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sandersjp
05-19-2007, 08:15 PM
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/070519/5/hu9.html
Jimmy Carter blasts Bush and Blair on Iraq

WASHINGTON (*******) - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter blasted George W. Bush's presidency as "the worst in history" in international relations and denounced Prime Minister Tony Blair's loyal relationship with Bush in interviews released on Saturday.

"I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history," Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said in a telephone interview with the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette from the Carter Center in Atlanta.

"The overt reversal of America's basic values as expressed by previous administrations, including (those of) George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and others, has been the most disturbing to me," Carter told the newspaper.
var In an interview on BBC radio, Carter slammed Blair, who leaves office next month, for his tight relations with Bush, particularly concerning the Iraq war.
"Abominable. Loyal, blind, apparently subservient," Carter said when asked how he would characterize Blair's relationship with Bush.
"I think that the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major tragedy for the world," Carter said.
Carter, who was president from 1977-1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize for his charitable work, was an outspoken opponent of the invasion of Iraq before it was launched in 2003.
In the newspaper interview, Carter said Bush had taken a "radical departure from all previous administration policies" with the Iraq war.
"We now have endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war where we go to war with another nation militarily, even though our own security is not directly threatened, if we want to change the regime there or if we fear that some time in the future our security might be endangered," Carter said.
REPUBLICANS STRIKE BACK
The White House declined to comment on his statements, but the Republican National Committee struck back at Carter.
"Most Americans will probably take his criticisms with a grain of salt considering he also challenged Ronald Reagan's strategy for the Cold War, and history has since proven him wrong," said RNC spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson.
Carter told the BBC that if Blair had opposed the invasion he could have reduced the ensuing harm by making it tougher for Washington to shrug off critics, even if the prime minister had not been able to stop the war.
"It would certainly have assuaged the problems that have (arisen) lately," Carter said.
"One of the defenses of the Bush administration in America and worldwide ... has been: 'Okay, we must be more correct in our actions than the world thinks because Great Britain is backing us,'" Carter said.
"I think the combination of Bush and Blair giving their support to this tragedy in Iraq has strengthened the effort and has made opposition less effective and has prolonged the war and increased the tragedy that has resulted," he told the BBC.
Blair, who made an unannounced visit to Iraq on Saturday, has said he will step down in June. His Labour Party has named his long-serving finance minister, Gordon Brown, to succeed him.
Brown was a member of the Cabinet that voted in favour of the war, but has said mistakes were made in Iraq and he will review policy there.
In the newspaper interview, Carter, who brokered the Camp David accords between Egypt and Israel, also criticized Bush's Middle East policies.
"For the first time since Israel was founded, we've had zero peace talks to try to bring a resolution of differences in the Middle East. That's a radical departure from the past," Carter said. (Additional reporting by Peter Graff in London)

Lov3ll
05-19-2007, 09:01 PM
Wasn't he one of the worst presidents in American history?

cover2
05-19-2007, 09:08 PM
Carter was largely hamstrung by following closely on the heels on Nixon, Ford, the Vietnam debacle, Watergate, etc., a period where Americans were far from trusting of their government. Had he been given half a chance, he might have been more successful. Particularly when one considers all he has done since being President, there should be no question about his overall intelligence or ability to lead. I think it would have been tough for anyone at that point in history, even Honest Abe. Thus, I think his criticisms of Bush and his cronies is well-founded. I've been saying since the invasion that the USA will pay for this President for the next 100 years minimum, and, in fact, may not even survive that long.

CMNot
05-19-2007, 09:22 PM
See he kept his mouth shut whilst the whole 'sailors kidnapped' saga went on.

cbreedon
05-20-2007, 01:55 AM
Carter was complete crap and should keep his mouth shut.... Stagflation... 7.7% unemployment... 14% inflation....20% interest rate... hostages for 444 day....

Yeah Carter has some much to brag about... try buying a house then...

Freibier
05-20-2007, 07:38 AM
Gotta agree with Mr. Carter

dangerclose
05-20-2007, 11:25 AM
Jimmy is definitely an authority on worst presidents in history.

Surf City
05-20-2007, 06:34 PM
Must be a relief for the peanut farmer that someone took over his previous title as worst ever!

Laconian
05-20-2007, 06:39 PM
There used to be an un-written policy of former-Presidents not speaking out against current Presidents as form of professional courtesy. It was a nice, polite thing to do. No one other than a former CinC knows the stresses of the job. I guess times change.
The US became a laughing stock under the Carter presidency, both domestically and internationally. This is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Hessian
05-20-2007, 07:09 PM
Carter should stick to growing peanuts... what a winner we found in him!

Merfeller
05-20-2007, 10:11 PM
What's he selling? Besides the usual BS I mean. Maybe he's got a book coming out.

Merfeller
05-20-2007, 10:19 PM
Carter was largely hamstrung by following closely on the heels on Nixon, Ford, the Vietnam debacle, Watergate, etc., a period where Americans were far from trusting of their government. Had he been given half a chance, he might have been more successful. Particularly when one considers all he has done since being President, there should be no question about his overall intelligence or ability to lead. I think it would have been tough for anyone at that point in history, even Honest Abe. Thus, I think his criticisms of Bush and his cronies is well-founded. I've been saying since the invasion that the USA will pay for this President for the next 100 years minimum, and, in fact, may not even survive that long.

Oh, the drama...:roll:

11 Bravo
05-20-2007, 10:26 PM
Jimmy who ?...... oh that knob jimmy. Did he ask his dyke daughters opinion first...again.

Boomstick
05-20-2007, 10:45 PM
Bush makes Carter look like Ronald Reagan. Bush is a friggin idiot and Blair his puppet. Carter's presidency was a disaster, but nothing compared to GW's. Johnson had Kennedy killed to give his chiefs the Vietnam war, Bush knew 911 was coming so he made plans to play that card to invade Iraq. History has taught us nothing.

Hessian
05-21-2007, 12:31 AM
Bush makes Carter look like Ronald Reagan. Bush is a friggin idiot and Blair his puppet. Carter's presidency was a disaster, but nothing compared to GW's. Johnson had Kennedy killed to give his chiefs the Vietnam war, Bush knew 911 was coming so he made plans to play that card to invade Iraq. History has taught us nothing.


Yep you are out there... way out there.

loganinkosovo
05-21-2007, 12:35 AM
Kinda like the town drunk calling someone an alcoholic..........

schwarz
05-21-2007, 12:38 AM
Oh the irony...

cbreedon
05-21-2007, 12:38 AM
Bush makes Carter look like Ronald Reagan. Bush is a friggin idiot and Blair his puppet. Carter's presidency was a disaster, but nothing compared to GW's. Johnson had Kennedy killed to give his chiefs the Vietnam war, Bush knew 911 was coming so he made plans to play that card to invade Iraq. History has taught us nothing.

got your tin hat on???

mcc-dano
05-21-2007, 12:50 AM
Bush makes Carter look like Ronald Reagan. Bush is a friggin idiot and Blair his puppet. Carter's presidency was a disaster, but nothing compared to GW's. Johnson had Kennedy killed to give his chiefs the Vietnam war, Bush knew 911 was coming so he made plans to play that card to invade Iraq. History has taught us nothing.

I'm very eager to see you PROVE this claim. :roll:

President Carter can vent and jabb on and on about how much President Bush sucks, but history has already judged him as a collosal one term failure that Reagan had to go clean up. If you want to talk about a poor gas situation, look at Carter's term: People would steal gas out of parked cars!

I think Carter was longing to be in the camera again following his book, and all he has to do is sound like an idiot--then voila--more camera time. Now if a COMPETENT President were making these statements, they would probably hold more water. However, with Carter, it's like he's a collander yelling at a cracked cup for leaking too much.

cover2
05-21-2007, 06:57 AM
Carter DID broker a peace deal between Egypt and Israel, two nations that fought each other several times between 1948 and 1973 and beyond, and that peace has lasted to the present day. That effort might turn out to be his greatest accomplishment. Our current President has brokered peace deals with......oh, wait, instead we launched a "pre-emptive" strike against a country that posed no threat. Oops.

mi35d
05-21-2007, 08:14 AM
Carter DID allow the middle east to fall into the crapfest that it is today...and saw the rise of Central and South American insurgencies that have taken 20 years to recover. What a great statesman!

lider_r
05-21-2007, 09:54 AM
i think America, and the rest of the world, would be far better off with Carter at the helm rather than dubya.

Actually, i think Ronald McDonald could probably do a better job than dubya.

cover2
05-21-2007, 10:08 AM
Carter DID allow the middle east to fall into the crapfest that it is today...and saw the rise of Central and South American insurgencies that have taken 20 years to recover. What a great statesman!

Allowed the middle east to fall into a crapfest? How did he do that?

Central and South American insurgencies? As opposed to other Presidents who allowed criminals like Noriega to run Central American nations, etc.? All the meddling the USA did in Central and S. America amounted to nothing except death for many of the natives of those countries. And a lot of money for United Fruit, etc. But Carter is to blame for all of that? You give him a lot of credit for doing stuff for a man who was only President for 4 years.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
05-21-2007, 10:19 AM
Carter came to power at the wrong time. Simple as that. He was hamstrung by events that were beyond his control that were manifested in previous governments.

It's going to be the same thing after his royal ****tardness Bush leaves office. No matter who gets they will have one ****ing tough job.

dangerclose
05-21-2007, 11:04 AM
Allowed the middle east to fall into a crapfest? How did he do that?




Co-the fall of the shah of Iran and all the crap we're dealing with today because of it - ugh.

But Carter did come up with the brilliant idea for americans to wear sweaters inside to save electricity.

Nothing propels democrats to prominence like failure. Wasn't McGovern of all people mouthing off about something recently?

06USMC02
05-21-2007, 11:39 AM
This was the guy who cow-towed to radical Islam back in the late 1970s when the hostages were taken in Iran. His limp-wristed response shall forever be remembered, and the US has had to carry that image with it for a long time. The punishment should have been swift and exact - we probably would have a different dynamic today.

Carter was a screw up.

cover2
05-21-2007, 11:52 AM
Co-the fall of the shah of Iran and all the crap we're dealing with today because of it - ugh.

But Carter did come up with the brilliant idea for americans to wear sweaters inside to save electricity.

Nothing propels democrats to prominence like failure. Wasn't McGovern of all people mouthing off about something recently?

The shah's family replaced a DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader in Iran. And that happened back when Ike was President, if memory serves. Hard to blame Carter for that one.

Laworkerbee
05-21-2007, 12:15 PM
Jimmy who ?...... oh that knob jimmy. Did he ask his dyke daughters opinion first...again.

What does having a gay child have to do with any of this? :slap:

cover2
05-21-2007, 02:38 PM
What does having a gay child have to do with any of this? :slap:


Exactly. And if it did, what about Cheney?

Laworkerbee
05-21-2007, 02:50 PM
Exactly. And if it did, what about Cheney?

It doesn't period

NimDod
05-21-2007, 03:09 PM
Carter criticizing Bush about international relations is like a turd telling a fart that it stinks.

good night, everyone.

dangerclose
05-21-2007, 04:31 PM
The shah's family replaced a DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader in Iran. And that happened back when Ike was President, if memory serves. Hard to blame Carter for that one.


And who replaced the shah?

cover2
05-21-2007, 05:23 PM
And who replaced the shah?

How was that Carter's fault though? You're missing the point. The Shah was put into power in 1953. He and his people were murdering bastards who stole from the nation. So, over the next 25 years, people started to get pissed. And it just so happened that they got really pissed while Carter was President. So he was ousted. In essence, the USA had been supporting the Iranian equivalent of Saddam Hussein. So what was Carter to do?

Seiran
05-21-2007, 06:33 PM
New reading material for you guys to discuss.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18759682/

Enjoy.