Saving Private Ryan

[bearfirefighter]

Does anyone speak German, and know what the SS soldier was saying to Melish before he got ventilated? Thanks For the Help.

Bear

[wreck]

Does anyone speak German, and know what the SS soldier was saying to Melish before he got ventilated? Thanks For the Help.

Bear

es ist gleich vorbei. (or something like that, german speakers are gonna have fun)

"it'll be over soon"

[Cheky]

As the German soldier stabs Mellish to death, he says: "Gib' auf, du hast keine Chance! Lass' es uns beenden! Es ist einfacher für dich, viel einfacher. Du wirst sehen, es ist gleich vorbei." This translates: "Give up, you don't stand a chance! Let's end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You'll see it will be over quickly." The words are spoken in accent free German.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120815/trivia

[SturmPionier]

es ist gleich vorbei. (or something like that, german speakers are gonna have fun)

"it'll be over soon"


yip he said : "es ist gleich vorbei"

[MetroN]

I remember that part very well. I jumped up of the chair and yelled to the guy sitting in the stairs, to get the fvck up and help his buddy.

[Xaito]

great scene

As the German soldier stabs Mellish to death, he says: "Gib' auf, du hast keine Chance! Lass' es uns beenden! Es ist einfacher für dich, viel einfacher. Du wirst sehen, es ist gleich vorbei." This translates: "Give up, you don't stand a chance! Let's end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You'll see it will be over quickly." The words are spoken in accent free German.
thats right.

[el borracho]

Regarding the same scene, I've gotten in several arguments with people who think the German that stabbed Melish was the same guy they let go from the MG nest (the scene where the medic died), and the same one seen minutes later firing on the retreating Americans. Imo, they are clearly not the same people, as the guy who fought with Melish was wearing an SS uniform, the other guy was regular Wehrmacht. Also, the Wehrmacht guy was very thin and gangly looking, while the SS soldier was more robust. I've pointed this out, and some people still insist it's the same person. I'm right, aren't I?

[muttbutt]

Regarding the same scene, I've gotten in several arguments with people who think the German that stabbed Melish was the same guy they let go from the MG nest (the scene where the medic died), and the same one seen minutes later firing on the retreating Americans. Imo, they are clearly not the same people, as the guy who fought with Melish was wearing an SS uniform, the other guy was regular Wehrmacht. Also, the Wehrmacht guy was very thin and gangly looking, while the SS soldier was more robust. I've pointed this out, and some people still insist it's the same person. I'm right, aren't I?
He was the same guy, thats why he recognised the geek and let him go on the stairs after killing Melish.

[MetroN]

Regarding the same scene, I've gotten in several arguments with people who think the German that stabbed Melish was the same guy they let go from the MG nest (the scene where the medic died), and the same one seen minutes later firing on the retreating Americans. Imo, they are clearly not the same people, as the guy who fought with Melish was wearing an SS uniform, the other guy was regular Wehrmacht. Also, the Wehrmacht guy was very thin and gangly looking, while the SS soldier was more robust. I've pointed this out, and some people still insist it's the same person. I'm right, aren't I?

I belive that the German is the same the Rangers met at the MG-nest. If your observations are correct, then the film crew have done a detail-mistake.

[Xaito]

no it wasn't the same guy - the guy who killed Melish was an unknown SS dude who saw that the guy on the stairs crapped his pants and let him live - Steamboat Willy was Wehrmacht and some say he was the one who shot Miller.

Ive seen a webpage once that proved it - didn't find it now - if you google you might find it.

[ronnieraygun]

Regarding the same scene, I've gotten in several arguments with people who think the German that stabbed Melish was the same guy they let go from the MG nest (the scene where the medic died), and the same one seen minutes later firing on the retreating Americans. Imo, they are clearly not the same people, as the guy who fought with Melish was wearing an SS uniform, the other guy was regular Wehrmacht. Also, the Wehrmacht guy was very thin and gangly looking, while the SS soldier was more robust. I've pointed this out, and some people still insist it's the same person. I'm right, aren't I?

You are not right. At the end, the same guy says "Ich kenne diesen Mann..." (I know this man), referring to the interpreter who wanted to let him go when they captured him originally. The interpreter finally gets a pair and says something like "Halt die Scnase" or "Halt die Klappe" (Shut up) and promptly shoots him.

[muttbutt]

no it wasn't the same guy - the guy who killed Melish was an unknown SS dude who saw that the guy on the stairs crapped his pants and let him live - Steamboat Willy was Wehrmacht and some say he was the one who shot Miller.

Ive seen a webpage once that proved it - didn't find it now - if you google you might find it.
no, thats why at the end when he was trying to get Upham to let them go, he let the other Germans go and shot the guy who killed Melish because he was responsible for getting him off(that sounds weird) at the MG.

[muttbutt]

You are not right. At the end, the same guy says "Ich kenne diesen Mann..." (I know this man), referring to the interpreter who wanted to let him go when they captured him originally. The interpreter finally gets a pair and says something like "Halt die Scnase" or "Halt die Klappe" (Shut up) and promptly shoots him.
exactly.......

[nagant_m44]

steamboat willie is NOT the same guy that kills mellish
http://www.sproe.com/s/steamboat-comparison.html

[Mastermind]

Regardless, the whole ending really pissed me off. I was so friggin mad at the little weasle I wanted to scream. I had a few guys like that in my outfit and we got rid of them pretty quick. letting your buddies down like that is not tolerated for long. All those good men dead...for a crappy mission like that. The only saving grace is that they kicked some ass before they went down. And, after all, that's what soldiers get paid for.

Still, the movie plot sucked...but I thought the combat scenes were pretty accurate...although a bit far fetched in many places.

[muttbutt]

steamboat willie is NOT the same guy that kills mellish
http://www.sproe.com/s/steamboat-comparison.html
well I'll be...they looked damn similar in the movie,...fair enough I was wrong.:)

[Elmo]

Regardless, the whole ending really pissed me off. I was so friggin mad at the little weasle I wanted to scream. I had a few guys like that in my outfit and we got rid of them pretty quick. letting your buddies down like that is not tolerated for long. All those good men dead...for a crappy mission like that. The only saving grace is that they kicked some ass before they went down. And, after all, that's what soldiers get paid for.

Still, the movie plot sucked...but I thought the combat scenes were pretty accurate...although a bit far fetched in many places.

IMHO that "weasle" was the best character in the movie. Intelligent, educated, humane typewriter/clerk/translator REMF who finds himself in a crappy place and can't just handle it like "real men" are supposed to.

[Xaito]

Regardless, the whole ending really pissed me off. I was so friggin mad at the little weasle I wanted to scream. I had a few guys like that in my outfit and we got rid of them pretty quick. letting your buddies down like that is not tolerated for long. All those good men dead...for a crappy mission like that. The only saving grace is that they kicked some ass before they went down. And, after all, that's what soldiers get paid for.

Still, the movie plot sucked...but I thought the combat scenes were pretty accurate...although a bit far fetched in many places.
imo thats exactly why the film was great - its not the standard Delta Force movie where they kill a dictator and his whole army and survive a nuclear detonation unharmed ;)
I loved how most characters who you really liked died at the end - of course you always want a happy end but this ending was appropriate for a war movie I think.

[Mastermind]

IMHO that "weasle" was the best character in the movie. Intelligent, educated, humane typewriter/clerk/translator REMF who finds himself in a crappy place and can't just handle it like "real men" are supposed to.
No...not "real men"..what ever that is supposed to mean...but like real "Soldiers"! It's funny how the cowards of the day always seem to be "understood"...I guess it's all that "Metero-sexusalism" that's been going about.

[Elmo]

No...not "real men"..what ever that is supposed to mean...but like real "Soldiers"! It's funny how the cowards of the day always seem to be "understood"...I guess it's all that "Metero-sexusalism" that's been going about.

Ok, but Upham was no Ranger, just a skinny non-military type who only had basic training, I believe. It's obvious that during basic training his superiors saw it fit to assign him to a desk job.

Besides, "cowards" are interesting, as you'll never know when you find yourself acting like one...and recognize it is a good sport should.

[California Joe]

The most realistic character in the whole movie is Ed Burns character when he's talking about before he left for the war and the lady with giant **** in the dress shop showed them to him.

PS. One time I saw a ****o called "Shaving Ryans Privates". Just sayin'....

[Mastermind]

Well, what ever...it takes all kinds to make a war. In combat, men fight not for love of country, flag or casue...they might enlist for all that crapola...but, in combat, they fight for each other. Few thoughts of any "patriotism or glory" ever wafted through a shelled man's mind.....but, Upham had been with these soldiers long enough to know them, to understand them to respect them...to see their examples of bravery and spirit. None of them wanted to be there...every one of them was scared. But, they did their jobs. And, some died while little boy Upham watched or cringed in cowardice....they ran out of ammo...while he worried over is skin. There's a good reason the DI's are tough on the boys in basic....to make men of them and weed out the boys who fail to turn into men. I guess some DI failed with Upham. In my outfit, when we found "Uphams"...we got them out pretty fast. The Army needed boys to be potato peelers. I didn't want any damn "potato peeler" watching my flank.

[California Joe]

MM you are of course right. Nobody wants Upham in their foxhole but I guarantee you there were and are a few of them out there.

[mas-36]

I never did like the end battle anyway, too much setting up for the final climax. WW 2 meets the A-Team is what I kept thinking.

[el borracho]

Sounds like we got it figured out. Steamboat Willie was at the MG nest earlier in the film and killed by Upham at the end. The SS guy that killed Mellish was someone totally different. I knew I had it right. Thanks guys.

[el borracho]

MM you are of course right. Nobody wants Upham in their foxhole but I guarantee you there were and are a few of them out there.


Unfortunately true. The worst are the one's who are Uphams at heart, but parade around like they're Medal of Honor recipients, only cause the guys they were with didn't make it out or conveniently aren't around to dispel any of their bs.

[ronnieraygun]

Sounds like we got it figured out. Steamboat Willie was at the MG nest earlier in the film and killed by Upham at the end. The SS guy that killed Mellish was someone totally different. I knew I had it right. Thanks guys.


Roger that. It's a brutal scene.

[Seraphim]

Half of you lot have poor observational skills.

To end this ****ing thread. IT IS NOT THE SAME FVCKING GUY!

[tsuri]

Well, what ever...it takes all kinds to make a war. In combat, men fight not for love of country, flag or casue...they might enlist for all that crapola...but, in combat, they fight for each other. Few thoughts of any "patriotism or glory" ever wafted through a shelled man's mind.....but, Upham had been with these soldiers long enough to know them, to understand them to respect them...to see their examples of bravery and spirit. None of them wanted to be there...every one of them was scared. But, they did their jobs. And, some died while little boy Upham watched or cringed in cowardice....they ran out of ammo...while he worried over is skin. There's a good reason the DI's are tough on the boys in basic....to make men of them and weed out the boys who fail to turn into men. I guess some DI failed with Upham. In my outfit, when we found "Uphams"...we got them out pretty fast. The Army needed boys to be potato peelers. I didn't want any damn "potato peeler" watching my flank.

It appears that your military socialisation was so thorough that you do not even recognize a human anymore when you see one.

Upham was the most realistic character because he was human. Humans have fear and they might eventually be able to overcome it.
Upham had, as every healthy human, a natural resistance to kill. It would have been totally unrealistic if he had been able to kill as quickly and as easily as the battle hardened veterans that Miller's Men obviously were.

If soldiers are only portrayed as the military would want them, you would end up only with B-Class Dolph Lundgren Movies, because all you´d see would be Soldiers who kill large amounts of people without any remorse while chanting patriotic feel good phrases. That is not what good Drama is made of.

People don´t just turn to killing machines. It is not what they are made for and those who have fought in a war, are usually scarred emotionally for life.

[Mastermind]

Gee...now I'm all sensitized to the whims and wistful lovelyness of being human. I bet that kind of thinking helped our ancestors as the Cave Bears came charging in. There are times to smell flowers and dream of rainbow flavored snow cones and there are times to pick up a knife and go do what you have to do regardless of the personal risk. If that makes me a troglodite...then I'm proud to wear the badge.

[the39steps]

Interesting point by Tsuri there, saying that if soldiers in the movies were portrayed as the military wanted them, then the film would be B-grade Dolph Lundgren. For me, it depends on the director and the story. The best "military" film for me of modern times has to be Black Hawk Down. Which showed as authentically as possible an actual event.
Saving Private Ryan wasn't a true story, but certain scenes in it were. And the story is more character driven then Black Hawk Down. Ryans drama comes from the combat sequences and the different characters reacting against each other and the situations that occur around them. Which means we have to have the unsure and fearful Upham to counter the other characters.
And at the end of the film as he shoots the SS soldier he shows us and himself that this unsure aspect of his character is now gone.
That added to the sight of the "cavalry" arriving to save the Rangers just reminded me of the old western movies. Cliched and syrupy.
Black Hawk Down was just event driven, with the assault and then the rescue of the helicopter crews. We were still able to tell the characters apart, but all of them behaved professionally without the need of an Upham character to provide conflict. The only conflict came from Delta being more aggressive than the 10th Mountain.
I would like to hear Masterminds opinion on both films. As he seems to have actually been in the military and not just an Armchair General like myself.

[deagle]

no it wasn't the same guy - the guy who killed Melish was an unknown SS dude who saw that the guy on the stairs crapped his pants and let him live - Steamboat Willy was Wehrmacht and some say he was the one who shot Miller.

Ive seen a webpage once that proved it - didn't find it now - if you google you might find it.

i've noticed the difference also. only explanatino i can think of is if the characters was suppposed to be that same soldier, but the actor put on incorrect clothes, or they just used another actor (with different uni on).

[James]

Half of you lot have poor observational skills.

To end this ****ing thread. IT IS NOT THE SAME FVCKING GUY!

What he said.