

UN rights expert calls for independent probe into humanitarian crisis in Fallujah


3 May 2004 – An expert of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights today wrote to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) strongly recommending that it establish an independent inquiry into the health situation of the civilian population of Fallujah following allegations that coalition forces might have violated international humanitarian and human rights law.

Paul Hunt, the Commission's Special *******eur on the right to health, said according to some reports, 90 per cent of the estimated 750 civilians killed in Fallujah were non-combatants.

His letter lists a number of allegations that have been made against coalition forces, including the use of indiscriminate force, resulting in civilian deaths and casualties; blocking civilians from entering Fallujah's main hospital; preventing medical staff from either working at the hospital or redeploying medical supplies to an improvised health facility; occupying the hospital; and firing upon ambulances.

"These are extremely serious allegations," the Special *******eur said. "An independent investigation can establish whether or not they are true. If they are not true, the coalition should not be falsely accused. If they are true, steps must be taken to ensure these grave breaches of international law do not recur. Lives are at stake - and so is the coalition's credibility," he said.

"An independent enquiry is especially important because recent events in Fallujah have been shielded from international scrutiny," Mr. Hunt added. "Access to the city has been severely restricted - and the extreme insecurity has meant that very few independent monitors have been able to report on events."

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=10597&Cr=iraq&Cr1=

[Ratamacue]

Paul Hunt, the Commission's Special *******eur on the right to health, said according to some reports, 90 per cent of the estimated 750 civilians killed in Fallujah were non-combatants.

Regardless of the validity of the report (which I don't know about), how can a combatant be considered a civilian?

[ExtraT]

Paul Hunt, the Commission's Special *******eur on the right to health, said according to some reports, 90 per cent of the estimated 750 civilians killed in Fallujah were non-combatants.

I'd say even more: 100% of them were noncombatants. This doesn't mean, though, that killing them was against the rules of war - on the contrary. These bastards are using public ignorance to redefine the most basic rules and concepts of war.

[seruriermarshal]

It's a war , UN only is sh*t !

:fork:

[TALOS]

IF (note the capital IF) they carry weapons they ARE combatants, if they provide intelligence(i.e. spotting for fighters) they are combatants, if they carry ammo for, walk with, or screen from view of the marines, people WHILE THEY ARE ENGAGING the Marines they are combatants.
Use some reason, the Marines are under fire from what many sources have claimed are well organized and disciplined troops who were former soldiers. Therefore you notice I havent used the word terrorist. But they have transgressed the rules of war by intentionally fighting from heavily populated civilian centers and mosques.
You cant run with someone shooting at and trying to kill a Marine and say you are an innocent civilian, innocent civilians stay outa the combat zone, and if they get caught in the middle of a firefight unawares they certainly dont stay there encouraging and cheering the fighters on. Another point, all this BS about unarmed bodies .... do you really think they leave the weapons on the bodies? they take them to use them, and then have the media in to take a look.

[FinnishMF]

It's a war , UN only is sh*t !

:fork:
:cantbeli:

[American Patriot]

The UN can go **** in their hat. Why my government keeps giving them billions every year is beyond me.

[seruriermarshal]

It's a war , UN only is sh*t !

:fork:
:cantbeli:

In Rwanda where are UN ?

F**k UN !

[Kilgor]

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

[American Patriot]

For the UN to be effective they first have to define human rights? Are the Tibetan monks human? The Rwandans? The unborn?

Are women to get the same rights in Saudi Arabia that they get in America? Are 'gays' to have the same rights in Belfast as in San Francisco? Are parents to have the same rights in China that they enjoy in America? How about the rights of a child?

[seruriermarshal]

I believe , UN for oil support saddam .

[budanski]

Perhaps someone needs to point the UN into the right direction (http://washingtontimes.com/world/20040429-120918-1334r.htm) on this investigation...

Funny how it never fails when one of our boys get burned and hung, we don't hear a peep from the UN nor Human Rights Groups but when the U.S. even up things, first one to get investigated is us. Who knows, maybe the self proclaimed martyrs who believe they have a key to heaven are all exempt. Really, if they want answers, just ask any of the embedded reporters that were with the Marines.

[MEGR]

I doubt US Marine snipers would purposely shoot women, and innocents. In a warzone, it is hard to tell who's doing the shooting.. It's an interesting article, but it is well know the the US has taking extreme precautions in trying to prevent civilian deaths...If the US wanted to really put it to the civilians, they would've done it already, and Fallujah would be a smoldering heap. I think, with heavy use of snipers alone shows that eh US is trying to take precautions.

[seruriermarshal]

I doubt US Marine snipers would purposely shoot women, and innocents. In a warzone, it is hard to tell who's doing the shooting.. It's an interesting article, but it is well know the the US has taking extreme precautions in trying to prevent civilian deaths...If the US wanted to really put it to the civilians, they would've done it already, and Fallujah would be a smoldering heap. I think, with heavy use of snipers alone shows that eh US is trying to take precautions.

You are right , if allies want kill more Iraq people , they will use B-52 and M270 attack city , kill anything can see Iraq people , but they haven't do .

[Argyll]

The Americans gave the residents a week to leave the city,prior to commencing hostilities,but you all knew that right?
They also allowed women and children to leave,the vast majority of those left were militia men and scum,they had their chance to give up the waepons they refused...........and they paid.

[afrographX]

It's a war , UN only is sh*t !

:fork:
:cantbeli:

In Rwanda where are UN ?

F**k UN !
The question is not where were the UN, the question must be where were the UN-members. The UN aren't really an independent institution, it's very dependent on it's members. In the case of Rwanda there was even an UN-resoltuion for more troops, but no country was willing to deliever more. Indeed as the massacre started most nations retreated from rwanda. So DON'T blame the UN.

UN's efficiency depends on the will of its members to act and contribute. USA for instance aren't really cooperating with the UN. They have an enorumous debt regarding UN. They only work together with the UN if they need a resolution to give their actions a formal support by the international community. But if it comes to things which may effect the USA negatively they block(f.i. International court for crime).

[American Patriot]

The UN is a meaningless organization.

[seruriermarshal]

It's a war , UN only is sh*t !

:fork:
:cantbeli:

In Rwanda where are UN ?

F**k UN !
The question is not where were the UN, the question must be where were the UN-members. The UN aren't really an independent institution, it's very dependent on it's members. In the case of Rwanda there was even an UN-resoltuion for more troops, but no country was willing to deliever more. Indeed as the massacre started most nations retreated from rwanda. So DON'T blame the UN.

UN's efficiency depends on the will of its members to act and contribute. USA for instance aren't really cooperating with the UN. They have an enorumous debt regarding UN. They only work together with the UN if they need a resolution to give their actions a formal support by the international community. But if it comes to things which may effect the USA negatively they block(f.i. International court for crime).

When you say these , I know UN need every countries , but if UN see Fallujah and Rwanda same , then now UN rights expert calls for independent probe into humanitarian crisis in Rwanda .

[afrographX]

When you say these , I know UN need every countries , but if UN see Fallujah and Rwanda same , then now UN rights expert calls for independent probe into humanitarian crisis in Rwanda .

:roll: I don't really get the point of the last part of your statement.



@American Patriot :petting: I really pity ou for being so incurable ignorant, must be a hard life for you, being always the idiot.

the UN are meaningless because of the things I pointed out above. They are very sensefull, because the UN are in my opinion the only institution which could help to realize the vision of a peacefull world. I don't mean some hippie visions, but simply that the international law is respected and that the sovereignity of all nations is granted.

[seruriermarshal]

When you say these , I know UN need every countries , but if UN see Fallujah and Rwanda same , then now UN rights expert calls for independent probe into humanitarian crisis in Rwanda .

:roll: I don't really get the point of the last part of your statement.



@American Patriot :petting: I really pity ou for being so incurable ignorant, must be a hard life for you, being always the idiot.

the UN are meaningless because of the things I pointed out above. They are very sensefull, because the UN are in my opinion the only institution which could help to realize the vision of a peacefull world. I don't mean some hippie visions, but simply that the international law is respected and that the sovereignity of all nations is granted.

I only say fact , you sad ? look these :

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

Your UN is sh*t !

[afrographX]

I only say fact , you sad ? look these :

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

Your UN is sh*t !

nothing happened because the UN did nothing --> means the security concil did nothing --> means the responsible nations did nothing.

so blame the international community and not the un as institution

the idea of the un is basically a good one. of course you have to undertake reforms to improve the systems of the un. i think they should become more independent from the differnt governments. they should become an own force to intervene whe necessary and not to be dependen d on the interests of national governments.
the un may have many weakneses atm but i have no idea how to cope with those numerous conflicts which take place atm in another way.

who is supposed to deal with them when not the un. do you have an alternative solution?

[seruriermarshal]

I only say fact , you sad ? look these :

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

Your UN is sh*t !

nothing happened because the UN did nothing --> means the security concil did nothing --> means the responsible nations did nothing.

so blame the international community and not the un as institution

the idea of the un is basically a good one. of course you have to undertake reforms to improve the systems of the un. i think they should become more independent from the differnt governments. they should become an own force to intervene whe necessary and not to be dependen d on the interests of national governments.
the un may have many weakneses atm but i have no idea how to cope with those numerous conflicts which take place atm in another way.

who is supposed to deal with them when not the un. do you have an alternative solution?

Then please tell me why UN use resolutions ?

[afrographX]

I only say fact , you sad ? look these :

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

Your UN is sh*t !

nothing happened because the UN did nothing --> means the security concil did nothing --> means the responsible nations did nothing.

so blame the international community and not the un as institution

the idea of the un is basically a good one. of course you have to undertake reforms to improve the systems of the un. i think they should become more independent from the differnt governments. they should become an own force to intervene whe necessary and not to be dependen d on the interests of national governments.
the un may have many weakneses atm but i have no idea how to cope with those numerous conflicts which take place atm in another way.

who is supposed to deal with them when not the un. do you have an alternative solution?

Then please tell me why UN use resolutions ?

:cantbeli: rofl :cantbeli: :cantbeli: rofl rofl :cantbeli: rofl

[seruriermarshal]

I only say fact , you sad ? look these :

17 UN resolutions violated and it does nothing about Iraq.
Saddam stays in power.

Thats the UN.

Your UN is sh*t !

nothing happened because the UN did nothing --> means the security concil did nothing --> means the responsible nations did nothing.

so blame the international community and not the un as institution

the idea of the un is basically a good one. of course you have to undertake reforms to improve the systems of the un. i think they should become more independent from the differnt governments. they should become an own force to intervene whe necessary and not to be dependen d on the interests of national governments.
the un may have many weakneses atm but i have no idea how to cope with those numerous conflicts which take place atm in another way.

who is supposed to deal with them when not the un. do you have an alternative solution?

Then please tell me why UN use resolutions ?

:cantbeli: rofl :cantbeli: :cantbeli: rofl rofl :cantbeli: rofl

You no longer have defended for these bureaucrats ?

[Salty Dog]

we're always fighting with one hand behind our backs. and soemtimes it seems like a lose lose situation, but it's not.