Russian Border Guards

[Srachka to Perdachka]

PLEASE NO FLAME WARS. Im sure Finnish and Greek and Sweedish and Chekzhoslovakian and African border guards are all spiffy and ****.

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Russian Border-Guards Have Seized About 78 Kilograms of Heroin on the Tajik-Afghan Border
Russian border-guards have seized about 78 kilograms of heroin on the Tajik-Afghan border on Monday morning. The incident took place in the border section of the Moscow border detachment. Border-guards spotted a group of four or five people crossing the river Pyandzh and tried to detain them. One of the drug couriers was detained

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RUSSIAN BORDER GUARD OBSERVES THE BORDER LINE AT KUPLETIN OUTPOST
Original caption: A Russian border guard observes the Tajik-Afghan border at the Kupletin outpost, October 16, 2001. Tajikistan is anxious to prevent Afghan refugees crossing the border, fearing infiltration by Muslim extremists into the former Soviet republic which is still recovering from a 1992-97 civil war fueled by an Islamic fundamentalist uprising.

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RUSSIAN BORDER GUARDS PATROL THE TAJIK-AFGHAN BORDER 400 KMS FROM DUSHANBE
Original caption: Russian border guards patrol the Tajik-Afghan border 400 kms from Dushanbe, October 1, 2001. The Taliban's defence minister urged the movement's soldiers to fight hard against any attacks the United States may launch in pursuit of fugitive Osama bin Laden.

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MASKED RUSSIAN SOLDIERS STAND GUARD ON TAJIK-AFGHAN BORDER
Original caption: Masked Russian soldiers stand guard near the settlement of Moskovsky on the Tajik-Afghan border, south of Dushanbe, September 19, 2001. As thousands of Afghan refugees fearing U.S. airstrikes pour towards Pakistan, Russian guards defending Afghanistan's border with Tajikistan fear an influx of drugs rather than people

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RUSSIAN BORDER GUARD OBSERVES THE AFGHAN TERRITORY OVER THE PYANDZH RIVER
Original caption: A Russian border guard observes the Afghan territory over the Pyandzh River, controlled by the Afghanistan's Taliban rulers as the guard patrols the Tajik-Afghan border 400 kms from Dushanbe, October 1, 2001. The Taliban's defence minister urged the movement's soldiers to fight hard against any attacks the United States may launch in pursuit of fugitive Osama bin Laden.

[Dmitri]

Cool pics. Hey, doesn't the Border Guard spetsnaz detachments wear green berets? I wonder if pic #4 is them....

[Srachka to Perdachka]

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos4/winterca.jpg
http://images.usatoday.com/news/gallery/terr1004/tajiks.jpg

[n_shanygin]

GP !

[UoUo]

Hi

I have few que to the russian people here...how good the border guard in Russia? they have SF also?

I am asking that cuz my guide in the gym was a member in the border Guard and also a member in the KGB later...and he is a badass. p-)

[Marmot1]

Nice... interesting is that recoilless gun... it is 73mm yes?

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0092513.jpg?size=67&uid={1d664578-d8d8-49a3-b44c-566b162e22da}


BTW someone should realy work on standarization... sice logistic support must have nightmare... 2 kinds of vests 3 kinds of cammo It must be very dificult to recognize who is friendly and who is foe... especially on border where smuglers use cammo and AK's too.
http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0092514.jpg?size=67&uid={5bc4d878-7afb-4a7d-9dca-51aaf53451d4}

P.S. But I see dogs are standarized p-)

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos4/winterca.jpg

[Srachka to Perdachka]

GARRRR!!! Who in the great barrier reef of ****ness cares if they have standard cammo. They wear what the **** they want. If they now who they are then that all that matters.
Im sure the least of their concerns is worrieng if a polish guy or finn can tell the diff between russian cammo and parts of the army.

[mack pl]

PS. But I see dogs are standarized p-)
Yes, and this dog know exactly who is enemy ;) BTW about standarisation-well if you look at polish soldiers in iraq its not standarisation too(some have black polar, some desert bdu, some have Mopat vest, some different types etc.).Regards.

[csqnsas]

Marmot1,

Who cares abot the camo - they all use the same weapon system.

[khukuri]

Maybe for border guards it doesnt matter

But for a fight it would be confusing, battle is confusion, think of two groups attacking from to different places.


This is not a flame against russians nor an atempt to ruin the thread, its a very good and intersting post. But i dont get way the russians are doing like that.

actually, not using the same cammo is also bad cuz you see the contrasts better and can figure out faster where poeple are.

but im not stubborn, if anybody can explain to me the point of having different cammos in the same platton so...


anyway

continiu on the thread

the guards look very armed, what cind of threats tpo they get, does it sometimes happen real fights with "enbemy" larger groups.

Ii think I saw one soilder with an anti-tank rocket, is the any armoured threat?

[James]

So Russian border guards work in Tajikstan? Isn't Tajikstan independent now? Don't they have their own border guards? Just curious - no flames.

Please advise.

[mustamato]

Marmot1,

Who cares abot the camo - they all use the same weapon system.

Well check the pictures again.

[Dennis G]

Great photos, now are the border guards like U.S. customs/Border Patrol or are they a little more military based?

[RomanS]

Marmot1,

Who cares abot the camo - they all use the same weapon system.

Well check the pictures again.

masturbato
check photos again? look fag, everyone has Kalashnikov's system on them.

From AK-74 to Pecheneg.

dumbass

[mack pl]

Marmot1,

Who cares abot the camo - they all use the same weapon system.

Well check the pictures again.

masturbato
check photos again? look fag, everyone has Kalashnikov's system on them.

From AK-74 to Pecheneg.

dumbassYou really like eachother :|

[khukuri]

And theres cind of like 99.9% chance that the supposed target, enemy or whatever use the exact same weapon system as they do.

[Marmot1]

PS. But I see dogs are standarized p-)
Yes, and this dog know exactly who is enemy ;) BTW about standarisation-well if you look at polish soldiers in iraq its not standarisation too(some have black polar, some desert bdu, some have Mopat vest, some different types etc.).Regards.

Mack, black polar is standard issue just some of them wear it some don't at the time, all of them wear desert BDU (some of them new darker one but pattern and shape is still the same) As for the vest I can agree there is less standarization (well there are actually 2 types) But ppl in one platoon or team have similar cammo not 3 diferent types... It really might be confusing when you have a firefight with someone,especially at night and there are runing around guys in several different cammo paterns all with AK's I'm not trying to start a flame war, it's just opinion

[RomanS]

PLEASE NO FLAME WARS

YEAH RIGHT LOOOL
rofl

[mack pl]

PS. But I see dogs are standarized p-)
Yes, and this dog know exactly who is enemy ;) BTW about standarisation-well if you look at polish soldiers in iraq its not standarisation too(some have black polar, some desert bdu, some have Mopat vest, some different types etc.).Regards.

Mack, black polar is standard issue just some of them wear it some don't at the time, all of them wear desert BDU (some of them new darker one but pattern and shape is still the same) As for the vest I can agree there is less standarization (well there are actually 2 types) But ppl in one platoon or team have similar cammo not 3 diferent types... It really might be confusing when you have a firefight with someone,especially at night and there are runing around guys in several different cammo paterns all with AK's I'm not trying to start a flame war, it's just opinionI know that mate ;) But you should remember-Wygląd to nie wszystko ;)

[perdurabo]

Nice... interesting is that recoilless gun... it is 73mm yes?

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0092513.jpg?size=67&uid={1d664578-d8d8-49a3-b44c-566b162e22da}


SPG-9 maybe?

[Marmot1]

PS. But I see dogs are standarized p-)
Yes, and this dog know exactly who is enemy ;) BTW about standarisation-well if you look at polish soldiers in iraq its not standarisation too(some have black polar, some desert bdu, some have Mopat vest, some different types etc.).Regards.

Mack, black polar is standard issue just some of them wear it some don't at the time, all of them wear desert BDU (some of them new darker one but pattern and shape is still the same) As for the vest I can agree there is less standarization (well there are actually 2 types) But ppl in one platoon or team have similar cammo not 3 diferent types... It really might be confusing when you have a firefight with someone,especially at night and there are runing around guys in several different cammo paterns all with AK's I'm not trying to start a flame war, it's just opinionI know that mate ;) But you should remember-Wygląd to nie wszystko ;)

Of course but security is everything...

[mack pl]

PS. But I see dogs are standarized p-)
Yes, and this dog know exactly who is enemy ;) BTW about standarisation-well if you look at polish soldiers in iraq its not standarisation too(some have black polar, some desert bdu, some have Mopat vest, some different types etc.).Regards.

Mack, black polar is standard issue just some of them wear it some don't at the time, all of them wear desert BDU (some of them new darker one but pattern and shape is still the same) As for the vest I can agree there is less standarization (well there are actually 2 types) But ppl in one platoon or team have similar cammo not 3 diferent types... It really might be confusing when you have a firefight with someone,especially at night and there are runing around guys in several different cammo paterns all with AK's I'm not trying to start a flame war, it's just opinionI know that mate ;) But you should remember-Wygląd to nie wszystko ;)

Of course but security is everything...Agree ;)

[koster]

201-я МСД ?

[Falco]

Cool pics woot

[16 OBr SpN]

So Russian border guards work in Tajikstan? Isn't Tajikstan independent now? Don't they have their own border guards? Just curious - no flames.

Please advise.

Tadjikistan is independent, but due to several factors, their government had asked us to leave the 201st Mot. Inf. Div. on the border with Afghanistan.
This division is extremely well prepared, and all soldiers serve there on a contract base.

1) The President of Tadjikistan has some serious opposition from the radical islamists and their leader Hodjah Abdullah Nuri. Although they had created a coalition government after a civil war, but stll, the President's "insurance" is the 201st Div.

2) During the Taliban rule, it was the only force capable of stopping Taliban expansion towards Tadjikistan.

3) Drug traffic (especially heroin) is very serious there, and 99% of those drugs go to Russia, which makes it a matter of our national security. Therefore 201st Div. is also there in order to neutralize the traffic.

Once we saw a video footage of Taliban mullahs preparing another shipment of heroin. They gathered around a large pile of bags, covered them, and started praying. The bags had "999" sign, and a surah from Quran written around it!
One of them started saying stuff like "Let the infidels poison themselves. God willing, the justice will be served upon them". Man, to me it seemed like a gathering of focking witches!
Do you know that they added crushed human bones into heroin? One of the Taliban who was captured on the border, told us they believed it made it much more addictive! Sick fockers! :(

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Marmot1]

So Russian border guards work in Tajikstan? Isn't Tajikstan independent now? Don't they have their own border guards? Just curious - no flames.

Please advise.

Tadjikistan is independent, but due to several factors, their government had asked us to leave the 201st Mot. Inf. Div. on the border with Afghanistan.
This division is extremely well prepared, and all soldiers serve there on a contract base.

1) The President of Tadjikistan has some serious opposition from the radical islamists and their leader Hodjah Abdullah Nuri. Although they had created a coalition government after a civil war, but stll, the President's "insurance" is the 201st Div.

2) During the Taliban rule, it was the only force capable of stopping Taliban expansion towards Tadjikistan.

3) Drug traffic (especially heroin) is very serious there, and 99% of those drugs go to Russia, which makes it a matter of our national security. Therefore 201st Div. is also there in order to neutralize the traffic.

Once we saw a video footage of Taliban mullahs preparing another shipment of heroin. They gathered around a large pile of bags, covered them, and started praying. The bags had "999" sign, and a surah from Quran written around it!
One of them started saying stuff like "Let the infidels poison themselves. God willing, the justice will be served upon them". Man, to me it seemed like a gathering of focking witches!
Do you know that they added crushed human bones into heroin? One of the Taliban who was captured on the border, told us they believed it made it much more addictive! Sick fockers! :(

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

Good reason to don't take this ****...

[Nikolas]

http://www.vremea.net/images/2003-09-05/12-35-24.image.jpg

http://www.vremea.net/images/2003-08-01/12-19-58.image.jpg

http://www.mountains.dgu.ru/gai-komd/4-1.jpg

[hank]

Great pics and thanks for the info 16 OBr SpN. He asked for no flaming, can't we just do it this once?

hank

[GazB]

Amusing that some here think that everyone will play fair in war and wear only their properly assigned uniforms... good guys in Blue and bad guys in Red I guess.

Wonder if that effects your ability to fight in a real war where your enemy might not obey such conventions and perhaps even abuse them by wearing your uniforms...

Wonderful pics BTW.

The recoilless weapons are just a cheap way of sending a HE charge about 1km with reasonable accuracy. It looks to me like SPG-9 RCL Rifles which would make them 82mm. Although its ammo looks very much like the 73mm ammo of the BMP-1s gun and like an RPG round it is actually different and not compatible... nor should it be.

They were widely used in the Anti tank role but have been replaced with guided missiles which are more accurate and more powerful. They are often used in mountains for long range defence of bases. Civilians even use recoilless rifles to bring down snow from mountain peaks in manmade avalanches to prevent natural avalanches when skiiers or hikers are passing through.

[James]

So Russian border guards work in Tajikstan? Isn't Tajikstan independent now? Don't they have their own border guards? Just curious - no flames.

Please advise.

Tadjikistan is independent, but due to several factors, their government had asked us to leave the 201st Mot. Inf. Div. on the border with Afghanistan.
This division is extremely well prepared, and all soldiers serve there on a contract base.

1) The President of Tadjikistan has some serious opposition from the radical islamists and their leader Hodjah Abdullah Nuri. Although they had created a coalition government after a civil war, but stll, the President's "insurance" is the 201st Div.

2) During the Taliban rule, it was the only force capable of stopping Taliban expansion towards Tadjikistan.

3) Drug traffic (especially heroin) is very serious there, and 99% of those drugs go to Russia, which makes it a matter of our national security. Therefore 201st Div. is also there in order to neutralize the traffic.

Once we saw a video footage of Taliban mullahs preparing another shipment of heroin. They gathered around a large pile of bags, covered them, and started praying. The bags had "999" sign, and a surah from Quran written around it!
One of them started saying stuff like "Let the infidels poison themselves. God willing, the justice will be served upon them". Man, to me it seemed like a gathering of focking witches!
Do you know that they added crushed human bones into heroin? One of the Taliban who was captured on the border, told us they believed it made it much more addictive! Sick fockers! :(

Regards,
16 OBr SpN


Спасибо болшои.

[ikurinturbiini]

GARRRR!!! Who in the great barrier reef of f*** cares if they have standard cammo. They wear what the f*** they want. If they now who they are then that all that matters.
Im sure the least of their concerns is worrieng if a polish guy or finn can tell the diff between russian cammo and parts of the army.

Hum de dum... Your original "no flames"-request and your reply above prompted this post. Besides, you mentioned Finns twice already, so here goes... (Hey, you stupid member of the forum, yes you, stop typing now and read the post before you go all gomosek on me...)

A member of the military, Police or any other such entity must be easily recognized as such, that's one of the basic rules of warfare and society at large. Do you know what the word uniform means?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are hard core and up to their task, clothes don't make the man. As a matter of fact I don't give a flying **** what Russian border guards wear in Central Asia. Partisan Chic is OK, if it works.

BUT: The Finnish Border Guard have two groups of people to worry about outside main border crossing stations. No, not nuclear smugglers or Jameskij Bondskij trying to enter the country illegally (he can take a plane to Helsinki no problem). One problem are Finnish elderly people picking berries and mushrooms; they sometimes stray too far into border zone. But the other group is, or at least until recently was, Russian conscripts deserting from their units and trying to get to Finland to seek asylum. Their motives vary, but most cases are about abuse and terrible conditions under which they have to serve. These people never get far into Finnish territory, as they seldom even try to hide from Finnish authorities. Naturally, the poor bastards are sent back.

If I were in the Border Guard, I would get very worried if I saw a couple of ragtags sneaking into our territory with AKs. A colleague conducting official business, easily recognizable from his uniform, gear and such, is a whole different matter.

If you represent the military might of a sovereign country, you shoud look the part. It's not an image thing, it's about recognition. Funny that you should mention Finnish and Polish Border Guards. Add Estonian, Latvian and Lihuanian to the list. The nature of all those borders has changed since last month. There is very much cause to professionalism on either side, now more than ever before.

Just my 0,02 Ruble. Good pictures, thank you.

[Javehn]

Спасибо болшои.

Дядя , вы что , грузин что ли ? Адин адин , вай какой балшой ос !


Hehe , try to run this on translator .

[The Clip]

As next year, Border guards will all be trained in special forces defence method. My friend in law enforcement, said he is going to try it out. Sounds good!

[perdurabo]

http://www.mountains.dgu.ru/gai-komd/4-1.jpg
OMG! so beautifull mountines! i must go there!
to russian mates how much 1-3week trip to kavkaz(or that are other mountines?) would cost? (food transportation hotels/sleeping places etc??)

[Undo]

GARRRR!!! Who in the great barrier reef of f*** cares if they have standard cammo. They wear what the f*** they want. If they now who they are then that all that matters.
Im sure the least of their concerns is worrieng if a polish guy or finn can tell the diff between russian cammo and parts of the army.

Hum de dum... Your original "no flames"-request and your reply above prompted this post. Besides, you mentioned Finns twice already, so here goes... (Hey, you stupid member of the forum, yes you, stop typing now and read the post before you go all gomosek on me...)

A member of the military, Police or any other such entity must be easily recognized as such, that's one of the basic rules of warfare and society at large. Do you know what the word uniform means?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are hard core and up to their task, clothes don't make the man. As a matter of fact I don't give a flying f*** what Russian border guards wear in Central Asia. Partisan Chic is OK, if it works.

BUT: The Finnish Border Guard have two groups of people to worry about outside main border crossing stations. No, not nuclear smugglers or Jameskij Bondskij trying to enter the country illegally (he can take a plane to Helsinki no problem). One problem are Finnish elderly people picking berries and mushrooms; they sometimes stray too far into border zone. But the other group is, or at least until recently was, Russian conscripts deserting from their units and trying to get to Finland to seek asylum. Their motives vary, but most cases are about abuse and terrible conditions under which they have to serve. These people never get far into Finnish territory, as they seldom even try to hide from Finnish authorities. Naturally, the poor bastards are sent back.

If I were in the Border Guard, I would get very worried if I saw a couple of ragtags sneaking into our territory with AKs. A colleague conducting official business, easily recognizable from his uniform, gear and such, is a whole different matter.

If you represent the military might of a sovereign country, you shoud look the part. It's not an image thing, it's about recognition. Funny that you should mention Finnish and Polish Border Guards. Add Estonian, Latvian and Lihuanian to the list. The nature of all those borders has changed since last month. There is very much cause to professionalism on either side, now more than ever before.

Just my 0,02 Ruble. Good pictures, thank you.


Well thought out and articulated. Thanks.

There are several realities that have a direct impact on the state of Russian army/police uniforms. The major ones are pretty apparent, but I will state them just for the record. Firstly, the state of Russia’s post Soviet economy. Things are improving quickly, but it is still a factor that directly affects defense budgets and all that entails. Secondly, as with any military, you get what you get (see photos of any troops from any country, and you will see some mismatched gear now and then). This is compounded by the fact that the post-soviet military has gone through some serious upheaval and several different camouflage patterns, as well as some US Marine vs. US Army type inter-service rivalries. The upshot is that the Russian supply system has numerous types of uniform patterns in its inventory which are still serviceable and with which they are required to equip the Russian conscript army. Thirdly, and this is subjective, but not many Russian servicemen seem to care. I believe this is partly because they are doing conscript service and the color of the uniform doesn’t make the period of conscription any shorter. I Also believe this is because in the last two decades Russia has been involved in some small scale but incredibly vicious fighting with several of their former satellite states and the soldiers involved are concerned with things other than uniformity.

Now the good news. As Russia’s economy improves they are moving from a conscript army to a professional one. The VDV (airborne) are already shifting to voluntary enlistment with similar entitlements and incentives to their US counterparts. This will almost certainly lead to more uniformity ( ;) ) in uniforms and gear, so within a decade or two it will probably be a non-issue. What should be of more concern is that conscript armies are suited for defense, whereas professional armies tend to be geared more toward power projection. A Russia with a healthy economy and a professional military will be better equipped to participate more fully in the current state of world affairs. There is a lot that has to happen for this to occur, however, and who knows what the future holds.

Sorry for the long post.

[oldsoak]

Good pictures - and good luck to them, may they nick more drug smugglers and stick them behind bars.

[Rtq]

No offense, but those russian soldiers and border guards look more like bunch of robbers than soldiers. :/

No flames. But i assume, that everybody has their rights for own opinion.




by the way: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has their own. :lol:

[StukaJr]

No offense, but those russian soldiers and border guards look more like bunch of robbers than soldiers. :/

No flames. But i assume, that everybody has their rights for own opinion.

by the way: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has their own. :lol:



Yeah - and your asshole would get by my boot up there if you could walk the walk and not just attempt to start flame wars on internet forums... Yeah, yeah - sure, whatever - your opinion matters, lots! Such educated and enlighting post and the "I flame - don't flame me" bit never gets old... Does your mom let you out on the internet all by yourself?

[mack pl]

Ohhh, another flame war :( Srachka will not post anything again if you start this **** :(

[LJK]

Haha, vitun ryssät itkee taas täällä. rofl

[Sorbas2000]

GARRRR!!! Who in the great barrier reef of f*** cares if they have standard cammo. They wear what the f*** they want. If they now who they are then that all that matters.
Im sure the least of their concerns is worrieng if a polish guy or finn can tell the diff between russian cammo and parts of the army.

So that means, russian army or border guys can choose between: Today I choose my Levis camo trousers, my ligh-green Diesel shirt, my Diesel multi-camo vest and my Puma desert boots!? Sasha, please don't wear those light-green Diesel shirt, I don't want to wear partner-look today! :lol:

For hundreds of year there is standardization at armies regarding uniforms, equipment etc.! Please don't tell us, russian soldiers can choose what uniforms and equipment they want to use....I guess, they have to take what is available!

[mack pl]

Haha, vitun ryssät itkee taas täällä. roflExactly dude, whatever thats mean :) BTW is that mean-I wanna go to Russia and join border guard :roll:

[Rtq]

Joo, niinhän se menee. Jokin ei miellytä, helevetillinen myllytys päälle vaan. Pitäisköhän tuolta ryssältä kysyä, että onko se varma, että sillä on saappaita? vai onko niillä edes koko maassa saappaita? vai oliko tuo sälli jopa jenkki? siinä tapauksessahan ne saa saappaita niiltä soltuilta, jotka tuodaan irakista sinkkiarkuissa. rofl

Try to run this to translator...


I´m not starting a flamewar, or at least I´m not keeping it on anymore.

[n_shanygin]

Haha, vitun ryssät itkee taas täällä. rofl

I think "vitun ryssät" means like ****ing russians in finnish.

And i dont think LJK is older than 14 either. ;)

[n_shanygin]

Joo, niinhän se menee. Jokin ei miellytä, helevetillinen myllytys päälle vaan. Pitäisköhän tuolta ryssältä kysyä, että onko se varma, että sillä on saappaita? vai onko niillä edes koko maassa saappaita? vai oliko tuo sälli jopa jenkki? siinä tapauksessahan ne saa saappaita niiltä soltuilta, jotka tuodaan irakista sinkkiarkuissa. rofl

Try to run this to translator...


I´m not starting a flamewar, or at least I´m not keeping it on anymore.

k, and this text means something like "should i ask the russian if they got boots. or was he something like american, in that case they get the boots from the soldiers they get from iraq in sinkjeans"

I asked a finnish guy to translate it

:)

[Nikolas]

No offense, but those russian soldiers and border guards look more like bunch of robbers than soldiers. :/


Try to pass these mountains by these robbers.

If it will turn out, write.
Will fail, we long shall not hear you.



So that means, russian army or border guys can choose between: Today I choose my Levis camo trousers, my ligh-green Diesel shirt, my Diesel multi-camo vest and my Puma desert boots!? Sasha, please don't wear those light-green Diesel shirt, I don't want to wear partner-look today!

You should understand.
That the uniform is stored in warehouses long time.
It passes from one soldier to anothers.

From time to time bring a new uniform
Old do not throw out, while it can be used.

Because of it in some places it is possible to see a non-standard uniform of clothes.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Noniin, järki käteen nyt peelot. :cantbeli:

Tämä on ensimmäinen threadi pitkään aikaan jossa on edes *jotain* järkevää keskustelua, ei nyt ainakaan me finskit tehdä tästäkin jotain vitun tappelua...

Tottahan se on että veli venäläinen itkee aika pienistä täällä, mutta siinähän itkee! Ei tartte meidän ;)

^^
Trying to prevent yet another ****storm.

[Nikolas]

You are glad?
Because photos of a standard uniform are lower.

Standard uniform

http://www.army.lv/photos/1582.jpg

http://www.army.lv/photos/1583.jpg

http://www.army.lv/photos/1585.jpg

http://www.army.lv/photos/1593.jpg

http://www.army.lv/photos/1606.jpg

http://www.army.lv/photos/1612.jpg

[The Clip]

****ing idiot, Border guards under enormous pressure as it is, they need provide a shield because the Russian border is Huge. I think your countries soldiers look like ****ing bread robbers. Just because they are not wearing assault vests and are relaxing does not mean they robbers. I can say the same about US when they ar on fatigues.!!! :bash: :-*$ :fork:

[Michael RVR]

I think you all need to chill the **** out. :bash:

Good pics :D Its interesting to see that they've got a Russian Army Division doing contract work - actually probably a very smart idea. The russians get to keep the army, and get paid for its services ;)


...The upshot is that the Russian supply system has numerous types of uniform patterns in its inventory which are still serviceable and with which they are required to equip the Russian conscript army. ..
Now the good news. As Russia’s economy improves they are moving from a conscript army to a professional one. The VDV (airborne) are already shifting to voluntary enlistment with similar entitlements and incentives to their US counterparts. ...

Cheers for the info, i didn't know the russians were turning into a professional army :)
I've got an uncle that was in the russian army, who said it was a very hard life. Unfortunately i didn't know enough russian to have a proper conversation with him when he was here last, But Russian gear is always something i'm interested in :)

[GazB]

The added problem is that the Russian and Soviet armed forces have to fight in quite different conditions in many different environments, from deserts to arctic conditions, so they have usually at least four camo patterns for each new type of uniform and in theory should change each season to the appropriate camo. There are also urban and rural camo designs which compound things further. When money is short you don't get a set of each type... you get what is available and you don't change each month you keep wearing it till you can get a replacement... which is not necessarily the same type as you had... matching pants and jacket is probably all they hope for.


If I were in the Border Guard, I would get very worried if I saw a couple of ragtags sneaking into our territory with AKs. A colleague conducting official business, easily recognizable from his uniform, gear and such, is a whole different matter.


Yeah right... I guess a half dozen men in the same uniform crossing your border with AKs is completely different from half a dozen men with uniforms that don't match... can you tell us how it is different?

What would you call that standard uniform? Deserter Chic?

[Jack Mehoff]

U.S. should implements that kind of protection in our border between US/Mexico.

[TacoDelRio]

Or hire people who could do it without trace to the government HINTHINTpickme!HINTHINT....

Ranch Rescue does a bit of stuff for that, but with 2,000+ illegals AND coyotes crossing every night, hah, I don't know what would help. We can't kill anyone really, so there is little motivation for the Mexicans to stay away. Not to mention the damn Mexican Army driving their vehicles over here and lighting up BP guys with their .50's. Depressing.

DB

[ikurinturbiini]

The added problem is that the Russian and Soviet armed forces have to fight in quite different conditions in many different environments, from deserts to arctic conditions, so they have usually at least four camo patterns for each new type of uniform and in theory should change each season to the appropriate camo. There are also urban and rural camo designs which compound things further. When money is short you don't get a set of each type... you get what is available and you don't change each month you keep wearing it till you can get a replacement... which is not necessarily the same type as you had... matching pants and jacket is probably all they hope for.


If I were in the Border Guard, I would get very worried if I saw a couple of ragtags sneaking into our territory with AKs. A colleague conducting official business, easily recognizable from his uniform, gear and such, is a whole different matter.


Yeah right... I guess a half dozen men in the same uniform crossing your border with AKs is completely different from half a dozen men with uniforms that don't match... can you tell us how it is different?

What would you call that standard uniform? Deserter Chic?

A word of explanation. Russian border guards do sometimes stray into our territory. In some areas and particularly in wintertime the borderline is easy to miss. In some parts (up north) there IS no border line, no barbed wire, nothing. So when armed men meet in the forest it's imperative that they are immediately recognizable as border guards. Border guards should wear different stuff than army units, I think. Regular army units have no business approaching the border zone.

I hear that border guards in Russia used to be elite, internal security or something, and not army. The fall of USSR brought changes, and at least for some time, there were conscripts in the border guard units, probably still are. Not a very good idea, if the said conscripts are getting beaten, abused, even raped by senior soldiers, as was/is the habit in Russian military. So, even border guards desert.

In military matters, I wish nothing more than a peaceful, strong Russia with an organized army, police and border guard capable of securing the stability of the state and the security of their borders. They just need to get their **** together. Putting the right people in the right places wearing the right stuff would be a good start.

Finnish Border Guard is not an Army unit, they fall under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They have their own gear, different from Army. On the other hand, some of our conscripts do get their training in Border Companies (help me out, fellow Finns, I'm not sure how it's done these days).

The logo of Finnish Border Guard:
http://www.k-sr.fi/kuvat/tiedkarhu.jpg

You know you're entering Finland when you see this:
http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2002.jpg

These are from a Finnish Border Guard's private pages: http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja.htm

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2001.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/6%20Raja%2001.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2005.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2014.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2052.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2055.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2056.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2057.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/luonto/pertti.turunen/raja_uusi2/images/8%20Raja%2049.jpg

Some lower res pics from Lapland Border Guard (they keep the bloody Swedes and Norwegians away from shagging our reindeer as well!)

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/9.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/5.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/2.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/21.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/3.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/14.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/15.jpg

http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/kuvat/11.jpg

South-East Finland Border Guard: their area of operations

http://www.k-sr.fi/kuvat/kartta.jpg

http://www.k-sr.fi/kuvat/rajavyohyke.jpg

Other stuff:

http://www.rajankoiramiehet.fi/images/jussimanu2.jpg

Not Finland, obviously...

http://www.rajankoiramiehet.fi/images/franko2.jpg

http://www.rvl.fi/rvl/home.nsf/68b4c81603b362b7c2256c9f002b497b/45a1a08e9964aa47c2256c9f003064ed/WebPageBody/0.82?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

Rubber boots all around... :) You see the terrain where they walk? Majority of the Border Zone is forest, dotted by lakes and marshes.

The Russo-Finnish border is over 1300 km long. That's a lot of area to watch.

[kinghk]

Norwegian border guards. Found the pics on a private homepage.
Pics taken in 1998.

http://home.no.net/ellefsen/gsv/gsv-dwe-mg3.jpg
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/gsv/gsv-gassbu-urkk.jpg
^Testing out the gasmask by entering a room filled with teargas. Then he takes the gasmark off and goes out.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/gsv/gsv-vaktbu-brrr.jpg

http://home.no.net/ellefsen/gsv/gsv-vann-hull.jpg
^After a swim.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/gsv/gsv-tropp3.jpg

http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-40minus.jpg
-40 degrees celcius outside. It would get colder.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-feltop127.jpg

http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-gapahukkaldt.jpg
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-grindkaldt.jpg
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-dwe50minus.jpg
After a patrol on snoscooter.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-stnsjscooter.jpg
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-nikkel.jpg
^Pipes from a factory in Russia.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-grm101-rus.jpg
Russia.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-dim-vann2.jpg
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-reodor.jpg
Maintenance.
http://home.no.net/ellefsen/sko/sko-opk-scooters.jpg

Official photos
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/overvaak3_12270a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/paagrensa_12269a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/grensepost1_12313a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/paavakt_12312a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/LKT_12309a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00011/forsidebaat_11022a.jpg

from a newspaper.

http://bt.no/multimedia/archive/00161/vinter2-inni_161910a.jpg
http://bt.no/multimedia/archive/00161/vinter-inni_161911a.jpg

[The Clip]

Michael, your little bit late. The reform has been going on since 2001. 1/3 of the army is now on contract. I knew a guy which I met at a checkpoint in Gurdemes, Chechnya. We spoke about how ****ing little my pay was and how much he got for week. For 1 month of work, a regular will get 10,200 rubles. Yes it is quite a bit for 1 man. There is more than enough body armour for 1 man but pay is **** for conscripts. :)

**** you....... what ever name is??? Saying RAPE is common in army. I was beaten a couple of times but that is it. No one will ever drem of raping another solder. **** you sick minded bastard! :-*$ :fork: rofl :bash: When in battle and you are ambushed you friend saves you by firing back at the bastards pinning you down.

[RomanS]

Michael, your little bit late. The reform has been going on since 2001. 1/3 of the army is now on contract. I knew a guy which I met at a checkpoint in Gurdemes, Chechnya. We spoke about how f*** little my pay was and how much he got for week. For 1 month of work, a regular will get 10,200 rubles. Yes it is quite a bit for 1 man. There is more than enough body armour for 1 man but pay is **** for conscripts. :)

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[Javehn]

Where is Gurdemes ?? It's near Gudermes ? :lol:

I think we have **** leakage from the toilet here . :cantbeli:

[RomanS]

Where is Gurdemes ?? It's near Gudermes ? :lol:

its at the check point

[ikurinturbiini]

f*** you....... what ever name is??? Saying RAPE is common in army. I was beaten a couple of times but that is it. No one will ever drem of raping another solder. f*** you sick minded bastard! :-*$ :fork: rofl :bash: When in battle and you are ambushed you friend saves you by firing back at the bastards pinning you down.

I guess this means me. What is it with my name that causes so many problems among forumites of certain ethnic background? Use goddamn copy and paste if you can't spell.

About rape in Russian Army - dude, it's happening. It didn't happen to you - good for you. That does not mean it doesn't happen at all. Wake up and smell the tshaj.

Soldiers' Mothers (http://perso.club-internet.fr/kozlowsk/mothers.html) speak of widespread torture, beatings and even rape, just as I said.

But surely those commie bitches are lying. Right? Geezh, so many people are lying just to give Russian military a bad name...

On a more positive note, the number of suicides in Russian armed forces is falling. Maybe some people are finally realizing that such practices are counterproductive. Surprise, surprise. :roll:

Other than that, see what I said about Russian Army:


In military matters, I wish nothing more than a peaceful, strong Russia with an organized army, police and border guard capable of securing the stability of the state and the security of their borders. They just need to get their **** together.

[RomanS]

Michael, your little bit late. The reform has been going on since 2001. 1/3 of the army is now on contract. I knew a guy which I met at a checkpoint in Gurdemes, Chechnya. We spoke about how f*** little my pay was and how much he got for week. For 1 month of work, a regular will get 10,200 rubles. Yes it is quite a bit for 1 man. There is more than enough body armour for 1 man but pay is **** for conscripts. :)


WOW

you would get $380 everymonth? I didnt know "Motornaya" Pehota switched on contract regime. Interesting. Checkpoints huh...

I am so glad our Internal Forces and MVD Units turned over their checkpoint responsibilities to "Motornaya" infantry.

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[mustamato]

But the other group is, or at least until recently was, Russian conscripts deserting from their units and trying to get to Finland to seek asylum. Their motives vary, but most cases are about abuse and terrible conditions under which they have to serve. These people never get far into Finnish territory, as they seldom even try to hide from Finnish authorities. Naturally, the poor bastards are sent back.

There was some incident not that long ago when a Russian conscript deserted,
guess he became tired of getting beated or whatever they do in their Army. However
this particular conscript had killed someone in Russia and sure as hell didn´t want
to get caught by the Finnish border guards, not sure where to he wanted, but he
had his Kalashnikov with him. He died in a gun battle with Finnish border guards.

I remember some other incident I read about in a newspaper here in Sweden,
I think it was during the First Chechen war. A Russian soldier had deserted
and somehow managed to get thru Finland undetected to Sweden. In his camouflage
uniform he entered the first police station he saw, and wanted political asylum :)

[Javehn]

Clip , how much you did got payed exactly in your 16 "motornaya diviziya " ? What okrug that division from ?

[RomanS]

Also The Clip вот у меня вопросик появился. Когда вам выплачивали боевые, как протокол назывался?

[Javehn]

Ты ему транслитор не убивай такими вопросами :lol:

[RomanS]

Ты ему транслитор не убивай такими вопросами :lol:
rofl rofl

[RomanS]

The Clip

are you going to answer my question today?

[The Clip]

Nazevalos boyevaia zarplata rossiskay federatsoya! U, matrosov net voprosov! rofl rofl rofl

[The Clip]

I was not on duty in checkpoint, Motornaya pihota has not turned contract yet but most other units have. Petroling the area with my squad, we went to the checkpoint to rest have talk. I met a contract lieutenant and we spoke about pay and family, nothing more.

[GazB]

I hear that border guards in Russia used to be elite, internal security or something, and not army.

That would have been the MVD in Soviet times.


Not a very good idea, if the said conscripts are getting beaten, abused, even raped by senior soldiers, as was/is the habit in Russian military. So, even border guards desert.


Of course that is true... we have seen it on CNN. I guess all other militaries have perfect records with no problems at all, while in every Russian unit all new recruits are the senior officers personal harem of *** slaves. Do you watch JAG to get your information on the US military? Or how about CNN?


In military matters, I wish nothing more than a peaceful, strong Russia with an organized army, police and border guard capable of securing the stability of the state and the security of their borders. They just need to get their **** together.

Yes, because everyone else in Europe has water tight borders with super border guards that never make mistakes.


Putting the right people in the right places wearing the right stuff would be a good start.

Yes, the most important thing is that their clothes match and that they are hand picked... presumably by you I guess?


Finnish Border Guard is not an Army unit, they fall under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They have their own gear, different from Army. On the other hand, some of our conscripts do get their training in Border Companies (help me out, fellow Finns, I'm not sure how it's done these days).

So doing it right is to do it the Finnish way?


About rape in Russian Army - dude, it's happening. It didn't happen to you - good for you. That does not mean it doesn't happen at all. Wake up and smell the tshaj.

Rapes occur in every country. Plenty of US soldiers have been charged with rape both at home and outside the US. That doesn't mean all US soldiers of senior officers are rapists.

You said:

Not a very good idea, if the said conscripts are getting beaten, abused, even raped by senior soldiers, as was/is the habit in Russian military. So, even border guards desert.


So the habit in the Russian military is for senior officers to beat, abuse and rape conscripts.

All the reports I have seen have been Conscripts beating up conscripts... they have a six month rotation where new conscripts and conscripts that have been in for 6 months are put together. The "old hands" take advantage of the newbies to do extra work or to just get a little revenge for the treatment they got from their "older brothers" when they were newbies. In some units the problems were cronic, while in others it didn't happen at all. The units it happened most in were the units with the greatest ethnic diversity or construction units. These were often units with conscripts from Soviet republics that have nothing to do with Russia now.

[dacanadianbomb]

A little question here, I always see these blue striped shirts under the uniforms of soldiers that I think are russian. What is up with that ?

[ikurinturbiini]

I hear that border guards in Russia used to be elite, internal security or something, and not army.

That would have been the MVD in Soviet times.


Not a very good idea, if the said conscripts are getting beaten, abused, even raped by senior soldiers, as was/is the habit in Russian military. So, even border guards desert.


Of course that is true... we have seen it on CNN. I guess all other militaries have perfect records with no problems at all, while in every Russian unit all new recruits are the senior officers personal harem of *** slaves. Do you watch JAG to get your information on the US military? Or how about CNN?


In military matters, I wish nothing more than a peaceful, strong Russia with an organized army, police and border guard capable of securing the stability of the state and the security of their borders. They just need to get their **** together.

Yes, because everyone else in Europe has water tight borders with super border guards that never make mistakes.


Putting the right people in the right places wearing the right stuff would be a good start.

Yes, the most important thing is that their clothes match and that they are hand picked... presumably by you I guess?


Finnish Border Guard is not an Army unit, they fall under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They have their own gear, different from Army. On the other hand, some of our conscripts do get their training in Border Companies (help me out, fellow Finns, I'm not sure how it's done these days).

So doing it right is to do it the Finnish way?


About rape in Russian Army - dude, it's happening. It didn't happen to you - good for you. That does not mean it doesn't happen at all. Wake up and smell the tshaj.

Rapes occur in every country. Plenty of US soldiers have been charged with rape both at home and outside the US. That doesn't mean all US soldiers of senior officers are rapists.

You said:

Not a very good idea, if the said conscripts are getting beaten, abused, even raped by senior soldiers, as was/is the habit in Russian military. So, even border guards desert.


So the habit in the Russian military is for senior officers to beat, abuse and rape conscripts.

All the reports I have seen have been Conscripts beating up conscripts... they have a six month rotation where new conscripts and conscripts that have been in for 6 months are put together. The "old hands" take advantage of the newbies to do extra work or to just get a little revenge for the treatment they got from their "older brothers" when they were newbies. In some units the problems were cronic, while in others it didn't happen at all. The units it happened most in were the units with the greatest ethnic diversity or construction units. These were often units with conscripts from Soviet republics that have nothing to do with Russia now.

Astoundingly, you managed to get my whole posting wrong, but your last paragraph reveals that actually we agree.

By senior soldiers I mean exactly what you say in your last paragraph. I said nothing about senior officers. God bless the English language.

Other than that, isn't it kinda late for nation bashing? I like and respect the Russian people, and I think they deserve much better. The Finnish way suits Finland, and I wish that the Russians could make everything right for themselves in their own way. That includes getting rid of dead weight from Soviet era, including dedovshina.

Peace. Mir.

[GazB]

Astoundingly, you managed to get my whole posting wrong, but your last paragraph reveals that actually we agree.

Well your choice of words was poor... by suggesting that dedovshina and rapes were "habits" you are basically suggesting that every single unit in the Russian armed forces does that. The reality is that it is a problem in a few units... and no doubt it is not just restricted to the armed forces... I would suspect most private schools around the world have a similar problem, not to mention doctors and dentists interfering with patients, and of course priests and Altar boys, and orphanages. Are there no fights in your schools? No bullying? I guess even your jails are empty?

[The Clip]

You talking about Telynashka, I have one which very tight on me but very warm. VDV wear them along with all other special forces.