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signatory
05-24-2007, 03:14 AM
What's your opinion on this issue.



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Iraqi Refugees Create Quandary
U.S. Admits Only a Handful,
Spurring Fresh Political Dueling
By NEIL KING JR. and YOCHI J. DREAZEN

WASHINGTON -- Thousands of Iraqis are fleeing the war in their country daily. In the past seven months, the U.S. has admitted just 69 of them, including only one last month.

That dichotomy has set off the latest round of battling between the Bush administration and Democrats in Congress over the war. With large and growing numbers of Iraqi refugees in Syria, Jordan and other countries, Democrats are pushing legislation to drastically increase the number of them given haven in the U.S., including thousands of interpreters, drivers and others whose service has put their lives in jeopardy.

But the administration has yet to decide on a method to screen potential Iraqi refugees for possible terrorism ties. The U.S. also lacks any facilities in Iraq or its environs to process immigration requests from Iraqis who worked for the U.S. embassy, military or contractors.

Even if the U.S. gets the procedures in place, the administration likely can accept only a few thousand Iraqis by the end of the fiscal year in September. "The number of visas issued so far is less than paltry," says Rep. Gary Ackerman (D., N.Y.). "We're talking about people who have risked their lives for us, who now have targets on their backs."

Nearly a tenth of Iraq's prewar population is estimated to have fled the country since 2003. Most have left over the past year as ethnic clashes and mass killings uprooted large areas of the country.

The sheer numbers, and rapid recent escalation, have spawned fears, particularly in Jordan, that the Iraqi expatriates could destabilize the region's governments and strain local economies.

The refugee wave is tricky for an administration eager to portray the recent troop "surge" as a boost to improving security and curbing the sectarian killings in Iraq. There's also genuine concern that encouraging large-scale flight from Iraq will compound the country's many challenges, by luring its most talented citizens to the U.S.

But critics say the administration has been slow to address the population exodus for fear it would amount to an admission of failure. Officials deny shirking the crisis and say they are responding as swiftly as possible to a complex situation that has crested only in recent months.

The U.S. plans to spend $150 million this year for Iraqi refugee work in the Middle East. Officials say the Department of Homeland Security plans to announce within days a new streamlined procedure for vetting Iraqis who want to come to the U.S., opening the way for a wave of approvals. The State Department plans to open offices soon in both Jordan and Syria to process claims from Iraqis who say they worked for the U.S.

"The administration has made a firm and very substantial commitment to help displaced Iraqis," says Ellen Sauerbrey, assistant secretary of state for population, refugees and migration. "This is moving along well."

Still, Democrats like Earl Blumenauer of Oregon say they are infuriated by the small number of Iraqis allowed into the U.S. so far this year. Rep. Blumenauer notes that Sweden plans to accept 25,000 Iraqi refugees this year, far more than the U.S. "I find that unconscionable," Mr. Blumenauer says. Other Democrats championing the issue include Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Rep. Howard Berman of California.

One refugee bill, which would expand the number of Iraqi and Afghan military translators allowed to settle in the U.S. to 500 a year from 50, passed both chambers of Congress by a wide margin this week. Mr. Bush is expected to sign it.

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But Rep. Blumenauer has introduced a far more ambitious bill that would allow 20,000 Iraqis into the U.S. this year, followed by 15,000 in each of the following four years. The bill also would create a "special coordinator for Iraqi refugees and internally displaced persons" within the mammoth U.S. embassy in Baghdad. It has yet to be scheduled for a vote.

Rep. Ackerman plans to introduce his own bill today demanding the State Department put forward another $100 million for resettlement and provide its own numbers for how large the refugee crisis is. He predicts the U.S. may have to take in as many as 120,000 Iraqis.

Virtually no Republicans have joined the push to get larger numbers of Iraqis into the country, complicating the bill's chances of making it into law. Mr. Blumenauer's bill has only attracted a single Republican co-sponsor, Rep. Chris Shays of Connecticut, a moderate Republican and frequent critic of the administration's handling of Iraq.

For its part, the Bush administration has erected a series of bureaucratic obstacles making it difficult for Iraqi refugees to make it to the U.S.

Under an agreement between the United Nations and the U.S. government, the U.N. refers refugee applications to the State Department, which is supposed to prescreen each applicant, then pass them to the Department of Homeland Security so they can be vetted for possible terrorist ties. The U.N. says it has referred more than 4,300 cases to the U.S. government. Virtually none have been let into the U.S. as refugees.

The DHS has dispatched interviewers to Jordan, Syria, and other countries to interview nearly all the refugees identified by the U.N. as wanting a haven in the U.S., says Chris Bentley, a department spokesman. "We're current in those interviews," he says.

But the current lack of final vetting procedures means that, even with those interviews, the vast majority of Iraqis seeking a home in the U.S. can't get the necessary final security clearance. That imprimatur has been given to only a dozen or so this year, most of whom worked previously with the U.S. government in Iraq. The rest of the 69 Iraqis let in since October have been waiting to come to the U.S. since before the war began, officials say.

For refugees such as 32-year-old Basil Al-Majdi, the struggle to get an audience with a U.S. official is frustrating. Mr. Al-Majdi worked for the United Nations in Baghdad until, he says, he was nearly crushed in his office when a truck bomb destroyed the U.N. headquarters there in 2003. He later worked as a manager for a trucking company that hauled supplies for U.S. military forces. There, he says, he was shot at and repeatedly threatened by insurgents.

Mr. Al-Majdi fled with his parents to Syria at the start of the year. Since then, he says, he and his family have been trying to move to the U.S.

"I went to the embassy and they absolutely refused to see me," Mr. Al-Majdi said in a phone interview. "I told the U.N. that I worked for the U.S. and the coalition, but they have thousands of applications. My only plan now is to wait."

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Bitogno
05-24-2007, 04:49 AM
With so many refugees ( palestinians, iraqis ) some countries such as Jordan risk being destabelized.

signatory
05-24-2007, 05:04 AM
With so many refugees ( palestinians, iraqis ) some countries such as Jordan risk being destabelized.

And Iraq is being drained on brainpower, many people with high education and skills leave.. not good for attempts to reconstruct the nation.

Loki77
05-24-2007, 06:06 AM
What's your opinion on this issue.
One refugee in april....
Poor Sweden!!!

lider_r
05-24-2007, 07:30 AM
i think the US has an obligation to help at least some of these people

such as the families of the people it kills accidently during its missions, instead of a pitifully small financial compensation

Herrmannek
05-24-2007, 12:04 PM
Its Obvious. They must really hate America :)

joedirt
05-24-2007, 12:53 PM
I saw on current tv they had a piece about how a lot of them are going to Syria because its the only country that will take them in but at the same time they cant get jobs. its a pretty bad situation.

Durandal
05-24-2007, 07:43 PM
i think the US has an obligation to help at least some of these people

such as the families of the people it kills accidently during its missions, instead of a pitifully small financial compensation

Hey, if we are arresting Chinese muslims and locking them in jail for half a decade because some pakistani mulah wanted a 10K reward, why in would we let REAL enemies into our country? I mean, they are Iraqi, and we are at war WITH Iraq still...right?

I call that smart.

You wreck a dude's home, kill a couple of his kids and maybe his sister or wife while trying to get the bad guys...I know I wouldn't let him into the country. I'd be like Mel Gibson in Payback if that crap happened to me.

signatory
05-24-2007, 11:49 PM
One of the least viewed and commented threads... only one US comment ^^ but I'm not sure it that's sarcasm or what. Hm, though I was actually expecting even less.

np. Those who did not cause this exodus will naturally continue to clean up the mess. As usual. And we'll continue even after US forces and media leave.... of course, in debate forums the "eurabia" comments will still flourish and the attempts to highlight the successes of US integration will go on...

Oh yeah. Sarcasm.. ? Hm Hm.

Durandal
05-24-2007, 11:53 PM
...of course, in debate forums the "eurabia" comments will still flourish and the attempts to highlight the successes of US integration will go on.

It sucks when you have no one to seriously take a hold of your flame bait.

Its ok, though. Its ok.

ElHombre
05-25-2007, 04:54 PM
I hope that those who helped the US (especially on the lower rungs, the translators and such) will be allowed into the country when the balloon in Iraq finally bursts.

sidman69
05-25-2007, 06:03 PM
there was a piece on 60 minutes a few months back about Translators who work with the US military being abandoned by the US and being forced to flee to Syria. The US should have some obligation to help those who've risked their lives helping US forces.

THE.WHITE.RIDER
06-03-2007, 12:26 PM
Hey, if we are arresting Chinese muslims and locking them in jail for half a decade because some pakistani mulah wanted a 10K reward, why in would we let REAL enemies into our country? I mean, they are Iraqi, and we are at war WITH Iraq still...right?


You wreck a dude's home, kill a couple of his kids and maybe his sister or wife while trying to get the bad guys...I know I wouldn't let him into the country. I'd be like Mel Gibson in Payback if that crap happened to me.

You think they want to immigrant here to blow stuff up? Most of them want stability.

"I call that smart."

I call you stupid.

Durandal
06-03-2007, 01:17 PM
You think they want to IMMIGRATE here to blow stuff up? Most of them want stability.

"I call that smart."

I call you stupid.

You, my son, are either too young, too new to the forum, or simply too obtuse (most likely all three) to understand my comment.

I also corrected your post (in my quote of it) so you look a little less like an idiot.

That said, I never claimed that all Iraqis want to immigrate to the U.S. to blow things up.

Durandal
06-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Hey WHITE.RIDER...

Why don't you keep this conversation public?


You are either a Jew, a Kemalist or scum. (Most likely all three). Suck my balls, son.

That is the best you can do? Come on now.

Not too sure if you are a Turk or a White Supremacist. Either way...woops.

helomech
06-03-2007, 10:40 PM
With so many refugees ( palestinians, iraqis ) some countries such as Jordan risk being destabelized.

I don't think so;the rules/regulations are made explicitly clear to those who emigrate to Jordan;those who don't will get a 'friendly' visit from the GID.......

signatory
06-04-2007, 08:37 PM
It sucks when you have no one to seriously take a hold of your flame bait.

Its ok, though. Its ok.

Yeah it's quite boring when people avoid the serious issues.

What exactly was the flame bait part in my comment ? I simply wrote the truth.

Macs.
06-04-2007, 08:48 PM
FLEEING FROM BAGHDAD TO DAMASCUS

Refugees on the Highway from Hell

In the four years since the Iraq war began, 2 million refugees have left the country. The journey to Syria is a dangerous one -- but as it gets safer, the trip is becoming more and more popular.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,474205,00.html


ESCAPING CHAOS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Few Iraqis Are Gaining US Sanctuary

Thousands flee Iraq every day, but the US has placed strict limits on the number of Iraqi refugees allowed to settle in America.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,457334,00.html


'WE ABANDONED SYRIA'

An Emerging Iraqi Refugee Crisis

Syria has so far taken in 1.2 million refugees from Iraq without any help from the outside world, but there are indications that things could be about to changehttp://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,471728,00.html


REJECTED IN THE GREEN ZONE, ACCEPTED IN SWEDEN

The Tragically High Price of Helping Americans

Ameer spent years working for the Americans in Baghdad, but now he finds himself living in a tiny town in Sweden. His security was not high on the US priority list. And neither, it seems, are Iraqi refugees.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,484047,00.html


FROM IDEALIST TO REFUGEE

"If Death Comes, So Be It"

Firas wanted nothing more than to work for the Americans when they arrived in Iraq. But his job soon became life threatening. The problem was that his employers didn't seem to care.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,484031,00.html


IRAQ'S LOST DAUGHTERS

Desperate Refugees Turn to *** Trade in Syria

As a group, prostitutes represent one of the most visible symptoms of an Iraqi refugee crisis that has exploded in Syria in recent months.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,485603,00.html


EXODUS TO SYRIA

Iraqis Find Peace Across the Border

The horrors of everyday life in Iraq are prompting hundreds of Iraqis to escape to Syria and Jordan. There, Shiites and Sunnis live together in peace. But authorities worry that may change.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,471706,00.html

Durandal
06-04-2007, 09:08 PM
Yeah it's quite boring when people avoid the serious issues.

True...


What exactly was the flame bait part in my comment ? I simply wrote the truth.

To be honest, I think its a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing...

We, the U.S. has wrecked Iraq, either through direct action or because of inability to, control the chaos we KNOW we would release and a lot of people want to make us pay. Why even give them a chance, if we are truly in a "war" on "terror" in getting to America.

We are also trying to promote freedom, democracy, and transparency as well as claiming to bringing it to specific nations but at the same time not allowing them to experience what we think is American freedom, democracy, and or transparency...

...then again, maybe we are.

annihilation
06-05-2007, 03:36 PM
There is a yahoo article (which i have to fine later) that says 4.2 million iraqis have been displaced. So our actions in Iraq have done wonders.

CPLHUNTER
06-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Providing refuge to Iraqis is a perfectly good idea and makes sense to me.
Of course there is always the threat that those we let in will attack us.

It is important that those refugees are properly vetted, however it's not completely possible to fully investigate those entering the country