New permanent residence in the US by place of birth (chart)

[jetsetter]

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Originally from here: http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2005/OIS_2005_Yearbook.pdf

This is what makes our country great. I hope none of you forget that.

[nognig]

What amazes me are the numbers coming from Canada and the UK.

And what the hell is up with the 51 people that got a green card but were born in the US? WTF? I'm guessing those are children of diplomats since they are the only ones who don't get citizenship at birth.

NN

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Hey wait, I thought everybody hated us?

[Mu-Meson]

Check out the 1000X increase in the 'unknowns'.

I imagine the process goes something like this:
Q: "Where were you born?"
A: "I dunno"
Q: "Good enough, here's you certificate"

[toki]

This is what makes our country great. I hope none of you forget that.
What do you imply with that?
There are different reason to move. First would be the classic, "i'll have it better somewhere else" the second reason is typical for globalisation especially between 'western'/industrial countries. The fluctuation between the european countries is also pretty high.

I just checked Germany. I thought those figures would be higher then 5-10.000 a year. I just read this week that alone in Alabama there are quite a few big german companies like Thyssen-Krupp, Degussa or Mercedes who are in the process of errecting or already running huge plants there. Thyssen is errecting a steelplant in the dimensions of 4+ bilions $ there. And that hundreds of germans will settle there permanently. 5-10.000 for the whole country/year is almost a bit low. That fluctuation is quite normal for industrial nations. Americans are also everywhere. I had a summer job at a german company in NJ a while ago. And of the 50 people who worked there, there were 5-10 germans living there permanently. If you add those figures up you wonder it levels at 5000 a year.

[Ordie]

Check out the 1000X increase in the 'unknowns'.

I imagine the process goes something like this:
Q: "Where were you born?"
A: "I dunno"
Q: "Good enough, here's you certificate"

Palestine, Western Sahara, Tibet, Puntland, Kosovo, Somaliland sometimes other nations do not give automatic citizenship to birth (therefore no papers).

What I don't get is American Samoa and US Virgin Islands. Both are US territories with "US Nationals" Status for Samoans and "US Citizen" Status for Virgin Islanders.

[Ordie]

What do you imply with that?
There are different reason to move. First would be the classic, "i'll have it better somewhere else" the second reason is typical for globalisation especially between 'western'/industrial countries. The fluctuation between the european countries is also pretty high.

I just checked Germany. I thought those figures would be higher then 5-10.000 a year. I just read this week that alone in Alabama there are quite a few big german companies like Thyssen-Krupp, Degussa or Mercedes who are in the process of errecting or already running huge plants there. Thyssen is errecting a steelplant in the dimensions of 4+ bilions $ there. And that hundreds of germans will settle there permanently. 5-10.000 for the whole country/year is almost a bit low. That fluctuation is quite normal for industrial nations. Americans are also everywhere. I had a summer job at a german company in NJ a while ago. And of the 50 people who worked there, there were 5-10 germans living there permanently. If you add those figures up you wonder it levels at 5000 a year.

The problem they have in Alabama is the lack of trained workforce in par with German vocational standards. Diamler Benz has quality control issues at their plant in the US.

[Flagg]

Hey wait, I thought everybody hated us?

Apparantly not, once they get their Green cards.

[nahimov]

Apparantly not, once they get their Green cards.

1 million per year is nothing on global scale. So the percentage of people who "hate" US might still be very high :D

In reality I don't think there are many people out there who "hate" US. They might dislike some political decisions but that is about it.

[Flagg]

1 million per year is nothing on global scale. So the percentage of people who "hate" US might still be very high :D

In reality I don't think there are many people out there who "hate" US. They might dislike some political decisions but that is about it.

Maybe they're angry for getting turned down in the Green card Lottery.

[jetsetter]

What do you imply with that?

I was directing that at the anti-immigration Americans.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

1 million per year is nothing on global scale. So the percentage of people who "hate" US might still be very high :D


"Nothing on a global scale"? Are you suggesting that immigration to the US every year should represent a significant % of the world's population? That's kind of silly, don't you think? Immigration to the US must be judged by two criteria - historical trending, and as compared to other nations.

Despite all the hype and hand-wringing about how very bad we have always been - especially now that we have The Worst President Ever™ and how everybody super-hates us, our immigration numbers are even higher than before he came into office.

Here's an interesting map that shows relative immigration/emigration. It's fairly self-explanatory.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/2shedsjackson/ahc.sized.jpg

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/968

And this one, that shows raw numbers of new citizenship applications - which, although not the same thing as immigration, is a good indicator. Of course it doesn't account for our 13 million illegal "guests" either.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/2shedsjackson/ahd.sized.jpg
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_new_cit-immigration-new-citizenships

[Gfunk]

I was directing that at the anti-immigration Americans.

how does whoring out our homeland make us great?

America for Americans, not America for foreigners http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

[velvet-cream]

What amazes me are the numbers coming from Canada and the UK.

And what the hell is up with the 51 people that got a green card but were born in the US? WTF? I'm guessing those are children of diplomats since they are the only ones who don't get citizenship at birth.

NN

Well do these statistics include new "citizens" by marriage? If say, a US citizen marries a Canadian and they live in the US, would the canadian spouse be counted in the statistic? If so, I won't be surprised at all. In fact, I would expect the stats to be higher.

The statistic that surprised me is how low the Australian figure is (3193). I thought a lot more Aussies would be new residents to the US.


how does whoring out our homeland make us great?

America for Americans, not America for foreigners http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

That's one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on MP. Sounds like something that belongs in stormfront.
I'm not from the US, but perhaps you should have a look at US history.
Unless of course, you are a native (Indigenous) American. Then you can complain about "foreigners".

[2Sheds_Jackson]

how does whoring out our homeland make us great?

America for Americans, not America for foreigners http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

Hey, I'm among the first to debunk the feel-good idea that "diversity makes us great" - but your attitude seems a bit extreme. IMHO diversity is a difficulty that must be overcome, not a strength - and the same goes for immigration...but neither is inherently bad. I guess it's how we handle it as a nation that can be good or bad.

[Limeyfellow]

What amazes me are the numbers coming from Canada and the UK.

And what the hell is up with the 51 people that got a green card but were born in the US? WTF? I'm guessing those are children of diplomats since they are the only ones who don't get citizenship at birth.

NN

I imagine it such things such as marriage, or a highly qualified job occupation. Those are really the only two things they let someone from the UK into the US. So we either stealing your jobs or your womenfolk.

[nahimov]

"Nothing on a global scale"? Are you suggesting that immigration to the US every year should represent a significant % of the world's population? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

I was just making fun at your "they all hate us until they are here" comments. Sarcasm sux over the Internet. Just 1 million of people who don't "hate" US is not enough on global scale that is all I meant (if you are under assumtion that the rest of 6 billion people out there hate you :D ).

[Andrew Chalmers]

Hey, I'm among the first to debunk the feel-good idea that "diversity makes us great" - but your attitude seems a bit extreme. IMHO diversity is a difficulty that must be overcome, not a strength - and the same goes for immigration...but neither is inherently bad. I guess it's how we handle it as a nation that can be good or bad.

Some of the advantages of the US' more open immigration policy is the ability to brain drain talent from a larger population of the world than what naturally occurs in the United States, without incurring the costs of educating the talent starting from infancy. The US has also enjoyed not having to face a reversed pyramid population longer than other industrialized countries due to immigration. Diversity can be a strength & a weakness depending on what sort of diversity we're talking about & on what we're trying to accomplish. For example, ethnic diversity is definitely a strength when it comes to creating a military force that is more able to deploy in a variety of foreign locations (imagine the interpretor shortage absent immigration). Obviously, ethnic diversity is not so good when it comes to poverty that can be associated with particular ethnic groups & racial tensions between culture groups with historical animosities.

[Atlantic Friend]

how does whoring out our homeland make us great?

America for Americans, not America for foreigners http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

Unless you are a 30th-generation Pawnee, I guess someone in your family was happy to find people ready to "whore out the homeland"... :|

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Some of the advantages of the US' more open immigration policy is the ability to brain drain talent from a larger population of the world than what naturally occurs in the United States, without incurring the costs of educating the talent starting from infancy.

You betcha - we let some socialist system educate them, seduce them away with our filthy Jenna Jameson films, then pay them 60% of what we pay an American. It's all part of the plan.

[tyovan]

haha..

2sheds even though you and i rarely see eye to eye politically, your sense of humor and posting style usually make me laugh out loud :D

[Macs.]

http://www.youtube.com/v/7vcf3ZMRoc8

[Ordie]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/2shedsjackson/ahc.sized.jpg

Singapore looks like a hanging fruit.
Hong Kong looks like a tumor.
Chile es muy macho!

[LazerLordz]

1,205 Singaporeans in 2005 eh.. interesting.

[nognig]

Well do these statistics include new "citizens" by marriage? If say, a US citizen marries a Canadian and they live in the US, would the canadian spouse be counted in the statistic? If so, I won't be surprised at all. In fact, I would expect the stats to be higher.


Huh? First off, the statistics aren't new US citizens, they are people who got green cards.

In 2005, 9200 Americans received "permanent residency" in Canada.(Source) (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/facts2005.pdf)

In the same year, 22000 Canadian received US green cards.

It looks like two Canadians go south for each American coming north.

NN

[velvet-cream]

Huh? First off, the statistics aren't new US citizens, they are people who got green cards.


I'm not familiar with US immigration and marriage laws.
But lets just say, a US citizen marries someone from Singapore*, and they then move to and live in the US.

The Singapore spouse remains a Singapore citizen, and takes up US residency (with green card). Would that spouse be counted in these statistics?

*note, I chose Singapore in this question/example because Singapore does not allow dual citizenship.

[toki]

Can someone explain that to me?
Americans complain about the illegals, but from the discussion i get the impression, that the illegals are kinda legal. They can get into prison for a crime and out etc., but they're not neccessarily deported. It'S a bit different here. There's a long process of finding out about the refugee status of some people, but if they catch someone just getting in and then being on the run without a proper refugee status, they'll put him in the next plane. In theory an illegal is send back at the next chance. Is it that complicated in the US? The status illegal should be enough to be put in the next plane. I don't get it. Illegal isn't a grey zone like "refugee", but a stamp.

[nahimov]

Can someone explain that to me?
Americans complain about the illegals, but from the discussion i get the impression, that the illegals are kinda legal. They can get into prison for a crime and out etc., but they're not neccessarily deported. It'S a bit different here. There's a long process of finding out about the refugee status of some people, but if they catch someone just getting in and then being on the run without a proper refugee status, they'll put him in the next plane. In theory an illegal is send back at the next chance. Is it that complicated in the US? The status illegal should be enough to be put in the next plane. I don't get it. Illegal isn't a grey zone like "refugee", but a stamp.

Big businesses in US need cheap workers. No one prosecutes businesses for hiring illegals. Money makes the world go round.

[Andrew Chalmers]

Can someone explain that to me?
Americans complain about the illegals, but from the discussion i get the impression, that the illegals are kinda legal. They can get into prison for a crime and out etc., but they're not neccessarily deported. It'S a bit different here. There's a long process of finding out about the refugee status of some people, but if they catch someone just getting in and then being on the run without a proper refugee status, they'll put him in the next plane. In theory an illegal is send back at the next chance. Is it that complicated in the US? The status illegal should be enough to be put in the next plane. I don't get it. Illegal isn't a grey zone like "refugee", but a stamp.

It is sort of like Germany's Turkish noncitizens - only unregulated, undocumented and children born on US soil become citizens. Basically - both sides are filled with uncompromising folks who dig their foot in the ground and as a result nothing gets done.

The extreme conservative POV deem anything short of mass deportation "amnesty." The business conservatives would like to see a guest worker program that would allow half a million or more annually to work. Moderate democrats meet eye to eye with business conservatives on the work program, but some want to reduce the #s because it threatens domestic job and drops wages. Ultra-liberals basically often want to legalize everyone ASAP and integrate them into society (although they also wouldn't want to see the effect caused by that ---> reduced wages, increased competition of labor).

Regardless of conservative or liberal - there's also an economic cleavage in opinions. The less educated, less qualified for high-tech jobs feel threatened by immigrant labor, which in US history have always been more willing/eager to work harder for less compensation, longer hours, and with less on-work absenteeism.

It isn't something that's going to be "fixed" anytime soon - economic forces are driving the migration & social policy wishes to fight it.

[Ordie]

1,205 Singaporeans in 2005 eh.. interesting.

Many move to Perth.

Constant problems in low birth rate, and emigration to the US and Australia. Singapore therefore allows Indonesians, and Filipinos to backfill on service sector jobs.

Great strides have been done to attract Japanese salarymen to Singapore with promises of more money, promotion, and quality of life.

Attracting Western Ex-pats is a problem citing that Singapore is stuffy, stale and boring after a week. Censorship in the arts and media is a concern. The Asian Wall Street Journal and Far East Economic Review occasionally gets banned.

[velvet-cream]

Many move to Perth.

Constant problems in low birth rate, and emigration to the US and Australia. Singapore therefore allows Indonesians, and Filipinos to backfill on service sector jobs.

Great strides have been done to attract Japanese salarymen to Singapore with promises of more money, promotion, and quality of life.

Attracting Western Ex-pats is a problem citing that Singapore is stuffy, stale and boring after a week. Censorship in the arts and media is a concern. The Asian Wall Street Journal and Far East Economic Review occasionally gets banned.

Recently I've seen a lot of advertisments in the Australian media trying to get skilled Australians to work in Singapore.

I couldn't live in Singapore. The humidity kills me.